Earnings Call Transcript
EPR PROPERTIES (EPR)
Earnings Call Transcript - EPR Q1 2023
Brian Moriarty, Vice President, Corporate Communications
Okay. Thank you, Eric. Thanks for joining us today for our first quarter 2023 earnings call and webcast. Participants on today's call are Greg Silvers, Chairman and CEO; Greg Zimmerman, Executive Vice President and CIO; and Mark Peterson, Executive Vice President and CFO. We'll start the call by informing you that this call may include forward-looking statements as defined in the Private Securities Litigation Act of 1995, identified by such words as will be intend, continue, believe, may, expect, hope, anticipate or other comparable terms. The company's actual financial condition and the results of operations may vary materially from those contemplated by such forward-looking statements. Discussion of those factors that could cause results to differ materially from those forward-looking statements are contained in the company's SEC filings, including the company's reports on Form 10-K and 10-Q. Additionally, this call will contain references to certain non-GAAP measures, which we believe are useful in evaluating the company's performance. A reconciliation of these measures to the most directly comparable GAAP measures are included in today's earnings release and supplemental information furnished to the SEC under Form 8-K. If you wish to follow along, today's earnings release, supplemental and earnings call presentation are all available on the Investor Center page of the company's website www.eprkc.com. Now, I'll turn the call over to Greg Silvers.
Greg Silvers, Chairman and CEO
Thank you, Brian. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us on today's first quarter 2023 earnings call and webcast. We are pleased to start the year with continued momentum, highlighted by 9% growth in total revenue and 15% growth in FFOAA per share versus the same quarter prior year. We have also collected all scheduled rent from Regal due in 2023 through April, as well as the scheduled deferral payments due from all customers for the same period. These results provide further evidence of our theme of recovery and highlight the resilience of our experiential investments. Additionally, during the month of April, Cineworld reported that it had entered into a restructuring support agreement with its secured lenders and subsequently filed a plan of reorganization. The proposed timeframe within the plan indicates that Cineworld should emerge from bankruptcy in early July. While we cannot comment on the status of our negotiations, the filing of the proposed plan defines the timeframe for resolution. At an industry level, we are encouraged by the continued substantial growth in box office revenues, as content production ramps up. Additionally, we are excited to see the significant news of both Amazon and Apple committing to spend $1 billion a year toward movies with theatrical releases. As we've stated many times, this firmly speaks to the importance of theatrical distribution and maximizing economics and building brands. In reviewing our experiential portfolio, we are seeing sustained demand, highlighted by our eat & play, experiential lodging and ski properties. Additionally, we are pleased to see our overall rent coverage continues to remain above 2019 levels. Our strong liquidity position allows us to deploy capital in a disciplined manner across a variety of experiential properties, including having a committed pipeline that we will fund in the coming quarters. With a durable income stream and ongoing recovery and additional growth from our investment pipeline, we are encouraged by our outlook for the year. Now I'll turn the call over to Greg Zimmerman to review the business in more detail.
Greg Zimmerman, Executive Vice President and CIO
Thanks, Greg. At year-end, our total investments were approximately $6.7 billion with 363 properties in service and 98% leased. During the quarter, our investment spending was $66.5 million. 100% of the spending was in our experiential portfolio and included the acquisition of an experiential property and continued funding for experiential development and redevelopment projects commenced in 2022. Our experiential portfolio comprises 289 properties with 49 operators and accounts for 92% of our total investments or approximately $6.2 billion, and, at the end of the quarter, was 98% occupied. Our education portfolio comprises 74 properties with 8 operators and, at the end of the quarter, was 100% occupied. Our value-oriented drive-to-destinations provide a compelling value proposition for families and we are confident they will continue to prove resilient. Turning to coverage. The most recent data provided is based on a December trailing 12 month period. Overall portfolio coverage for the trailing 12 months continues to be strong at 2 times. Trailing 12 month coverage for theatres is 1.3 times, with box office for calendar year 2022 at $7.4 billion. Trailing 12 month coverage for the non-theatre portion of our portfolio is 2.7 times. Now I'll update you on the operating status of our tenants. The first quarter was a continuation of box office recovery and acceleration. Q1 total box office was $1.7 billion, a 28% increase over Q1 2022, led by: Avatar: The Way of Water; Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania; Creed III; and Puss in Boots: The Last Wish. The quarter also had the breakout titles John Wick: Chapter 4 and Cocaine Bear. We were pleased with the performance of the children's offering Puss in Boots and the adult-oriented Tom Hanks film, A Man Called Otto. 11 films grossed over $50 million in the quarter. Led by the outstanding performance of The Super Mario Bros. Movie, Q2 is off to a robust start. At $146.4 million, Super Mario Bros. generated the second highest grossing opening weekend ever for an animated feature film, which in turn fueled the biggest five-day opening ever