Earnings Call Transcript - GBX Q2 2024

Operator, Operator

Hello, and welcome to the Greenbrier Companies Second Quarter of Fiscal 2024 Earnings Conference Call. Following today's presentation, we will conduct a question-and-answer session. At the request of the Greenbrier Companies, this conference call is being recorded for instant replay purposes. At this time, I would like to turn the conference over to Mr. Justin Roberts, Vice President and Treasurer. Mr. Roberts, you may begin.

Justin Roberts, Vice President and Treasurer

Thank you, Gary. Good morning, everyone, and welcome to our second quarter of fiscal 2024 conference call. Today, I'm joined by Lorie Tekorius, Greenbrier's CEO and President; Brian Comstock, Executive Vice President and President of The Americas; and Adrian Downes, Senior Vice President and CFO. Following our update on Greenbrier's Q2 performance and an update on our outlook for the remainder of fiscal 2024, we will open up the call for questions. In addition to the press release issued this morning, additional financial information and key metrics can be found in a slide presentation posted today on the IR section of our website. Matters discussed on today's conference call include forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Throughout our discussion today, we will describe some of the important factors that could cause Greenbrier's actual results in 2024 and beyond to differ materially from those expressed in any forward-looking statement made by or on behalf of Greenbrier. You will also notice that today, we will refer to the term recurring revenue throughout our presentation and comments today. Recurring revenue is defined as leasing and management services revenue that excludes the impact of syndication activity. And with that, I will turn it over to Lorie.

Lorie Tekorius, CEO and President

Thank you, Justin, and good morning, everyone. Greenbrier once again delivered strong performance as we move through our fiscal year. We are seeing operating efficiencies continue to improve, and we are progressing on our organization-wide initiatives. We have good momentum as we head into the second half of our year and beyond. We remain confident in Greenbrier's multi-year Better Together strategy and the three fundamental priorities underlying it. First is maintaining our manufacturing leadership position across our geographies. Second is meeting our customers' needs while optimizing our industrial footprint for efficiency and margin enhancement. Third is the pursuit of sustained, disciplined growth in leasing and services. Through Better Together, we are committed to enhancing our manufacturing performance while growing recurring revenue and cash flow by investing in the lease fleet. Turning to our results, we generated over $860 million in revenue and earnings per share of $1.03. A consolidated gross margin of 14% represents our second consecutive quarter of mid-teens margins. It reflects solid operating performance in manufacturing and leasing and management services, partially offset by lower wheelset volumes in maintenance services due to a milder winter. Last quarter, we said that one quarter of mid-teens margin was a great start toward our long-term strategic goal. It is still not a trend. We are continuing to work on facility rationalizations in manufacturing and maintenance services that commenced in fiscal 2023, advancing our make versus buy strategy and remaining focused on enhancing margins. We also continue our long track record of product innovation while incorporating sustainability into our designs. As you might recall in 2021, we introduced our high-strength steel gondola. In Q2, we successfully launched our ultra-high-strength gondola. The gondolas used an innovative formula for high-strength, lighter-weight steel, reducing each gondola's unloaded weight by up to 15,000 pounds. We also successfully constructed and tested a new 89-foot slab tilt flat car built for heavy industrial applications, as well as a new high-strength boxed car door. Our focus on innovation, manufacturing excellence and sustainability is earning Greenbrier favorable notices. Recently, CN recognized us for our efforts and commitment to sustainability as part of its Echo Connections partnership program. This is the first year CN included suppliers in its recognition program, and Greenbrier was one of only seven supply chain partners to receive the award. While accolades are always nice to receive, most importantly, our emphasis on innovating and elevating our manufacturing expertise supports our leadership position across the markets we serve. This performance continued in Q2 with Greenbrier receiving a nice balance of orders across our geographies. Market conditions for railcar leasing remain positive. Our expanded leasing strategy is gaining traction in both North America and Europe. This is a critical element of our multi-year plan and is expected to result in the doubling of recurring revenues within the next five years. Importantly, our balance sheet remains very healthy, allowing us to invest in our business while continuing to return capital to shareholders. This has been our long-standing and preferred approach to capital allocation. I'm pleased to report our Board declared a quarterly dividend of $0.30 per share this week, representing our 40th consecutive quarterly dividend. In the meantime, the economy in North America has been resilient. The probability of a soft landing is increasing, and the Fed has signaled it will likely make three interest rate cuts by the end of 2024. This year is also a U.S. presidential election year, along with national elections in the EU and Mexico. Our current disciplined approach in our core North American railcar market has attracted new capital to asset-based investing in railcars, which is encouraging. In Europe, while the economy is still lagging behind the U.S., the growth projections have been trending positively again, as indicated by the European Central Bank, but we are building momentum. Stable demand across railcar types in both North America and Europe underpin new builds and lease renewals. The southern border remains a focus as we address developments that could impact deliveries from our suppliers or to our customers in real-time. Border crossing issues impacted us at various times during the quarter, but the work performed by our skilled manufacturing and logistics colleagues successfully avoided severe impacts on Greenbrier. Sustained high performance across our business is in view. Our commercial team with its powerful lease origination capabilities continues to outperform, giving us excellent near-term and longer-term visibility into manufacturing and steadily building our stream of lease revenues. We are confident in the long-term strategy and multi-year targets and look forward to sharing our progress on future calls. Before I conclude my remarks, I'd like to acknowledge the contributions of Adrian Downes, who has been at Greenbrier since 2013. As we announced earlier this year, Adrian will be stepping down from his role as CFO. Adrian's service to Greenbrier during challenging times, including the pandemic, has been essential. During his time here, Greenbrier strengthened its balance sheet and expanded its global operations platform, integrating accounting and finance functions as we grow. We are incredibly grateful for his contributions to Greenbrier over the years and wish him all the best in his future endeavors. Thank you, Adrian. And with that, let me turn the call over to Brian Comstock, who will discuss our activities for the quarter in greater detail and review market conditions.

