Earnings Call Transcript - ACMR Q2 2024

Operator, Operator

Good day, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you for standing by and welcome to the ACM Research Fiscal Second Quarter 2024 Earnings Conference Call. Currently, all participants are in a listen-only mode. Later, we will conduct a question-and-answer session and instructions will follow at that time. As a reminder, we are recording today's call. If you have any objections you may disconnect at this time. Now I'll turn the call over to Mr. Steven Pelayo, Managing Director of The Blueshirt Group. Mr. Pelayo, please go ahead.

Steven Pelayo, Managing Director, The Blueshirt Group

Thank you, Desmond. Good day everyone. Thank you for joining us to discuss the second quarter of 2024 results, which we released before the U.S. market opened today. The release is available on our website as well as from Newswire services. There is also a supplemental slide deck posted to the Investors section of our website that we will reference during our prepared remarks. On the call with me today are our CEO, David Wang; our CFO, Mark McKechnie; and Lisa Feng, our CFO of our operating subsidiary ACM Shanghai. Before we continue please turn to Slide 2. Let me remind you that remarks made during this call may include predictions, estimates, or other information that might be considered forward-looking. These forward-looking statements represent ACM's current judgment for the future. However, they are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially. Those risks are described under Risk Factors and elsewhere in ACM's filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission. Please do not place undue reliance on these forward-looking statements, which reflect ACM's opinions only as of the date of this call. ACM is not obliged to update you on any revisions to these forward-looking statements. Certain of these financial results that we provide on this call will be on a non-GAAP basis, which excludes stock-based compensation and an unrealized gain or loss on short-term investments. For our GAAP results and reconciliations between GAAP and non-GAAP amounts you should refer to our slides or, pardon me, you should refer to our earnings release, which is posted on the IR section of our website and to Slide 12. Let me now turn the call over to David Wang, who will begin with Slide 3. David?