for any film at $204.6 million. Its outsized performance continues as the highest grossing 2023 title at $440 million to date and Universal's third-highest grossing domestic film ever. Through the past weekend, Southern titles have grossed over $100 million in 2023. Year-to-date box office gross stands at $2.49 billion and trailing 12-months box office gross is approaching $8 billion. Our high-quality theatre portfolio continues to outperform the industry. The biggest news in 2023 is the widely reported commitment from both Apple and Amazon to spend $1 billion to create content for theatrical release, reinforcing our long-held conviction that theatrical exhibition provides the best platform for studios to drive revenue, create buzz around a title and secure A-List talent. MGM's Creed III was the highest grossing film ever from Amazon at $156 million to date. Air, the first ever theatrical release from Amazon Studios starring Ben Affleck and Matt Damon, was released over Easter weekend and has grossed over $42 million to date. Air opened on more than 3,500 screens, making it the widest theatrical debut ever for a streaming service. Amazon reportedly spent over $40 million to market the film. Apple announced that Martin Scorsese's Killers of the Flower Moon with Leonardo DiCaprio and Ridley Scott's Napoleon with Joaquin Phoenix will each have theatrical releases before moving to Apple TV+. With these significant commitments from two of the largest streaming services, we continue to remain confident that the supply of films for theatrical release will continue to grow, driving the ongoing North American box office recovery. Turning now to an update on our other major customer groups. We continue to see good results and ongoing consumer demand across all segments of our drive-to, value-oriented destinations. Our Eat & Play assets continued their strong post-pandemic performance with portfolio revenue up for Q1 11% and EBITDARM up 4% over Q1 2022. Most of our attractions are closed or on reduced hours in the winter months. City Museum in St. Louis and both Titanic museums had continued growth in attendance, revenue and EBITDARM in Q1 over the same period in 2022. We are commencing construction in Q2 for both the expansion of the Springs Resort and Pagosa Springs and the redevelopment of our Murrieta, California conference center into a new natural hot springs resort. Performance across our Ski portfolio was good. Despite late season weather impact, December '22 through March 2023 ski season visits were up 11% and revenue was up 8% over the same period in 2021 and 2022. Good early season snowfall helped Northstar, but the unseasonably heavy late winter snowfall resulted in closures to much of Lake Tahoe and our Eastern Resorts had unseasonably warm weather at the end of the quarter. EBITDARM was negatively impacted by expense increases, including wages. Room renovations continue at our Four Season Alyeska resort in Alaska. Alyeska will join the Ikon Pass program for the 2023-2024 season and, to enhance summer offerings, just opened the Veilbreaker Skybridges, two 300-foot suspended bridges spanning two peaks at the resort. Our Margaritaville Hotel Nashville, proximate to all of Nashville's famous downtown destinations, continues its upward trajectory with increases in all metrics. With renovations complete at both a Beachcomber and Bellwether resorts in St. Petersburg, we saw occupancy, RevPAR and EBITDARM growth in the quarter. Our education portfolio continues to perform well, with year-over-year increases across the portfolio through Q4 2022 of 11% in revenue, 7% in EBITDARM and 18% in enrollment. We noted on our last quarter call that KinderCare acquired Creme de la Creme and we anticipated KinderCare would execute a pre-existing lease termination right for five early education properties. KinderCare has notified us of their intent to terminate those leases at the end of the school year in late June. We have begun marketing all five properties for sale and plan to redeploy the proceeds in experiential assets. Turning to a quick update on capital recycling. During the quarter, we sold a vacant former main event for net proceeds of $4 million. We continue discussions with multiple parties on our two remaining vacant theatres. In Q1, our investment spending was $66.5 million. In addition to the continued funding of experiential development and redevelopment projects commenced in 2022, we acquired a newly constructed Vital Climbing Gym in Williamsburg, Brooklyn, on a triple net lease for $46.7 million. Vital Climbing is our second investment in the climbing gym space. Both are in very strong markets with well positioned real estate. We're maintaining our investment spending guidance for funds to be deployed in 2023 in a range of $200 million to $300 million. As of the end of Q1, we have committed an additional approximately $245 million in experiential development and redevelopment projects, which we expect to fund over the next two years without the need to raise additional capital. We anticipate approximately $132 million of that $245 million will be deployed over the remainder of 2023, and that is the amount included at the midpoint of our 2023 guidance range. In 2023, cap rates continue to be in the 8% range. In most of our experiential categories, we are seeing high-quality opportunities for both acquisition and build-to-suit redevelopment and expansion. We continue to have a good pipeline with new and existing customers and concepts. Likewise, we continue to exercise discipline, reducing our near-term investment spending and funding the investments primarily from cash on hand, cash from operations and with our borrowing availability under our unsecured revolving credit facility. As we have said for the last several quarters, we are limited by the recovery of our cost of capital, not by opportunity. I now turn it over to Mark for a discussion of the financials.
