Earnings Call Transcript - ECL Q4 2025

Operator, Operator

Greetings. Welcome to Ecolab Fourth Quarter 2025 Earnings Release Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in listen-only mode. A question and answer session will follow the formal presentation. Reminder, this conference is being recorded. At this time, it's now my pleasure to introduce your host, Andy Hedberg, Vice President of Investor Relations. Andy, you may now begin.

Andy Hedberg, Vice President of Investor Relations

Thank you. Hello, everyone, and welcome to Ecolab's fourth quarter conference call. With me today are Christophe Beck, Ecolab's Chairman and CEO, and Scott Kirkland, our CFO. A discussion of our results, along with our earnings release and the slides referencing the quarter's results, are available on Ecolab's website at ecolab.com/investor. Please take a moment to read the cautionary statements in these materials, which state that this teleconference and associated supplemental materials include estimates of future performance. These are forward-looking statements, and actual results could differ materially from those projected. Factors that could cause actual results to differ are described under the Risk Factors section in our most recent form 10-K and in our posted materials. Also, refer you to the supplemental diluted earnings per share information in the release. With that, I'd like to turn the call over to Christophe Beck for his comments.

Christophe Beck, Chairman and CEO

Thank you so much, Andy, and welcome to everyone joining us today. 2025 was another record year for Ecolab, with record-breaking sales margins, earnings per share, and free cash flow. This was all enabled by the exceptional total value our team and technologies delivered to customers, helping them achieve better business outcomes, operational performance, and environmental impact. Thanks to our team's dedication and expertise, we are entering 2026 with strong momentum and are very well positioned to deliver continued high performance with confidence. In Q4, we delivered 15% adjusted EPS growth with quarterly growth strengthening throughout the year. This was driven by accelerating underlying sales growth and continued strong operating income margin expansion. Organic sales grew 3%, driven by 3% value pricing and positive volume growth. Volume actually was stronger than it appeared, with performance improving across most of our businesses. Food and beverage accelerated to 5%. Pest elimination and life sciences both accelerated to 7%. Specialty continued to drive significant share gains, growing 7% as well. Institutional underlying sales growth was consistent with prior quarters, excluding the unexpected short-term impact from lower distributor inventories. We also maintained strong double-digit growth in global high-tech and Ecolab Digital. Taken together, this strong momentum lifted Ecolab's underlying volume growth to 2%, driving mid-single-digit underlying organic sales growth when we exclude the impact from basic industries, paper, and these lower distributor inventories. In other words, our core businesses and our growth engines are doing very well. We expect the distributor impact to largely normalize in 2026. We also continue to anticipate basic industries and paper's performance to progressively improve in 2026. Combined with strong new business wins and continued momentum across our growth engines, we expect volume growth to get back to 1% as we exit the first quarter, with growth accelerating further as the year progresses. Our strengthening underlying sales drove organic operating income growth of 12% and expanded our organic operating income margin by 140 basis points to 18.5%. This resulted in a full-year operating income margin of 18%, up 150 basis points versus last year. We're confident we can continue to expand our operating income margin well beyond the 20%. Now, before I move into our 2026 outlook, I want to take a moment to acknowledge current events in Minnesota. Ecolab has customers in more than 170 countries, but Minnesota has been our home for more than a century. It is where our headquarters sit and where thousands of our colleagues, customers, and communities count on us every single day. In recent weeks, Ecolab, along with other business leaders across the state, have come together to call for de-escalation and a constructive path forward. As a company that has always believed in doing well by doing good, we stepped in early to play a role in business leadership and support the efforts underway. I'm proud of the progress we're seeing and encouraged by the positive momentum. As expressed in an open letter signed by 60 Minnesota-based CEOs, the business community has an important role in supporting stability, strengthening local businesses, and helping build a brighter future for Minnesota. We will continue to work together to help ensure Minnesota remains a strong and resilient place to live, work, and grow. Now, looking ahead to 2026, our priorities are very clear. First, it's rapidly growing total value delivered to customers across our core businesses. Second is to accelerate our One Ecolab growth initiative. And third, is to fuel our growth engines. We expect 3% to 4% organic sales growth this year, with growth accelerating as the year progresses, driven by strengthening volume gains and continued 2% to 3% value pricing. Total reported sales, including the Ovivo Electronics acquisition, is expected to grow at upper single digits in 2026. And with this strong growth, operating income margin is anticipated to expand 100 to 150 basis points to more than 19%, resulting in an operating income growth of 14% to 16%. Altogether, this is expected to drive strong EPS growth of 12% to 15%, which includes the headwind of additional non-cash amortization from the Ovivo acquisition. Our first priority is to rapidly grow total value delivered, or as we call it, TVD, across our core businesses. TVD is our formal framework for measuring the business outcomes, operational performance, and environmental impact we deliver to customers. When we deliver measurable value across these three dimensions, it not only drives share gains, but it earns Ecolab the ability to value price. And with a strong customer value pipeline heading into 2026, we remain very confident in delivering 2% to 3% pricing this year. What makes our value model so powerful is our best-in-class approach. With our scale, digital intelligence, and global service, Ecolab partners with customers to define what best-in-class looks like and scale it across their operations, helping them achieve peak performance. This is how we consistently help customers lower costs, reduce risk, and improve performance across their entire enterprise. Innovation is also essential to our best-in-class value model, and our 2026 lineup is strong and keeps getting stronger. In global high-tech, we're launching directed chip cooling as a service to the data center market. This brings liquid cooling right where it's needed the most—the chip. By combining our CDU platform with Ecolab 3D Tracer real-time monitoring, advanced cooling technology, and on-site service, we improve uptime, lower cooling costs, and allow more power to be put towards compute. In food and beverage, we're launching CIPIQ, an AI-enabled digital solution that uses real-time analytics for a smarter way to optimize cleaning in place. It decreases capacity, reduces water and energy use, and improves quality control and product safety, helping customers run more efficiently at a time when every hour of production matters. Early interest is strong, and we're looking forward to a healthy rollout in 2026. In institutional specialty, we focused on scaling our IQ suite—Dish IQ, Aqua IQ, Kitchen IQ, and Beverage IQ. These solutions directly address labor shortages, guest satisfaction, and rising operating costs, giving operators smarter, more automated ways to run their kitchens and front-of-the-house operations. We expect strong growth from the suite in 2026 as well. And in pest elimination, we're expanding beyond our rodent-focused smart devices with a new smart solution for cockroaches, extending the reach and impact of our passive diligence platforms. Moving into our second priority in 2026, expanding the One Ecolab growth initiative. We've demonstrated immense success over the last year, aligning our global resources to better serve our top 35 global customers, where there is a $3.5 billion growth opportunity. In 2025, sales growth with this group outpaced the total company by approximately two percentage points. This year, we're expanding this model to our largest regional customers around the world, leveraging the tools, processes, and sales structures built for our top 35 customers. Within One Ecolab, we've also delivered more than $100 million in SG&A savings as of year-end 2025. We achieved this by consolidating functional work into our global centers of excellence and deploying a number of agentic AI applications as one of the most advanced companies. As we shared at Investor Day, our initial One Ecolab rollout exceeded expectations, allowing us to increase our savings target from $140 million to $225 million by 2027. And today, we're increasing our savings target again to $325 million by the same year, 2027, due to the continued success of the overall program. Finally, looking at our growth engines, they now represent about 20% of our portfolio, including Ovivo Electronics, which closed earlier than expected. Together, our growth engines have very attractive long-term operating income margin profiles, and in 2026, we expect them to collectively grow double digits, lifting Ecolab's sales growth. When we look at what's fueling that trajectory, global high-tech is leading the way. As AI expands and every part of its value chain depends on water—the fabs that make the chips, the power plants that fuel the chips, and the data centers that run and cool them—Ecolab is uniquely positioned in all these markets to help enable the AI build-out. With Ovivo Electronics now part of Ecolab, we provide the ultra-pure water essential for semiconductor manufacturing, supporting the fabs producing the world's most advanced chips. As we bring our unmatched capabilities together, we're building a unique circular water offering for the fast-growing microelectronics sector. And Ovivo is off to a strong start in 2026, as we have already secured several new fabs where our leading ultra-pure water technologies will be deployed. On the data center side, the industry expects unprecedented demand for AI to continue to rapidly expand. Higher rack density and rising chip heat make liquid cooling mission-critical. Our directed chip cooling platform, including integrated 3D tracer monitoring and on-site service, positions us to help data centers improve cooling asset performance, reduce the power required to cool, and return more power to compute. And as the industry increasingly turns to water to cool next-generation chips, like NVIDIA's Vera Rubin platform, we're very well positioned. Backed by more than a century of experience managing cooling and water systems in complex environments at scale. As strong as that momentum is, it's only part of our growth engine story. Another major contributor is pest elimination. Nearly every Ecolab customer today uses some form of pest elimination. With our One Ecolab selling strategy, we are launching a $3 billion cross-sell opportunity by delivering the most compelling outcomes in the industry. Targeting 99% pest relocation, our digital connected pest intelligence platform leads us in deploying digital technologies to this commercial market, and we expect to have more than 1 million smart devices in the field in 2026. This technology not only drives best-in-class outcomes for our customers, but it also frees our team to spend more time driving strong sales growth while continuing to expand margin. We're also seeing exceptional progress in life sciences. We delivered our best year yet in bioprocessing, which saved up nearly 75% in 2025. Life sciences has the potential to be one of Ecolab's highest-margin businesses, where we target long-term operating margins of 30%. We're investing behind these attractive and significant long-term opportunities with breakthrough biopharma purification innovations, new digital solutions, and capacity expansion. That includes the capacity expansion of our life sciences industrial water purification business, which is expected to begin production in 2025 and position us for stronger growth in the years ahead. And the fourth engine powering our growth is Ecolab Digital. We've grown this business to nearly $400 million in annual sales, increasing more than 20% in 2025, and we're still in the very early days. We're investing heavily to bring market-leading digital solutions to our customers across our portfolio. In 2025, more than 25% of our innovation pipeline was digital, which has grown significantly over the last few years. The strength of Ecolab Digital comes from its focus on solving critical customer challenges and increasing the total value delivered to our customers. With all of this, we enter 2026 confident in our ability to deliver continued strong performance, and we're off to a strong start in the first quarter. For the year, we expect reported sales growth of 7% to 9% and organic sales growth of 3% to 4%, with organic growth accelerating as the year progresses, driven by strengthening volume growth. And with 100 to 150 basis points of operating income margin expansion, we expect 14% to 16% operating income growth and EPS growth of 12% to 15%, including the impact of Ovivo. I'll end where I often do: The best of Ecolab is yet to come. Our ability to improve customers' business outcomes, operational performance, and environmental impact is more relevant than ever and inspiring consistent double-digit EPS growth. So thanks so much for your interest and your investment in Ecolab. I look forward to your questions.

