Earnings Call Transcript
AMPHENOL CORP /DE/ (APH)
Earnings Call Transcript - APH Q3 2024
Operator, Operator
Hello, and welcome to the third quarter earnings conference call for Amphenol Corporation. Following today's presentation, there will be a formal question-and-answer session. Until then, all lines will remain in a listen-only mode. At the request of the company, today's conference is being recorded. If anyone has any objections, you may disconnect at this time. I would now like to introduce today's conference host, Mr. Craig Lampo. Sir, you may begin.
Craig Lampo, CFO
Thank you very much. Good afternoon, everyone. This is Craig Lampo, Amphenol's CFO; and I'm here together with Adam Norwitt, our CEO. We would like to welcome you to our third quarter 2024 conference call. Our third quarter results were released this morning and I will provide some financial commentary, and then Adam will give an overview of the business and current market trends. And then, of course, we will take questions. As a reminder, during the call, we may refer to certain non-GAAP financial measures and make certain forward-looking statements, so please refer to the relevant disclosures in our press release for further information. In addition, as a result of our previously announced two-for-one stock split completed in June of this year, all share and per share data discussed on this earnings call is on a split-adjusted basis. The company closed the third quarter of 2024 with record sales of $4.39 billion and record GAAP and adjusted diluted EPS of $0.48 and $0.50, respectively. Third quarter sales were up 26% in US dollars in local currencies and 15% organically compared to the third quarter of 2023. Sequentially, sales were up 12% in US dollars, 11% in local currencies and 8% organically. Adam will comment further on trends by market in a few minutes. Orders in the quarter were a record $4.412 billion, up 39% compared to the prior year and up 9% sequentially, resulting in a strong book-to-bill ratio of 1.09:1. GAAP operating income was $819 million and included $64 million of acquisition-related costs in the quarter, primarily related to CIT. GAAP operating margin was 20.3%. Excluding these costs, adjusted operating income was $883 million, resulting in a record adjusted operating margin of 21.9% in the third quarter of 2024. On an adjusted basis, operating margin increased by 110 basis points from the prior year quarter and 60 basis points sequentially. The year-over-year increase in adjusted operating margin was primarily driven by strong operating leverage on higher sales volumes, which was partially offset by the dilutive impact of acquisitions completed in the prior 12 months. On a sequential basis, the increase in adjusted operating margin reflected strong conversion on the higher sales levels, partially offset by the dilutive impact of acquisitions, in particular, CIT, which closed during the second quarter. I am very proud of the company's operating margin performance in the third quarter, which reflects continued strong execution by our teams. Breaking down the third quarter results by segment compared to the third quarter of 2023, sales in the Harsh Environment Solutions segment were $1.194 billion and increased by 35% in US dollars and 3% organically, and segment operating margin was 23.8%. Sales in the Communications Solutions segment were $1.685 billion and increased by 32% in US dollars and 30% organically, and segment operating margin was 25.6%. And sales in the Interconnect and Sensor Systems segment was $1.160 billion, an increase of 12% in US dollars and 6% organically. Segment operating margin was 18.8%. The company's GAAP effective tax rate for the third quarter was 21.4%, and the adjusted effective tax rate was 24%, which compared to 18.2% and 24% in the third quarter of 2023. GAAP Diluted EPS was a record $0.48 in the third quarter, up 17% compared to the prior year period, and on an adjusted basis, diluted EPS increased 28% to a record $0.50 compared to $0.39 in the third quarter of 2023. Operating cash flow in the third quarter was $704 million or 117% of net income. And net of capital spending, our free cash flow was $476 million or 79% of net income. And as expected, our capital spending was somewhat elevated in the quarter due to investments we are making to support the strong growth we are seeing in IT datacom and defense markets. In the fourth quarter, we expect to continue to have somewhat elevated levels of capital spending to further support our growth in these markets. From a working capital standpoint, inventory days, days sales outstanding and payable days were 87, 69 and 59 days, respectively, all within normal levels. During the quarter, the company repurchased 2.7 million shares of common stock at an average price of approximately $65, and when combined with our normal quarterly dividend, total capital returned to our shareholders in the third quarter of 2024 was $308 million. Total debt on September 30 was $5.5 billion, and net debt was $3.9 billion, and total liquidity at the end of the quarter was $4.6 billion, which included cash and short-term investments on hand of $1.6 billion, plus availability under our existing credit facilities. In addition, we expect quarterly interest expense net of interest income earned on cash on hand to be approximately $45 million in the fourth quarter of 2024. Excluding acquisition-related costs, third quarter 2024 EBITDA was $1.30 billion. And at the end of the third quarter of 2024, net leverage ratio was 1.0 times. I will now turn the call over to Adam, who will provide some commentary on current market trends.
Adam Norwitt, CEO
Well, thank you very much, Craig, and thank you all for joining our call here on a very beautiful fall day in Wallingford, Connecticut. And I hope that all of you are enjoying a very nice fall so far. As Craig mentioned, I'm going to highlight our achievements here in the third quarter. And in particular, we'll discuss the trends and progress across our served markets. And then I'll comment on our outlook for the fourth quarter and the full year 2024, and of course, we'll have some time at the end for questions. Our results in the third quarter were really strong and actually stronger than expected, exceeding the high end of our guidance in sales and adjusted diluted earnings per share. Sales grew from the prior year by a very strong 26% in US dollars and in local currencies, reaching a new record of $4.39 billion. We're very proud to have that new sales record. On an organic basis, our sales did increase by 15%, driven by growth in the IT datacom, mobile networks, mobile devices, commercial air, and defense end markets, and I'll talk about those details in a few moments. The company also booked record orders of $4,412 billion, representing a robust book-to-bill of 1.09:1. This was also driven especially by continued strength in the IT datacom market. Our adjusted operating margins reached a new record, 21.9%, in the quarter, and this represented a 110-basis-point increase from last year's third quarter. Adjusted diluted EPS grew 28% from the prior year to reach a new record, $0.50, in the third quarter. And then finally, we generated operating and free cash flow of $704 million and $476 million, respectively, in the quarter, and this is yet another clear demonstration of the high quality of the company's earnings. I just have to say, I'm extremely proud of the Amphenol team. Our results this quarter, once again, reflect the strength of our entrepreneurial organization as we continue to outperform in any environment. Now, just here in early October, we're very pleased to have closed on the previously announced acquisition of Lutze Europe. Lutze is based in Germany with annual sales of approximately $100 million, and it's a leading provider of harsh environment cable and cable assembly solutions for diverse applications in the industrial markets. The Lutze Europe acquisition is a great complement to our broad offering of high-technology interconnect products for the worldwide industrial market. And together with Lutze US, it strengthens our range of value-add interconnect products for this very important market. In addition, we remain excited about the pending acquisition of the Andrew businesses from CommScope, and we now expect that transaction to close in the first quarter of 2025. We remain confident that our acquisition program will continue to create great value for Amphenol. Our ability to identify and execute upon acquisitions and then to successfully bring these new companies into the Amphenol family remains a core competitive advantage for the company. Now turning to our served markets. We're once again pleased that the company's end market exposure remains highly diversified, balanced, and broad. Now this diversification, no question, continues to create great value for Amphenol because it enables us to participate across all areas of the global electronics industry, while not being disproportionately exposed to the volatility of any given market or application. Now starting out with the defense market, it represented 11% of our sales in the quarter, and sales grew from prior year by a strong 16% in US dollars and 8% organically. This was driven by growth across most segments of the defense market with contributions, especially from space, aircraft and avionics, communications, and ground vehicle applications. Sequentially, our sales grew by 4%, which was in line with our expectations coming into the quarter. As we now look into the fourth quarter, we expect sales in the defense market to increase moderately from these third-quarter levels. And for the full year 2024, we expect a mid-teens increase in sales. We remain encouraged by the company's strengthening position in the defense market, where we continue to offer the industry's widest range of high-technology interconnect products. Amidst the current dynamic geopolitical environment, countries around the world are expanding their spending on both current and next-generation defense technologies. With our investments in the development of a broad array of new products, as well as, very importantly, the capacities to build those products, we're well positioned to capitalize on this long-term demand potential. The commercial air market represented 6% of our sales in the quarter, and we had another strong quarter in commercial air with sales increasing by 123% from prior year in US dollars and 12% organically, as we benefited from the addition of CIT, which we closed back in the second quarter, as well as continued progress in expanding our content on next-generation commercial aircraft. Compared to the second quarter, sales increased by 37% sequentially, and were up slightly on an organic basis, and this was modestly lower than our expectations coming into the quarter. Looking to the fourth quarter, we expect a high single-digit increase in sales. And for the full year 2024, we expect sales to increase by more than 80% from last year, driven by the addition of CIT, as well as robust organic growth. I'm truly proud of our team working in the commercial air market. With the ongoing growth in demand for jet liners, our efforts to strengthen our product offering while diversifying our market position into next-generation aircraft are paying real dividends. We continue to see great long-term opportunities for the expansion of our technology offering into this important market and look forward to realizing the benefits of our growth initiatives for many years to come. The industrial market represented 23% of our sales in the quarter and sales in the quarter grew by 24% in US dollars from prior year, as we benefited from acquisitions. On an organic basis, our sales were flat, as growth in alternative energy, instrumentation, medical, and rail mass transit solutions was offset by reduced demand in factory automation, heavy equipment, transportation, and oil and gas. Sequentially, our sales did increase by 9% from the second quarter and were up 3% organically, which was somewhat better than our expectations coming into the quarter. While we are encouraged to see stronger growth in North America and Asia, demand in Europe did again slow this quarter. Accordingly, looking into the fourth quarter, we do expect sales to moderate from these third-quarter levels. And for the full year 2024, we expect sales to grow in the low double digits, with the benefit of acquisitions partially offset by an organic moderation of sales. With the additions this year of CIT and LÜTZE, we now have an even broader range of products and capabilities to offer customers across the diversified industrial market. I'm confident that our long-term strategy to expand our high-technology interconnect antenna and sensor offerings, both organically and through complementary acquisitions, has positioned us to capitalize on the many electronic revolutions that will no doubt continue to occur across the industrial market. And this creates exciting opportunities for outstanding teams working around the world. The automotive market represented 19% of our sales in the quarter, and sales grew by 4% in US dollars and were flat organically. Similar to the industrial market, while we did grow in North America and Asia in the automotive market, our sales in Europe declined from prior year. Sequentially, our sales increased by 4% from the second quarter, which was a bit better than our expectations coming into Q3. For the fourth quarter, we expect sales to decline modestly from these third-quarter levels. And for the full year 2024, we expect sales to increase in the mid-single-digit range compared to the prior year. I remain proud of our team working in the automotive market. While there are some areas of the automotive market that have shown some signs of slowing, our team remains focused on driving new design wins with customers who are implementing a wide array of new technologies into their vehicles. These include electrified drivetrains as well as a multitude of other exciting applications, and we look forward to benefiting from our strong position in the automotive market for many years to come. The mobile devices market represented 10% of our sales in the quarter. Sales increased by 18% in US dollars and 17% organically, and this was really driven by broad-based strength across applications in the mobile devices market. Sequentially, our sales increased by a much stronger-than-expected 38% and that was driven also by higher sales across all segments of the mobile devices market. Looking to the fourth quarter, we expect our sales to remain at these higher levels. And for the full year, we anticipate sales to be up in the high single-digit range compared to 2023. I'm very proud of our team working in the always dynamic mobile devices market as their agility and reactivity have once again enabled us to capture incremental sales in the quarter. I'm confident that with our leading array of antennas, interconnect products, and mechanisms designed in across a broad range of next-generation mobile devices, we are well positioned for the long term. The mobile networks market represented 3% of our sales in the quarter, and sales grew by a strong 22% in US dollars and 19% organically, as we continue to see a recovery in demand from both mobile network operators as well as wireless equipment manufacturers. On a sequential basis, our sales increased by 1%, which was a bit better than our expectations coming into the quarter. For the fourth quarter, we now expect sales to decline seasonally in the mid-teens. And for the full year, we anticipate sales to grow in the high single-digit range versus last year. We're encouraged by the recent strengthening in the mobile networks market. As operators ramp up their investments in next-generation systems, our team remains focused on realizing the benefits of our long-term efforts to expand our position in next-generation equipment and networks around the world. With the pending acquisition of the Andrew businesses from CommScope, we look forward to participating even more strongly in these networks for many years to come. The IT datacom market represented 25% of our sales in the quarter. Sales in IT datacom grew in the quarter by a very strong 60% in US dollars and 59% organically, and this was driven by the continued acceleration in demand for our products used in artificial intelligence applications, together with robust growth in our base IT datacom business. On a sequential basis, sales increased by 15% from the second quarter, substantially better than our expectations coming into the quarter. As we look towards the fourth quarter, we do expect a further mid-single-digit sequential increase from these third-quarter levels. And for the full year 2024, we expect sales in IT datacom to grow by more than 50% compared to 2023. I have to say that we're more encouraged than ever by the company's position in the global IT datacom market. Our team who is just doing an amazing job around the world in securing future business on next-generation IT systems, particularly those enabling AI, there's no doubt that this revolution in AI has created a unique opportunity for the interconnect industry and for Amphenol given our leading high-speed and power interconnect products. Whether high-speed, power, or fiber optic interconnect, our products are critical components in these next-generation networks, and this continues to create a long-term growth opportunity for Amphenol. Finally, the broadband market represented 3% of our sales in the quarter, and sales were down by 15% in US dollars and 14% organically as broadband operators continued to moderate their procurement levels. On a sequential basis, sales were down 3%, which was roughly in line with our expectations coming into the quarter. For the fourth quarter, we expect a further high single-digit reduction in sales, and for the full year 2024, we expect a mid-teens sales decline from the prior year. Regardless of this current more muted demand environment, we remain encouraged by the company's position in the broadband market, and we look forward to continuing to support our service provider customers around the world when they resume growing their investments to expand bandwidth and coverage to their enterprise and consumer customers. Now turning to our outlook and obviously, assuming the continuation of current market conditions as well as constant exchange rates. For the fourth quarter, we expect sales in the range of $3.950 billion to $4.50 billion and adjusted diluted EPS in the range of $0.48 to $0.50. This would represent a sales increase of 19% to 22%, and an adjusted diluted EPS increase of 17% to 22% compared to the fourth quarter of 2023. Our fourth quarter guidance represents an expectation for full-year sales of $14.855 billion to $14.955 billion, as well as full-year adjusted diluted EPS of $1.82 to $1.84. This outlook would represent full-year sales and adjusted EPS increases of 18% to 19% and 21% to 22%, respectively. This has been a very strong year for Amphenol thus far in 2024 and I remain confident in the ability of our outstanding management team to adapt to the many opportunities and challenges in the current environment and to continue to grow our market position while driving sustainable and strong profitability through this year and into the long term. And finally, I'd like to take this opportunity to thank our entire global team for their truly outstanding efforts here in the third quarter. There's no doubt that they worked extremely hard to deliver, especially this level of growth, and I'm truly grateful to them. And with that, operator, we'd be happy to take any questions.
Operator, Operator
Thank you. We will now begin the question-and-answer session. Our first question is from Andrew Buscaglia with BNP. Please go ahead.
Andrew Buscaglia, Analyst
Hey, good morning, guys.
Adam Norwitt, CEO
Good morning.
Andrew Buscaglia, Analyst
So obviously, a very robust quarter for IT datacom. And even you said slightly better than maybe you expected. So I think last quarter you were alluding to IT datacom, the non-AI portion, also starting to improve. So could you help us parse out how much of this sequential improvement is from AI versus non-AI?
Adam Norwitt, CEO
Yeah. Well, Andrew, thanks so much for the question. Look, I think we did start last quarter being the second quarter to see a little bit of stronger performance. And I would tell you here in the third quarter, the underlying IT datacom, obviously, with the caveat that it's not always exactly easy to tell what product goes into what application. But our best assessment of it is that the underlying IT datacom market did show actually very, very strong growth this quarter. Now I will tell you that roughly the AI-products that we sell into AI represented a bit more than half of our overall year-over-year growth and about the same in terms of sequential. So, very strong performance for anything related to AI. We have a very significant position in AI, as you know well, but we were encouraged, very encouraged to see that the underlying IT datacom demand has grown. And there's no doubt that there is today a real rush to equip data centers, enterprises, consumers, service providers with this next-generation compute power with all the switching that's associated with that and the like. And I think that is driving a bit of a recovery in these products in quite a significant way for us here in the quarter.
Operator, Operator
Thank you. Our next question is from Luke Junk with Baird. You may go ahead.
Luke Junk, Analyst
Great. Good afternoon. Thanks for taking the question. Adam, just hoping to double click on your automotive business. Clearly, a very dynamic market right now in terms of overall production volatility. You mentioned Europe, especially EV moderation, et cetera. Just given that backdrop, be curious what you're seeing in terms of the bookings pipeline right now, especially relative to your ability to continue to drive growth above market at or above the levels the company has driven historically. Is the market constraining your growth potential at all right now? Or are the OEMs actually need more help from Amphenol in this environment? I appreciate the perspective.
Adam Norwitt, CEO
Well, thanks so much, Luke. I mean a lot to unwrap there, but let me say this. I mean, I'm really proud of our team in automotive. I mean, on a year-to-date basis, we've just done a fabulous job of continuing to outperform and navigating what, as you term, is a very much so a dynamic worldwide automotive market. And these dynamics are sort of multifaceted. There's the dynamic of drivetrain choice, and I'm not going to go down that rabbit hole, but for sure, the world is talking about this. There's also the dynamic of just overall demand in certain geographies and, in particular, Europe, where it's been widely reported, and I'm probably not the first to say that there are some challenges in the overall European demand in automotive. And we see that on a related basis, I think in industrial. But what I'm really pleased with is, if you look this quarter, we did have still robust growth in Asia and North America on an organic basis on a year-over-year basis and that was offset in part at least by a moderation in Europe. So to your specific question about content and Amphenol continuing to outperform, we have every confidence that the momentum that we've had in gaining content, enabling new applications with our customers around the world, whether those be next-generation drivetrains, whether those be next-generation electronics in cars, connectivity, communications, antennas, sensors and the like, the breadth of the product offerings that we have, the capabilities to fulfill those offerings on a global basis, continues to put us in a very strong position with automotive OEMs, the world over. And our team just has to navigate those dynamics as they are. But the good news is, regardless of whether something is made in Europe, made in Asia, made in North America, regardless of whether something is a full electric vehicle, a hybrid or a full internal combustion engine, there is continuing to be a proliferation of electronics across all of those cars. And so it's up to us to make sure that we continue to drive our next-generation products into those platforms around the world. And I'm confident that our team is well positioned to do that.
Operator, Operator
Thank you. Our next question is from Amit Daryanani with Evercore. You may go ahead.
Amit Daryanani, Analyst
Thanks a lot and congrats on a nice quarter. I guess, Adam, there's been a fair amount of noise around your content when it comes to AI deployments. And if I sort of think of the number you just said about half of the year-over-year growth is AI-driven. Can you just talk about the breadth of your customer base when it comes to AI deployments? And if there's a way to maybe even think about how do your revenue stack up hyperscale versus XPU providers, and just the breadth of your offering there would be really helpful.
Adam Norwitt, CEO
Thank you, Amit. We have an exceptional range of offerings in the IT datacom market, particularly for applications related to AI. We've mentioned this before, but what's distinctive about AI is our collaboration with customers across the entire supply chain. This engagement begins with the web service providers, who have the financial resources for these projects. There are only a few of these providers, and we are well-positioned with them. We also work with OEMs, who equip data centers, and chip companies, which design and create configurations used within those centers. Our comprehensive relationships across these sectors have been beneficial because it's not solely about individual products or programs; rather, it's about the industry's collective effort to significantly advance artificial intelligence. This expansion involves various types of chips and architectures. However, a common requirement is the need for high speed and low latency, alongside reduced power consumption. Our strong position allows us to deliver value through our leading high-speed products with the lowest latencies, as well as highly efficient power interconnect solutions, including power connectors, assemblies, and bus bars that supply power to energy-intensive chips. Our experienced engineers have been working on these complex systems for years, and we are scaling our capacity and capabilities globally to meet demand. Therefore, instead of focusing on the noise surrounding specific programs or configurations, it's important to recognize the larger opportunity at hand, as we are undoubtedly capturing more than our fair share of it.
Operator, Operator
Thank you. Our next question is from Samik Chatterjee with JPMorgan. You may go ahead.
Samik Chatterjee, Analyst
Hi. Thanks for taking my question. And Adam, congrats on the strong results here. I guess, I'll follow-up to what Amit's question was. Adam, you talked in your prepared remarks about your team working hard to win or secure business in IT datacom on next-generation systems. Can you talk in relation to when you're seeing the robust growth numbers in IT datacom, what are we seeing in terms of content growth in of next-generation systems? How much visibility are you getting today in relation to what your content on a per unit basis, in some cases, looks like going to a next-generation system? And how are you positioned whether that next relation system uses more copper or fiber? How do you think about opportunities on both those fronts? Thank you.
Adam Norwitt, CEO
Thank you very much, Samik. We've previously discussed the unique architecture of neural network, machine learning, and AI systems, which requires a high-speed, low-latency mesh fabric for the chips to communicate effectively. While I'm not an electrical engineer, I can say it's remarkable how intricate the interconnection needs are in these systems. This highlights the significant role interconnect plays in their functionality. If the chips cannot communicate quickly and efficiently, building complex language models or other types of models becomes impractical, delaying progress and leading to obsolescence. The speed and efficiency of calculations and comparisons among these chips rely heavily on the interconnect. Consequently, the potential for value generation increases, regardless of who manufactures the chips or how they are designed. We have established strong relationships with customers across the entire stack I mentioned earlier. Regarding copper and fiber, Amphenol benefits from being active in both areas, having made successful acquisitions and being innovative in both fiber and copper technologies. It's important to recognize the advantages of each. When it comes to power efficiency, copper is preferable since optical solutions can consume significantly more power. We have focused on enhancing the capabilities of copper to meet the high bandwidth demands for over two decades. Reflecting on our acquisition of Teradyne Connection Systems 19 years ago, we gained a leading position in high-speed copper technology. At that time, achieving speeds of five to ten gigabits was ambitious for copper, whereas today we are reaching 200 gigabits and are aiming for 400 and 800 gigabits, possibly even beyond. This demonstrates the substantial value we can create for customers by optimizing copper through our engineering skills. Our teams are actively delivering this real value through their expertise in engineering and technology.
Operator, Operator
Thank you. Our next question is from Asiya Merchant with Citi. You may go ahead.
Asiya Merchant, Analyst
Great. Thank you for taking my question and congratulations on the results. If I can a little bit on CapEx. I think Craig mentioned bit on elevated CapEx here. And so if you could help me understand how long do we expect this CapEx run rate to exist? Are we at the end of the CapEx that you guys are putting in to support the IT datacom growth? Thank you.
Craig Lampo, CFO
Yeah. Thanks, Asiya. So if you think about kind of our capital spend, we talked about this last quarter a bit, and we said we would expect to be kind of elevated for certainly the next couple of quarters being this quarter. And I just kind of reiterated that here in the fourth quarter, we expect to be kind of elevated levels to drive this and support the significant growth we're seeing in both IT datacom, as well as, to a certain extent, to the defense market as well. I mean we're not giving guidance yet for next year, so I'm not going to necessarily comment specifically on what we expect for capital spend for 2025. But we do certainly continue to target kind of that 3% to 4% of sales from a capital perspective. I think nothing structurally has changed over kind of the mid- or long-term from our expectation of capital spend to kind of maintain our business going forward. Certainly, in years, we're going to see strong growth such as 2024 here, and certainly in other years, we tend to be kind of at the higher end of that range in years that we see kind lower growth, yes, I would expect to be kind of more in the middle of that range or so. So I think that that's how we expect our capital at this point. Certainly, we'll talk about 2025 more specifically, if we see elevated levels as we enter the year next year.
Operator, Operator
Thank you. Our next question is from Joe Spak with UBS. You may go ahead.
Joe Spak, Analyst
Thanks so much, everyone. Maybe two quick ones. One, I just wanted to understand, in the aerospace guidance you gave, whether you assumed any impact from the ongoing strike and if that's at all significant? And then last quarter, you talked about some industrial green shoots, and I know you mentioned today that North America, Asia, okay, Europe tough. Just wondering if there's, I guess, any further sprouting, and if you're seeing any impact from any of the China stimulus in that region?
Adam Norwitt, CEO
Yes. Thanks very much, Joe. I mean look, relative to your first question on aerospace and strikes, I mean, look, we wish for all of our customers that they have peaceful relations with their workforce. And without commenting specifically on any customer, I'll tell you that our guidance always incorporates all the information that we have from our customers around the world, including within that market. In terms of the industrial green shoots, it's absolutely the case. The last quarter, we did talk about seeing some green shoots in industrial. And look, I mean, this quarter, we did see some sequential growth on an organic basis from the prior quarter. But I will say that our view of the trends in Europe are probably a little more muted than maybe they were a quarter ago. I mean we're pleased with what we've seen in North America and Asia. We grew in industrial organically in both regions, both on a year-over-year basis and sequentially, but we've probably seen an incremental tick down in Europe. And what to look for there, I mean I think we'll have to watch. The automotive industry and the industrial - the automotive market and industrial market in Europe are fairly tied at the hip as you know well. You have a lot of factory automation and machine tool industries and the like, which are somewhat dependent on the investment cycles that come from the automakers, who are such a big component of the European economy. And so I think we'll have to watch that and see how it proceeds. But look, in our organization, I mean, not to be cavalier about this, but we our team is very used to this scenario where you tighten your belt and you put your head up high and got and take some business. And so to the extent that there is, in Europe, a moderation in these — in a place like industrial and automotive, our team know how to deal with that. We've got a playbook. And to the extent that there are opportunities in other geographies, we'll work to capitalize upon those and take more than our fair share as they come along.
Operator, Operator
Thank you. Our next question is from Mark Delaney with Goldman Sachs. You may go ahead.
Mark Delaney, Analyst
Yes. Good afternoon. Thank you very much for taking the question. EBIT margins came in at a record high, even with a full quarter contribution of the CIT acquisition. So I'm hoping to better understand what led to the margin strength this past quarter? Maybe you can level set us on where CIT margins are running at this point, and if they're already at the levels you're targeting? And how should investors think about incremental margins going forward? Thank you.
Craig Lampo, CFO
Yes. Thanks, Mark. We're really, really proud of our operating margins here in the third quarter. I mean, this year, we really have done a great job of really execution, and this really goes without saying here in the third quarter. The CIT margins, I would say, ultimately, we're not going to talk so much specifically about their margins. But I would say, they're still on their journey. That really wasn't a strong contributor here in the third quarter to the margin improvement, really, the margin improvement here was just the execution of the team and the ability for our team to really just maximize the profitability on the strong growth that we've seen. And I think that as we go forward, we talk about this 25% conversion margin. We've done better than that recently. I still think, over the long term, 25% is kind of the way we kind of think about things, but the team really has been executing very well on this strong growth that we've seen over the recent quarters. And I would expect as we continue to grow, we'll continue to be able to kind of execute well and increase those margins as we grow. As it relates to how long it's going to take us to kind of get CIT at the company average, we're not going to really talk about so much how long exactly we think, but we're certainly very happy with the progress so far. And certainly, I would say, today, even versus 90 days ago, I would say, I'm even more optimistic that, ultimately, that CIT will get to the company average. But this is just a great team. They're extremely motivated. They're excited to be part of Amphenol. And I think they're really making some great strides to take the steps they need to get those really great goals.
Operator, Operator
Thank you. Our next question is from Guy Hardwick with Freedom Capital Markets. You may go ahead.
Guy Hardwick, Analyst
Hi. Good afternoon. Congratulations on the fantastic Q3 results.
Adam Norwitt, CEO
Thank you, Guy.
Guy Hardwick, Analyst
It's great news that you can close Andrew a bit sooner than expected. Does that imply any antitrust issues you may have faced or are currently facing?
Adam Norwitt, CEO
Yes. Well, thanks very much. I mean, look, we never thought there were going to be any meaningful antitrust issues, but we knew that there would be a lot of filings to be done, because Andrew operates on a global basis in lots of different geographies. And you never know how long those things can take. And I think we're just encouraged by how the process is going and that gives us really the confidence to think that it's going be sometime in the first quarter as opposed to in the first half. But we — again, just to reiterate, we never thought there were any substantive antitrust issues, but there's always a process to do.
Operator, Operator
Thank you. Our next question is from Steven Fox with Fox Advisors. You may go ahead.
Steven Fox, Analyst
Hi. Good afternoon Adam and Craig. I was wondering if you could step back on the mobile device market. You called out that you're now going to see high single-digit growth for the year, which is kind of an interesting data point, even if it's off of a down year in 2023. Can you just sort of talk about what that high single digits is comprised of, how much you think it's content growth, what you think the markets are doing and what it implies maybe for next few quarters, roughly? Thank you.
Adam Norwitt, CEO
Thank you, Steve. I’ll avoid your last question because I’m not very good at forecasting mobile devices even for one quarter, let alone the next several. However, our team working on mobile devices has done an excellent job again this year. This organization is phenomenal. When you think about the technologies we're involved in, like connectors and antennas, it's clear that the content in many of these products is expanding. I often say that when the hardware creates value for customers, our products can deliver value too. We continue to see innovations in the devices, which results in beautiful products, and our team contributes to that. As more functionality is added, there are more opportunities for us. That said, it's important to note that this market is quite volatile. We are guiding for the fourth quarter to maintain the strong levels we achieved in the third quarter. I hope I’m accurate about that, but I've often found that forecasting mobile devices over a 90-day span isn’t easy. I use these mobile devices constantly and have them around me all the time. We have learned about the incredible capabilities of mobile devices, which have evolved from simple phones to tablets and wearables. The boundaries between these devices are increasingly blurred, but they enhance communication and productivity. Our customers are pushing the limits of these capabilities, driving consumer demand for these products. That’s our current outlook. As for next year, it’s uncertain, Steve; we’ll see what happens.
Operator, Operator
Thank you. Our next question is from Scott Graham with Seaport Research Partners. You may go ahead.
Scott Graham, Analyst
Hey, good afternoon. Thanks for taking the question, and great quarter. I was hoping you would perhaps comment on organic orders in the quarter and maybe call out, which verticals were maybe stronger versus those, which were weaker?
Adam Norwitt, CEO
Yeah. I mean we don't really talk about organic orders, like if you're talking about order growth or something like this. I mean, our book-to-bill is what it is because we acquire a company and they have bookings greater than their revenues, that's still organic book-to-bill, and I think our strong book-to-bill is a total reflection of the companies that we own, not being on prior to being part of Amphenol.
Operator, Operator
Thank you. Our next question is from Wamsi Mohan with Bank of America. You may go ahead.
Wamsi Mohan, Analyst
Yeah. Thank you so much. Adam, I was wondering if you could maybe comment on the aperture of these orders, again, like a very strong order number, can you talk about maybe, one, the visibility that you have around these orders? And how far out maybe some of these orders are? Like how much would you fulfill current quarter versus maybe next? Are these stretched out even beyond that, that would be helpful? Thank you.
Adam Norwitt, CEO
Thank you for your question, Wamsi. I want to emphasize that our book-to-bill ratio remains very strong. This is especially true in the IT datacom sector, and to a lesser extent in defense and comm air. We have also noticed an increase in order volume. This is related to our increased capital spending, as Craig mentioned earlier regarding CapEx. When we invest more in capital, we collaborate with our customers to ensure that these investments are supported by orders or guarantees. This helps provide us with confidence in making larger investments than usual. As for timing, we typically do not record orders that extend beyond a year for our financials. Most of our orders are fulfilled within a few quarters, and while it's possible for some to stretch to three quarters out, the majority are completed within a couple of quarters.
Operator, Operator
Thank you. And our last question comes from Joe Giordano with TD Cowen. You may go ahead.
Joe Giordano, Analyst
Hey, guys. Thanks for taking my question. Adam, you hinted at this, and you've done it, you said calls historically about how you guys motivate your people to go find new business in new markets, if it's not in your current one. Like I'm just curious, what you're doing now in and the money you're spending there and the success you're having, like is there an ability to scale that to markets that are not currently using it? And I guess the other side of this, the people in that IT sector that are running full tilt to meet demand now, like how do you prepare them for times when it's not going to be growing 50% a year to make sure that the business kind of stays at high levels and when growth ultimately starts to moderate?
Adam Norwitt, CEO
Yes, Joe, that's a great question. First, let's address two aspects here: how to motivate people to pursue new business opportunities even in tough times, and how to encourage them to maintain their efforts despite potential volatility. This really reflects our cultural approach at Amphenol, which emphasizes agility, reactivity, and flexibility. Essentially, even during challenging times, we believe in planting seeds and actively seeking out new applications for our technology. For instance, I recall when our oil and gas team faced a significant drop in oil prices, they recognized that they weren't just selling connectors for oil and gas but high-voltage products for extreme environments. This prompted them to explore other applications for those products beyond oil and gas. As a result, they eventually discovered new opportunities, contributing to a more stable foundation for when the market recovers. Conversely, we have seen strong growth in the IT datacom sector, with some teams experiencing year-over-year growth of 60%. Many of our operations have outperformed that figure, which requires immense dedication. I want to emphasize the hard work our global teams put in, often sacrificing personal time to achieve their goals. At Amphenol, everyone remains vigilant. They consider the potential downturns and manage their operations accordingly, ensuring that when cycles change, we are prepared. We understand that markets fluctuate, and our goal is to capitalize on strong cycles while minimizing the impact during weaker phases. Over the decades, we've navigated various economic cycles, showing resilience even during significant downturns like the global financial crisis or the COVID-19 pandemic, where we've only seen a slight decline in margins. Our mobile devices team, for example, frequently faces rapid growth and subsequent cycles, achieving an impressive 38% growth from Q2 to Q3, even though we expect a decline in the next quarter. The IT datacom team is also navigating its own cycles, influenced by shifts in demand during and after COVID. I am confident in our team's ability to perform at a high level and, when cycles inevitably shift, we will be ready, as we always have been at Amphenol.
Operator, Operator
Thank you. And that was our last question. I will turn it back to Mr. Norwitt for any closing remarks.
Adam Norwitt, CEO
Well, thank you very much to all. And I'm really grateful to have all of you on the phone here today, and I wish that you have a great finish to the year. And hard to say it, but we'll talk to you all in 2025. Thank you.
Craig Lampo, CFO
Thank you very much.
Operator, Operator
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