David Wang, CEO

Thanks, Steven. Hello, everyone, and welcome to ACM Research second quarter 2024 earnings conference call. Please turn to Slide 3. For the second quarter, revenue was $202.5 million, up 40%. Shipments were $203 million, up 32%. Profitability was good with a gross margin of 48.2% and operating margin of 25.6%. And we ended the quarter with approximately $367 million of cash and time deposits with a positive cash flow from operations for the quarter. Revenue for the first half of the year was $354.7 million, up 62%. We believe this growth rate is higher than the growth rate of China WFE and demonstrates market share gain for ACM and the contribution from new product cycles. Now I will provide detail on products. Please turn to Slide 4. Revenue from single-wafer cleaning Tahoe and semi-critical cleaning product grew 36% in Q2 and represented 76% of total revenue. ACM offers what we believe is among the industry's most comprehensive cleaning portfolio. We estimate the global total available market or TAM for cleaning is close to $6 billion, and ACM produces products supporting 90% of all cleaning process steps in both memory and logic. During the last earnings call, we highlighted the sulfuric peroxide, or SPM portion of the cleaning market, which has been a relatively small contributor to our business, but represented 25% to 30% of the total front-end cleaning market. ACM now offers a full product line of SPM tools across all temperature ranges. We have already shipped Tahoe and single-wafer tools for lower and middle-temperature SPM steps. We now have a differentiated high-temperature SPM tool that we believe positions us to gain market share from the current market leader. We currently have more than 10 SPM customers in production or evaluation and look forward to increased contribution to shipment or revenue as we ramp up production in the next 12 to 24 months. We also expect our bevel etcher cleaning tool to contribute more revenue in 2024 and we are on track to complete the evaluation of a supercritical CO2 dry cleaning tool this year, with revenue expected in 2025. We believe ACM's cleaning portfolio, including SAPS, TEBO, Tahoe semi-critical, together with SPM and supercritical CO2 dry, has achieved world-class status. We see good opportunity for continual market share gain in Mainland China, and we are confident we have what it takes to engage major customers in international markets. Revenue from ECP furnace and other technologies grew 104% in Q2, and represent 19% of total revenue. We achieved another quarterly record in this category with nearly $39 million in revenue in Q2. In plating, we are seeing strong demand for both front-end wafer processing and back-end packaging. We have a major new product announcement today, the Ultra ECP ap-p plating tool for the next-generation fan-out panel-level packaging, or FOPLP. We believe this is a game-changing product that positions ACM to participate in the growing demand for AI solutions. Our proprietary design employs a horizontal plating method that delivers film uniformity and precision across the entire panel. We believe ACM is among the first to employ horizontal plating for panel applications, and it will strengthen the market, enabling advanced packaging with sub-micron features on large panels. This technology is especially applicable to GPU and high-density, high-bandwidth memory. We see a large opportunity as several major semiconductor leaders have chosen panels for their AI chip packaging solutions. We continue to make good progress with our furnace products, which address more process steps, ranging from oxidation, anneal, to LPCVD and ALD. As noted in prior calls, our furnace product cycle is about 18 months behind plating. We believe our furnace product portfolio will benefit from increasing capacity for both memory and logic. Overall, we expect to have more than 16 furnace customers by the end of this year, compared to the nine at the end of 2023. Revenue from advanced packaging, which includes ECP but excluding service and spare, declined by 20% for Q2, but went up 13.5% for the first half of the year. This category includes a range of packaging tools, such as coater, developer, scrubber, peel stripper, and wet etchers, and also service and spare parts. We are exploring new products and technology to participate in the next generation of advanced packaging. We believe ACM is one of the only companies that offers a full set of web tools, polished tools, and carbon plating tools for advanced packaging. Last week, we announced the Ultra C vacuum-p flux cleaning tool for fan-out panel-level packaging. This is a companion tool to the ECP ap-p, which I mentioned earlier, and extends ACM's product portfolio to the panel space. In July, we shipped our first Ultra C vacuum-p flux tool to a new China packaging manufacturer. Putting it together, we believe those two panel tools, including plating and cleaning, mark a strong offering by ACM to address the fan-out panel-level packaging market. We believe ACM is among the first to apply horizontal plating technology into panel packaging applications. We believe our technology will help accelerate ACM's global market share gain as the interest in panel-level packaging is growing rapidly at Foundry, IDM, and OSAT in the US, Korea, Taiwan, and Mainland China. Finishing up on products, we are making good progress with our track and PECVD platform. We believe our proprietary approach positions both tools for success in Mainland China and among global customers. We shipped our beta version of the PECVD tool in July to a large customer. The innovative platform is capable of handling a wide variety of PECVD processes. We expect multiple evaluations this year from several of our local customers in Foundry, logic, and memory, and other areas. We are moving forward in the development of our track tool, which has differentiated design with a focus on high throughput and low maintenance. In addition to the AI evaluation tool in a major Chinese foundry, we are also engaging with several customers for i-line and KrF-line based lithography. We expect good progress for both PECVD and track over the next year, with revenue likely in late 2025, and more notable contributions in 2026 and beyond. Moving on to customers, please turn to slide 7. In Q2, we