Brian Comstock, Executive Vice President and President of The Americas

Thanks, Lorie, and good morning, everyone. During Q2, Greenbrier secured new railcar orders of 5,900 units worth nearly $690 million. Demand continues to be broad-based and diverse across most railcar types. As of February 29, Greenbrier's global new railcar backlog was 29,200 units, valued at an estimated $3.6 billion. Backlog continues to be stable, providing significant revenue visibility well into 2025. Our commercial performance reflects our leading market position, strong lease origination capabilities and direct sales experience. International orders accounted for about 40% of the activity in the quarter, reflecting the continuing momentum in Europe and Brazil. We have been performing well despite a challenging backdrop in Europe, and our backlog remains very healthy, thanks to a broad portfolio mix. In Europe, volumes through our leasing distribution channel continue to grow. Our ability to originate and syndicate leases is critical to the long-term performance of our European manufacturing business. We remain excited about our opportunity in Europe, where the rail industry enjoys compelling secular tailwinds. We delivered 5,600 railcars to customers in Q2, roughly the same as last quarter. We increased the midpoint of our delivery and revenue guidance, indicating that deliveries will be weighted to the second half of the year. Second quarter gross margins of 10.8% declined slightly from Q1, but still improved by 380 basis points compared to the second quarter of last year. While we are working on numerous activities to optimize manufacturing efficiency, several efficiency gains we have made over the last 12 months are being sustained. Expansion of in-house fabrication for basic primary parts and subassemblies as part of our make versus buy strategy remains on track with the full benefit from in-sourcing expected to be realized by the middle of fiscal 2025. Leasing and Management Services also performed well in the quarter. We are steadily progressing to our stated goal of doubling recurring revenue from leasing and management services. Recurring revenue is growing from various sources, including new railcars added to our lease fleet and lease renewals at more favorable terms. We grew our lease fleet by about 500 units or 3.5% during the quarter. As a reminder, we have committed to invest up to $300 million per year on a net basis over the next several years to expand our recurring revenue as long as we do so in a manner that meets our financial criteria. I want to reemphasize that we will only invest in the right assets with the right lease terms and counterparties, and we are focused on railcar types that maintain our fleet portfolio balance. We regularly evaluate our financing strategies and are taking a prudent approach to financing growth of our lease fleet. Our average interest rate of 4.5% on our non-recourse leasing debt is significantly lower than current market interest rates. At the end of Q2, our fleet leverage was 77% in line with our targeted fleet leverage framework. We leveraged railcar assets and appraised fair market value, which results in borrowing ratios that are higher on a net book value basis. Our lease renewal rates continue to grow at double digits, and we have successfully renewed lease terms while maintaining a consistently high fleet utilization of nearly 99% in Q2. The leasing market remains healthy, characterized by a scarcity of in-demand railcar types and high fleet utilization among lessors. Moving in sequence with higher interest rates, our lease rates remain compensatory resulting in elevated rates for both new originations and renewals. We have strategically staggered lease durations to lessen the impact of cyclicality and create opportunities for favorable renewals. We have already renewed more than half of our expiring leases this year at more favorable rates. Our team is working on the remaining lease renewals, and we are confident we will finish the year successfully. Fundamentally, the backdrop of the North American railcar market remains solid with demand approaching replacement levels. While overall traffic is projected to remain steady, there is potential for intermodal growth due to the current challenges at the Suez and Panama Canals. These disruptions will likely redirect traffic to the West Coast ports, boosting rail transport demand. Additionally, near-shoring trends support long-term growth in traffic across the southern border. The supply of available railcars is still near trough levels, leading to robust lease rate growth, renewals, and term length. We are confident we have the right strategy in place to successfully execute our plan in this environment. In Q2, we syndicated 1,400 railcars with multiple investors, generating strong liquidity and margins. The syndication market remains liquid with a solid appetite for the asset class. The rail sector has proven to perform well over economic cycles and we continue to see increased syndication interest from new investors. Finally, Maintenance Services performance was impacted by lower wheelset and component volumes resulting from an unusually mild winter. We have several initiatives underway to improve this unit's efficiency by improving car flow, material planning and cycle time at all facilities. The backdrop for Maintenance Services remains constructive over the interim to longer term, driven in part by the last two peak tanker build cycles that will require repairs and requalification over the next several years. Now I'll hand the call over to Adrian, who will speak to our financial highlights for the quarter.

