Earnings Call Transcript - ADPT Q1 2024

Operator, Operator

Good day and thank you for standing by. Welcome to the Adaptive Biotechnologies First Quarter 2024 Earnings Call. Please note, all participants are in listen-only mode. After the speakers’ presentation, there will be a question-and-answer session. Please be advised today’s conference is being recorded. I would now like to hand the conference over to your first speaker today, Karina Calzadilla, Head of Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Karina Calzadilla, Head of Investor Relations

Thank you, Corey, and good afternoon, everyone. I would like to welcome you to Adaptive Biotechnologies first quarter 2024 earnings conference call. Earlier today, we issued a press release reporting Adaptive financial results for the first quarter of 2024. The press release is available at www.adaptivebiotech.com. We are conducting a live webcast of this call and we’ll be referencing a slide presentation that has been posted to the Investors section on our corporate website. During the call, management will be making projections and other forward-looking statements within the meaning of federal securities laws regarding future events and the future financial performance of the Company. These statements reflect management’s current perspective of the business as of today. Actual results may differ materially from today’s forward-looking statements, depending on a number of factors, which are set forth in our public filings with the SEC and listed in this presentation. In addition, non-GAAP financial measures will be discussed during the call, and a reconciliation from non-GAAP to GAAP metrics can be found in our earnings release. Joining the call today are Chad Robins, our CEO and Co-founder; and Kyle Piskel, our Chief Financial Officer. Additional members from management will be available for Q&A. With that, I will turn the call over to Chad Robins. Chad?

Chad Robins, CEO and Co-founder

Thank you, Karina. Good afternoon and thank you for joining us on our first quarter earnings call. As communicated last month, moving forward, both our MRD and Immune Medicine businesses will remain under the Adaptive umbrella, each with its own dedicated resources and separate segment reporting. This will allow each business to execute its focused strategies: for MRD, working towards profitability with a strengthened financial profile, and for Immune Medicine, translating scientific advances in cancer and autoimmunity into groundbreaking therapeutic programs with clear guidelines for investment. We continue to maintain a strong capital position with approximately $309 million as of March 31st, which enables us to support the MRD business in reaching profitability and to facilitate targeted investments in Immune Medicine. Our strength is further supported by access to additional non-dilutive capital through our agreement with OncoEMR. Now let's examine the MRD business. The MRD business had a strong quarter with $32.6 million in revenue, reflecting 52% growth compared to the previous year, driven by both clinical and pharma segments. On the clinical side, we saw continuous volume growth with over 17,000 tests delivered in Q1, marking a 41% year-over-year increase and a 9% sequential rise. Growth was observed across all market indications, with multiple myeloma being the largest contributor at around 40% of volume. The few sludge diesel lymphoma is our fastest-growing indication, increasing about 25% quarter-over-quarter and now makes up 5% of total tests. We remain focused on driving ASP growth by addressing auto policies and non-contracting claims while enhancing revenue cycle management. We're encouraged by the recent preliminary gap bill rate set by Medicare at $1,823 per test, an increase from our currently implied rate under the episode structure. Once finalized, this rate will take effect in 2025 and could influence both Medicare and commercial payer pricing, boosting our confidence in increasing ASP per test by $200 over the next two years. Additionally, clonoSEQ key indicators trended positively in Q1. Blood-based testing accounted for nearly 40% of tests, with multiple myeloma in blood now comprising 20%, following positive data from ASH in December. Community testing continues to grow sequentially, contributing around 25% of tests delivered. The number of ordering healthcare providers and accounts grew by 33% and 25% year-over-year, respectively. Moreover, EMR integration remains vital to enhancing customer experience and solidifying our market leadership. We observed 40% growth quarter-over-quarter across the first four accounts integrated at the end of 2023, and we currently have nine additional active epic integrations underway. In the MRD pharma sector, our Pharma business started the year strong with Q1 revenue growth of 71% year-over-year. Sequencing revenue increased by 17%, and we recognized milestones from two drug approvals. Last month, the FDA's Oncologic Drug Advisory Committee unanimously supported the use of MRD as a primary endpoint to accelerate the approval of new therapies for patients with multiple myeloma. If accepted by the FDA, ODAC's recommendation could speed up patient access to novel therapies and lower drug development costs. Besides clonoSEQ, the only FDA-cleared MRD assay for multiple myeloma patients, it is the sole assay that consistently meets the sensitivity and standardization required to satisfy FDA performance standards. This strengthens clonoSEQ's position as the assay of choice for multi-myeloma drug developers. So, what does this imply for clonoSEQ? From a revenue recognition standpoint, we could potentially speed up revenue realization from existing studies. There's also a chance to generate new bookings as companies shift focus in their multi-myeloma programs to utilize a faster path to commercialization. Regarding milestone recognition, we have the opportunity to monetize primary endpoints from existing MRD pharma contracts. Additionally, this could positively influence the ongoing acceptance of MRD as a standard measure of response in clinical settings. Now, turning to immune medicine, our focus is on developing differentiated immune-driven therapeutics in cancer and autoimmunity. In oncology, we're working closely with our genetic partners on TCR-based cell therapy products that target tumor neoantigens. We're collaborating with Genentech on a comprehensive review of the programs to ensure the highest impact therapy delivery for patients. Both companies are excited and committed to these developments, and we'll provide updates when appropriate. In autoimmunity, we're concentrating on select areas in multiple sclerosis and type 1 diabetes, where there's still a significant unmet need for better-targeted therapies with improved side effect profiles. Our strategy focuses on identifying the specific T cells that attack healthy cells. Our therapeutic goal is to block or eliminate these problematic T cells to prevent them from damaging healthy tissue. In multiple sclerosis and T1D, we've successfully identified the auto-reactive T cell receptors likely responsible for these serious diseases, and in multiple sclerosis, we can confirm the specific self-antigen that these T cell receptors target. This quarter, we initiated our antibody discovery campaigns in multiple sclerosis and T1D, aiming to discover, produce, and test select antibodies that will generate preclinical data to guide further investment by year-end. We're aligning our R&D investments based on anticipated data readouts throughout the year. In Q1, we adjusted our resources to focus on these specific 2024 programs and objectives. As a result, we expect to cut our Immune Medicine operating expenses in 2024 by more than 50% compared to the previous year. The Immune Medicine business remains disciplined in spending, and we continue to engage with strategic partners to help reduce our cash burn. Now, I will hand it over to Kyle to discuss the key financials and provide details on the second report. Kyle?