saw broader demand from foundry logic power and memory, both NAND and DRAM. For the second quarter of 2024, we had a full 10% customer representing 58% of the revenue versus three customers representing 52% in the second quarter of 2023. In China, we have a leading position in cleaning with significant room to grow. We believe we have become a world-class multi-product company with competitive products in markets for plating and furnace. We have a solid evaluation pipeline for track and PECVD. Overall, we believe our China growth is being driven by market share gain, new products, and increased localization. In the US, we delivered the Ultra C backside cleaning and Bevel Etch tool in the second quarter of 2024 to a large US manufacturer that qualified as the first SAPS cleaning tool for revenue later last year. This demonstrates a deepened relationship which we believe can lead to a production order across multiple product lines. And today, I'm pleased to announce we have received an order from a US-based wafer level packaging house for a coater/developer tool. We expect to deliver this tool to the US facility in the first half of 2025. Last month, we had a great week at the SEMICON West trade show in San Francisco. We had several days of solid meetings with a number of US chipmakers with fabs in the US and abroad, with good interest in our SAPS, TEBO, Tahoe supercritical CO2 dry plating, and all wet etch tools. In Europe, we are in the final stage of our qualification of the Ultra C SAPS cleaning tool at a major global semiconductor manufacturer. In Korea, we engaged with multiple customers for both front-end and packaging tools, including single-wafer and batch cleaning, Tahoe, ECP furnace, ALD, PECVD, and track. We see opportunity for our tools with SK Hynix's high bandwidth memory capacity product. To support growth, we made progress on our facility expansion in China and other regions. Please turn to slide 8. In China, our Lingang production and R&D center is nearly complete. We expect initial production to begin in the second half of this year. In Korea, we believe a strong commitment can improve our relationship with key Korean customers. Our resources in Korea can also provide another basis to support international customers. We continue to invest in our Oregon site to add our service support and demonstration capability for R&D and customer activity in the US and Europe. In Q3, we entered into an agreement to purchase a 40,000 square foot R&D facility in Oregon, with a fully functional 5,000 square foot clean room. The purchase is scheduled to close in Q4. This new facility demonstrates a strong commitment to the US market and allows us to conduct R&D and demonstration of ACM technology near major semiconductor producers. Several years ago, we set a long-term revenue target of $1 billion. We are now close to this level and we have made good progress with new products and international marketing. As a result, I'm happy to report that today we have set a new long-term revenue target of $3 billion. Please turn to slide 6. Key reasons for increasing include; first, we have scaled our business in Mainland China and also Korea. We now ship cleaning, plating, and advanced packaging tools to nearly all the major and smaller semiconductor manufacturers, and we are among the top one or two local producers for each category. Second, we believe our products are world-class, including our current offerings and our new product roadmap. We are committed to innovation and we believe we can compete head-to-head with top-tier players both in China and in the international market. At a high level, we believe a marked shift to AI is moving the market toward ACM technology. We have been investing in key technology for years, and we are now seeing good interest in applying these key technologies to several industrial trends. Let me highlight a few. The shift to 3D structures for NAND, DRAM, and logic is driving demand for our vertical cleaning solutions including TEBO and supercritical CO2 dry, and also our proprietary furnace ALD design. Next, HBM requirements are driving demand for our TSV plating and 2.5D advanced packaging solutions. For PECVD, ACM has a very unique approach including one chamber with three chucks that allows our customers to address multiple processes with the same platform. For track, ACM's differentiated platform is designed for high throughput and low maintenance to scan. And therefore, panel plating, as we announced today, we believe ACM's new Ultra ECP ap-p is a game changer that will support future AI chip packaging at the panel level. Third, with our product line proving at scale in China and Korea, we are seeing good traction with our global customers. We have multiple tools under evaluation at several major customers in the US, Europe, Korea, and Southeast Asia. We are confident these can lead to volume production orders. In the longer term, we expect up to half our business to be in markets beyond Mainland China. Bringing it all together, our $3 billion target assumes that China will account for about $1.5 billion in revenue and the rest of the world, which is 2x to 3x larger than China, will account for another $1.5 billion. I will now provide our outlook. Please turn to Slide 9. We have raised our 2024 revenue outlook to be in the range of $695 million to $735 million versus the prior outlook of $650 million to $725 million. At the midpoint, our new outlook represents a 28% year-over-year growth compared to 23% previously. We expect shipments in the second half of the year to grow, with a full-year shipment growth rate outpacing the revenue growth rate. We note our visibility for the year is largely driven by our current order book and anticipated new orders, qualification or customer acceptance of previously shipped evaluation tools to a range of customers. We believe WFE spending in Mainland China will remain stable, as the country continues to work toward matching its production capacity with end market consumption. We are focused on gaining market share in Mainland China, ramping our new products, and expanding our business to new customers in the US, Korea, Taiwan, Europe, and other Southeast Asia markets. Now, let me turn the call over to our CFO, Mark, who will review details of our second quarter results. Mark, please?