Adrian Downes, Senior Vice President and CFO

Thank you, Brian, and good morning, everyone. Before moving into the highlights of the quarter, I'd like to remind everyone that quarterly financial information is available in the press release and supplemental slides on our website. Greenbrier's Q2 performance was robust in our Manufacturing and Leasing segments as highlighted by Lorie and Brian in their remarks. After covering some of the highlights in the quarter, I'll provide an update to our fiscal 2024 guidance. Notable highlights for the second quarter include diverse new railcar orders of 5,900 units valued at nearly $690 million, the second highest over the past two years. Deliveries of 5,600 units include 300 units from our unconsolidated joint venture in Brazil. Consolidated revenue of $863 million grew sequentially due to a change in product mix, increasing manufacturing volumes and growth in our Leasing and Management Services segment. Aggregate gross margin percentage was 14.2%, resulting primarily from product mix, growth in the lease fleet and higher lease rates. Selling and administrative expenses of approximately $64 million increased sequentially primarily due to higher employee-related costs. Earnings from unconsolidated affiliates of $4 million more than doubled from the first quarter primarily due to higher earnings from our Brazilian joint venture, which are expected to moderate. Net earnings attributable to Greenbrier of $33 million generated diluted EPS of $1.03 per share. Finally, EBITDA for the quarter was $95 million or 11% of revenue. As we look to liquidity, Greenbrier generated positive operating cash flow of over $99 million in the quarter, resulting from strong earnings and a positive net change to working capital. Additionally, Greenbrier's Q2 liquidity remained solid at $581 million, consisting of $252 million of cash and available borrowings of $329 million. Other notable financing items in the quarter include the retirement of the remaining $48 million of our 2017 senior convertible notes with cash. As mentioned in our first-quarter remarks, we are providing a breakout between recourse and non-recourse debt in the footnote section of our 10-Q under notes payable and revolving notes. Greenbrier's debt composition is now composed of more non-recourse debt than recourse. This emphasizes our commitment toward reducing and retiring our recourse debt as cash flows improve and underscores our prudence with how we manage our capital structure and balance sheet. As Lorie mentioned, Greenbrier's Board of Directors declared a quarterly dividend of $0.30 per share. Based on yesterday's closing price, our annual dividend represents a yield of approximately 2.3%. Including activity from the second quarter, Greenbrier has returned nearly $510 million of capital to shareholders through dividends and share repurchases since reinstating our dividend program back in 2014, and these are actions that our Board and management team remain committed to. We believe this is a great way to create long-term shareholder value, and we will periodically evaluate increases to our quarterly dividend and look to repurchase shares opportunistically. Finally, shifting focus to our guidance and business outlook, based on current trends and production schedules, we are raising the bottom end of our 2024 revenue and delivery guidance, updating our capital expenditure forecast and reaffirming our gross margin outlook. We are raising the bottom end of our deliveries to 23,500, which includes approximately 1,400 units from Greenbrier-Maxion in Brazil. We are increasing the lower end of revenues to $3.5 billion. Selling and administrative expense is expected to be approximately $230 million to $235 million. Capital expenditures have also been updated, with forecasted expenditures in our Manufacturing segment expected to be around $140 million, which includes spending related to in-sourcing activities, followed by $15 million in our Maintenance Services segment. Gross investment of approximately $350 million in Leasing and Management Services is unchanged and includes current-year capital expenditures as well as transfers of railcars into the lease fleet that are manufactured and subsequently held on the balance sheet in 2023. Proceeds of equipment sales have been adjusted to approximately $75 million. Aggregate gross margin percentage for the full year is expected to be in the low to mid-teens. Overall, I am pleased with the performance in the second quarter and throughout the first half of the year, which has put Greenbrier on solid footing for a strong finish to the year. As we head into the second half, we are supported by a robust backlog, ample liquidity and a strong balance sheet. We are confident our outlook for fiscal 2024 is positive with earnings expected to grow. Now this will be my final earnings call at Greenbrier; I would like to take this opportunity to say thank you. I am privileged to have spent 11 years at Greenbrier, both as Chief Financial Officer and prior to that, Chief Accounting Officer. As Lorie mentioned, a lot has been accomplished over this time period and Greenbrier has a great leadership team reinforced by a strong balance sheet and improving results. I would like to thank our Board of Directors, shareholders and Lorie for the opportunities and support during this time. This has been a great place to work. Although I will be leaving this role, I will still be involved as a strategic adviser to help with the transition process and other projects. Thank you. And with that, we will open up for questions.