Mark Peterson, Executive Vice President and CFO
Thank you, Greg. Today, I will discuss our financial performance for the first quarter and provide an update on our balance sheet. We had another strong quarter of results with FFO as adjusted of $1.26 per share versus $1.10 in the prior year, up 15%, and AFFO of $1.30 per share compared to $1.16 in the prior year, up 12%. Now moving to the key variances by line item. Total revenue for the quarter was $171.4 million versus $157.5 million in the prior year. This increase was due primarily to improve collections from certain customers, which continue to be recognized in revenue on a cash basis. During the quarter, we once again collected all scheduled deferred rent and interest from our customers and recognized $6.5 million as additional revenue from those on cash basis accounting. At quarter-end, we had approximately $110 million of deferred rent owed to us not on the books, which will continue to be recognized only as cash is received. Regal makes up approximately $82 million of this balance and is subject to the bankruptcy negotiation. Note, also as Greg mentioned, we have already received full rent and deferral payments from Regal in April and have collected all non-Regal deferral amounts owed for April as well. During the quarter, per court order, we also received a portion of Regal's September rent, totaling approximately $1.9 million that was recognized as additional revenue. Finally, also contributing to the increase for the quarter versus prior year was scheduled rent increases as well as the effect of acquisitions and developments completed over the past year. This increase was partially offset by the impact of property dispositions. Percentage rents for the quarter totaled $1.8 million versus $3.4 million in the prior year. The decrease versus prior year related to less percentage rent from an early education tenant based on a restructured lease and the timing of certain other percentage rent recognized in the prior year. Lastly, FFO as adjusted from joint ventures decreased by $1.3 million versus prior year to $70,000 due to the fact that we have more RV park investments this year and they generate losses during their off-season in the first quarter. In addition, although we had better operating performance versus the prior year at our experiential lodging properties in St. Petersburg, Florida, this income was more than offset by a non-recurring government incentive received in the prior year. Turning to the next slide, I'll review some of the company's key ratios. As you can see, our coverage ratios continue to be strong with fixed charge covered at 3.4 times in both interest and debt service coverage ratios at 4 times. Our net debt to adjusted EBITDAre was 5 times and our net debt to gross assets was 39% on a book basis at March 31. Lastly, our common dividend continues to be very well covered with an AFFO payout ratio for the first quarter of 63%. Now let's move to our balance sheet, which is in great shape. At quarter-end, we had consolidated debt of $2.8 billion, all of which is either fixed rate debt or debt that have been fixed with through interest rate swaps with a blended coupon of approximately 4.3%. Additionally, our weighted average consolidated debt maturity is five years, with no scheduled debt maturities in 2023 and only $136.6 million due in 2024. We had nearly $100 million of cash on hand at quarter-end and no balance drawn on our $1 billion. Again this quarter, we are not providing 2023 guidance for FFO as adjusted due to the continued uncertainty related to Regal's bankruptcy. We will provide this guidance subsequent to the resolution of these proceedings. As we have discussed previously, given our cost of capital and the current inflationary environment, we have consciously decided to continue to limit our near-term investment spending and fund these investments primarily from cash on hand, cash from operations and borrowings under our unsecured revolving credit facility. Accordingly, we are confirming our 2023 investment spending guidance range of $200 million to $300 million, and we do not anticipate the need to raise additional capital to fund these amounts. Guidance for percentage rent and G&A is unchanged from that provided the last quarter. Guidance details can be found on Page 24 of our supplemental. With that, I'll turn it back over to Greg for his closing remarks.
Greg Silvers, Chairman and CEO
Thank you, Mark. As we shared today, the experience economy continues to show its strength and resilience. Content providers are recognizing the value of theatrical exhibition in driving revenues and brand awareness. We now have commitments from all major studios and two of the three largest streaming groups for theatrical releases, which should positively impact box office recovery. Those who predicted the end of the cinema business will likely be disappointed. We believe our focus on experiences is supported by a consumer preference for them, and we offer the only diversified portfolio to capitalize on these trends. With that, I’ll open it up for questions. Eric?
Operator, Operator
Yes, thank you. At this time, we'll conduct a question-and-answer session. Our first question comes from Todd Thomas with KeyBanc Capital Markets. Todd, you are live.
Todd Thomas, Analyst
Hi, thanks. Good morning. I guess first, Greg, you talked about Amazon and Apple's commitment to theatrical exhibition. As you think about the release pipeline, I guess, do we start to see that release schedule accelerate in 2024? Is it a little bit more of an extended timeframe than that? And any sense on whether they're just targeting a lot more volume in content, or will these be sort of larger tempo-type releases? Any sense there?