Kyle Piskel, Chief Financial Officer

Thanks, Chad. Let's start with revenue for the first quarter on the left of slide 7. Total revenue in the first quarter was $41.99 million, with 78% from MRD and 22% from Immune Medicine. MRD revenue grew to $32.6 million, up 52% from a year ago, with clonoSEQ clinical testing and MRD pharma partnerships each driving approximately 48% and 12% of the growth, respectively, along with a $4.5 million increase in regulatory milestones. Excluding these milestones, MRD revenue grew 31% from a year ago, and Immune Medicine revenue was $9.2 million, down 43% from a year ago, driven largely, as expected, by lower genetic amortization, which decreased 49%, as well as decreases in IM pharma services due to a shift in focus towards targeting and direct discovery efforts. Moving down the P&L, total operating expenses, including costs of revenue, were $90.6 million, representing a 4% decrease from last year. This decrease was mainly driven by the continued emphasis on driving leverage across functions and reductions in research and development expenses as we continue to prioritize our investments in it. Cost of revenue decreased 3%, resulting in gross margins for the quarter of 57%, a 7% point increase versus a year ago. This increase was mainly attributed to MRD milestone recognition, partially offset by lower amortization of Genentech. Finally, interest expense from our royalty financing agreement with ODAC was $3 million, which was more than offset by interest income. The net loss for the quarter was $47.5 million compared to $57.7 million last year, while adjusted EBITDA was a loss of $28.2 million compared to $37.1 million in Q1 of 2023. Now, turning to segment reporting on the right side of the slide, restructuring activities during the quarter aligned resources and operations, sales and marketing, and R&D towards either the MRD or Immune Medicine businesses. These resources and related costs are dedicated to each business and are included within the operating spend of MRD and Immune Medicine, respectively. Other corporate functions such as finance, legal, HR, and IT continue to be managed centrally to avoid disorganization from duplication. We allocate the majority of these corporate expenses to each segment using direct headcount in MRD and Immune Medicine, which is approximately 75% MRD and approximately 25% Immune Medicine. Certain expenses will remain unallocated, such as our corporate insurance costs, governance, audit fees, our idle facility, and interest income and expense, which are reflected under an unallocated corporate segment. In addition to operating expenses per segment, we are also providing adjusted EBITDA, which can be used as a proxy for cash burn per segment, excluding CapEx and working capital. Now, turning to our updated full-year guidance on slide 8. Updating our MRD full-year revenue guidance to $135 million to $140 million, bringing up the midpoint of the range to reflect the realization of milestones not previously included in the guide. With respect to trends throughout the year, we continue to expect MRD revenue to be about 45-55 weighted between the first and second half, respectively. For the year, we are lowering the total company estimated operating spend to $350 million to $360 million, a $10 million reduction from our previous guidance as we continue to drive leverage across the businesses and manage investments. Of this total spend approximately 70% sits within the MRD business and approximately 25% within Immune Medicine. We continue to be thoughtful about our cash position, excluding one-time costs from restructuring activity. We now expect the burn to average approximately $30 million for the remaining three quarters, which implies an annual cash burn of $130 million versus our previous estimate of $149 million. This represents a 14% reduction in cash burn over full-year 2023. Of note, approximately 50% of the cash burn this year is expected to come from the MRD business and approximately 40% from the Immune Medicine business. The remaining 10% is due to unallocated corporate costs. I look forward to providing you with further financial updates throughout the year as we continue to make progress towards our goals. With that, I'll hand it back over to Chad.