Andy Hedberg, Vice President of Investor Relations

Thanks, Christophe. That concludes our formal remarks. Operator, would you please begin the question and answer period? Thank you.

Operator, Operator

We'll now be conducting a question and answer session. I ask you to please limit yourself to one question per caller so others will have a chance to participate. If you have additional questions, please rejoin the Q&A queue. For participants using speaker equipment, it may be necessary to pick up your handset before pressing the star keys. One moment, please, while we poll for questions. And our first question is from the line of Tim Mulrooney with William Blair. Please proceed with your question.

Timothy Michael Mulrooney, Analyst

Good afternoon, Tim. I just wanted to double-click on the volume cadence as you move through the year, specifically organic volumes. Because I know you've got a couple of headwinds from paper and basic, and as well the inventory situation with institutional. How do you think about these headwinds moving through the year, as well as on the other side of it, you’ve got that solid momentum in some of these other businesses? Can you walk me through these pieces and, taking that all into account, how you're thinking about the trajectory for organic volumes specifically as you move through the year?

Christophe Beck, Chairman and CEO

I'd love to, Tim. Our framework remains the same with the 1% to 2% volume growth in Q2 and Q3 to get to this 3% to 4% for the year, accelerating in 2026. When I step back, the truth is that the volume growth in Q4 was almost the same as in Q3, as you know. So we round up or down our volume. The difference versus around zero and around one was actually only a few million dollars. So at the end of the day, it was almost the same in Q4 as in Q3, which is why earnings were strong. I feel great about where we're going. But what makes me the most optimistic about our future is that 85% of our businesses are doing great. As mentioned, F&B, which we're building around this F&B united idea of bringing hygiene and water very closely together. That's done in North America. Well, it's accelerated to 5%. Life sciences is at 7%. Pest is at 7%. Water ex-paper and basic is at 5%. And INS ex-distributor inventory is at 4% with specialty steady at 7%. So in other words, I really like that our portfolio is shifting to higher growth, higher margin businesses, which is exactly where we want to go. And we deal, obviously, with the 15% of the portfolio that needs work. There will always be something, and I expect paper and basics to kind of get to a much better place as we progress in 2026. So if I put all that together, improving the underperforming businesses of paper and basic, normalization of the distributor inventory, and 85% of the company growing very nicely, I expect Q1 to be pretty similar to Q4, but with acceleration towards the end of the quarter and acceleration continuing in the quarters to come during 2026. So overall, very good trajectory, especially from the underlying growth.