Greg Silvers, Chairman and CEO
I believe our perspective is that the volume of overall releases will continue to increase. We're very optimistic about what 2024 holds as we move back to more traditional numbers. If you consider their projections of 10 to 12 films generating $1 billion each year, that averages to about $100 million per production. As Greg noted, the Killers of the Flower Moon is a $200 million production, so there will likely be a mix of smaller and larger projects. They have clearly not shied away from pursuing substantial production budgets, and we're eager to see what they bring to the table. Greg, do you want to add anything?
Greg Zimmerman, Executive Vice President and CIO
Well, I would also add, Todd, Air with Matt Damon and Ben Affleck probably won't get that close to $100 million, but it's still a solid film with over $40 million to date.
Greg Silvers, Chairman and CEO
It's the type of adult products that we've missed, candidly, over the last several years.
Todd Thomas, Analyst
Okay. And then, just in terms of Regal, you disclosed that 12.8% exposure from Regal, that does not include the deferral rent payments. But just curious if there's anything else when we think about Regal's FFO contribution that might be sort of baked in the model? Any operating expenses or other expenses, any other non-cash items or any considerations to the model that we should think about?
Greg Silvers, Chairman and CEO
I don't think so at this point, Todd. Other than I would say the one that's probably really kind of out-of-period deferrals was, as Mark mentioned, the September kind of payment for which their court ordered to continue to pay that stub rent period, which I think was $1.8 million for the quarter.
Mark Peterson, Executive Vice President and CFO
Yes, $1.9 million was accounted for, and we excluded that. Additionally, as mentioned in the schedule, deferrals and stub rent are also excluded from that 12.8%. Moving forward, the focus will be on the Regal negotiations and the bankruptcy proceedings and their outcomes.
Todd Thomas, Analyst
Okay. But it's a pretty clean one-for-one move from revenue to FFO in terms of Regal's exposure, that's the way we should think about it?
Mark Peterson, Executive Vice President and CFO
Yes.
Todd Thomas, Analyst
Okay. And then, again, realize the situation is very fluid and that there's some uncertainty around the outcome. But you're negotiating now, they're preparing to emerge in a few months. It seems like balance sheet is in good shape and you've limited investment spend at $200 million to $300 million for the year. Are you anticipating a ramp in investment spend perhaps once you have a better handle on your cost of capital and have a clear sense of how the resolution plays out with Regal?
Greg Silvers, Chairman and CEO
I believe that once we address the feedback we've received, which has impacted our valuation, we can expect an improvement in our multiples. This improvement is crucial since it reflects the primary factor hindering our growth, not the opportunities at hand, but our cost of capital. If we manage to reduce that cost, we would become more aggressive in pursuing our investment opportunities and executing our plans.
Todd Thomas, Analyst
Okay. And just last question, I guess around the timeline for you, for EPR, reinstating guidance and the mechanics around that, how should we expect that to play out? Will there be a resolution filed from Regal or Cineworld with a defined outcome for all locations and you'll have full certainty around that outcome and then we should expect EPR to file an 8-K with an update surrounding the company's portfolio and reinstate an outlook or guidance for the year? Is that how we should be thinking about it?
Greg Silvers, Chairman and CEO
Yes, given the significance of this matter, our intention is to hold a conference call to discuss its resolution in detail. We want to ensure everyone understands not just the outcome, but also the reasoning behind it and our perspective. This will go beyond a simple press release. Considering the importance that stakeholders are placing on this issue, it is crucial for us to maintain transparency throughout the process. Therefore, it would be beneficial for us to provide full disclosure regarding our support for the resolution and the underlying reasons behind it.
Todd Thomas, Analyst
Okay, great. All right, thank you.
Greg Silvers, Chairman and CEO
Thanks, Todd.
Operator, Operator
Our next question comes from Rob Stevenson with Janney Montgomery Scott. Rob, your line is open. Please go ahead.
Rob Stevenson, Analyst
Good morning, guys. Greg, given your comments about having more opportunity to cost-effective capital today, how should we be thinking about the education segment? Is there an opportunity there to sell chunks of that portfolio at reasonable prices, or is the cash flow to use still more valuable than the cap rates you could sell the assets at today?
Greg Silvers, Chairman and CEO
I think it's going to be kind of a balance, Rob, and I'll let Greg comment. This is Greg Silvers. I'll jump in. I think we feel like we're very close to one way or another given the emergence that their plan is to getting resolution on Cineworld one way or the other. And hopefully, I think we'll see us if we have a positive impact to our multiple, then we can be a little more thoughtful of either raising capital or selling. I think we'll see if we don't have that, we'll probably explore that education recycling a little more aggressively. But Greg?
Greg Zimmerman, Executive Vice President and CIO
Yes. And Rob, we're obviously constantly evaluating the market on the education portfolio. And then as I mentioned in my comments, we are anticipating getting these five back from KinderCare and we're already marketing those, and we're fairly comfortable that those will transact.