Chad Robins, CEO and Co-founder

Thank you, Kyle. As I think it's evident, we've made important decisions over the last couple of months. I'm confident we're taking the right steps as we move forward with our two business segments and execute on the priorities. Our cash position is strong and we're disciplined in managing our capital to bridge the MRD business to profitability while supporting measured investments in Immune Medicine to advance our key programs. With that, I'll turn the call back over to the operator and open up for questions. Thank you.

Operator, Operator

Thank you. Our first call comes from the line of Mark Massaro from BTIG. Mark, your line is open.

Mark Massaro, Analyst

Hey, guys. Congrats on the quarter. Thank you for taking the question. I recognize it's only been about three or four weeks, but following the FDA, ADCOM meeting, or ODAC meeting, where multiple myeloma was recommended to be a unanimous primary endpoint in clinical trials for multiple myeloma. Can you just give us a sense for what you've been hearing in the marketplace? Any of your customers perhaps looking to pick things up a little bit on the clinical trial side? How do you envision this impacting your business over the next couple of years?

Chad Robins, CEO and Co-founder

Yes. Thanks, Mark, for joining the call. I'm going to pass it over to Susan, who can provide quite a bit of color on that. Susan.

Susan Bobulsky, COO

Thanks, Chad, thanks Mark. The ODAC vote, we think is a huge milestone in the field of myeloma and obviously tremendous news for patients. We have been in active discussions with our pharma partners to discuss the potential implications. While many companies are waiting for the final FDA guidance, which we do expect to be shortly forthcoming, we already have a few studies that have been upgraded to primary endpoint, as well as a few new studies where MRD is going to be used as a primary endpoint directly as a result of the ODAC vote. In general, as Chad outlined, we see some potential upside in a couple of areas. First of all, acceleration of primary endpoint milestones that have already been established in ongoing studies. Additionally, upgrading, as I mentioned, of trials that are currently secondary endpoints to primary endpoint status, which will both accelerate the realization of those milestones and also increase their value. And then potentially additional new bookings as pharma companies reprioritize their development programs to center more on myeloma. In the clinic, we've also had an opportunity to have quite a few conversations around this topic, and clinicians are universally very, very excited on behalf of their patients. They see a tremendous remaining unmet need. And they also acknowledge the strength that this recommendation coming directly from ODAC and ultimately likely from FDA provides to the credibility of MRD as a measure of clinical response and as a tool they can use in dialogue with their patients to individualize their care. We really do believe that there is potential for a halo effect in the clinic as well.

Mark Massaro, Analyst

Okay, that's great. And then it was nice to see the Moldex gap-fill rate of $1,823 per test. I think that is scheduled to go live, I think, January 2025. How are you thinking about commercial payers? Is that something that you can potentially initiate that dialogue ahead of the go-live date with Moldex? How should we think about that as an incremental driver to the business?

Susan Bobulsky, COO

Yes, absolutely, Mark. So you're correct that it will go live formally on January 1st after it's finalized later this year. We are already leveraging the published preliminary rate in conversation with commercial payers. So there are two implications. In the short term, we have several large non-contracted payers who have been holding out waiting for the PLA price to be published so that they could complete their negotiations on price with us. And so we've already engaged them to advance the negotiations. Of those, Ansem is a particularly large one that we're working with, utilizing the recently published price. Additionally, over time, we can use this price to re-approach existing contracted payers to potentially bring up contracted rates that we've previously negotiated if they are below the PLA price.