Mark McKechnie, CFO

Thank you, David. Good day everyone. Please turn to Slide 10. Unless I note otherwise, I will refer to non-GAAP financial measures, which exclude stock-based compensation, unrealized gains or losses on short-term investments. Reconciliation of these non-GAAP measures to comparable GAAP measures is included in our earnings release. Unless otherwise noted, the following figures refer to the second quarter of 2024 and comparisons are with the second quarter of 2023. I will now provide financial highlights for the second quarter of 2024. Revenue was $202.5 million, up 40%. Revenue for single-wafer cleaning Tahoe and semi-critical cleaning was $153.2 million, up 36.2%. Revenue for ECP front-end packaging furnace and other technologies was $39.0 million, up 103.8%. Revenue for advanced packaging, excluding ECP services and spares, was $10.3 million for the second quarter, down 20.4%, but for the first half, it grew by 13.5%. Total shipments were $203 million, up 32%. Gross margin was 48.2% versus 47.6%. This exceeded our long-term gross margin target of 40% to 45%. For the full year, we now expect our gross margins to be above the high end of the range. This is due to gross margins above the range for the first half and our expectations for gross margin at the upper end of our target range for Q3 and Q4. We continue to expect gross margin to vary from period to period due to a variety of factors such as sales volume, product mix, and currency impacts. Operating expenses were $45.6 million, up from $36.3 million. R&D was $21.8 million versus $19.4 million. The year-over-year increase primarily reflects additional personnel expenses to support our product development pipeline. Sales and marketing was $14.1 million versus $11 million, and G&A was $9.8 million versus $6.0 million. For 2024, we plan for R&D in the 13% to 15% range, sales and marketing in the 7% to 8% range, and G&A in the 5% to 6% range. Operating income was $51.9 million versus $32.4 million. Operating margin was 25.6% versus 22.4%. We had no realized gain from the sale of short-term investments for the quarter, as compared to a gain of $3.9 million in the year-ago period. Recall that the realized gains are included in our non-GAAP earnings. Income tax expense was $9.3 million versus $7.6 million. For the full year, we plan for an effective tax rate on non-GAAP pre-tax income in the 15% to 20% range. Net income attributable to ACM Research was $37.3 million versus $31.3 million. Our net income per diluted share was $0.55 versus $0.48. Our non-GAAP net income excluded $14.3 million or $0.21 per share in stock-based compensation expense. We note that due to the accelerated amortization for ACM Shanghai stock option grants, we do expect SBC expense to gradually roll off in the third quarter and beyond. I will now review selected balance sheet and cash flow items. Cash, cash equivalents, restricted cash, and time deposits ended the second quarter at $366.8 million versus $288.3 million at the end of last quarter. Total inventory was $602.9 million versus $581.1 million at the end of last quarter. This included raw materials and work in process of $324.0 million and finished goods inventory of $278.9 million. Finished goods inventory mainly includes first tools under evaluation at our customers and also includes finished goods at ACM facilities. Cash flow from operations was $61 million for the second quarter, and $51.9 million for the first half of the year. Capital expenses were $13.6 million for the second quarter, $39.7 million for the first half of the year. For the full year 2024, we expect to spend about $100 million in capital expenditures. This primarily includes continued investments in our Lingang facilities, remodeling for the new headquarters for ACM Shanghai, and our investments in Korea and the US together with fixed asset expenditures. That concludes our prepared remarks. Now, let us open the call for any questions that you may have. Operator, please go ahead.

Operator, Operator

Thank you. We will now begin the question-and-answer session. Our first question comes from Suji Desilva from ROTH Capital. Please go ahead.

Suji Desilva, Analyst

Hi, David, Mark, Lisa, congrats on the progress here and the guidance. For the second half, your shipments appear to be increasing. Can you talk about maybe what percent or give us some sense of how much of that shipment base is outside of China versus China? And how that will increase in the mix over time?

