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Earnings Call Transcript - SES Q2 2024

Operator, Moderator

Good afternoon. Thank you for joining us for SES AI's Second Quarter 2024 Business and Financial Results. My name is Cole, and I will be your moderator for today's call. Now I will hand it over to Kyle Pilkington. Please proceed.

Kyle Pilkington, Moderator

Hello, everyone, and welcome to our conference call covering our second-quarter 2024 results. Joining me today are Qichao Hu, Founder, Chairman, and Chief Executive Officer; and Jing Nealis, Chief Financial Officer. We issued our shareholder letter after market close today, which provides a business update, as well as our financial results. You'll find a press release with a link to our shareholder letter and today's conference call webcast in the Investor Relations section of our website at ses.ai. Before we get started, this is a reminder that the discussion today may contain forward-looking information or forward-looking statements within the meaning of applicable securities legislation. These statements are based on our predictions and expectations as of today. Such statements involve certain risks, assumptions, and uncertainties, which may cause our actual and future results and performance to be materially different from those expressed or implied in these statements. The risks and uncertainties that could cause our results to differ materially from our current expectations include, but are not limited to those detailed in our latest earnings release and in our SEC filings. This afternoon, we will review our business, as well as results for the quarter. With that, I'll pass it over to Qichao.

Qichao Hu, CEO

Good afternoon, and thank you for joining us on our second-quarter earnings call. I want to talk about the seismic shift across any industry by generative AI and large language models, LLM. AI represents a pivotal development of this decade. This transformative technology is set to disrupt industries from those seeking the next innovation S-curve to those grappling with shrinking margins. The fact is, today's EV battery market is completely different from that of three years ago or even just one year ago. The incumbent battery players now dominate the global market. The next-generation battery companies must deliver something completely different in light years ahead to become relevant. We cannot compete on their terms. Previously, we announced that we are entering the air mobility market, including urban air mobility, or UAM, in drones, in addition to our existing EV work. For next-gen batteries to compete with incumbent batteries, we must overcome three hurdles at commercial scale; quality, safety, and future material development. The traditional human-based approach simply takes too long. That's why the introduction of next-gen battery technologies has always been very slow. We are the world's leader in lithium metal. We were the world's first to enter automotive A-sample and B-sample joint development agreements with global automakers. We have developed very exciting capabilities in materials and manufacturing. We have strategically integrated AI into our operations, encompassing design, technology development, manufacturing, and aftermarket support. Since embarking on embedding AI into lithium metal, we have realized that the value of AI materializes when it fundamentally reshapes the business model. By adopting a thematic approach with a platform-building mindset, we aim to generate both internal and external value. We've worked diligently to achieve this and are excited to share the preliminary outcomes of our initiatives. Today, we're introducing a paradigm shift. Our AI solutions will accelerate the commercialization of all next-gen battery technologies. Lithium metal represents the forefront of this new approach. But our AI will ultimately be agnostic to any battery technology. Let's start with the EV sector. Last quarter, we announced our B-Sample joint development partnership with Hyundai to build a line within their Electrification Center in Ui-Wang, South Korea. I'm glad to share that we're on track to hit our target of completion of the line in the fourth quarter of this year. This will yield one of the largest capacity lithium metal lines globally and will manufacture 50-amp power to 100-amp power large automotive lithium metal B-sample cells. We continue to work with our automotive OEMs with a goal to reach EVC sample in 2025 and start of production, SOP, in 2026. For UAM and drones, we continue to see strong demand. For UAM, we are converting our previous EV-A sample lines in South Korea and Shanghai to UAM lines. We expect the Korea UAM line to complete field acceptance test, FAT, in August; site acceptance test, SAT, in September, and start producing cells in September. We expect the Shanghai UAM line to complete both FAT and SAT in September and start producing cells in October. Both UAM lines will make 20-amp power to 30-amp power medium lithium metal cells and