Earnings Call Transcript
Adaptive Biotechnologies Corp (ADPT)
Earnings Call Transcript - ADPT Q3 2023
Operator, Operator
Thank you for joining us. I would like to welcome everyone to Adaptive Biotechnologies' 2023 Third Quarter Earnings Call. All lines are muted to minimize background noise. After the speakers' remarks, we will have a question-and-answer session. I will now turn the call over to Karina Calzadilla, Head of Investor Relations. Karina, please proceed.
Karina Calzadilla, Head of Investor Relations
Thank you, Greg, and good afternoon, everyone. I would like to welcome you to Adaptive Biotechnologies third quarter 2023 earnings conference call. Earlier today, we issued a press release reporting Adaptive financial results for the third quarter of 2023. The press release is available at www.adaptivebiotech.com. We are conducting a live webcast of this call and we’ll be referencing a slide presentation that has been posted to the Investors section of our corporate website. During the call, management will make projections and other forward-looking statements within the meaning of federal securities laws regarding future events and the future financial performance of the Company. These statements reflect management’s current perspective of the business as of today. Actual results may differ materially from today’s forward-looking statements, depending on a number of factors, which are set forth in our public filings with the SEC and listed in this presentation. In addition, non-GAAP financial measures will be discussed during the call, and a reconciliation from non-GAAP to GAAP metrics can be found in our earnings release. Joining the call today are Chad Robins, our CEO and Co-founder; and Tycho Peterson, our Chief Financial Officer. Additional members from management will be available for Q&A. With that, I will turn the call over to Chad Robins. Chad?
Chad Robins, CEO
Thanks, Karina. Good afternoon, everybody, and thank you for joining us on our third quarter 2023 earnings call. This quarter marks a pivotal moment in Adaptive’s evolution. As we have previously shared, we have two compelling businesses in MRD and immune medicine. They are at different stages of maturity with different investment requirements, operating models and distinct value drivers. To maximize the full potential of each business, we have hired Goldman Sachs to assist with a review of strategic alternatives. We will provide clarity on the path forward by early next year. Why are we making this decision now? MRD is a pure play diagnostic business with strong modes supporting clonoSEQ’s established position as the gold standard in heme MRD. Its continued momentum and success will require focused commercial execution to drive increased penetration in current and new indications, as well as further investments in operational scale to solidify its path to profitability. In contrast, immune medicine is now fully focused on drug discovery, supported by a major achievement this quarter with the discovery of a novel target for multiple sclerosis. These data validate our target discovery approach in autoimmunity with the ability to unlock additional novel targets in multiple autoimmune indications. The combination of our drug discovery platform with Genentech in oncology and the discovery of this first novel autoimmune target gives us a clear path to successfully build a broad and differentiated therapeutics business. We are confident in the value these businesses can deliver to patients and shareholders and expect that this ongoing strategic review will yield the best path forward to maximize the respective potential in light of this process. And the evolution of our immune medicine business into a dedicated drug discovery model with a line of sight to long-term value creation, we are updating total company revenue guidance for the year, to exclude revenue from the immune medicine business. However, as you will hear from Tycho, we will provide you with MRD guidance for the remainder of 2023. Importantly, we continue to drive operational efficiencies throughout the organization. We completed the lab move this quarter, which is essential for future margin improvement and we maintain a healthy cash position with about $371 million in cash on the balance sheet. Let's now take a closer look at our MRD business, starting with clinical testing on Slide 4. clonoSEQ clinical testing continues to generate record high volumes quarter-over-quarter. This quarter, volume grew 10% sequentially and 56% versus the prior year to over 15,000 tests delivered. Growth came from all marketed indications with multiple myeloma as the largest contributor and the main growth driver. Ordering accounts and ordering healthcare providers grew 30% and 33% versus the prior year respectively. Business in the Community segment grew 25% quarter-over-quarter, contributing 21% of clonoSEQ volume in Q3 versus 13% a year ago. Blood-based testing increased in all indications and grew 14% sequentially, contributing 36% of all MRD tests. Included among the many presentations highlighting clonoSEQ data at ASH this year will be new evidence demonstrating the prognostic value of blood-based clonoSEQ testing in myeloma. Speaking of data, in Q3, we saw two important new clonoSEQ data sets published, one in mantle cell lymphoma where clonoSEQ’s deep sensitivity at ten to the six was shown to have prognostic power and one in pH positive ALL, where clonoSEQ was favorably compared to the current PCR-based monitoring standard. Last quarter, we saw downward pressure on our ASPs driven by well-understood factors. Actions we have taken to address these pressures are already beginning to contribute to positive ASP trends as we saw consistent month-over-month increases in Q3 and a 3% overall ASP growth versus Q2. These positive trends, I’m happy to say, are continuing into the fourth quarter. Our plan to further optimize ASP is focused on coverage expansion, growth in contracted lives, improvement in payer mix, and operational enhancements to improve collections. Specifically, we have invested in resources dedicated to claims management, transitioned the majority of our commercial payers to the new unique clonoSEQ CPT code and closed additional payer contracts and policy gaps. We are confident these and other plan initiatives will accelerate ASP growth for the next several years. In addition, Epic integration continues to progress. We launched our first site, UC Davis Health, this quarter, and we have four more sites that we anticipate launching by the end of 2023. We also have a vetted list of interested accounts and anticipate 20 to 25 sites integrated by the end of 2024. Revenue declined 4% in the quarter versus the prior year due to broader macroeconomic factors. Now, I'm actually looking at Slide 5 on MRD Pharma. Revenue declined 4% in the quarter versus the prior year due to broader macroeconomic factors impacting the biopharma industry. Like many of our peers, we are seeing pressure from some studies pausing or slowing down, while companies re-prioritize portfolios and specific assets. This has resulted in lower sample volume across our portfolio's perspective trials. Despite these transitory headwinds, the overall health of the business is strong with over $190 million in backlog anticipated by year-end. We launched an updated version of our ctDNA assay for use by biopharma partners in research and clinical trials for DLBCL. We plan to leverage the updated assay in our upcoming DLBCL FDA submission and deploy it for clinical testing and studies in other heme malignancies. We also continue to add meaningful partnerships to our portfolio. This week, we announced a new translational agreement with BeiGene to measure MRD across its pipeline. In summary, the setup for MRD is solid. Execution to drive top-line revenue growth while improving cost efficiencies is essential to drive this business towards profitability by 2025. Turning to Immune Medicine on Slide 6. As mentioned earlier, we achieved a key milestone in the discovery of a novel druggable target in multiple sclerosis. This target was discovered based on our unique ability to accurately identify a specific set of TCRs that are found only in MS patients. This MS target sheds light on potentially new T-cell biology that may be the trigger for this devastating disease. It also validates our novel target discovery approach, which uses our established drug discovery platform. This discovery was accelerated by our ability to accurately identify T-cell signatures of disease, which is enabled by combining our improved machine-learning AI model with models that we built with our partner Microsoft, and our existing TCR characterization capabilities. We're applying this exact same approach to discover novel targets in additional autoimmune disorders that we've strategically prioritized. Regarding our cancer cell therapy partnership with Genentech, this quarter, our early product development team has successfully built out a personalized process workflow in South San Francisco under regulated conditions. With the key building blocks now in place, we're starting end-to-end testing that defines the foundation for future clinical readiness of our fully personalized process. In summary, we continue to make great progress in our target and drug discovery programs in cancer and autoimmunity. Our immune medicine business remains laser-focused on executing additional key R&D and future clinical proof points that drive meaningful value inflections. For our partners and wholly-owned drug discovery pipeline. With that, I'll now pass it over to Tycho.
Tycho Peterson, CFO
Thanks, Chad. Turning to our financials on Slide 7, total revenue in the third quarter was $37.9 million with 65% from MRD and 35% from Immune Medicine representing a 21% decline from the same period last year. The MRD business overall has been strong, driven by high volume growth of clonoSEQ. The total revenue decline in Q3 was primarily driven by a 61% reduction in Genentech amortization and a 14% decrease in MRD Pharma and Immune Medicine Pharma Services due to the biopharma headwinds that we previously discussed, partially offset by strong clonoSEQ clinical performance. MRD revenue grew 24% from a year ago to $24.7 million. clonoSEQ clinical was the main driver with test volume, including international increasing 56% to 15,072 tests delivered from 9,649 tests in the same period last year. MRD Pharma declined 4% and no milestones were recognized in the quarter. Immune Medicine revenue was $13.3 million, down 52% from a year ago with lower Genentech amortization driving 85% of the decline. Immune Medicine Pharma Services, which saw a 29% decline versus the prior year also experienced downward pressure from biopharma. Moving down to P&L on Slide 8. Total gross margin for the quarter was 49%. The decline in gross margin versus the prior year was largely attributable to lower amortization of the Genentech upfront, which has 100% margin contribution and incremental one-time costs from the lab moves. Versus the second quarter, the decline was mainly driven by no milestones compared to the Genentech milestone we realized last quarter in addition to product mix tied to reduced pharma services and incremental costs from completion of the lab move. We continued to focus on optimizing operations to further enhance margins. This includes the implementation of a new LIMS ecosystem by mid-2024, which will allow us to reduce overhead and increase the productivity of direct labor in the lab. In addition, after completing a technical feasibility review, we will be switching from NextSeq to NovaSeq sequencers next year. We expect completion by late 2024, which will bring significant savings and material costs in 2025. Importantly, other OpEx, excluding cost of revenue declined 11% versus the prior year and 12% versus the prior quarter as we continue to be laser-focused on driving operating leverage and efficiencies across the organization. Interest expense from our royalty financing agreement with OrbiMed was $3.7 million, which was offset by interest and other income of $4.3 million. Net loss for the quarter was $50.3 million, compared to $45.3 million last year. We ended the quarter with approximately $371 million in cash, equivalents, and marketable securities. Now, turning to updated guidance on Slide 9. As Chad mentioned, given the ongoing strategic review, we are updating total company revenue guidance for 2023 to exclude Immune Medicine revenue. Going forward, Immune Medicine will resemble a more traditional drug discovery biotech model and we want to ensure that we do not trade-off short-term revenues for long-term value. Accordingly, we will not be providing revenue guidance for that business going forward. For MRD, we continue to expect clonoSEQ test volumes to grow over 50% for the full year versus 2022. ASPs in the fourth quarter are expected to grow mid-single-digits sequentially. We expect pharma services to continue experiencing downward pressure from biopharma industry spending in the fourth quarter and MRD milestones are expected to be in the low-single-digits. Putting it together, we expect total MRD revenue for 2023 to be in the range of $100 million to $105 million. As we continue to drive operating efficiencies, our total company full-year OpEx target, including cost of revenue, is expected to be around $375 million, a decrease of approximately 3% from last year. Cash flow for the third quarter was $46 million, and higher than anticipated due to lower pharma service revenues, but we expect the 4Q burn to be more normalized at around $35 million. Q3 had important achievements in both businesses, and we remain focused on driving execution while managing our spending prudently, as we closed the year and complete the strategic review.
Chad Robins, CEO
Thanks, Tycho. I am confident in the potential value of MRD and Immune Medicine, and we look forward to arriving at an optimal outcome that maximizes each business to best serve our patients and our shareholders. With that, I'd like to turn the call back over to the operator and open it up for questions.
Operator, Operator
Thank you. Our first question today comes from the line of Mark Massaro with BTIG. Mark, please go ahead.
Mark Massaro, Analyst
Hey guys. Thank you for the time and the questions. The first one is just, I guess, why now? I think there's been some discussion about synergies or lack thereof of the two businesses, just curious, why you're conducting this formal strategic review at this time? And maybe just any comments you have about the two businesses and should we read into this that there are just not parallel synergies between the two?
Chad Robins, CEO
Yeah, thanks, Mark. And we have been talking for the last 18 months about having two distinct business opportunities. We are evaluating all options with our partners at Goldman Sachs to maximize the value of both businesses. Really it's a fact that we have two distinct businesses and they're at different stages of maturity. They have different value drivers and they also have different investment requirements. I mean, if you look at the MRD business, it’s a commercial stage diagnostic business. It’s the gold standard in MRD. But that business is all about execution. And on the top line, we've got to drive volumes, increase ASPs, and on the cost side, it's about bringing down the cost of goods sold and achieving scale to get to profitability by 2025. But IM is a very different business. It's a much more traditional biotech business or therapeutics business. The business takes more time. It's really valued on its very high potential, but revenue at present isn't the driver. It's about generating data and developing assets, going through clinical trials, and showing additional proof points that are milestone and catalyst-driven. And it's become increasingly clear where each business is, it's really the natural point to look at a separation as MRD has now achieved that scale. At the same time, we've had what we consider a really nice breakthrough discovery in our platform in MS that we think is going to apply to multiple other autoimmune disorders. So now is the time, and we're ready to go.
Mark Massaro, Analyst
Okay, great. So obviously, I understand they've required different capital needs and investment, but as for why you're choosing to withdraw the Immune Medicine business from your guidance? I guess, can you maybe peel the onion back a little bit as for that reason?
Chad Robins, CEO
Yeah, a lot of it is because, if you look at MRD, which has a known trajectory, and we don’t want to trade off the short-term for long-term value creation in Immune Medicine. There are a number of deals we could do that we want to make sure we’re doing in the right context to really maximize the potential for long-term value of that business. And in some sense, being forced to do deals under certain time pressures and constraints would jeopardize value that would nurture our shareholders.
Mark Massaro, Analyst
Okay, great. And last one for me, I might have missed it, but can you just walk through the split between MRD revenue from clinical versus Pharma? Obviously, you talked about the pharma having some headwinds, but, and you certainly maintained your volume guide for 50% for the year. But maybe just any additional clarity on how you're thinking about the clinical versus pharma breakup?
Nitin Sood, Analyst
Yeah, yeah. So, I mean, just for – I mean, you're asking on the breakout in the third quarter? Or what we are expecting for the fourth quarter?
Mark Massaro, Analyst
Just both would be great, but I'll take either.
Nitin Sood, Analyst
Yeah, I mean, look, the clinical business, if you look at, so we didn't have any milestones there, right? If you looked at the U.S. obviously, it's about a 60/40 split overall. It's kind of the right math for this quarter between clinical and pharma. We mentioned pharma was down a little bit sequentially versus the same quarter. Clinical volumes showed a nice sequential step-up. And then, for the fourth quarter, it should be similar kind of 60/40 split.
Mark Massaro, Analyst
That's really helpful. Thanks guys.
Chad Robins, CEO
Okay. Thanks Mark.
Operator, Operator
And your next question comes from the line of Dan Brennan with TD Cowen. Dan, please go ahead.
Dan Brennan, Analyst
Great. Thanks. Thanks for the questions. Maybe the first one, just on this strategic review. It looks like there's a lot of options on the table. Is the idea that the Immune Medicine business, you'll look to sell that? Could that business come out as a standalone business and trade publicly? Or is there a potential that both businesses get sold? I'm just trying to think through, obviously, the press release discusses strategic options. Things are on the table. Just what are the permeations that are being considered?
Chad Robins, CEO
Yeah. Thanks, Dan. We are evaluating all options that are on the table that we think can maximize value. Obviously, we can't comment on any M&A at this time. All we can say, if you look at MRD, it's a differentiated business with a clear category-leading position with real strategic value. That provides us a range of viable options to pursue. Same thing on the Immune Medicine business. We believe we have some very differentiated targets and are moving forward on those which could be standalone businesses and could do very well as standalone publicly traded companies. But again, all options are on the table right now.
Dan Brennan, Analyst
Are there things without Immune Medicine on the MRD side that you guys would do differently in terms of, you want to get the profitability to balance sheet in good shape. I don't know what, but in terms, maybe you'd want to be more aggressive, maybe you want to get more scale, maybe you want to add another business. I don't know - when you think about MRD on its own operating like, are there strategically, how does that business look on its own?
Chad Robins, CEO
Yeah. That's a really great question. And actually, if you kind of peel back the onion a little bit to use your term, one of the main reasons we're doing this is really that we have dedicated focus on each one of the businesses. So, there’s been a competition for resources and mind share, et cetera. There are ways that we could potentially accelerate on the top line in MRD and at the same time, I think there are additional ways that we can achieve operating leverage in the model. And that is certainly something we would look to achieve by looking at these as standalone businesses.
Dan Brennan, Analyst
Maybe I'll sneak one more in. It - have you discussed pricing and the benefits there, could you just give us a sense of where pricing could head to with all the initiatives that you're making on the clonoSEQ side?
Tycho Peterson, CFO
I can just touch on the third quarter, and then maybe I'll hand it over, but, you know, we ended up just north of a $1,000. September was the highest month. I can say based on trends in October we’re confident fourth quarter is going to see this mid-single-digit increase that we mentioned in the prepared comments. So, the initiatives that we've implemented are working. But, Susan, do you want to maybe touch on that a little more?
Susan Bobulsky, Analyst
Yeah, we certainly see the opportunity for continued ASP increases and frankly, acceleration in the growth of ASP in 2024 and beyond. The ASP plan that Chad alluded to is focused again on coverage expansion, growth in contracted lives, shifts in our payer mix and operational enhancements to improve collections. We've undertaken already a number of initiatives that align to those categories, and we have quite a few more plans for launch in January and beyond. Through that, we expect to see an acceleration of the growth rate on ASP in 2024, and beyond that. We're not providing specific guidance. But we certainly see potential for continued improvements.
Dan Brennan, Analyst
Maybe I’ll squeeze another one. I'm sorry. MRD for ‘24 any early look? I mean, pharma is so uncertain. You've called it out, others have called it out, but maybe we're hopefully near a bottom here. Just any early way to think about ‘24 on the MRD side of the business? Thank you.
Chad Robins, CEO
Yeah. We're not providing specific guidance yet for ’24. I can tell you though from the clinical business standpoint, we continue to see, not only the ASP growth that Tycho and Susan just alluded to, but our volumes continue to grow. And we do expect another great year in terms of volume growth in 2024.
Nitin Sood, Analyst
It might be worth mentioning, we also had a significant backlog in MRD pharma, $190 million that build bodes well for the future health of the business.
Dan Brennan, Analyst
Great. Thank you.
Operator, Operator
Thanks, Dan. And our next question comes from the line of Rachel Vatnsdal with JP Morgan. Rachel, please go ahead.
Unidentified Analyst, Analyst
Hey, this is Noah on for Rachel. Thanks for taking my question. Just reframing some of the topics we've touched on here a little bit more specifically. Understand your refocusing here on the MRD business. Can you give us a sense of the levers you can possibly pull to continue protecting and strengthening the balance sheet? It seems like the quarter had some decent bright spots. For example, excluding some one-time costs in the lab move, gross margins in Q3 were 55% versus that 49%. And then, also you've noted that the switch from the NextSeq to NovaSeq project is ongoing and to be a meaningful cost saver. So, could you give us any sort of quantitative sense as to how much some of these cost-saving mechanisms could protect your margins and manage your cash burn heading into next year, assuming we're just looking at the MRD business? And then if you want to loop in any updated thoughts and remind us of how that OrbiMed deal could play into that math? I have additional bullets. Thank you.
Nitin Sood, Analyst
Sure. And hey, Noah. Good to hear from you. So, couple thoughts on margins this quarter, milestones are a big factor, it's coming 100%. We didn't have any milestones this quarter. We had lower Genentech amortization also impacted us. But importantly, we finalized the lab move and that did have some one-time costs in the quarter. If you exclude the lab move costs, gross margins would work closer to 55%. So, just looking at it a little bit sequentially, the Genentech milestone we saw in the second quarter was $7.5 million, again, no milestone in the third quarter. There was some product mix impact; Pharma Services has higher margin. As we discussed on the call, that’s lower than expected. Going forward, we're fairly comfortable that business at scale is a 70 plus percent margin business. We've got a number of initiatives. We've got a LIMS overhaul we talked about. There will be labor and workforce efficiencies on the back of that. You mentioned the switch to NextSeq. That really will benefit us in 2025. We'll kind of implement it in the latter part of 2024. But I would really think about that contributing in 2025. Like other lab businesses, a 70 plus percent gross margin at scale is easily doable for our business overall.
Tycho Peterson, CFO
The other thing is, as we move labs from one building to another, we continue to look at the real estate portfolio. We're looking at ways to kind of offload one of our buildings, which will provide additional leverage.
Nitin Sood, Analyst
Within the MRD business, I know just one follow-up. You might ask it on MRD specifically, we think that business can be profitable in 2025.
Unidentified Analyst, Analyst
That was my next question. So I was just thinking like, if we are looking at just the core MRD business, like you think, yes, would you like to sort of talk about the hitting potential growth rates like the 2022 to the 2027 revenue, CAGR at 20 to 30, or EBITDA margin breakeven in 2025, or cash flow breakeven in 2026 on just the core MRD business? And then, I have one last one.
Chad Robins, CEO
Yeah, I mean, again, we think MRD can be profitable in 2025. We've kind of given you a number of the components around how we are thinking about ASPs increasing and volume growth over 50% this year and it should be sustainable. The law of larger numbers obviously starts to factor in as you get further out. We're very comfortable that this will continue to be high in the double-digits in terms of volume growth overall.
Unidentified Analyst, Analyst
Awesome. Okay. And then related to that, like law of large numbers saying, can you talk about if you thought about any of the closest core MRD adjacencies that you know, maybe you could move into or pull forward some of the investment in those to be in the near term as part of your overall TAM story? Maybe not officially areas that you're definitively going into, but maybe some areas you consider as potential portfolio adjacencies that could be easy growth drivers as we sort of think about refreshing the long-term growth story here?
Chad Robins, CEO
Susan, do you want to take that?
Susan Bobulsky, Analyst
Sure. We have looked at a number of adjacencies. I mean, first and foremost and those most obvious ones are other lymphoma malignancies in which we have not commercialized the assay. Additional non-Hodgkin's lymphoma indications in particular. We do have plans in place to move forward with commercialization, including securing reimbursements from Medicare and private cares over the next couple of years. Additionally, there are adjacencies in the myeloid malignancies and for absent other tumors. And at this time, we are exploring opportunities in the myeloid space, very early stages to understand the feasibility of particular technologies and the opportunity. And then in the solid tumor space, we have done some review, but have no plans at this time.
Unidentified Analyst, Analyst
Awesome. Thank you so much. Really appreciate you for taking the questions.
Chad Robins, CEO
Thanks, Noah.
Operator, Operator
And our next question comes from the line of Tejas Savant. Tejas, please go ahead.
Unidentified Analyst, Analyst
Good evening guys. This is Edmond on for Tejas. Thank you for taking my questions. I just wanted to touch upon the EMR integration with some of your pilot sites now live. I know you guys haven't talked about volume contentious really inflecting in 2024. But what have you seen so far in terms of volume inflection at these sites?
Susan Bobulsky, Analyst
Sure. Thanks for the question, Edmond. We only have one site live as of today and not quite two months of experience with that site. But what I can say is that we have seen growth in that account in that short time in HTP users, as well as in volumes. Additionally, that site’s positive feedback has led them to expand the scope of the integration previously, limited to the outpatient setting now expanding to inpatient and including the potential to place standing orders which are new features they've added to the initial go live. We have four more sites scheduled to go live by the end of this year. So we'll be able to start getting more robust, albeit it’s still anecdotal evidence to support an understanding of how Epic may contribute to growth in 2024 and beyond. We expect to have as many as 25 sites live by the end of ‘24, at which point, I think we will be more well-positioned to comment on likely growth opportunities. But we do expect a lift on Epic - other companies who have implemented Epic have seen a lift, and we will be eager to comment further when we have a little more evidence.
Unidentified Analyst, Analyst
Got it. That was super helpful. And then, just wanted to clarify, I think you guys have just commented that you anticipate about $190 million in backlog, by year-end for the trial side of the business. What are your expectations between the mix between pharma and smids in the backlog and between retrospective and prospective trial mix?
Susan Bobulsky, Analyst
Should it between pharma – what? I am sorry. Well I can't comment, the majority of new studies that we book. When you ask about prospective and retrospective, the more agility we have prospective studies, and we expect that to continue to be the case.
Chad Robins, CEO
Yeah, we don't have a mix, but I will also say, the majority of our client profile is large cap pharma and not smids and small cap, although we certainly do have a - I would say kind of call it 15% to 20% that you would classify as smids. But the majority are large pharma.
Unidentified Analyst, Analyst
Got it. And then, with the ASH Conference just around the corner in December. Are there some key publications, presentations, or data points that we should be watching out for?
Susan Bobulsky, Analyst
Yes, indeed. In particular, we are excited about some data that's going to be presented by investigators from the University of Chicago on the use of our assay in blood. In this particular study, clonoSEQ sees that early time points during first-line therapy in multiple myeloma to assess response in both blood and bone marrow. To compare that assessment to the commonly used serum biochemical markers that are part of traditional myeloma response assessment criteria. This study will show that clonoSEQ in blood is strongly prognostic of outcomes and provides greater insights than traditional blood-based markers. The authors have suggested in the abstract, which is now available publicly, that the insights gained from this work could be useful in the future, if validated, to inform treatment intensification in MRD positive myeloma patients. So, we expect to leverage that data to advance the adoption of our blood-based testing in myeloma by reducing it to help guide the use of interim blood-based testing as a complement to marrow and by showcasing the favorable prognostic comparison when you measure early response with clonoSEQ in blood versus serum biomarkers in blood.
Unidentified Analyst, Analyst
Got it. Thank you for the time today.
Chad Robins, CEO
Thanks, Edmond.
Operator, Operator
And our next question comes from Salveen Richter with Goldman Sachs. Salveen, please go ahead.
Unidentified Analyst, Analyst
Hi, this is Lydia on for Salveen. Thanks so much for taking our question. So we just have one on the Immune Medicine business. You noted that a novel target has been identified in MS. So what are the next steps for this program? And what is the path to monetization here? And then, can you just discuss the forward growth outlook for this business more broadly? Thank you.
Chad Robins, CEO
Yeah. Sharon, I will turn it over to you to answer that.
Sharon Benzeno, Analyst
Yeah, hi, thanks for the question. So yeah, we're excited. As we mentioned, we've been focusing on identifying novel targets in autoimmunity and multiple sclerosis is the first lead program where we've identified that novel target. We're actively confirming and continuing to validate both in vitro and in vivo MS disease models. Ultimately, building out a pre-clinical package to drop to the target. That's in MS. Now that we've unlocked and proven out this approach in a massive course. In parallel, our pipeline includes other autoimmune disorders. Our goal overall is to eventually be able to bring therapies against these targets into the clinic either on our own or with a partner.
Unidentified Analyst, Analyst
Thanks so much.
Chad Robins, CEO
Thanks, Lydia.
Operator, Operator
And our next question comes from the line of David Westenberg with Piper Sandler. David, please go ahead.
David Westenberg, Analyst
Hi, thank you for taking the question. So just had a question on the immune medicine business, in terms of inbound interest or conversations that you had with what could be considered strategic partners but maybe could be customers right now? Have they desired any kind of exclusivity on certain kinds of work you've done in pharma or any other kind of inbound or strategic conversations you've had? I know that some of that sensitive, but any kind of color there would be great.
Chad Robins, CEO
Hey, David. The only thing I could say at this time is, from the discussions we've had under confidentiality regarding the work we've done on the MS target, there's a tremendous amount of excitement to look at ways that we may partner. And as we said, going under a strategic review, part of the rationale for not doing short-term deals is assessing what the optimal partnership is if we go down that route versus developing the asset further ourselves. More broadly on the immune business, whether exclusivity and non-exclusivity really can't be commented on specific deal structures at this time.
David Westenberg, Analyst
Gotcha. And sort of I missed it. I've been in and out of Wi-Fi connection and phone connection on. Was there any kind of data with this that we had with the MS? And is there any kind of parameters we should look like in terms of - I don't even know what they would be quantitatively like sensitivity, specificity, I'm a diagnostic guy. So, I do tend to think of things that way. But anything we should look for in the data that says this is going to be really, really exciting. Just help us frame that.
Chad Robins, CEO
Sharon, if you can take that, that’d be great.
Sharon Benzeno, Analyst
Yeah, absolutely. So as you can imagine, we have a lot of data, which gives us confidence about the targets we've identified and we are continuing to generate that data to further validate, including in the pre-clinical setting. Our plan is to publish on these new findings. Importantly, because of this novel discovery, we've focused and have submitted this quarter full core patent applications that protect our findings in MS. This also includes data on potential new T-cell biology we've uncovered that informs how the immune system attacks normal healthy cells and in the case of MS, possibly triggers the disease. So, a lot of data forthcoming that we are excited to share when appropriate.
David Westenberg, Analyst
Thank you for taking my questions.
Chad Robins, CEO
Thanks, David.
Operator, Operator
And our final question today comes from the line of Derik de Bruin with Bank of America. Derik, please go ahead.
Unidentified Analyst, Analyst
Afternoon. This is John on for Derik. Lots been covered, but I wanted to ask on the macro. Great to hear on the bookings. But in terms of the pharma - the continuing pharma pressure, I was wondering if you think there would be some sort of a budget flush in 4Q. And what's your expectation there? And do you see that turning around in the next couple quarters? Or do you perhaps see that turning around maybe like in the second half of ’24?
Sharon Benzeno, Analyst
Yes. Thanks for the question, John. Typically in Q4, you are right, that we do experience higher volumes in revenue as pharma companies flush out their budgets. But that said, given the industry softening we've been observing lately, we don't anticipate as big of a lift this year in Q4. That said, importantly we still do have a very significant backlog and healthy bookings. We haven't seen a lot of studies being canceled. So, our backlog has grown and we believe that most of the prioritization is being completed. We expect the higher backlog that we feel will be 20% higher than last year will lead to revenue growth in 2024 and beyond.
Unidentified Analyst, Analyst
Got you. Appreciate it. And then, just wanted to ask you what you've talked about the moving pieces of the ASP, but the long-term target of $1,600 in 2027. Is that, does that still stand?
Chad Robins, CEO
Yeah, we are reconfirming the long-term targets and are making great strides to get there.
Unidentified Analyst, Analyst
Awesome. Thank you.
Chad Robins, CEO
Great. Thank you. Operator, any other questions?
Operator, Operator
My apologies. It would help as I would talk unmuted. No, there are no further questions. Did you have any closing remarks folks?
Chad Robins, CEO
No. Thank you for joining the call.
Operator, Operator
Thank you. And ladies and gentlemen, that concludes today's call. Thank you all for joining and you may now disconnect. Have a great day, everyone.