Chad Robins, CEO and Co-founder

And one other comment, Mark, it's worth noting, as we mentioned a couple of times, the preliminary pricing rate. Obviously, there's no promise that we continue to work with Moldex on finalizing the price and the episode structure.

Mark Massaro, Analyst

That's great. And then one last one for me. You took up the low end of the guide for MRD. I assume that's just cycling in the $4.5 million milestone that you realized in Q1. Just clarifying that, and then how should we think about the total contribution in MRD milestones for the full year?

Kyle Piskel, Chief Financial Officer

Yes, Mark, that's Kyle. Yes, the beat and the low end pull fully related to the milestones. As it relates to the go-forward, I'd say we continue to be conservative as we think about the milestones in our guide. We're not necessarily anticipating anything. We don't control the timing, and we'll see how it plays out throughout the rest of the year; it's still early.

Operator, Operator

Thank you very much. One moment while we gather our next question. Our next question comes from the line of David Westenberg from Piper Sandberg. David, your line is open.

David Westenberg, Analyst

Hi. Thank you for taking the question and congrats on all the progress here. I mean, that's a really nice update, the $1,823. It is higher than I remember. I think it was up $6,874. So it was like $1,700 a test, which is about a little over $100. Now, you said you think that you can have this be $200. So can you run us through the math that gets to $200 versus the other difference there? Also, I just want to have a clarification because the last payment was for four tests at that $6,870 rate. With this new rate, does that imply that it's kind of no open end? I mean, no closed end after that fourth test. And I just want more clarification on that. Thank you.

Chad Robins, CEO and Co-founder

Yes, maybe I'll start, Susan, if you want to add color, you can. Remember, the $200 in ASP raised over the next two years is a combination of multiple factors. We talked about reducing auto policy claims and non-contracted claims. And we're doing a lot of work operationally on revenue cycle management, faster collections. We're actually implementing AI in the appeals process. There's a whole bunch of things that we're doing just to collect money faster. So as Susan just mentioned, having the new gap bill per price test will also allow us to use that dollar amount to go and close some of those non-contracted claims gaps that will further enhance it. But if you look at the Medicare percentage of tests, this is, I would say, I'm going to call it right now a risky event to allow us to get to the $200. But it wasn't necessarily contemplated originally in that $200. So I want to be careful, but could represent some potential upside. But certainly, at least all we're looking at right now is at least de-risking, and we're quite confident that we're going to be able to get that $200 increase over the next two-year period. The second, I wasn't sure I totally understood your second question, David, if you could maybe ask it again.

David Westenberg, Analyst

If I'm not mistaken, your original rate was $6,870 for four tests. And I wasn't sure after the fourth, like the fifth test, did you get $1,750? I don't remember if you actually did. I kind of remembered you didn't, but I could be wrong. I mean, my memory was failing from time to time. So I was thinking if there's any update in terms of being able to get paid in perpetuity versus if there's like a fixed number, rate number of tests.

Chad Robins, CEO and Co-founder

Yes, so okay, a couple of comments here, David. On the Medicare episode structure, we don't get paid yet for what we'll call recurrence monitoring. That being said, we have a submission in right now in our first indication for mantle cell lymphoma that we have nice data on our first kind of recurrence monitoring test that could essentially, once a patient goes into remission, kind of sets a new bar on a per-test rate for Medicare. Separately, on commercial payers, we don't have a limitation on a per-case basis so we can get paid in perpetuity for as many tests as deemed medically necessary.

David Westenberg, Analyst

Got it. Okay. Thank you very much. And just as my follow-up, is there, I just want to be the ODAC meeting another really positive development here. Is there differences in behavior in the way MRD is used in clinical trials in pharma versus how it's used in clinical? And specifically, I'm kind of thinking about things like testing interval or testing in terms of timing and when the test is done. And the reason why I'm asking you this question is, does this have a chance to change behavior in the clinic in terms of maybe test frequency and use cases following greater usage in clinical trial and after I'm done after that?