modules. We're making great progress testing these lithium metal modules based on the rigorous safety test for aviation certification. We have already entered a few cell testing agreements with leading UAM OEMs and expect to enter a few more later this year. For drones, we're seeing growing demand from both industrial and defense customers, especially for small swarm drones. The drone market was estimated to be $28 billion in 2023, according to SkyQuest. About 1.8 times the $16 billion estimated market size for AR/VR goggles in 2023 according to Consegic Intelligence. We have already converted our small cell lines to make 4 amp power to 6 amp power small lithium metal cells and modules. Now let's talk about our AI solutions. We have three; AI for manufacturing, AI for safety, and AI for science. First, AI for manufacturing. The traditional approach to optimizing cell design and process and improving manufacturing quality is through human experience, where the human engineers define and optimize quality specifications, typically taking at least eight years. Battery manufacturing is often more of an art than a science, especially between the good ones and the very best. While this human-based approach has worked well in the past and works today for mature lithium-ion cell technologies, it slows down large-scale commercialization of next-gen battery technologies. We believe AI for manufacturing can accelerate this timeline by 10 times. It uses machine learning to define and fine-tune quality specifications based on manufacturing process data collected, which is much faster and more accurate than human engineers. Our EV-B sample, UAM, and drone lines produce an enormous amount of data, the largest manufacturing data of lithium metal cells anywhere in the world. We produce more than 1,000 cells per line, per month, and growing. There are more than 1,000 quality checkpoints per cell and growing, including both time series data and images, such as CT, X-ray, ultrasound, and vision. There are thousands of process steps with complex individual and group relationships. Our AI for Manufacturing model has already been pre-trained on more than 15,000 lithium metal cells. We're very excited to announce the installation of AI for manufacturing on all of our working metal lines, from EV-B sample to UAM to small drones. We expect it will provide very detailed and accurate individual step quality analysis and group of steps relationship analysis. This will further accelerate the optimization of manufacturing quality, preparing us for EV-C sample and larger scale UAM and drone manufacturing. In addition to in-health AI for manufacturing development, we also partner with big tech companies and plan to incorporate the latest AI for manufacturing approach from the semiconductor industry. We continue to work with our automotive OEMs with a goal to reach EV-C sample in 2025 and SOP in 2026. This AI for manufacturing capability allows us to bring enormous value to our other OEM and large battery manufacturing partners. Second, AI for safety. Traditional vehicle battery health monitoring and safety prediction are based on a set of boundary conditions determined by humans, physics-based models. These would include, for example, state of health, SOH; state of charge, SOC; capacity, voltage, temperature, current, time, to name a few. While the boundary conditions are well understood by humans, there are not enough to actually predict battery remaining useful life and incidents. AI is far more accurate and powerful at detecting anomalies than even the best human engineers. In AI for safety, rather than relying solely on human-developed boundary conditions, we have pre-trained our LLM with cell cycling data of more than 15,000 lithium metal cells under various mission profiles, including more than 100 actual flight hours of drones using our lithium metal modules. Interestingly, the LLM identifies features that can detect anomalies and send early warning signals far more accurately. These AI-developed features work remarkably, and we are working on improving the explainability of these models. With more vehicle battery data training, we believe that AI for safety can help guarantee near 100% safety in the field addressing the core issue of lithium metal and all next-gen batteries with higher energy densities, which is safety. In working with our OEM partners, our AI for safety model has been able to predict 100% of more than 40 incidents. Our model predicted the incidents 10 to 30 cycles earlier than they occurred and sent warning signals. We also continue the cycle test until the actual incidents to verify the prediction accuracy. In comparison, our human-based models were only able to predict around 80% of incidents. Third, AI for science. Human research and development on battery materials has been the single slowest step in commercialization of next-gen battery technologies. For example, the entire global lithium-ion industry spent 30 years studying less than 1,000 unique molecules, when