Rob Stevenson, Analyst
Okay. And then I guess how are you and the Board thinking about using some of the cash from this and/or any other sales to buy back some of the preferreds or even maybe some of the common versus making incremental investment these days given the implied yield of the securities as well in excess of what you could probably get on acquisitions?
Greg Silvers, Chairman and CEO
Well, again, I think we always look at it. Again, it's like an investment. And I think what most people forget is that buying your own shares back is not leverage neutral. And therefore, you have to kind of look at the total impact. But in every investment committee and in every kind of Board discussion, we are having those discussions about what is the right deployment of capital to drive value. So, those are all things that are taken into consideration.
Greg Zimmerman, Executive Vice President and CIO
The other thing just to comment on that, as we invest more, we continue to diversify our portfolio, reduce our theatre exposure on a relative basis. And secondly, we maintain relationships with our tenants because we have ongoing programs with several of them and to be there for them is important so that when we get to the other side and our cost of capital improves, we can do even more with them.
Rob Stevenson, Analyst
Okay, that's helpful. And then, last one for me, Mark, while I've got you. Is AMC still on cash basis accounting? And if so, how close are we to hitting the point where it reverts back to normal accrual accounting?
Mark Peterson, Executive Vice President and CFO
Yes, they are still on cash basis accounting. They don't have any receivables on or off the balance sheet. As far as getting back on accrual, really want to see continued performance. The box office is undergoing a nice recovery. We're monitoring that. We're monitoring the credit situation of AMC and, of course, Regal who is emerging from bankruptcy. So, I think we just want to see this play out, make sure to see the continued box office recovery and see their credit improve as that improves before we make any moves. From an AFFO point of view, it really doesn't make much difference because the difference would be recording some straight-line rent and most analysts kind of look at more cash flow. So, we're not in a rush to start recording a bunch of straight-line rent or even an initial straight-line rent entry. So that's kind of our thoughts on how we look at that.
Rob Stevenson, Analyst
Okay. I mean, I think more so than anything else people are looking at it as a signaling impact as to when AMC is maybe not off the watchlist, but basically moved off of the accrual stuff. And so it sounds like that probably more like a '24 event than a '23 event at this point, would you say?
Mark Peterson, Executive Vice President and CFO
Yes, they're just going through the approval, which is subject to the court ruling, I'm talking about AMC, to issue additional equity. So, of course, we'd like to see that and reduce their debt. So, we're monitoring that. Hard to predict when exactly that happens, but I think that we have some good prospects with box office improving and the ability to issue capital on their part going forward. So, we'll just have to monitor that.
Rob Stevenson, Analyst
Okay. Thanks guys. I appreciate the time.
Greg Silvers, Chairman and CEO
Thanks, Rob.
Operator, Operator
Thank you very much. Our next question comes from Eric Wolfe with Citibank. Eric, your line is open. Please go ahead.
Eric Wolfe, Analyst
Hi, thanks for taking my questions. First question, I'm just assuming the Regal capital structure gets cleaned up as proposed, I mean, do you think that sort of afterward there will be a sales market for some of those assets? And just in general, what do you think it takes to sort of get a little more liquid market for some of these theatre assets?
Greg Silvers, Chairman and CEO
I believe we are generally witnessing a recovery. It's clear that if Regal improves its credit profile and manages to reduce its debt significantly, we will see better liquidity in their operations. Considering the potential for a recovering market, I think we will start to see this liquidity improve. It is likely to be considerably better in 2024 as we remain optimistic about box office growth. As the narrative shifts from viewing this as a broader industry issue to recognizing it as a specific company problem related to over-leveraging, I expect to see increased interest in the sector.
Greg Zimmerman, Executive Vice President and CIO
Yes. And I just want to mention, Eric, that the box office recovery we talked about earlier is very broad-based across all segments, so we feel confident about the positions. We are working through our relationships as we see that evolve.
Eric Wolfe, Analyst
Got it. A tough one. And then, I guess, as we should think about sort of the quality of different theatre assets, I mean, what do you think we should primarily look to? Should we mainly look to coverage sort of being in dense market locations? And I guess within your own portfolio, would you say that there's sort of a wide range of quality or everything sort of consistent around certain levels of quality?
Greg Silvers, Chairman and CEO
I would say it's not as widespread or diverse as some might think. Generally, we are present in more major and secondary markets, but we are not really in highly rural areas. When people mention that there are 40,000 screens in the U.S., the reality is that only about 15,000 to 20,000 of those truly matter. The remaining 20,000 screens are located in small towns across America that do not significantly impact box office performance. Our focus has always been on high-grossing locations, as driving top-line numbers is important not only for the exhibitors but also for the studios, creating a strong alignment. Top-line revenue generation has consistently been a key metric for assessing the success of a theater. Greg, do you have anything to add?
Greg Zimmerman, Executive Vice President and CIO
Well, the other thing I would add, Eric, is that as we repeatedly say we have 3% of the theatres and generate 8.5% of the box office. And I would also say that there are plenty of middle market theatres that cover extremely well.