Mark McKechnie, CFO

David, you want to take?

David Wang, CEO

You want to take that, Mark?

Mark McKechnie, CFO

Yeah. Sure. Hey, Suji, thanks. Yeah, we expect our shipments to be a bit higher in the second half versus the first half of the year. We'd expect shipments up, obviously, in the third quarter. In terms of the mix internationally, outside of Mainland China, Suji, I would say that the substantial majority of our shipments will still be within China. And so we will have some shipments outside, but really a substantial majority is going to be to the Mainland China market in the back half of the year.

Suji Desilva, Analyst

Okay. That’s fair. And then specifically the Korea customers, I know you've been shipping into the China fabs for Korea customers. But are you already shipping into Korea fab for Korean customers? And if not, what the timing of that starting because that sounds like something newer as an opportunity I've heard versus kind of US and Europe?

David Wang, CEO

Okay. So, we are definitely working with Korean customers. And so at this moment, we are, I mean Q2 we have no shipments going there in Korea right now. However, we do see the opportunity including also R&D tools for beyond the cleaning product, we're having an engagement with our Korean customers. So we see that additional new products. We’re hopefully can be shipping in the second half this year, which is really another bigger product for the HDM, right? That's where we are currently evolved.

Suji Desilva, Analyst

Outstanding. That's great. And then my last question is on the high bandwidth memory supply chain in Taiwan which has been growing very strong. Can you talk about your opportunity there if that's soon and who the competition today is in that market, because we know with AI that's growing very fast?

David Wang, CEO

Okay. You mean the panel side of the new product? Suji, you mean that, is that correct?

Suji Desilva, Analyst

The high bandwidth memory opportunity, the supply chain there the products into Mainland China and into Taiwan rather.

David Wang, CEO

Yes. You mean our new panel product you talk about?

Suji Desilva, Analyst

Yes, right. The back-end packaging.

David Wang, CEO

Back-end packaging? Okay. I see. Well, for the back-end packaging, we're engaging with customers in Taiwan and also engaging with customers in the US right? We just announced we have received our first coater/developer order from one of the US advanced packaging houses. And definitely we are well set out there for this wet tool for advanced packaging. So we’re engaging with multiple customers in Taiwan. Meanwhile, we just announced our panel low-pressure cleaning for flux and also announced this, for example, plating for the panel. I think the two new products will definitely address the new trend in this packaging requirement. So we're engaging with multiple customers right now both in Mainland China and also in Taiwan and also in the US. So we believe that will bring another exciting market for our new panel product. And plus we're still engaging also to develop additional new类型, other types of panel products too. So we believe that will bring another revenue growth potential in this product portfolio.

Suji Desilva, Analyst

Okay. Sounds like great progress all around. Thanks, David. Thanks guys.

David Wang, CEO

Thank you, Suji.

Operator, Operator

Thank you for the questions. One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Charles Shi from Needham & Co. Please go ahead.

Charles Shi, Analyst

Hi. I have a couple of questions. First, it seems like you are suggesting a mostly flat performance for the second half of the year, but shipments are likely to be higher in that period. I would like to clarify if your comment about increased shipments in the second half refers to half-over-half growth or sequential quarter-over-quarter growth. That’s my first question.

Mark McKechnie, CFO

It's a half-over-half. Yes, we'd expect shipments to be higher in the second half than they were in the first half.

Charles Shi, Analyst

Yes. But any thoughts on the implied revenue guide for second half being largely flat versus the first half? And how should people think about this?

David Wang, CEO

Actually, revenue also in the second half is higher than first half right? You look at our midpoint of the new statements.

Charles Shi, Analyst

Okay. Then the second question is about the capital allocation. Definitely, ACM Shanghai is already paying a dividend to ACM Shanghai customers. I wonder if there are any thoughts on starting a dividend policy with the ACM Research investors, especially when ACM Shanghai is probably going to see that lock-up expiry pretty soon?