Operator, Operator

We will now begin the question-and-answer session. Our first question today comes from Justin Long with Stephens. Please go ahead.

Justin Long, Analyst

Thanks. Good morning. And Adrian, congrats.

Adrian Downes, Senior Vice President and CFO

Thank you very much.

Justin Long, Analyst

So maybe to start with a question on the gross margin outlook. You reiterated that outlook for the full year, the low to mid-teens, but through the first couple of quarters, we're tracking at the high end of that range. And the guidance also implies that production levels in the second half will be higher than the first half. And I would think that would create some positive operating leverage. So is there anything that you would kind of point to that could drive a sequential moderation of margins? Or do you feel like the higher end of that gross margin outlook is most reasonable as we sit here today?

Lorie Tekorius, CEO and President

So I'll give a couple of brief comments. We're excited about the progress we've made for the first half of this year. We're excited about what we see in the second half of the year. So I think that we're going to continue the steady progress. We're mindful that we have to put one foot in front of the other every day to move forward, and that's what we're doing. I think the last six months or two quarters are showing others that that's what we're capable of, and I expect us to continue on a modest trajectory.

Justin Long, Analyst

Okay. Got it. And maybe for my second question, I wanted to ask about orders and see if you could provide any additional color on how orders progressed through the quarter month-to-month. I know there can be some seasonality around year-end. And then anything you can share on the third quarter thus far and what you've seen in order and inquiry levels relative to Q2?

Brian Comstock, Executive Vice President and President of The Americas

Thanks, Justin. It's Brian. It's a good question because, as you know, coming out of the holidays, typically, it's a little bit slower, and the cadence is pretty much in line with your expectations. We came out of the holidays. People are now back doing their jobs. What we saw through the quarter is a progression of increased orders, particularly in North America as the quarter progressed. I would say that this quarter is off to a very strong start as well. So pipeline is still solid. Visibility is robust, and the car types are quite diverse.

Justin Long, Analyst

Okay, great. That's good to hear. I appreciate it.

Matthew Elkott, Analyst

Thank you. Good morning. Staying on the order question, Brian. It's nice to see a solid number for the quarter and that the activity is still strong in the third quarter. The ASP declined by a decent amount, I think, 16% Q2 versus Q1. Is that a function of the international portion being higher this quarter than last quarter? Or is there anything else in there?

Brian Comstock, Executive Vice President and President of The Americas

It's a little bit, Matt. Yes, it's a little bit of everything. At the end of the day, it's mix as usual, but also the mix of international orders has some headwinds to the average ASP as well. However, from a pricing perspective, what I can give you is that nothing has really changed in the industry. It's still very disciplined, and we're still seeing good pricing in the market.

Matthew Elkott, Analyst

Okay. That's good to hear. And then staying on kind of the mix question, but going to production, the benefit of product mix in manufacturing for revenue. Is that going to turn into a headwind going forward and thus the lack of what one would expect higher margin than you're guiding?