Timothy Michael Mulrooney, Analyst

Thank you.

Operator, Operator

Our next question is from the line of Manav Patnaik with Barclays. Please proceed with your question.

Manav Patnaik, Analyst

Thank you. Christophe, I was hoping you could just double-click on the global high-tech piece, you know, the water, the semi, the data center piece, post-Ovivo, just help us, you know, size what you think the growth rate is, where the opportunities are, and perhaps if you see any roadblocks to you, you know, achieving your growth ambitions there?

Christophe Beck, Chairman and CEO

I'd love to. Manav, thanks for that question. So global high-tech is kind of a new business for us, started it three, four years ago, really focused on data centers and on fabs, which is the short-term name for manufacturing of microelectronics, chips. And if I step back, as I mentioned so many times, why are we so interested in that field? On one hand, AI demand is booming. Is that going to be a straight line to heaven? Probably not. There's gonna be ups and slower ups probably as well going forward, but the trend is clearly up, and we see it from an investment perspective. Second, the power and water that's required for that is incredible. As mentioned, by 2030, we expect an incremental need of power for the whole of the electrical consumption of India and the incremental needs of the freshwater use of the whole United States. So at the end of the day, at the heart of AI is water. As mentioned before, to produce the chips, because they're produced in ultra-pure water, to power the chips because power generation is the second-largest water user in the world after agriculture. The third one is to cool chips, which is shifting towards water at the same time. So it's a high-growth market, where water is at the heart of it, especially in those two key areas of fabs and data centers. One might argue that power generation is also part of it. It was kind of a flat market for a very long time, but that's changing because we need much more power that's going to help as well on the side. But it's not part of our global high-tech. The way we're thinking about building it on fabs, since one fab requires the amount of water equivalent to 17 million people. That's an example in Korea, for instance, there. Well, the solution is to provide technology where you can recirculate water within the fab, which is really hard because at the same time, the quality of the water that's used to produce the chip is directly correlated to the quality of the advanced chips, and that's a thousand times more pure than water that's used in blood injections, by the way. So recycling water that's difficult to recycle at a super high standard, well, that's exactly what Ovivo helps us to do. That was the piece of the puzzle that was missing for us. Now we can provide the semiconductor manufacturers with circular water solutions, and we're seeing very high interest from the key players out there. The second and last I'll mention is data centers. Well, for a long time, they've been air-cooled, that required cooling towers with a lot of water that we've been used to managing for a very long time. Now that's shifting to liquid cooling, which means that you reuse the liquid in the data center, that's coming straight on top of the chip, and that liquid is not water today. But it's getting towards water tomorrow because it's the liquid with the best thermal properties, which is what we master the most at the same time. So liquid cooling in circular mode for data centers and circular water for fabs manufacturing, that's how we're thinking about it. We added Ovivo for fabs, and we will keep building our capabilities on data center today. Combined, these two businesses are roughly a billion dollars, growing strong double-digits right now at very high margin, and we see many opportunities to make that business way bigger in the years to come.

Manav Patnaik, Analyst

Thank you.

Operator, Operator

Our next question is from the line of Ashish Sabadra with RBC Capital Markets. Please proceed with your question.

Ashish Sabadra, Analyst

Thanks for taking my question. Just wanted to drill down further on the drivers for the 100 to 150 basis points of margin expansion. You obviously raised the One Ecolab saving targets and talked about $100 million of savings already achieved in 2025. I was wondering if you could provide any incremental color on the savings in '26, but also payments from pricing as well as mix shift in '26. Thanks.

Christophe Beck, Chairman and CEO

Great. Thank you, Ashish. I'll pass it to Scott, just to start the answer here.

Scott Kirkland, CFO

Yeah. Thanks, Ashish. Similar to the targets we set out at Investor Day last fall, this 100 to 150 basis points is anchored on really two things: gross margins, which is at 75 to 100 basis points annually, which we're thinking about long-term same sort of targets for 2026. Then this 25 to 50 basis points of SG&A leverage annually through 2030. So that's how we get to this 100 to 150 points. Just diving into the gross margin, the drivers of that being the value-based pricing that Christophe referenced, our mix of businesses as you see these growth engines being higher margin businesses, but also innovation. Then on the SG&A savings, if you look at over the last five years, we've delivered sales productivity almost 30%, which is sort of sales per head, which is part of that driver. On top of that, we're also driving the One Ecolab program, which Christophe announced that we've now increased that savings target to $325 million. That $325 million, as we think about it, is about $120 million. So think of a sort of a third, a third, third. A little bit more than a third through the '25 and then the remaining $200 million will be sort of equally over the next two years. That'll be a driver of that 25 to 50 basis points as well.

Operator, Operator

Our next question is from the line of John McNulty with BMO Capital Markets. Please proceed with your question.

John McNulty, Analyst

Yeah. Good morning. Thanks for taking or good afternoon. Thanks for taking my question. So wanted to drill down a little bit into the incremental margins because it looks like what we saw in pest was kind of a really explosive incremental margin in terms of how much kind of came down to the bottom line. When I look at things like the life sciences side, it was dramatically less so. It was probably the weaker of the performers of your businesses. So I guess can you unpack that a little bit in terms of what some of those dynamics might be? Why, you know, why we're seeing such different results by segment and how we should be thinking about that going forward?

Christophe Beck, Chairman and CEO

Hey. Thank you, John. Looks like Scott is on a roll, so he's gonna take the first part of the answer here.

Scott Kirkland, CFO

Thanks, John. As we've talked about in the past, we don't really think about incremental margins in that way, but I get your point on life sciences and pest. The life sciences, you saw the OI growth in low single digits in Q4, but frankly, that was as we expected because we had targeted OI margins in that mid-teen range. It was due to two things. One, as we talked about, we're investing in that business; underlying margins are actually better. On top of it, you had a year-on-year comparison sort of bad comp, if you will, on life sciences, really because of performance-based compensation. That business sales accelerated throughout the year, as Christophe talked about. The OI growth for the full year was 30%. They've earned that performance-based compensation. We really expect that business going forward to increase NOI to increase double digits into '26 and beyond. And then pest, as you mentioned, was sort of the opposite. And, again, that was comparing against a comp last year. As you recall, we had a spike in accidents at the end of last year, creating a lower base point for them. Again, that business is doing really well, as Christophe said, growing 7% top line. OI margins north of 20%, and we expect to continue that trajectory.

Christophe Beck, Chairman and CEO

So maybe a few points here to build on what Scott just said. Not every quarter is treated equal. You can have year-on-year, obviously, some comparisons like our accidents or in pest elimination, unfortunate a year prior. Obviously, that's changing, the margin profile on a year-on-year basis. It's also investment pacing by business. We're all in the spirit of investing the right way at the right time, not always equal in every quarter. Here I'm speaking about life science, for instance, as well. But generally, it's really making sure that we get or beat the 20% OI margin that we've talked about over 2027. We feel really good about it. So we're at 18%. Last year, we plan to be north of 19% in '26. I'm already thinking about what's beyond into 20% because many of our businesses are either beyond 20% already or have underlying margins that are already known, of it, which is the case of life science.

Operator, Operator

Our next question is from the line of Chris Parkinson with Wolfe Research. Please proceed with your question.

Chris Parkinson, Analyst

Good afternoon. And, Christophe, if we could just dig in a little bit to what you're seeing in the global water business. Over the last couple of quarters, there's been a bit of a divergence between light and heavy within water. Mining seems, you know, mixed, perhaps some, you know, life in certain metals. F&B, it seems like it's inflected, and papers continue to be a drag. But can you just kind of give us some insights on how you're thinking about that business in 2026, you know, what you need to see at the top and the bottom end, and forgive me for my own range. But, you know, the three and a half to four and a half percent range, call it fourth, midpoint, obviously. Just how are you thinking about this business? And what are you hearing from your teams to confirm or deny the bottom or the top end of that range? Thank you.

Christophe Beck, Chairman and CEO

I'd love to, Chris. Water is half the company. Sorry. It's a big chunk of it. We've built that business since 2011. Obviously, when we acquired Nalco. Our ambition was really to create the world's water company. We've come to that ambition over the last ten years. There is that feeling that we're just getting started on that journey. Now that being said, we're serving many end markets with water. Obviously, some are growing very fast, and some are growing a little bit less. But no one has the capabilities that we do have and the reach that we have around the world, plus the digital technology that we bring into it in order for our customers to reuse and recycle water, so in a closed circle, as mentioned, so for the Global High-Tech example that I described a little bit before. If we look at the performance of that business, Chris, yes, we grew up 2% organic in Q4 as a whole. But if you exclude basic and paper, which are in a down part of the cycle, well, water was growing 5% in Q4, which is very strong performance. We still want to get better than that. As I mentioned, the biggest business in there is food and beverage. We are merging hygiene and water to provide the best solutions for our customers around the world. We've done it in North America. It's led to very good results, 5% for that business is good in an industry that's flat. The end customers that we are serving. We've only done North America with F&B United. We're gonna keep expanding around the world. The global high-tech story that I just described. Before, Chris, which is close to a billion dollars, which is growing so in strong double-digit rates with very high margins at the same time. Then you have all the businesses in between from manufacturing areas to our institutional water business, which is providing water services to our institutional businesses. Bottom line, we end up with a business that underlying growth is close to the mid-singles, so this 5% drag down by basic and paper, but those two will recover. That's the good and the less good things of a little bit more cyclical businesses. We will deal with that. So you bring together strong underlying growth, acceleration in global high-tech, and the recovery of basic and paper industries, and you end up in a pretty good place in a business that has strong margins. We had a very good quarter in Q4. I think it was the second-highest quarter of the last five years from a margin perspective, and water will get to the 20% and move beyond the 20% in the years to come.

Operator, Operator

Thank you. The next question is from the line of Seth Weber with BNP Paribas. Please proceed with your question.

Seth Weber, Analyst

Christophe, in your prepared remarks and the slide deck, there were a bunch of mentions about new business wins. I'm wondering, can you just give a little bit more color around that? Are these conquests from other providers or, you know, just new companies that are new to the space that are kind of just adding suppliers or any color around these new business wins would be helpful. Thank you.

Christophe Beck, Chairman and CEO

Yeah. New business is the number one focus of the whole company. We have this mantra of we're all in sales, so no one is not selling in the company. It's either you're dealing with customers every single day or you're supporting someone who is serving customers every single day. I have this objective myself to meet once a week with the CEO of a customer. Last year, I met close to 100 customers as well. This is where we all collectively spent most of our time. Now we're focusing first and foremost on our current customers and our largest customers. As mentioned earlier, our top 35 customers have a growth potential of $3.5 billion. This is where we want to focus our attention first and foremost because it's the most obvious growth to get. That's why we're growing much faster with those customers than everyone else. It’s the most cost-effective way to get new business because we have service people going into those sites already today. It's about expanding the share of wallet. At the same time, it's helping our customers because we go with end-to-end solutions, helping them get to best-in-class performance. They get better total value delivered, better for their P&L, get their share of it, so we get higher growth, better margin for us, and it's a better deal for our customers. That's the first priority that we have. The second is to do the same for our large regional customers around the world, and the third priority is more individual customers around the world. The last thing I'll say is we had our global blitz two weeks ago, engaging the whole organization around the world on new business. Within one week, we managed to grow our new business versus the same week a year ago by over 30% during that week as well. A very good story. Our value proposition is very well received by our customers because they need it more than ever, either because they don't have enough water or they're trying to improve their cost performance due to price pressure, cost pressure, and so on. This is the value that Ecolab provides to them. This is the way we sell, and this is why our new business is going very well, why retention remains very stable across our businesses around the world.

Operator, Operator

Thank you. The next question is from the line of Andrew Wittmann with Baird. Please proceed with your question.

Andrew Wittmann, Analyst

Great. Excuse me. Thank you. I guess I wanted to ask a couple of kind of punch list items here. But, usually, you all have a view on FX that's included in your guidance, and I didn't see one in this press release. Scott, I was wondering if you could talk about the FX rates that are implicit in your EPS guidance raise. So those kind of kind of won there. And then I just on the expected volume improvements on the water side, Christophe, are you seeing that is this just gonna be a comps game where the comps get easier or are you in fact expecting the volumes in some of those more challenged industries to actually improve? If so, what are you looking at that gives you that indication? Thank you.

Christophe Beck, Chairman and CEO

Thank you, Andy. Let me start with the second part, and then I'll pass the FX to Scott. So very different questions, obviously. The new business for the old companies keeps going up in absolute terms. The dollar of net new business. Net of what we might have lost, which is very little usually. This is true for water, and this is true for the giant businesses as well of basic and paper. They also got to record new business. It's just that the demand thereafter in those businesses is lower year on year, and that's driving the growth or the slight decline that these two businesses are experiencing at the same time. But generally, new business is a very strong proposition for us. That's why we focused the whole organization on it. Making sure that whatever happens out there, new business is where you need to focus your time, gaining share even in a market that might be declining. So a good story even in our challenged businesses. Now on FX, Scott?

Scott Kirkland, CFO

Happy to answer the mechanical questions, Andy. On the FX for '26, we're not expecting a significant help or hurt. We're sort of thinking it's neutral for the year. Just given the current position of the dollar, probably slightly favorable in the first half, but really assuming neutral in the second half going in. Obviously, the FX is pretty dynamic. You know, the macro environment, so that could change. But that's our going-in assumption. Even any upside in the first half, as you look at sort of all items below operating income, it's gonna be offsets to that as we had in our guidance that the tax rate is gonna go up from the 20.2 we had this year to somewhere between 28.5 to 21.5. Also, what wasn’t in our specific guidance, but other income is gonna be a little bit of a headwind. It'll be about $30 million next year, so that's about a $20 million decrease on that other income just due to pension assumptions. If you look at as a whole below operating income items, it's not a net health.

Christophe Beck, Chairman and CEO

But maybe a point on this FX because it's always when we think about the next year, the beginning of the year, what are the assumptions we’ve taken when I think a year ago or even all the years prior, Andy? We were almost never right. We thought that FX would be a massive headwind in 2025 while it was not. We thought that our delivered product cost would be pretty benign. Okay. The whole tariff situation changed quite a bit during the year as we now. We adjust it. So we've gotten used to being very agile to adapt to local conditions and make absolutely sure that we still deliver our 12 to 15 earnings per share. We hope we think that FX is going to be pretty benign in 2026. Maybe it's not, and if it's not, we would adjust accordingly as we've done in the past few years.

Operator, Operator

Thank you. Your next question is from the line of Vincent Andrews with Morgan Stanley. Please proceed with your question.

Vincent Andrews, Analyst

Thank you, and good afternoon. Just a question on the One Ecolab cost savings. You raised it again. I'm just wondering if your assessment is that, you know, this will probably be the last raise to it or if you still think there's opportunity there. Maybe there's some conservatism in the number because it looks like the cash costs associated with achieving these benefits are still nicely above the benefits themselves. I often think of those two lines, those two numbers ultimately intersect. So maybe just your latest thoughts there and how that might carry forward to '27. Thank you.

Christophe Beck, Chairman and CEO

You know, maybe a comment before I pass it to Scott. I don't think it's conservatism. It could have been, but it's not. In that case, we're leveraging the technology, AI agents, and agentic technology that no one has really done so far. You've probably seen that we ranked number nine on the Fortune AI list of most prepared companies for the age of AI. I really encourage the whole team to embrace technology, to stay at the frontier of what's out there, and to see how it works. For the most part, it's been a very good story. It's not a perfect story. There are places where it didn't work, but 80% of the time, it's working really well where it drives better outcomes for our customers and our teams, the way we operate, while at the same time, driving huge productivity gains. My feeling is that it's gonna keep improving in the years to come, but we don't know exactly where it's gonna come from because the technology in some cases doesn't even exist. Scott?

Scott Kirkland, CFO

Yeah. Christophe said it very well, Vincent. The savings momentum is better than we expected, as you said, moving from that $225 million to $325 now by 2027. It's that way as we're learning, but moving up the value chain as we deploy technology and AI and high-touch processes. Leveraging the global centers of excellence that Christophe referenced before, which allows us to deploy that technology at scale. As we think about '26 to '27, that incremental $200 million from what we've already realized, I would think about that pretty evenly. Long-term, this is really an enabler to this 25 to 50 basis points of SG&A leverage, which is our long-term target. That's relative to historically what we've done about 20 to 30 basis points. We're really almost doubling our SG&A leverage that we've had historically enabled by the One Ecolab and the scalability that it provides.

Operator, Operator

Thank you. At this time, the next line question is from the line of Patrick Cunningham with Citibank. Please proceed with your question.

Patrick Cunningham, Analyst

Hi. Good afternoon. Thanks for taking my question. Just on the digital sales piece, could you give us an update on how your ability to monetize these technologies has evolved in 2025, where you ultimately see it going, and where you're getting the best traction with customers? Thanks.

Christophe Beck, Chairman and CEO

I'd love that question. Well, we could argue we've been for a long time in the business of building great new businesses, and Ecolab Digital is a fairly new business that we started two years ago. It's not that we started digital technology and digital offerings to our customers two years ago. We just did it as part of our offering for thirty years. When we invested in 3D technology. We haven't monetized directly that offering to our customers for twenty-eight out of the last thirty years that we've been in that field. So we're building that new organization. We created a dedicated organization on that opportunity. It is in the early years. It's not perfect. It's a bit rough on the edges at the beginning, but that's always been true when we built new businesses. However, I'm pleased we are already generating close to $400 million of sales, which encompasses only two components of it. It's connected hardware and software. Those are the two elements that are driving those $400 million at very high margin and growing, obviously, north of 20%, and I think we'll grow probably 25% in '26 as well here. We're really at the beginning of it. The way we think about digital sales at Ecolab in the future is what we call the one hundred one hundred: where 100% of the customer locations that we serve will have to be connected. 100% of the applications that we provide to each of those locations. Think about the hotel where you have a dish machine, a laundry machine, an AC unit, pest elimination, EcoSure audit systems, and all that. Those are the applications. 100% of them need to be connected. And the third element is 100% of the time, where people pay for itself. This is the way we think about it. That's why when I think about the $400 million we have today, we have just scratched the surface of what we can do. We still have a lot of customers using those technologies that do not pay because they're still on the old programs. We have many customers that do not use it, new to date. Specially in institutional because it's relatively new. That cost barrier is not a barrier anymore for most of our customers. We have millions of customers out there that can use it. That's why Ecolab Digital is a great story. Very early in that development, I think it's gonna become one of the biggest growth drivers of our company going forward, by driving customer benefits ultimately because our promise is to help reduce their total operating cost.

Operator, Operator

The next question is from the line of David Begleiter with Deutsche Bank. Christophe, back to Basic Industries Paper. Is your confidence in a back-half recovery just because of easier comps? Are you seeing some underlying improvement in these end markets as we progress through the quarter? Thank you.

Christophe Beck, Chairman and CEO

Thanks, David. It's a combination of both. That industry, the paper and packaging industry, has had a dual challenge. On one hand, a demand that was pretty low. At the same time, related to it, consolidation of the industry. So consolidation means that they were closing paper mills, and a paper mill for us is a big chunk, so it can be up to $10 or $15 million of sales in one location. If it happens that that location gets closed, there's not much you can do because you're not gonna sell much to that location anymore. We had to go through that the last twelve to twenty-four months, and that seems to be behind us. We haven't seen in our environment mill closures in the last few months, which is obviously good news for us as we enter 2026. New business is good in that business as well. Innovation is strong as well. The margin of that business was about 13% last year. It's not Ecolab average, but it's still okay. The combination of both general recovering progressively, and pretty good margins even in a down environment in 2025 makes me a bit more optimistic for 2026, but I'm not even close to declaring victory on this one. Same for basic industries, different industries, obviously, but similar model as well. We're dealing with it. Making sure we make money in all of those businesses. We keep gaining share. As those industries recover, that's gonna help us over the next few quarters.

Operator, Operator

The next question is from the line of Shlomo Rosenbaum with Stifel. Please just state your question.

Shlomo Rosenbaum, Analyst

Hi. Thank you very much. Quick questions. Christophe, if you normalize for that distributor inventory reduction, looking at a normalized way, what's going on with the volumes? Are the volumes actually going up? Like, if you didn't have that surprise, are the volumes going up or are you kind of at a flattish trajectory? Then it's just a technical question I want to ask afterwards. On slide 13, on the top left, it talks about water's organic operating income growth is expected to something in 2026, and there's a word missing; is that expected to go up, go down before being flat? If someone could just answer that. Thank you.

Christophe Beck, Chairman and CEO

Thank you, Shlomo. A few questions you have in there. INS, institutional and specialty changed from a demand perspective. If you normalize, it was 4% organic. For INS, 3% for the institutional division and 7% for specialty. So generally, nothing to see in INS. A market that's a difficult market, as you've probably noticed, that the restaurant and hospitality industry is not doing great right now, but we're gaining a lot of share, which is really good. A comment on this distributor inventory: Why did they go down? That's not under our control; it's obviously our customers deciding that. The better we become in our supply chain service, the more reliable and accurate we become, the less inventory they need to carry from our products. We've seen that in the past a few times already. That happens mostly at the end of the year as well. That's exactly what happened in the fourth quarter. It takes a few weeks to happen, and then it takes a few weeks or a few months to normalize as well. Driven by two good things. On one hand, demand hasn't changed. On the other hand, inventories went down because our service improved. We don't like the optics, but generally, it's a good thing going forward. Your question on water for slide 13: I had no idea what slide 13 was, to be honest. So I'm glad I have help here. I think that what was missing and what I'm seeing here, it should have said expected to accelerate.

Operator, Operator

The next question is from the line of Jeff Zekauskas with JPMorgan. Please proceed with your question.

Jeffrey Zekauskas, Analyst

Thanks very much. I have a couple of questions about Ovivo. Is Ovivo roughly $500 million in sales, maybe growing to $550? Is the EBIT, I don't know, $75 million, the EBITDA, $100? Can you give us an idea about that? Ovivo is a combination, I think, of sale of equipment and consumables. What's the balance between equipment sales and consumables? In the fourth quarter, it seems that you excluded it. You know, that is you took out the interest costs that were connected with the acquisition, and the revenues of Ovivo itself. Why did you treat it that way from an accounting standpoint? What do you plan to do in the first quarter? Thank you.

Christophe Beck, Chairman and CEO

Thank you, Jeff. I've got looking at me because I'm not the accountant here in the group there. He's gonna tackle that question about the December account. I will cover your other questions after that.

Scott Kirkland, CFO

Yeah. Thanks, Jeff. Ovivo closed a bit earlier than we expected and wanted to show the Q4 really show the underlying business without the transaction noise, which was very consistent with how we handle both the Pure Light and Nalco acquisitions. If you look at it because in Q4, the deal closed in December, in Q4 we have like a half a month of interest expense. But very minimal sales and a live benefit just given the timing and flows and mix of the business geographically. It would have been very noisy and was not part of our guidance that we had for Q4. Again, it's consistent with how we treated Pure Light and Nalco.

Christophe Beck, Chairman and CEO

Thank you. As for Ovivo as a business, it's roughly half a billion dollars, yes. It's a bit less than that, and it's growing double-digit. The way it looks for the first quarter is double-digit growth as well. I've been very pleased with the new business in that field. It's focused 99% on fabs, as you know. We’ve closed a few very interesting deals in Singapore and in the US. It’s very few customers, we know, that are producing some microelectronic chips. Those are very big, every single time. There's no one that can do what Ovivo can do, and there's no one that can do what together, we can do, which is the circular approach of using and recycling ultra-pure water. 95% of the water does not get recycled in microelectronics today, which is a major issue. Our ambition is to get north of 80% recycled, so from 5% to 80% or in some cases, even 100% of reuse. The mix of the business is mostly technology and much less consumables. What's important to us is the combination of Ecolab and Ovivo, which then becomes just like an Ecolab business, where it's mostly consumables and technology as a secondary growth driver. That's why we really like it. It was a technology that was really hard to develop. No one is even coming close to them, Jeff. We could have developed it ourselves. It would have taken years. The second issue is getting the credibility with those microelectronics manufacturers. They're very few, and they're not exactly risk-takers for technologies that are absolutely critical to chip manufacturing. Everything is happening as we speak. A great business, coming with what we have done for a very long time in terms of water is a typical one-plus-one equals three scenario. I think that for our fabs business, it's gonna be game-changing.

Operator, Operator

Thank you. Next question is from the line of Matthew DeYoe with Bank of America. Please proceed with your question.

Matthew DeYoe, Analyst

Yeah. Thanks for taking my call. My question is, I think you're done with year one of One Ecolab that you'd rolled out to, like, the three largest customers. What's the feedback and any wins learnings you can take as you deploy this to, I think it's the top 25 customers in 2026, so an incremental 20 more? When do we see this as more of a top-line driver? What kind of rollout do you ultimately need? It did feel like you have a pretty considerable amount of sales opportunity just with that top 35 based on the kind of conversations we've had over time.

Christophe Beck, Chairman and CEO

Yeah. It's 35 customers, our top 20 largest customers in the world, and what we call our emerging 15. Those are not the biggest, but the ones having the potential to become some of our biggest microelectronic, being a perfect example of one of those 15. With this, we get 35, and that could drive $3.5 billion of share increase potential. That's why we focus on those ones first and foresight, it's simpler because it’s fewer customers and the biggest potential, the $3.5 billion in many locations around the world. We've gotten organized behind those 35 customers, which are the biggest brands, obviously, in all industries. The growth of those 35, as mentioned before, so it's 2% points higher than the rest of the company. Facts are demonstrating that it's working. It’s probably the second biggest moat we have as a company, our first being our team, serving our customers everywhere around the world, delivering best-in-class performance. Basically, we help each of those customers understand what's best-in-class performance within their own company. If it's a restaurant, what's the best guest satisfaction, what's the best cost performance, what's the best environmental impact. If it's a data center, it's uptime, cost, and impact. You get the system here, and we help them drive performance across all units towards the best-in-class performing unit within their company, and we do the same across the industry, sharing the names obviously to have our customers stand out from best-in-class performance. It’s been developed based on an idea from a few of our customers a few years back. Those customers are ultimately asking even more than we can deliver today, which is a good problem to have. Because our customers are ahead of us in terms of what they would like to see from us and what we can deliver. That’s a good problem to have, and that’s where we are.

Operator, Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Mike Harrison with Seaport Research. Please proceed with your question.

Mike Harrison, Analyst

Hi. Good afternoon. Christophe, you mentioned the IQ Suite. I was wondering if you could talk about what penetration looks like today versus where you think penetration could go over the next, say, two to three years. Just curious. Are you five or 10% of the way to where you hope to be or more like 30, 40, 50%? As we think about growth in the IQ Suite, where would we expect that to show up? Does it show up in digital sales? Does it show up in institutional volume growth? Or does it show up in margin expansion or all three?

Christophe Beck, Chairman and CEO

The short answer is all three, Mike. So first two questions, penetration. It's in the low single digits today, so we're very early here. As mentioned often, this is something we did not exactly do in our institutional end markets because it was too expensive for our customers to embrace that technology. Things have changed dramatically in the last two years, and we are very well positioned for that. So very early on that journey. Second question, where it comes, when our reporting segments are our traditional four reported segments. That we have, the digital sales that we're mentioning are the digital sales of those four segments. So they included in the four segments, which is the way we've presented that in the last twelve or thirteen months. Yes, it improves the margin because digital sales have a way higher margin because there's no real cost related to it on the software side. On the hardware side, it’s a little bit different. But it's much higher than the average gross margin we have in the company. So it's all three.

Operator, Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Laurence Alexander with Jefferies. Please proceed with your question.

Laurence Alexander, Analyst

So good afternoon. Just wanted to flesh out a little bit how your thinking is evolving around the interplay between your M&A targets and your margin targets. The 20% margin has been kind of an elusive one over the years and now it's within reach. Would you consider what type of M&A would you consider that would structurally push back the margin target a few years? Or do you see that as given the types of things you look at, just sort of structurally unnecessary?

Christophe Beck, Chairman and CEO

Just to be clear, we're not trying to push back any margin target. 20% by 2027 remains the same. We had 18% last year. We hit north of 19 in 2026, and we'll get to 20% in '27. Then we'll keep growing 100 to 150 basis points as we shared at Investor Day. M&A needs to help getting there. We will never do an M&A deal that destroys value for shareholders. So return on investment needs to be at the right level. It needs to be growth and margin accretive. Those are the plans. Whether everything happens as planned, that's an execution question. We're very disciplined in how we do M&A. We will never do something that destroys value. What we say inside the company is that's buying work and it's dumb for shareholders. Those are two reasons for not doing that, at least not consciously. We've done 100 deals in the last ten years. We have a lot of practice. We’ve learned a lot, and we are very successful in how we do M&A in general. No change for the margin targets.

Operator, Operator

Our next question is from the line of John Roberts with Mizuho Securities. Please proceed with your question.

John Roberts, Analyst

Thank you. Hi. This is Edwin Rodriguez for John. Christophe, just one quick one on the 2026 guide. Can you talk about the factors that could drive the higher end or lower end of that range? Like, what are the swing factors in there?

Christophe Beck, Chairman and CEO

I guess all the things that we don't know are gonna happen. If we look at the last five years, there was not one year that happened as planned, not because of us, but because of what's happening around us, around the world. So we have this range of the 12 to 15%. The fact that we are very agile as a company in how we run our businesses, how we manage value price, how we drive surcharges if we need getting as well more performance out of One Ecolab as we discussed before. We have a great supply chain and procurement team doing unbelievable work in whatever conditions out there. The big questions are the things I don't know, but I know that the team knows how to deal with them. With everything we know now, I feel that the Europe is very well balanced, and I feel really good about the 12 to 15.

Operator, Operator

Next question is from the line of Jason Haas with Wells Fargo. Please proceed with your question.

Jason Haas, Analyst

Curious if you could talk about hey. I'm curious if you could talk about the cadence of the contribution from pricing as we go through 2026. The reason I ask is because I believe you put in a tariff surcharge that went into effect in 2025? So I'm curious if there's, like, a go-over effect where you'll have more contribution from price in 2026 and then less in the second half. Is that the right way to think about it?

Christophe Beck, Chairman and CEO

The key point is that surcharge, which was a trade surcharge. We had an energy surcharge in '21 or '22. I'm losing track of the year. We convert all that into structural pricing. Everything has been done as well. So as we speak, that's why on one hand, whatever happens on tariffs with the Supreme Court, I'm not worried about that. On the other hand, it's gonna drive this 2% to 3% price in 2026, pretty consistently for the quarters to come. That's obviously assuming that nothing else happens in 2026, but that's not at the heart of your question here. So, basically, a traditional year in '26 with 2% to 3% value price, which is a 100% margin. That is driven by the total value delivered that we generate for our customers, which is a big growth driver for us. One of the best ones that I really like, and we keep focusing on that in the future.

Operator, Operator

Our next question is from the line of Josh Spector with UBS. Please proceed with your question.

Josh Spector, Analyst

Yeah. Hi. Good afternoon, and thanks for squeezing me in. Just a quick one here. I know you guys were spending a bit more on CapEx the last couple of years to basically grow into some new wins that I think you had in specialty. I guess with specialty growing 7% the last couple of quarters, is that now in the run rate? Or is there more of that to come? Will CapEx step down into next year as a result or stay at similar levels?

Christophe Beck, Chairman and CEO

Let me pass it to Scott.

Scott Kirkland, CFO

Yeah. Hi, Josh. On CapEx, as you know, our historical CapEx has been in this 5% to 6% range, and about half of that is cost or equipment at customer locations. So this thing grows in proportion to sales. The 2026 CapEx came in at about 6.5% of sales. To your point, because we're investing in growth, like the new business, but also the innovations around Dish IQ, pest intelligence, global high-tech, and that will continue to 2027. I expect CapEx for '26 to be around 7% and probably for the next couple of years because we're continuing to invest in those growth engines. Really to focus on accelerating sales and expanding margins. We’re investing organically and inorganically both to expand margins and drive sales. At the end of the day, it comes down to ROIC, and we like where we're at in ROIC. Do you expand that in line with our long-term targets?

Operator, Operator

Okay. Question is from the line of Kevin McCarthy with Vertical Research Partners. Please proceed with your question.

Kevin McCarthy, Analyst

Christophe, on Slide six, you indicate organic sales growth of 3% to 4% accelerating through the year. I wanted to understand that acceleration piece better. Is that due to the aforementioned normalization or stabilization in basic industries? Or are you expecting your higher growth platforms to accelerate as well? Related to that, would you make a comment on the expected growth in your data center linked businesses this year?

Christophe Beck, Chairman and CEO

The two questions, correct. The three to four starts where we are now, so toward the upper range, it's driven by both actually. The normalization of the more challenging industries in paper and basic, and our core and growth engine businesses that are doing extremely well. As we discussed before, our growth engines are growing double digits today. Some of our core businesses like in institutional and specialties are at four, F&B at five. Our core business and growth engines are doing really well at great margins and great margin development as well. So it's a combination of the two. Small specifically, the data center, we don't exactly disclose as such, but our global high-tech business is growing pretty strong, double-digit sales. We will publish our exact numbers in the first quarter, by the way, so I wanna make sure I'm getting ahead of my skis here. But we will get more color in the first quarter, but it's one of our best businesses that we have here. Very strong, strong margin, growing double-digit, strong rates, and Palivo is going to help in all the innovation I mentioned before on the cooling as a service. It's getting great reception from our customers that need it more than ever because chips get more powerful and get more concentrated on a rack. They create more heat that requires more cooling, and if that doesn't happen, the data center stops operating. It’s absolutely essential as a component of the compute offering here. Very good story, and early in that story. One of the businesses that's gonna become one of the best and biggest businesses we will have in the future.

Operator, Operator

The next question is from the line of Scott Schneeberger with Oppenheimer. Please proceed with your question.

Scott Schneeberger, Analyst

Thanks very much. Just a quick one. In life sciences, you had great momentum, a little setback in the fourth quarter on the margin trajectory. It looks like you're doing some global capability build-out. Just curious if that is going to be something that is pressured for multiple quarters, or are we going to get back to inflect and head high toward that target? Thanks.

Christophe Beck, Chairman and CEO

It's gonna be a great story in '26. We've been building that business for years, as you know. I always loved that opportunity. The first few years were more complicated than we were hoping. Not because of internal questions, but the market. It was a bit more challenging in the COVID era. It helped us gain share, build further our business, and now we're collecting the fruits of what we've built in life science, and you've seen the growth acceleration, bioprocessing, which is a core part of it, is doing extremely well and is really at the forefront of innovation for the biotech industry. We're all gonna really like the growth of that business starting in Q1 for life sciences. Our objective is to get to a 30% margin, but we will not reduce our investment in the meantime to get to the margin quicker. It's important that we get as much share as we can to get the returns ultimately in the long run that that business needs to sell. Overall, a great story that keeps getting stronger.

Operator, Operator

Thank you. Final question is from the line of Bob Rieslberger with Raymond James. Please proceed with your question.

Bob Rieslberger, Analyst

Thanks for taking the question. How is your customer retention in institutional and specialty?

Christophe Beck, Chairman and CEO

It hasn't changed. It's always in the low to mid-nineties in terms of retention. Attrition is obviously the reverse of that. It stayed very stable over the years. We're looking at that very carefully because we wanna make absolutely sure that we do not lose our customers. We have this mantra of never ever letting our customers down in institutional and specialty. There's another dimension: it's restaurants closing. There's not much we can do for that. It's very different by country, obviously, but the customers we have and the numbers I gave you include those closures that we can't do anything against. A short answer, very stable. That’s why I really like our institutional is doing, has done over the last five years as well, shifting towards digital technology, all those IQ platforms that we talked about, Aqua IQ, which is a remote service for pools around the world. When you think about the work that's required, that's taken over by AI with that application; those are game-changing innovations in that business that didn't exist five years ago. We're in a very good place in institutional and specialty that serves some of the quick service as part of this hospitality business. As you've heard, it's growing very nicely at 7% very consistently with great margin as well. I think that INS is in a very good shape. I'll end where I started: the company is doing well, and I especially like the growth development we have in our core businesses. The growth engines that are 20% of the company each day are growing double digits, with over-average margins as well. Our portfolio is shifting towards higher growth businesses, higher margins, which is exactly where we want to get to. That's why I feel as good as I can be in 2026 with everything I know today.

Andy Hedberg, Vice President of Investor Relations

Thank you. That wraps up our fourth quarter conference call. This conference call and the associated discussion slides will be available for replay on our website. Thank you for your time and participation. Hope everyone has a great rest of the day.

Operator, Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's teleconference. You may disconnect your lines at this time, and have a wonderful day.