David Wang, CEO

Yes. Okay. Good point. And we do have a dividend, right, in the last year and probably will continue this dividend distributing to all the investors of ACM Shanghai for the near future. Then you talk about the lock-up of the ACM USA for their shares in China Shanghai. I think at this moment our still major business is from Shanghai and ACM USA definitely can sell their shares. However, you consider our stand right now we're keeping our shares right? The reason is that we do have dividends and also ACM USA has the cash going on and there's no reason to sell our precious shares inside of China.

Charles Shi, Analyst

Sorry, David. Just want to clarify when I say dividend, I mean the dividend for ACM USA shareholders, not the ACM Shanghai shareholders.

David Wang, CEO

Okay. So the dividend we got from ACM Shanghai will come to ACM USA. So, this money I think will be reinvested into our marketing side and also potentially supporting R&D and for other purposes, right? So, at this moment we believe the cash we got from dividends is best used for reinvesting back into the business instead of just distributing dividends to the ACM USA investor. So, we think that will be our major focus for the dividends usage. Mark, anything you want to add on that?

Mark McKechnie, CFO

Yes. I mean, Charles, I think it's an interesting question, but echoing what David says, we don't have any plans to pay a dividend from the U.S. Yes.

Charles Shi, Analyst

Thank you.

Operator, Operator

Thank you for the question. Our next question comes from the line of Mark Miller from The Benchmark Company. Please go ahead.

Mark Miller, Analyst

Let me say congratulations, another very good quarter. And again, you're probably the greatest growth stock at least in my universe. And hopefully, the investors will respond to that more aggressively in the future. In terms of your evaluations going on especially outside of China, can you give a little more color in terms of evaluations, in terms of what type of tools and what countries?

David Wang, CEO

Okay. Sure, Mark. At this moment, we do have our cleaning tool right as being sent to a U.S. customer. We do have two types of tools. One is SAPS cleaning and another one is really backside and also bevel clean, right, in the same customer. And recently we received another order from a coater/developer from a U.S. advanced packaging house. And also we do have another evaluation tool or SAPS tool from a European customer in the evaluation. Also, meanwhile, we're happily engaged with the Korean customer for copper plating, right, and tool. That's in the demo status. And hopefully quickly we can shift to the production for the final production evaluation. We're also talking with a few customers in Singapore and also in the U.S. and discussing our new cleaning capability including TEBO and Tahoe. And I want to say that is our supercritical CO2 really would be designed for advanced technology evaluation, especially for 3D cleaning and also for sulfuric acid cleaning. So that kind of powerful cleaning tool, we're engaging with multiple customers right now.

Mark Miller, Analyst

Okay. In terms of your margin guidance and margins have certainly been above the target range. You are guiding the margins being at the top and guiding range. I assume that implies that your backlog, the margins of the tools in the backlog are at or above your target range.

David Wang, CEO

Mark, you want to answer that?

Mark McKechnie, CFO

That's right, Mark. I mean, we mentioned that for the year, our gross margins would be above the normal 40% to 45% range. Really because they were stronger above the range for the first half of the year, and the rest of the year, we're expecting them to be at the upper end of our range. And so yeah, I mean, our visibility on the margin profile for the end of the year is pretty good.

Mark Miller, Analyst

Thank you.

David Wang, CEO

Yeah.

Operator, Operator

Thank you for your questions. Next, we have Robert McKay from Blue Lotus. Please go ahead.

Robert McKay, Analyst

Hey there. Thanks for taking my question. Am I coming in clearly?

David Wang, CEO

Yes. Robert, please. Go ahead.

Robert McKay, Analyst

I have a sensitive question. I'm curious if we've assessed any potential further restrictions on Chinese companies and what the possible impact could be if those restrictions do not come into effect. What are our thoughts on this matter, and is there anything we can discuss about it?

David Wang, CEO

You talking about this new rule for the export control, is that what you mean?

Robert McKay, Analyst

Yeah. Exactly.