there are 100 billion, that's 10 to the 11th, unique molecules that could be studied and should be studied. On average, it takes human scientists 10 years to introduce a new battery material. We believe AI for science can do that in one year. Unlike AI for manufacturing and safety that collects actual data from the lines and vehicles, AI for science requires an enormous molecular property database that currently does not exist; synthesizing this property database requires massive computing power. Recently, we started a new initiative called Molecular Universe, whose goal is to crowdsource subsidized and free computing resource to map the properties of small molecules. Several universities, national labs, and big tech companies have participated in this initiative, and we have already mapped about 10 to the sixth molecules. With more GPUs, we expect to map a large enough molecular universe that our AI model training will reach sufficient accuracy. Once we have this map, we can accelerate material discovery for any battery problem. This includes not just lithium metal for EV, UAM, and drones, but also lithium-ion batteries for consumer electronics, power tools, automotive, and other applications. Most of these molecules are completely new and not commercially available. That's why we built the Electrolyte Foundry, which has been operational since April this year. This Electrolyte Foundry employs some of the best organic synthesis chemists in the world. Now, we have complete ability from molecular mapping to generative AI models for new molecules, to molecular synthesis and purification, to high throughput electrolyte formulation screening, and to small and large cell testing. No one in the battery industry has such a comprehensive capability. So how do we monetize all this? These three AI solutions represent what we expect to be exciting and sooner than expected revenue streams, as well as the future of electric transportation. In AI for manufacturing and safety, to truly ensure near 100% safety in the field, manufacturing quality and vehicle safety data must be integrated. Here's where SES AI comes in. Our lithium metal cells for EV, UAM, and drones will be the first time that manufacturing and safety data are integrated to ensure near 100% safety. We're also working with some of our peers in both next-gen lithium-ion and lithium metal batteries to consolidate manufacturing and safety data for our model training. The larger and more diverse the data, the more accurate the models become. We expect the pricing could be structured as a premium valid for the entire warranty period. The value proposition for these OEMs is that incident prediction can prevent costly recalls, and more accurate remaining useful life prediction can help extend battery lifetime. In AI for science, SES AI has the strongest battery electrolyte development capability. Many battery companies and OEMs do not have the resources to develop good electrolyte materials. We can source intelligence and help them solve their challenges. We will start by seeking to beat the lithium metal electrolyte columbic efficiency record set by human scientists. We will then expand to lithium-ion applications, such as low temperature performance, and fast charge, non-volatility, and expand from automotive to consumer electronics, to grid storage, and many other applications. This type of sourced intelligence for the AI for science business model can find an analogy in the pharmaceutical industries that enjoy much higher profit margins. The pricing structure may be based on a development fee and recurring licensing royalty. We have been applying this to lithium metal material discovery and expect to apply it to lithium-ion material discovery. So we're going all in on AI. AI is changing everything. Our AI for manufacturing, AI for safety, and AI for science models are accelerating the commercialization, time to revenue, and profitability of lithium metal for EV, UAM, and drones. But they can also be applied to the broader industrial applications. Having navigated numerous industry cycles, I'm particularly proud of developing a technology from the ground up that many deem impossible. Our collaboration with a diverse portfolio of world-class customers further validates our efforts. However, I've never been more excited about our business than I am now with the integration of AI into every aspect of our operations. I firmly believe this will enable us to drive transformative change on a global scale. I am truly fortunate to be living in this exciting period in transportation, science, and AI. In addition to the vision we have outlined for our three AI solutions, our top priorities for the year remain focusing on capital efficiency, attracting top talent, continuing to make progress on delivering lithium metal cells to our EV, UAM, and drone partners, and leading the AI transformation of the battery industry. Thank you for your continued interest in SES AI. And now, I want to turn it over to Jing for financials.

Jing Nealis, CFO

Thank you, Qichao. Today, I will cover our second quarter of 2024 financial results and discuss our operating and capital budgets for the full-year 2024. In the second quarter, our gap operating expenses were $24.6 million. Cash used in operations was $22.1 million. And capital expenditures were $3.7 million. We ended the second quarter with $294.7 million in liquidity. As we continue to be very prudent with our cash and management of expenditures, we updated our full-year 2024 guidance. We now expect total cash usage to be in the range of $100 million to $120 million, down from $110 million to $130 million previously. This range is comprised of cash usage from operations of $85 million to $95 million, compared with $90 million to $100 million previously, and capital expenditures in the range of $15 million to $25 million, compared with $20 million to $30 million previously. We expect our strong balance sheet to provide liquidity for the company well into 2027. Going forward in C-Sample and beyond, we expect to share capacity buildup capital expenditures with our OEM partners. UAM/drones and our AI solutions could provide potential upside to earlier commercialization. With that, I'll hand the call back to the operator to open up for questions.

Operator, Moderator

Our first question is from Jed Dorsheimer with William Blair.

Mark Shooter, Analyst

Hi. We have Mark Shooter on Jed. Qichao, I'd like to hear what incremental data you've seen on AI to really push for this all-in approach. I know you've been working on these AI applications in the background for some time. But what was so incrementally positive here to really push this strategy shift?

Qichao Hu, CEO

Hey Mark, in all three areas, we began developing these AIs. The AI for safety started back in 2017, while the AI for manufacturing took off towards the end of A-sample and the beginning of B-sample. We noticed that with more data, particularly once we achieved around 1,000 quality checkpoints per cell and 1,000 cells monthly per line, it proved to be very beneficial. When we create a new cell design, human engineers typically lack experience and knowledge of the necessary quality specs, making the traditional process too slow. We then started using AI models to analyze the data. The model began suggesting interesting quality specifications, which we first observed towards the end of last year and the beginning of this year. Instead of human engineers conducting numerous experiments to find optimal specifications like electrical amounts or ideal gaps between components, the AI model ranks quality issues for us and provides insights on which factors have the most significant impact. For instance, it can specify that the pressure during the hot press has a greater effect than sealing temperature. It illustrates the relationship between various steps in a way that’s powerful and surprising. While it doesn’t replace quality engineers, who are still essential, it serves as a helpful complement to their expertise. On the safety side, we started training a large language model using cycling data. The charge and discharge curves resemble sentences, so training the model this way has yielded several use cases. Now that we are in the B-sample phase, we are also testing with mission profiles for urban air mobility and drones. Traditionally, OEMs rely on multiple physics-based models to set boundary conditions that trigger alarms, which can take a long time to develop and are only effective for established chemistries. When introducing a new cell chemistry, however, the existing metrics don’t apply, and the traditional process becomes too slow. In one case, an incident occurred during a cycle, and while existing physics-based models didn’t predict it, the large language model identified a warning 30 cycles earlier. That demonstrated significant power. Both in quality manufacturing and safety, introducing a new cell design requires new experience and metrics, and AI can accelerate that development. In AI for science, we expanded our electrical team, incorporating both AI and human scientists. Since late last year, our AI model has identified 17 new molecules, three of which we have standardized for testing, showing performance on par with human-generated molecules from the last decade. As we continue mapping a larger volume of data, we are confident we can identify even better candidates. These developments have reinforced our belief in leveraging AI to streamline the introduction of new battery chemistries at scale, rather than enduring lengthy improvement cycles in quality and safety.

Mark Shooter, Analyst

That's great to hear. I appreciate all the insights, Qichao. We often hear that AI is transforming software engineers into highly efficient workers, but it seems you're applying AI to enhance the capabilities of your material scientists and quality control engineers as well. I'm especially interested in what AI can contribute to the field of science and electrolytes, as there is a significant amount of exploration that needs to be done. I agree with that.

Qichao Hu, CEO

Yeah.

Mark Shooter, Analyst

I have a follow-up regarding the EOM partners. How are the partners, especially the EV EOM partners, considering AI for manufacturing and safety? Do they view it as an attractive feature they currently lack in traditional lithium-ion batteries, or do they see it as a critical proof point to help them feel more secure about a new chemistry they are unsure about?

Qichao Hu, CEO

Yeah. So it's two things. One is, it's a necessary approach to convince them of a new battery chemistry at commercial scale. We're not talking about R&D anymore, not A-sample. We're talking about B-sample and then C-sample. We're seriously talking about putting tens of thousands of cars with lithium metal battery in the field, with all kinds of users for EVs and UAMs. So at this point, we need a lot of data, a lot of real-world experience, and also AI model to really guarantee safety. Because now, we're talking about not safety in the lab, but safety in the field. So one thing is necessity. Second is a lot of these automakers want to make their own batteries. And so far, the power is in the hands of the large battery manufacturers; the CATLs, the LGs of the world. So for the automakers to control their own destiny, they really need to quickly control battery. And then having access and having control to better manufacturing data and battery performance data in the vehicle is very powerful. It allows the automakers to quickly get up to speed, and then get to the same level of proficiency in terms of manufacturing quality and safety compared to the large battery manufacturers. So these two are really important for the OEMs. And then it's both for lithium metal, but also for any next-gen lithium-ion.

Operator, Moderator

Our next question is from Shawn Severson with Water Tower Research.

Shawn Severson, Analyst

Great. Thank you. Qichao, I just wanted to go back to the monetization of the AI. I mean, I think it's clear in the pathway for you simply being able to make a better lithium metal battery, right, with the information you have. And what I'm trying to understand is how does that model expand to the lithium-ion industry, the OEMs? What you were talking about as far as uses and applications for AI, how does this get monetized outside of your own manufacturing?

Qichao Hu, CEO

Yes. So once you get the AI, then it becomes very chemistry-agnostic. And then actually in AI for manufacturing and AI for safety, we do train our models with both lithium metal data, more than 15,000 lithium metal cells in-house, as well as lithium-ion data that we get from our OEM partners, we get from public sources. And the more diverse, the larger the data size that you train this model, the smarter the model becomes. So the AI for manufacturing, we could also apply this. For example, say, a company wants to commercialize next-gen silicon lithium-ion battery. And then it also happens to be pouch, stacked cells, we can apply this model to that manufacturing line because they're also new to that cell design; that cell manufacturing process. And they also don't know what quality specs to apply because it's new. So we can apply this to them. And also, if an OEM wants to put a silicon-anode lithium-ion cell, or any less proven lithium-ion cell in the vehicle, and then also to monitor the health and then predict the remaining useful life in the incident, then this large language model trained on the data can also be used for that.

Shawn Severson, Analyst

So they would, in effect, license this from you or license the solution from you. They'd pay you for the AI?

Qichao Hu, CEO

Yes. Yes. So for example, in the first phase of engagement, basically, it'll be free. They provide us data to fine-tune our model. And then once our model is fine-tuned, then we license that model to them. So for AI for safety, it could be a premium per vehicle per month over the 8- or 10-year warranty period. And for the AI for manufacturing, it could be also in fee per line per year.

Shawn Severson, Analyst

Do you expect to own the IP that comes from this, particularly in the fourth science? I mean, you come up with a new combination or new chemistry. Are these things that then you will own and you will patent and license those things? Or are they going to be specifically used by the OEM for the solution and they would own it?

Qichao Hu, CEO

Yes, we definitely own the models, and in some cases, we may open source them to accelerate training. Specifically, in the AI for science area, we plan to make the molecular universe and the molecule property database open source, along with part of the model to encourage further development by others. This collaboration can enhance the model's capabilities. However, once we utilize that model to create new molecules, like those with high economic efficiency for lithium metal or improved low-temperature charging for silicon lithium-ion, the resulting molecules will be our proprietary intellectual property. That concludes my point.

Shawn Severson, Analyst

Thanks. My last question is, will the AI be proactive and reactive? And by that what I mean is, let's say, there is a problem that is happening, right, something that's occurring. Can you then take that data and solve for it? I understand there's a predictive portion of this as well, but can you solve problems that the battery manufacturers and OEMs are experiencing after the fact?

Qichao Hu, CEO

In manufacturing, we can produce cells without initial quality specifications. We collect data during this process, which the AI uses to train and recommend quality specifications. It will prioritize certain steps based on their impact on quality. For instance, it might indicate that in step number 17, which involves hot pressing, we should reduce the pressure to enhance quality. This blind manufacturing approach allows us to use AI to identify improvements. Regarding AI applications for vehicle safety, the aim is to monitor vehicle health and make predictions, but not to control the outcome directly. The predictions will be communicated to the OEMs, and it is their responsibility to decide how to act on that information.

Operator, Moderator

We have no further questions, so I'll pass the call back to the management team for any closing remarks. That concludes today's call. Thank you all for your participation. You may now disconnect your lines.