Susan Bobulsky, COO

Sure. No, thanks, David, for the question. I mean, certainly we see that there are synergies in both directions between the MRD, pharma, and clinical use cases. And depending on the setting in which the trial is being performed, depending on the type of patients who are eligible for the study, the time points and frequency of testing can vary and may also vary in the clinic for those exact same reasons. So while there are no definitive differences that I would call out between clinical and pharma-based use of the test, certainly the use is customized to the particular need of the investigator or the clinician and patient. One thing, though, that I would call out is that in the clinic, blood-based testing has begun to really take shape with about 20% of our MRD tests now coming from blood and myeloma. That's something that pharmaceuticals have great interest in, but we have not yet really explored in depth. And I certainly think that with the incorporation of MRD and endpoint myeloma, there will be quite a few additional opportunities that will open up exploration of deeper sensitivity testing in pharma studies as well as potential use of blood moving forward.

David Westenberg, Analyst

Thank you. And I forgot to give Kyle a congrats on the new position. Thank you.

Kyle Piskel, Chief Financial Officer

Appreciate it. Thanks, David.

Operator, Operator

Thank you very much. One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Tom Stevens of TD Cowen. Tom, your line is open.

Tom Stevens, Analyst

Hey guys, thanks for taking the question here. Just one on kind of the EBITDA margins by segment and thank you for breaking that out. I guess it looks like today it's kind of negative 50 from about negative 100 last year and it looks like quite a big lift on an incremental basis to get the break-even by back half as kind of guided. Clearly, there are lots of tailwinds there. There's the pricing tailwind. There's the switch to the X, but I guess could you break out maybe in a more granular way for investors just how you get to that break-even by next year?

Chad Robins, CEO and Co-founder

Yes, I mean broadly, obviously the ASP initiatives are a big factor, margin improvements to reduce our kind of per volume test costs. And really the biggest driver is the leverage throughout our operating expenses both on the sales team and those margin profiles at the end of the day as we continue to grow ASPs and the pharma business.

Kyle Piskel, Chief Financial Officer

Yes, I mean, Tom, it's three things, right? It's raising the price per test. It's lowering the cost that we deliver each test and it's continuing to look at operating expenses. And we're doing all three. And you can see that we've made improvements and kind of reduced the operating expense for the year of $10 million. We continue to look at ways that we can kind of reduce expenses and gain leverage, and we will do so.

Tom Stevens, Analyst

Great. Go on, sorry.

Kyle Piskel, Chief Financial Officer

Just to reiterate, back half of $25 adjusted EBITDA at break-even, and then the cash flow is not till $26 just to make sure that we're clear.

Tom Stevens, Analyst

Yes, definitely. And then just a question on kind of blood. You mentioned it's now 20% of your multiple myeloma volumes. What reimbursement rate are you getting on blood versus your kind of more traditional bone marrow or spinal tap?

Susan Bobulsky, COO

Our reimbursement rates aren't distinguished by sample type. So our coverage policy, both for Medicare and for commercial payers, our sample has contact. So coverage applies both to bone marrow and to blood-based testing for myeloma.

Tom Stevens, Analyst

Wonderful. Thanks very much. I'll hop back in the queue.

Operator, Operator

Thank you very much. One moment for our next question, please. Our next question comes from Sung Ji Nam of Scotiabank. Sung, your line is open.

Unidentified Analyst, Analyst

Hey, this is Corey Rosenbaum on for Sung Ji. Thanks for taking my questions. So with the recent FDA ODAC recommendation during the meeting, there was a big discussion around the 10 to the minus 6 sensitivity threshold. Are any of the existing trials using clinical disease currently differentiating between 10 to the minus 5 and 10 to the minus 6? Just wondering how the industry may be able to start evaluating the differences between these two sensitivity thresholds. Thanks.

Susan Bobulsky, COO

Yes, thanks for the question, Corey. Absolutely. A number, increasingly, studies are being designed to differentiate between 10 to the fifth and 10 to the 6th sensitivity. And of course, clinical disease is really the singular assay that can deliver that level of sensitivity consistently with a reasonable sample input and with a standardization across patients. So what we are actually hearing from the investigators who were central to the preparations and the data that went into support for the ODAC meeting a couple of weeks ago, they acknowledged that most of the data historically that was able to be analyzed was at 10 to the negative 5th. But the group, the KOLs have moved on to 10 to the 6th as the real important standard threshold. And they are already anticipating pursuing additional engagements with the FDA over the coming months and years to move that threshold to 10 to the 6th over time.

Unidentified Analyst, Analyst

Awesome. Thank you. That's all for me. I'll head back to the queue.

Operator, Operator

Thank you very much. One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from Tejas Savant of Morgan Stanley. Tejas, your line is open.

Unidentified Analyst, Analyst

Hello, this is Hugo on for Tejas. Thank you for taking our questions. Where are you in the restructuring and resource allocation process to increase independence between the two reporting segments today? Are there any work that remains to be done heading into the back half or are they in good place operationally?

Chad Robins, CEO and Co-founder

I'd say 90% of the work has been done. In Q1 we realigned the workforce, and most of that was aligning operations and R&D investments around each of the businesses. That work is complete. We still have a little bit of transitory processes in extracting the Immune Medicine and Pharmacervic Services Lab from our production lab for the MRD business, but that's the only kind of remaining activity. So by and large, everything's done and we're operating in that vein today.

Unidentified Analyst, Analyst

Great. And then asking a question on the ODAC meeting. Following the adcom, how do you see FDA receptivity to discussing MRD as an endpoint in other HIEM indications? Are there particular features of MM trials that may not read through to other HIEM indications like ALL, CLL, or DLBCL?

Susan Bobulsky, COO

Thank you for the question. In fact, that's a question that was of great interest to us as well, and certainly we do anticipate that this FDA, likely FDA decision following the ODAC will pave the way for further discussion with the FDA about MRD as an endpoint in other indications. The one that investigators have expressed the most interest to us about is CLL, and that is one for which currently the thresholds that are utilized guidelines in many trials are 10 to the fourth. But just like in myeloma, there’s interest in continuing to move that threshold further to the benefit of patients. And so we're already actively engaging with investigators to talk about how we might essentially support those efforts, providing data and supporting studies that are already being designed. We've also had conversations with our pharma partners, and interestingly many of those who we've talked to with the intent of focusing on myeloma are actually taking a bigger picture view and looking across their portfolios to think about how they might proactively leverage MRD more prospectively in anticipation of the FDA potentially being more open to MRD data across hematologic malignancies in the forthcoming time.

Unidentified Analyst, Analyst

Great. Thank you very much.

Operator, Operator

Thank you very much. One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from Andrew Brackmann of William Blair. Andrew, your line is open.

Unidentified Analyst, Analyst

Hi everyone. This is Maggie Builian for Andrew today. I wanted to ask one on the progress of the EMR integration. I know you spoke to earlier some strong growth in the quarter from customers, but just wanted to know what feedback has been for the accounts that you've recently added, and then how many more accounts do you expect to be able to add this year, and then how is this factoring into gross assumptions?

Susan Bobulsky, COO

Yes. Thank you for your questions, Maggie. We are hearing very positive feedback. As you might imagine, it makes the assay significantly easier to use both from an ordering perspective and in terms of integrating the results directly into the patient's chart for clinical use. We have nine active projects that Chad mentioned currently in motion with IT departments at the specific sites. We have dozens of additional sites that are in conversation securing IT resources and going through various approval processes. We are ready to go with any account that's ready to move. I'll note that some of the accounts that are in active IT development are among our largest accounts. In fact, 15 of our 20 largest accounts are Epic customers, so we're very eager to move those forward and to ensure that a meaningful portion of our volume goes through Epic over the next one to two years. We do anticipate by the end of this year continuing to expect between 20 and 25 accounts to be integrated. That will represent somewhere between 15 and 20 percent of our volume we expect. We expect to continue to increase the speed whereby we can get these accounts up and running. Our most recent projects are trending towards about a seven-week timeline, which is really nicely aligned with industry standards for our integration.

Unidentified Analyst, Analyst

Great, thank you so much. And I wanted to ask another one on improving gross margins. One of the drivers to reach your profitability target frame are RD. Can you talk about the progress of some of the initiatives there, such as the transition to NovaSeq and the LIMS overhaul and how these are progressing? How should we be thinking about these driving improvements in gross margins over time? Thank you.

Chad Robins, CEO and Co-founder

Yes, I think first and foremost on the gross margins ASP initiatives, we're starting to see some of that pull through with some strong collections subsequent to the quarter. As it relates to the costing profile of the assay with the transition to NovaSeq, I think of that as a 25 event. We're still undergoing the development aspects of that and assessing that. I view that as a $25 event. Then I think the other thing to just note is overall as a company, we're going to continue to look at everything we can do to streamline operations and continue to gain leverage without increasing expenses to get to that profitability metric. So I think of leveraging our field force as just as important as what we do in the margin profile business.

Unidentified Analyst, Analyst

Great, thank you so much.

Operator, Operator

Thank you very much. At this time, I'm showing no further questions in the queue. This will conclude our question-and-answer session. Thank you for participating in today's conference. This does conclude the program. You may now disconnect.

Chad Robins, CEO and Co-founder

Thank you.