Eric Wolfe, Analyst
That makes sense. Lastly, I wonder how you plan to enhance your equity cost of capital, especially after a resolution with Regal. If that's not possible, have you considered the idea of spinning off a portion of your portfolio, whether it's theatres or other non-core segments, to help the remainder of the portfolio achieve a valuation that supports growth?
Greg Silvers, Chairman and CEO
Yes. I mean, I think we're always looking at ways to create value. Again, I think that's part of the Board's not only their task, but their purview. I don't think we have anything to comment on that, but I think our job and the Board's job is to drive value to shareholders. And any avenue to do that, we're going to look at. And if it makes sense, we will look at it very diligently. Just we have no comment on that now.
Greg Zimmerman, Executive Vice President and CIO
And the last point I want to reinforce is we will continue to maintain a very disciplined approach to investment, combining both existing acquisitions and build-to-suit opportunities in our target asset categories.
Eric Wolfe, Analyst
Okay. Thank you.
Greg Zimmerman, Executive Vice President and CIO
Thanks, Eric.
Operator, Operator
Thank you very much. Standby for our next question. And our next question comes from the line of Joshua Dennerlein with BofA Securities. Joshua, your line is open. Please go ahead.
Joshua Dennerlein, Analyst
Yeah. Good morning, everyone.
Greg Silvers, Chairman and CEO
Hi, Josh.
Joshua Dennerlein, Analyst
I was curious about the Regal negotiations. What is the focus? Is it on the three leases they were considering rejecting, or is it more about the brand, or what is the overall scope of the negotiation?
Greg Silvers, Chairman and CEO
I guess the easy thing to say is all of the above. I wish I could tell you that it’s one specific issue we are addressing, but there isn’t just one thing. Greg, you...
Greg Zimmerman, Executive Vice President and CIO
No, it's holistic. We're just trying to come to a resolution.
Greg Silvers, Chairman and CEO
Yes, it's kind of like in everything. They have a position, we have a position and leverage and who's moving to that and we'll see. I think we feel very comfortable with our approach. We think the market is supporting our approach with continued box office growth. So I think we'll see. In the end, we've tried to create what we think is a reasonable. Invariably, we think we're reasonable. And sometimes they don't necessarily agree with that. But we think our approach is thoughtful and holistic, as Greg said.
Joshua Dennerlein, Analyst
Appreciate that. Moving on to KinderCare, you mentioned that they'll be terminating in five weeks. What is driving that?
Greg Silvers, Chairman and CEO
I think there are many factors at play here. It's important to remember that KinderCare is in the process of acquiring another entity, so they are rationalizing their store setup. They need to consider whether they have multiple stores in the same market and what makes sense strategically. There are numerous elements influencing their decisions. We discussed this during our year-end call to ensure transparency. They have undertaken significant changes, which is common in major mergers and acquisitions. As Mark mentioned last quarter, we are also facing a rent reset next year, which we believe will allow us to increase our rents. Hopefully, we can recover some or all of the losses we experienced, and we will utilize the proceeds from selling these properties to drive further investment.
Greg Zimmerman, Executive Vice President and CIO
And Josh, as I mentioned, we're already marketing them and we've already had expressions of interest on all of them. So, we're very comfortable that we'll be able to transact these.
Joshua Dennerlein, Analyst
Okay. Thanks, guys.
Greg Silvers, Chairman and CEO
Thank you.
Operator, Operator
Okay. Please stand by for our next question. And our next question comes from the line of John Massocca with Ladenburg Thalmann. John, please go ahead. Your line is open.
John Massocca, Analyst
Good morning.
Greg Silvers, Chairman and CEO
Good morning, John.
John Massocca, Analyst
So, as we think about the $245 million you kind of have locked up to invest over the next two years, what's kind of the rough split of that by property type?
Greg Silvers, Chairman and CEO
Greg?
Greg Zimmerman, Executive Vice President and CIO
By property type...
Greg Silvers, Chairman and CEO
By segment...
Greg Zimmerman, Executive Vice President and CIO
Yes. No, I understand. I'm just trying to do the math in my head. Fitness and wellness...
Greg Silvers, Chairman and CEO
Experiential, eat and play...
Greg Zimmerman, Executive Vice President and CIO
Eat and play, yes.
Greg Silvers, Chairman and CEO
I think it is pretty well balanced.
Greg Zimmerman, Executive Vice President and CIO
Experiential lodging, yes. Less so cultural, no gaming, no theatres.
Greg Silvers, Chairman and CEO
No theatres, yes. So, across other groups, it's pretty balanced.
John Massocca, Analyst
Okay. So, basically, we should expect a roughly balanced split between eating and playing as well as experiential lodging.
Greg Zimmerman, Executive Vice President and CIO
Well, and fitness and wellness.
Greg Silvers, Chairman and CEO
Yes, Pagosa Springs and Murrieta.
John Massocca, Analyst
Okay. That makes sense. And then as we kind of think about, I mean it's not a huge number, but the kind of stub rents that you were paid in the quarter by Regal for September, is that something you could receive more of going forward? Is that just a one-time thing? I know there was kind of a mentioning of a stub rent in prior quarters. I don't know if it's kind of getting paid in increments. Just trying to think if we could expect kind of an additional kind of number to kind of fulfill all that they owed in September?
Greg Zimmerman, Executive Vice President and CIO
Yes. The court order allowed for four stub payments. We received one in December and three this quarter, so those court-ordered stub payments are now complete. In this quarter, the total amount of those deferred stub payments was $2.3 million, which includes $1.9 million in rent and $0.4 million as deferral repayment. This leaves us with a post-petition receivable for rent from Regal of about $3.4 million. We do not anticipate further stub payments, but following the resolution of the bankruptcy, we will see how the $3.4 million of post-petition rent is addressed.
John Massocca, Analyst
Okay. And then big picture, you talked a bit about ski resort properties' performance, and apologies if I missed this detail in the prepared remarks. But I guess given some of the weather pushes and pulls at the end of the ski season, how does that impact maybe coverage? And I guess how do those tenants look in terms of their off-season reserves?
Greg Silvers, Chairman and CEO
I think what Greg was mentioning is that this season has been unusual, particularly in the West due to excessive snowfall. However, the strong start to the season compensated for some of the later issues. Overall, coverage has been quite comparable to what we have experienced in prior years, and all reserves are fully stocked.
John Massocca, Analyst
Okay. That makes sense. That's it for me. Thank you very much.
Greg Silvers, Chairman and CEO
Thanks.
Operator, Operator
Our next question is from Mitch Germain with JPM Securities. Mitch, your line is open. Please go ahead.
Mitch Germain, Analyst
Hey, guys. Good morning. Just a quick question about the non-balance sheet deferrals. I guess you kind of talked about it just recently in the last answer. But is there some sort of schedule for that $100 million or so that's still owed? I mean, how should we think about that coming in over time?
Mark Peterson, Executive Vice President and CFO
Yes. So, $82.4 million of the $110 million involves Regal. We will see how that plays out in the bankruptcy. The remaining $38 million is mostly subject to a payment schedule that we are receiving quarterly. It is running about $500,000 to $600,000 per month, and we have received that amount over the last several quarters. This will continue primarily through 2024. Additionally, there is one tenant in that deferral where the repayment is more based on EBITDA. We will see how the EBITDA develops and what it brings in, but it's not tied to a specific schedule.
Mitch Germain, Analyst
Great. Thank you for that. Anything you could share about the acquisition this quarter?
Greg Silvers, Chairman and CEO
Again, Greg, what don't you...
Greg Zimmerman, Executive Vice President and CIO
Well, yes, Mitch, we're very enthusiastic about the climbing gym space. It provides a great opportunity for people to come together. We're equally as excited to do business with Vital, which is one of the best climbing gyms in the country. The other one we have is Movement. And then lastly, we're very excited about the real estate. The Movement is in Lincoln Park and this one is in Williamsburg, Brooklyn. So tremendous real estate, and we're really excited with the opportunity to do more business with both Movement and Vital.
Mitch Germain, Analyst
Okay. Thank you.
Mark Peterson, Executive Vice President and CFO
And by the way, I just want to update one thing. My non-Regal number for that deferral is $28 million. I was doing some bad math, $110 million in total, $82 million of which is Regal and $28 million of which is non-Regal.
Mitch Germain, Analyst
Thank you.
Greg Silvers, Chairman and CEO
You're welcome.
Greg Zimmerman, Executive Vice President and CIO
Thanks, Mitch.
Operator, Operator
And our next question comes from the line RJ Milligan with Raymond James. RJ, your line is open. Please go ahead.
RJ Milligan, Analyst
Great. Good morning, guys. I wanted to focus on the non-theatre portfolio and it sounds like all the segments have seen good revenue growth. And I'm just curious if there's anybody in the non-theatre portfolio, whether it be people that popped up on a watch list or credit issues? I'm curious how bad debt is trending relative to budget.
Greg Silvers, Chairman and CEO
I'll let Mark address the debt situation, as I believe there are no concerns. Performance-wise, we haven't experienced any decline in coverage or performance. As Greg mentioned, we are seeing strong revenue and EBITDA growth. The consumer remains very supportive of these experiences. Mark, over to you regarding debt.
Mark Peterson, Executive Vice President and CFO
Yes. I mean, as Greg said, our coverage on the non-theatre portfolio at 2.7 times versus 2.2 times in 2019 pre-pandemic. So, it's very strong and we're not seeing really any credit issues in the non-theatre business.
RJ Milligan, Analyst
Okay. That's helpful. I'm curious if you're seeing any theatre transactions and at what cap rates or what the buyer pool looks like.
Greg Silvers, Chairman and CEO
Again, we're not seeing a lot of activity. While there are some theatres being acquired by theatre companies, we haven't really observed significant real estate transactions yet. I don't.
Greg Zimmerman, Executive Vice President and CIO
No. And I think we'll see that as the box office continues to recover. I mean, all the news this year is just so positive that we expect to see that loosen up. I mean, last year we had 18 $100 million releases. This year, we're going to have 26. Last year, we had 71 films open on 2,000 screens or more. This year, we're going to have over 100. Next year, we'll have even more. Then we have the Apple news, the Amazon news, and then the outsized performance of a lot of films. So, I think it's very positive.
Greg Silvers, Chairman and CEO
I believe the narrative had to shift and it has now changed. The industry is not only set to recover, but it will also gain value from studios and streamers. As people begin to recognize this, the productivity of the boxes will become important and a transaction market will emerge. We are coming out of several years where these boxes were largely inactive and doubts about their viability were raised. However, that skepticism is now being disproven. We have support coming from the content side which needs to penetrate into the real estate side so that the belief takes hold. Once the numbers start confirming this, transactions will follow.
RJ Milligan, Analyst
That's it for me guys. Thank you.
Greg Silvers, Chairman and CEO
Thank you, RJ.
Operator, Operator
Standby for our next question, which will also be our last question, comes from the line of Michael Carroll with RBC. Michael, your line is open. Please go ahead.
Michael Carroll, Analyst
Yes, thanks. I jumped on late. So hopefully these questions haven't been asked already. So can you talk a little bit about just the transaction market in general and how has it changed over the past six months? I mean, have you seen I guess different or better opportunities kind of with the capital markets dislocation that's been going on?
Greg Silvers, Chairman and CEO
I'll let Greg elaborate on this, but my overall perspective is affirmative. We're not only identifying prospects with our long-established relationships, but we're also forming new ones. We mentioned Vital, and it's crucial to recognize that the private market is currently facing significant challenges due to existing debt conditions. Previously, we encountered substantial competition from private or family offices, but that's noticeably diminished. Now, Greg?
Greg Zimmerman, Executive Vice President and CIO
No, I think you've covered it.
Michael Carroll, Analyst
And then, Greg, how are you looking at new deal today? I know you're a little tight on, I guess your capital availability given where your cost of capital is. I mean, so what type of deals are you willing to pursue? And how much can you kind of get done here this year if things don't change?
Greg Silvers, Chairman and CEO
Yes, we're sticking to our core principle of focusing on quality real estate and building strong relationships. We're investing in long-term partnerships, so while achieving higher yields is important, it's not our main priority. We're pleased to secure attractive yields, but our primary goal is to ensure satisfaction for the long term. Regarding our capital situation, we believe that resolving current issues will lead to a positive change in our market valuation, as many investors have indicated this is a concern for us. This could further facilitate our growth in the future. There seems to be a general tendency for everyone to adopt a long-term perspective on growth right now. However, it's encouraging to see strong consumer support, resulting in organic growth for our tenants. Our strategy is focused on establishing enduring relationships, not solely on acquiring assets from sellers in need of capital. Greg and his team are dedicated to nurturing these relationships, which is crucial not only for our short-term projects in 2023, but also for our pipeline into 2024 and 2025. This is a significant focus for us.
Greg Zimmerman, Executive Vice President and CIO
In terms of volume, you said how much can you get done and our guidance is $200 million to $300 million, we can do that, well, as I said, without raising capital, but as importantly maintaining leverage kind of that low 5. So, all that's consistent with that. And that's really because of our significant cash flow and the way we set our dividend payout ratio so low, we're able to reinvest that cash flow and still grow, but without raising capital and maintaining that low leverage.
Michael Carroll, Analyst
Okay. Great. And then just last one. I know you talked a little bit about the theatre, I guess, private market valuations. I mean, have you had any discussions with potential JV partners or somebody that might be interested in acquiring a part of your portfolio?
Greg Silvers, Chairman and CEO
It's a great question, Mike, but we would not discuss it on an earnings call if we had. So, I'm going to leave that meaning that we have or haven't, but it's not the venue that we had to disclose that anyway.
Michael Carroll, Analyst
Okay, great. Thank you.
Greg Silvers, Chairman and CEO
Thank you for joining us. I believe Eric mentioned that was our last caller. I want to express my gratitude to everyone for participating. I hope you all take the opportunity to celebrate tonight as we are based in Kansas City and hosting the NFL draft. Let's show our city pride. Thank you again and have a great day.
Greg Zimmerman, Executive Vice President and CIO
Thank you.
Mark Peterson, Executive Vice President and CFO
Thank you.