David Wang, CEO

Okay. Well, I mean, again, we just heard some real market rumors. We carefully, I should say, watch out for the new rule come out, where ACM definitely will follow the law, right? And the USA law and follow Chinese law with international business. We carefully at this moment, no speculation, but I will say even if something comes out it is not only ACM, right? A lot of U.S. companies got impacted too. So we just want to watch out what's going on and make whatever adjustments based on the new regulatory come out.

Mark McKechnie, CFO

Maybe I would add to that is, we take a deep step back and we look at the China WFE. I think David's view, our view on WFE in China is that's pretty stable for this year and for the years to come that the country will continue to invest in their production capacity. And so like David mentioned, we'll monitor any of the new regulations. Of course, we'll follow the rules, but we generally anticipate WFE in China to remain pretty stable.

Robert McKay, Analyst

Thanks for the clarification. Is there any potential impact on our supply chain if these rumors end up being true?

David Wang, CEO

Supply chain, at this moment, I see they're pretty stable right now, right? Obviously, we're looking for different kinds of supply chains. And for mature products we still buy U.S. components. But for whatever the long snows, we have been using non-USA parts. And at this moment we're also looking for multiple supply chains both in other countries also inside of China. We also qualify the local players for the components. So we definitely have a plan to secure our supply chain. And when any new regulatory comes out we can quickly switch into other alternative choices for the supply chain.

Robert McKay, Analyst

Okay. Got it. That makes a lot of sense. So you have some backups. That's very good to hear. And then I had one more question. I think it's related to the private offering that we announced in January. I think we were going to some private offering with our Shanghai shares. I was just wondering if we have any update regarding that private offering if there's any progress on that front and when we expect to hear more about it.

David Wang, CEO

Yes. Actually, we're in the process of the final formal application, right. But we know that the approving process in the secondary offering in China will take time. We estimate probably six to eight months, even longer. So our permission, probably we're expecting in the middle of next year we might get it. And then within another one year of the permission we got, then we can probably see the second offering based on market situation. Now obviously, we expect in that time we got our PECVD, track system, and also furnace including our panel-packaging tool getting into the market. So we're choosing the right time and rather pricing to raise our second firm.

Robert McKay, Analyst

Okay. That makes a lot of sense. Thanks. And then I had one more question. It was just about if we have any new products that we can look forward to in the second half of this year or in early 2025 that we can think about or should we just wait until the announcement?

David Wang, CEO

Well obviously, we announced already, right? I mean this Q2, we announced two products already. So I want to say we'll continue exploring new products and obviously, like this panel, right we announced two. We're still working on the additional other types of panel products for this year, and probably we're going to announce another new product when we got ready. Meanwhile, I'd still say, we are still major focused on our UGC, what you’re doing right now; cleaning, copper plating furnace and especially furnace ALD and track and PECVD. So our new products are probably still along this major technology and also the product. We're not going to develop anything that is completely new outside of the categories I've mentioned.

Robert McKay, Analyst

Got it. Perfect. Very clear. Thank you very much and also great results and questions with the touchy questions. Thank you very much. Yes.

David Wang, CEO

Thank you, Robert.

Operator, Operator

Thank you for the questions. There are no questions at this time. I would like to turn the call over to management for closing remarks.

David Wang, CEO

Okay. Thank you, operator. And thank you all for participating on today's call and for your support. Before we close, Steven is going to mention our upcoming Investor Relations events. Steven, please?

Steven Pelayo, Managing Director, The Blueshirt Group

Thanks, David. Before we conclude, I just want to give everyone a quick reminder on our upcoming investor conferences. On August 27, we will present at Jefferies' Semiconductor IT Hardware & Communications Technology Summit at the Four Seasons Hotel in Chicago in the United States. On September 4, we will present at Benchmark 2024 TMT Conference in New York City. Attendance at the conference is by invitation only. For interested investors, please contact your respective sales representatives to register and schedule one-on-one meetings with the management team. This concludes our call, and you may now disconnect. Bye-bye.