Justin Roberts, Vice President and Treasurer

So I think, Matt, we don't expect to see a material shift in our mix at this point. What we would say is we are – the reason we increased the bottom end of our range is we see more upside over the back half of this year. Part of this is just probably being aware that we are living in a very fluid economy. We do have very good visibility in manufacturing; we just want to make sure that we have a little bit of caution in our remarks at times and in our outlook. One thing we continue to learn is that this is a very fluid world, a very fluid economy. While we see a great outlook, strong orders, strong backlog, great momentum in manufacturing and production, we are trying to ensure that we are not going to get too far out over our skis and over-promise. But at this point, looking at Lorie and Brian right now, I don't see any significant changes from our trajectory.

Lorie Tekorius, CEO and President

And Matt, maybe just to add, while we love having a big backlog, it gives us the ability to plan our production lines and be very efficient. At the same time, we are investing particularly in Mexico with our in-sourcing project that will continue to add to efficiencies in our costs, which will enhance our margins.

Matthew Elkott, Analyst

Okay. Got it. And Lorie and Justin, you guys alluded and Brian alluded to intermodal possibly starting to recover late this calendar year. Those are lower ASP cars, but can you talk about the margin effect? Would they be margin dilutive? Or are they margin neutral, even though they are lower ASP?

Lorie Tekorius, CEO and President

I would say they're either margin-neutral or their margin benefit depends on. But so you're right off the top line, but we would expect to maintain the margin. And actually, I think now that I'm quickly thinking through math in my head, a lower sales price with good margin dollars should be a benefit to margin percentage.

Matthew Elkott, Analyst

Got it. Great. Yes. Thank you very much.

Harrison Bauer, Analyst

Hi. This is Harrison on for Bascome Majors. Thanks for taking my questions today. Lorie and Brian both mentioned the milder winter affecting the maintenance business, but now that's been revenue dropping for three quarters sequentially and then profits have dropped the last two; could this be a broad cyclical adjustment or maybe specific customers pulling back the use of their network? And then when would you expect stabilization and maybe what some of your trajectories for the maintenance business going forward?

Justin Roberts, Vice President and Treasurer

Hey, Harrison, this is Justin. Good to hear from you today. I would say that actually this business has always had some seasonality and cyclicality, so you see a run-up in our fiscal Q2 in the winter and then a further step up in our fiscal Q3 in the spring because the winter does drive volumes in the wheel business and then there's a spring restocking. Q4 and our fiscal Q1 definitely have more normalization. So we see this as a broader – this isn't a change in the business; this is more of just the normal seasonality we see in the winter time, which didn't manifest this year. While we're moving into our Q3, we're undertaking various remedial actions to ensure that our volumes are going to manifest as expected, and that we're managing the cost structure and overhead as proactively as possible. I don't know if there's anything else you'd like to add, Brian, on that.

Brian Comstock, Executive Vice President and President of The Americas

No, I think you hit it perfectly, Justin. The seasonality typically rolls over two, two and a half quarters. We're already seeing that moderate as we move into this next quarter, and we're not projecting any major shortfalls moving forward in that business.

Harrison Bauer, Analyst

Thank you for that. For my second, now that the North American manufacturing production rate and margin profile seem to be stabilizing with solid order recovery sequentially, can you share some updated thoughts on what your ultimate margin range you'd expect to generate manufacturing with a mid-cycle backdrop? And from where we sit today, if orders are stable, would you expect a higher or lower margin maybe just directionally for fiscal 2025? Thank you.

Lorie Tekorius, CEO and President

Great question, Harrison. I would say that if I look out into 2025, and we have stability and the visibility that we have right now, I would expect to be at the upper end of the range that we provided. The men and women working within our manufacturing organization as well as our commercial organization are always finding ways to improve the throughput so that we can drop more of the revenue through some margin and to the bottom line.

Ken Hoexter, Analyst

Great. Good luck to Adrian, and congrats to the team on building the backlog. But maybe if I can, Lorie, unpack that margin – your multiple margin outlook a little bit better. I guess, near term, I know you just gave a long-term 2025, but given your low to mid-teens outlook, are you still expecting manufacturing margins to stay at double digits here for the second half? And then do you expect to see maintenance margins. I didn't quite get the answer there. Are you expecting them to return to double digits? Or maybe you can give your thoughts on that.

Lorie Tekorius, CEO and President

Thank you, Ken. I hope I didn't misspeak, but we are expecting mid-teens margins with the expectation that we will continue marching through this fiscal year on a solid trajectory.

Justin Roberts, Vice President and Treasurer

And on a consolidated basis.

Lorie Tekorius, CEO and President

From the Maintenance Services business perspective, we do – as Brian said, we're taking a number of actions to think about how we're running that business, how we're scheduling equipment into those shops to strain efficiency. That's part of the reorganization of some of our activities and combine some of our operating resources around engineering, quality and things like that, so that we can take the strengths that we have in our manufacturing operations and share those more broadly with our rail services group and vice versa. I would say we do expect in the third quarter our margin and we expect to continue on the overall path for consolidated margins to improve.

Justin Roberts, Vice President and Treasurer

And if I could just draw a firm line under your manufacturing question, Ken, we do not anticipate manufacturing margins going backwards, much less dropping back into the single digits at this point on a gross margin basis, just to be very clear about that.

Lorie Tekorius, CEO and President

Thank you, Justin.

Ken Hoexter, Analyst

Very helpful. And then Lorie, if I can revisit – I think it was maybe Matt's first question on the ASP decline. I guess if I just look at the backlog, total revenue per ASP per car, right, in terms of your total backlog, it fell, as you mentioned. Is that – I just want to revisit, is that just a mix issue in terms of what you're selling versus anything going on in the industry? I just want to clarify that one answer there.

Justin Roberts, Vice President and Treasurer

So it's a combination of mix. And then there is some, as you're well aware, we do have the ability to escalate and deescalate raw input costs on our backlog. And so as there is some moderation on our input costs, primarily steel, that pricing comes down a little bit too. The piece to really reiterate is that on a core pricing basis, the pricing that drives profitability and on lease rates, that is being disciplined, and that is stable to up across the various car types.

Ken Hoexter, Analyst

All right. That's helpful. Oh, go ahead.

Lorie Tekorius, CEO and President

Well said, Justin.

Steve Barger, Analyst

Hey guys, good morning. Looking at Slide 12, with the fleet leveraged to 77% of book value, do you expect incremental debt from here to primarily just fund additions to the lease fleet at that ratio plus or minus?

Lorie Tekorius, CEO and President

Yes.

Steve Barger, Analyst

And is lease fleet leverage the primary metric that you're focused on going forward? Or is there a net debt-to-EBITDA target for the company? I'm just trying to think how you're changing your mindset to think about the balance sheet.

Lorie Tekorius, CEO and President

As we think about our lease fleet and the leverage associated with that, as Brian had talked about, we're very disciplined about what we're putting on our balance sheet, and we want to leverage it appropriately locking in interest rates, thinking about the term, considering the conditions. I think the team has done a really good job of being in the market at the right time and having the right sort of flexibility in the type of debt that we put on our balance sheet. We'll take into consideration the market as to what's going on at that point in time as to what the right debt is. With the cash flow that we'll be generating from the leasing business, along with the margins in our other businesses, we would expect to pay down some of our corporate recourse debt over time.

Steve Barger, Analyst

Okay. A couple more leasing questions. The Slide 10, I think, says average term is 4.2 years. What is that for recent renewals?

Brian Comstock, Executive Vice President and President of The Americas

Most of the renewals are coming in substantially longer. We're seeing five to seven years on average. That's what's bringing it up. As you look quarter-over-quarter, you'll notice that it brings it up, but it takes a lot of renewals to move it incrementally beyond the 4.2 years. Most of the renewals are kind of coming in at the five to seven-year range.

Steve Barger, Analyst

Got it. Thanks. I know the lease fleet is still relatively small but growing; it is obviously a focus initiative for you. Do you anticipate putting out a lease renewal index similar to the LPI or the FLRD?

Lorie Tekorius, CEO and President

We were just talking about that the other day and trying to figure out what acronym we would come up with. Yes, we don't have anything to unveil today.

Steve Barger, Analyst

Okay. Great. Thank you.

Justin Roberts, Vice President and Treasurer

Steve, this is Justin real quick. To answer the question, I know you usually ask, we do expect the back half of the year to be stronger from an operating cash flow perspective, and then that will also generate some free cash flow that we can deploy into deleveraging and other aspects of our business.

Steve Barger, Analyst

I appreciate you anticipating that for me. Well, and that's good to hear. I look forward to seeing that positive free cash flow. Thanks.

Lorie Tekorius, CEO and President

Thanks, Steve.

Operator, Operator

This concludes our question-and-answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Lorie Tekorius for any closing remarks.

Lorie Tekorius, CEO and President

Thanks, everyone, for your time and attention. I know Justin will be speaking with some of you later today. Thank you, and we look forward to sharing progress in the future.

Justin Roberts, Vice President and Treasurer

Thanks, everyone.

Operator, Operator

The conference has now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect.