Earnings Call Transcript

GULF RESOURCES, INC. (GURE)

Earnings Call Transcript 2023-09-30 For: 2023-09-30
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Earnings Call Transcript - GURE Q3 2023

Operator, Operator

Greetings. Welcome to the Gulf Resources Third Quarter 2023 Earnings Conference. Please note, this conference is being recorded. I will now turn the conference over to your host, Helen Xu. You may begin.

Helen Xu, IR Director and CEO

Thank you, operator. Good morning, ladies and gentlemen, and good evening to all those joining us from China and the U.S. I would like to welcome all of you to Gulf Resources Third Quarter 2023 conference call. I am Helen Xu, the IR Director and CEO of the company; Mr. Xiaobin Liu will also join this call today. I would like to remind all our listeners that in this call, certain management statements during the call will contain forward-looking information about Gulf Resources Incorporated and its subsidiary business and products within the meaning of Rule 175 under the Securities Act of 1933 and Rule 3b-6 under the Securities Exchange Act of 1934, and are subject to the Safe Harbor created by those rules. Actual results may differ from those discussed today, taking into account a number of risk factors, including but not limited to the general economic and business conditions in the PRC, the risk associated with the COVID-19 pandemic outbreak; future product development and production capabilities, shipments to end customers, market acceptance of new and existing products, additional competition from existing and new competitors from the bromine and other oilfields and power production chemicals, changing technology, the ability to make future bromine assets, and other factors beyond its control. All forward-looking statements are expressly qualified in their entirety by this cautionary statement and the risk factors detailed in the company's reports filed with the SEC. Gulf Resources assumes no obligation to revise or update any forward-looking statements to reflect events or circumstances after the date of this call. Accordingly, our company believes the expectations reflected in those forward-looking statements are reasonable and there can be no assurance that such will prove to be correct. In addition, any reference to the company's future performance represents management's estimates as of today, the 20th of November 2023. For those of you unable to listen to the entire call at this time, a replay will be available on the company's website, and the call is also accessible through the website and link that is available through our website. Please locate our press release issued earlier for the details. Before focusing on the major contents of this conference call, I would like to briefly discuss the proposed change in our chairmanship. Mr. Yang founded our company, and Mr. Liu joined the company in 2007 and became CEO in 2009. Mr. Liu, who has investments in many companies in Sichuan Province, has decided not to stand for reelection as Chairman at the annual meeting on November 30, 2023. The board has nominated Mr. Liu to serve as our next Chairman. We would also like to refer to a recent press release discussing our flood prevention plan. As we issued earlier that in the year 2018, Shouguang city experienced the impact of a typhoon regarded as one of the most destructive typhoons in history, which resulted in the region receiving 14.9 inches of rainfall, and the overflow of three major surveys along the Miho River led to extensive flooding in farmland, residential routes, and industrial factories. All of the company's bromine factories, crude salt tanks, and mining areas were seriously impacted. The company incurred substantial expenses amounting to more than $40 million, including write-offs and costs for road repairs, equipment replacement, salt pan reconstruction, and redrilling of flooded wells. A year later, Typhoon Lekima struck Shouguang city again, surpassing the destructive force of its predecessor. Once again, the company had to spend more than $6 million to rectify the aftermath, involving road repairs, equipment replacement, salt pan reconstruction, and flood mitigation. To mitigate the risk of similar damages in the future, the company has commenced a flood protection initiative. Our strategy involves the renovation of the channels of four major rivers within our mining area, combating the tributary of the Miho River. The aim is to prevent flooding that could damage the wells, aqueducts, and crude salt pans at our plant. The projected expenditure for this initiative amounts to approximately $50.5 million. As of this quarter, ending September 30, 2023, the company disbursed approximately $15.15 million for the initial phase of this project. Apart from reducing risk to surrounding regions, we anticipate there are three notable advantages from this flood prevention plan. It is expected to enhance the probability of opportunity approvals to reopen factories number two and number ten. Secondly, it will enable the drilling of additional wells across our five operating factories. Thirdly, it mitigates the risks and associated expenses related to future stoppages caused by flooding. Given the company's current financial position and its substantial cash resources, the company believes that the flood protection plan will yield favorable returns over the long term. So now let's turn to the results of the third quarter and the nine months. During the third quarter, sales declined by 74%. Net income after tax was a loss of approximately $1.8 million compared to approximately $9.0 million. Net loss per share was $0.17 compared to a net profit of $0.86. Shareholders' equity was approximately $260.8 million or $24.99 per share. Total results for the three months ended September 30, 2023; in the third quarter of 2023, revenue only declined by 74% to approximately $5.9 million from approximately $22.9 million. Specifically, bromine revenues declined by 75% to approximately $4.9 million from approximately $19.8 million. The decrease in net revenue was primarily due to the reduction in the volume of tons sold, which was down 43%, and a 57% decrease in the average selling price of bromine. During the quarter, the average selling price was $3,237 compared to $7,474. As of November 16, 2023, based on sensors.com data, the price of bromine has seen an increase of approximately 7.4% to $3,477. The decrease in the selling price of bromine reflects both economic weakness in China and excess inventory. Following the aftermath of COVID, the reduction in tons sold reflects the company's strategic decision not to engage in aggressive competition, aiming to safeguard the long-term value of its resources. Additionally, crude salt revenues declined by 70% due to an 18% decline in pricing and a 63% decrease in tons produced. As crude salt is a byproduct of bromine, the decreased production of bromine also resulted in a reduction in the production of crude salt. There were no revenues generated from our chemical products business yet, while our natural gas business obtained approximately $68,000 in revenue through equipment leasing. Gross profit for the quarter amounted to a loss of $580,000 compared to a profit of approximately $14.5 million in the previous year. Specifically, our bromine business suffered a gross profit loss of approximately $1.1 million compared to a profit of $12.5 million, while crude salt achieved a gross profit of $511,500 compared to $1.9 million previously. The company incurred direct labor and factory overhead amounting to approximately $1.0 million during the plant shutdown, compared to approximately $1.9 million previously. General and administrative expenses were approximately $762,900 compared to $584,500 previously. Consequently, our loss from operations amounted to approximately $2.3 million, compared to a profit of approximately $11.9 million in the prior year. The net income after tax was a loss of approximately $1.8 million, compared to a profit of approximately $9.0 million, and the net loss per share was $0.17 compared to a net profit of $0.86. Results for the nine months ended September 30, 2023, revenues over nine months declined by 51%, a decrease of approximately $23.2 million from approximately $47.5 million. Specifically, bromine revenue also fell by 51% from approximately $20.7 million to approximately $41.9 million. Notably, there was a 9% increase in bromine costs, reflecting the addition of section number eight. However, despite this, the gross profit margin decreased to 7%, down from 57%. Throughout the nine months, the average selling price of bromine was $3,493 per tonne compared to the previous record of $7,674 per tonne. Revenues from crude salt also declined by 51% to approximately $2.3 million from approximately $5.5 million. While the production volume declined by 31%, no revenue was generated from the chemical business yet. Conversely, revenue from natural gas increased by 13% from the equipment leasing. The gross profit for nine months totaled approximately $2.7 million compared to $26.4 million. Specifically, the bromine business accrued a gross profit of approximately $1.5 million compared to approximately $27.7 million in the previous period. Our crude salt business achieved a gross profit of approximately $1.0 million compared to approximately $2.6 million. Meanwhile, the chemical business recorded no gross profit, and the natural gas business marked a gross profit of approximately $150,000 compared to approximately $132,600 previously. The company incurred direct labor and factory overhead during the planned shutdown amounting to approximately $4.5 million compared to approximately $6.0 million in the previous period. General and administrative expenses were approximately $2.3 million compared to approximately $3.4 million previously. As a result, our loss from operations amounted to approximately $4 million compared to a profit of $17.0 million previously. Net income was a loss of approximately $3.0 million, compared to a profit of $12.7 million previously. The net loss per share was $0.29, compared to a profit of $1.22. Cash flow during the nine months ending September 30, 2023, we generated approximately $9.9 million from operating activities and invested approximately $15.2 million, primarily in our flood protection program. As for our balance sheet, as of September 30, 2023, our cash balance was approximately $103.8 million, based on the shares issued and outstanding as of September 30, 2023, that translates to $9.95 in cash per share. The net cash, which is cash minus our liabilities, was $8.21 per share. Working capital was approximately $10.07 per share. Shareholders' equity was approximately $260.7 million or $24.99 per share. So now let me turn the call over to Mr. Liu for his additional commentary.

Xiaobin Liu, CEO

Helen Xu, IR Director and CEO

Here is the remark from Mr. Xiaobin Liu, the company's CEO. First of all, welcome all of you to attend the Gulf Resources Third Quarter 2023 Earnings Conference Call. In the third quarter, our results were adversely impacted by the diminished price of bromine. We attribute this drop in price to two major factors. First, the sluggish state of the construction market in China led to reduced purchases of bromine for fire retardant applications. Secondly, the lingering impact of the COVID pandemic resulted in decreased demand for bromine in medical instruments and sterilization. Despite these challenges, our company remains optimistic about the long-term equilibrium of bromine's demand and supply. We anticipate a resurgence in the demand for bromine-based products, and emerging products such as zinc bromine batteries and new medical products present opportunities for sustained demand growth. However, the supply of bromine continues to be constrained. Notably, based on 2022 production data, we estimate that over 75% of global bromine production is concentrated in regions like Israel, Jordan, and Ukraine, which are currently facing military conflicts or wars. We adopt a prudent strategy while navigating the market. We have held back seeking approvals to open section number two and section number 10 as we await improved pricing. Additionally, we have postponed the procurement of the final equipment for our chemical factory, awaiting clearer insights into opportunities for innovative bromine products. We have scaled back our sales, anticipating higher returns from future bromine sales. Since the end of the quarter, we have observed a gradual but consistent uptick in the market price of bromine. We are monitoring the events in the Middle East, recognizing that any disruption in the Dead Sea region could certainly alter the market dynamics. Looking ahead, we are ambitious in our plan to return to profitability in the upcoming fourth quarter. Moreover, we aim to progress with the opening of our chemical factory and obtaining approvals for our remaining two bromine factories and ideally resume our natural gas exploration in Sichuan Province. Now we are open for the question-and-answer section.

Operator, Operator

Thank you. The first question comes from Alan Perkaca, a private investor. Alan, please proceed.

Unidentified Analyst, Analyst

Good morning, Helen. Good morning, management. Given what happened in Q3, I have a couple of quick questions. My first question is, could you explain why there was a delay in the 10-Q filing in Q3?

Helen Xu, IR Director and CEO

Hi, Alan. This quarter's delay in filing was because the auditors needed more documents or materials when they were doing their review.

Unidentified Analyst, Analyst

But yes, that's okay. It is not a fully audited quarter. It's not like a 10-K. So, I am curious to know what we are concerned about in the quarterly filing. But, okay. So, the auditors are the reason why you have some delay. My second question, if you don't mind. My second question is regarding this flood prevention investment. And just as I have already mentioned in the past, we definitely wanted the company to consider some actions to mitigate the risk of flooding and I think that's great. The only thing that surprised us is that we learned that last minute. So I don't know when the decision was taken, but to learn last minute that we have a $50 million investment and that’s already $15 million during Q3. That was kind of a surprise to shareholders. So, when was the decision taken to make this $15 million underlying investment?

Helen Xu, IR Director and CEO

It was made during September in Q3.

Unidentified Analyst, Analyst

And you were able to spend $15 million in September?

Helen Xu, IR Director and CEO

No. I mean, the decision you mean the final decision when was…

Unidentified Analyst, Analyst

The decision to plan I mean to spend $15 million, when was the decision made towards? I just find it that shareholders find it interesting that we just learned about it and suddenly we are told $15 million has already been spent. So, we would have liked to have a little more of a warning when you made the decision to do this investment? The big question is how much do you expect to spend in Q4 of the $15 million?

Helen Xu, IR Director and CEO

Maybe in Q4, the rest of the project will be spent, around $35 million approximately.

Unidentified Analyst, Analyst

$35 million in Q4.

Helen Xu, IR Director and CEO

Approximately.

Unidentified Analyst, Analyst

The last point is regarding the bromine pricing and market. You have restricted production in Q3 because the price went pretty low. Are you still restricting production in Q4? Or do you expect to go to full production in Q4? Whatever is full production, because it’s winter, so I know it’s not as high as in the summer.

Helen Xu, IR Director and CEO

Okay. First, we think the bromine price is in its recovery stage, and we think it’s under its current stage, so we should not launch a substantial production all at once. We estimate the production volume may be similar to last year's Q4. Secondly, we think because the Dead Sea region's situation could impact market dynamics and pricing of bromine as well. So, we are currently monitoring the events in the Middle East.

Unidentified Analyst, Analyst

Yes. Regarding that, I mean, I've seen that the price of bromine that is coming from the legalities are coming from the U.S. is higher than the price of bromine in China. Is the export team looking at the possibility of exporting some bromine to Asia, like to India or to Singapore? Has the export task force looked at that?

Helen Xu, IR Director and CEO

Hi, Alan. Firstly, because the downstream bromine industry is primarily located in the China area, not in Asia. So, the main demand is here. Secondly, because bromine is very dangerous to transport, and the transportation cost is very high. So, based on these two factors, we think if we wanted to export it, we would need to evaluate and monitor the market conditions and the cost versus benefit.

Unidentified Analyst, Analyst

I think if the export platforms could look at that, that would be a great thing. Okay. Sorry for all these questions being so long. But thank you very much for your answers.

Operator, Operator

The next question comes from John Smith with Gulf Resources. Please proceed.

Unidentified Analyst, Analyst

Hello? Can you hear me?

Helen Xu, IR Director and CEO

Yes. Hi, John.

Unidentified Analyst, Analyst

Hi. First, I want to thank the Chairman for his long-standing contribution to the company. He has effectively built the business, and I believe the current CEO is well-positioned to continue this strong management. So, thank you for that. Now, regarding Elaine's question about bromine, I appreciate that we have invested $50 million in flood prevention, which is beneficial. However, if we could export some bromine, I understand that the costs might be prohibitive, and from an economic standpoint, it may not seem viable. Yet, if we could manage to export between $2 million and $5 million annually, that revenue could be used for share buybacks. With the stock currently at an all-time low, this action could significantly boost market value. I think you are effectively managing the business, but to enhance shareholder value, it's crucial to consider perspectives beyond just economics. This approach could enable you to compensate yourselves with stocks valued at $8 per share, and if you bought back 2 million shares at this price, it would greatly elevate the stock's value. Thank you.

Helen Xu, IR Director and CEO

Okay, John. Thank you very much. We will consider your suggestion. By the way, we want to say that the bromine raw material is a very dangerous material during transport, so there might be some regulatory requirements from the government policy when we want to export. But anyway, we will do more research on these projects and see if we can achieve this.

Unidentified Analyst, Analyst

Awesome. Yes, I understand it might be more expensive. But again, maybe even if you lose some money, it could really boost the stock price. Thank you. I have one more question. Would you, hypothetically, consider a buyout at $15 or $20 a share?

Helen Xu, IR Director and CEO

What do you mean by $20 or $15 per share?

Unidentified Analyst, Analyst

Would you consider a buyout at $15 or $20 a share?

Helen Xu, IR Director and CEO

No, we don't think about this currently.

Unidentified Analyst, Analyst

And then I have one more question. The flooding, the big flood that happened, was that in 2018, which caused $40 million in damage? If that were to happen again under the new flood plan, what would your estimates be? How much would that cost the company if a similar typhoon hit after your provisions?

Helen Xu, IR Director and CEO

If a similar typhoon as in 2018 were to happen again, after all these provisions are made, we think the cost for us to recover everything down would be very low. Maybe around $3 million to $5 million we can complete the recovery.

Unidentified Analyst, Analyst

That's really good if that’s true. So that makes the plan seem a lot better.

Operator, Operator

The next question comes from Randy Liggett, Private Investor.

Unidentified Analyst, Analyst

I'm afraid, I'm not going to be as nice as the first. I mean, this conference call sounds like the same one we've heard for the last 10 to 15 conference calls. And I mean, it doesn't sound like management has taken to heart any ideas that investors have brought to them. Okay, the flood prevention plan, that's fine. But we haven't looked at advisors to help the company. Management's fine with the bromine facilities and remediation of the facilities and all that stuff. They cannot and have shown they cannot enhance shareholder value. If anything, look at the price of the stock. I don't understand the stubbornness of why we will not hire advisors to help management get through this. It's just an anomaly to me. I would think you guys would want to get paid. We would like to get paid, and for heaven's sake, if somebody offers, as John mentioned, $15 to $20 a share, sign on the dotted line. This has been going on for how many years? And this is all fine and dandy, but we keep prodding, and I mean, we just talk about the same old stuff every conference call. It’s like management does not listen to anything that investors are throwing out there for ideas. I mean, look at where the stock closed down. I mean, $1.50, and I haven't even done the math on the reverse split. I'm sure somebody on here probably knows that. But when is management going to wake up and listen to a few things that we are suggesting, and please go hire an advisor?

Helen Xu, IR Director and CEO

Okay. Hi, Randy. Thanks very much for your comments. We want to say that we have always been thinking about our shareholders and how to reward them. Initially, maybe last quarter or previous quarters, we thought that because we have many production lines, we wanted to have all our production lines more online or finished before we could talk to an IR firm to see how they could give us guidance based on our ideal business model. In order to help our investors increase our shares, as of now, based on commentary and the current situation, we may consider this option. We will go to talk and consider speaking with an advisor to see how we can proceed, hoping they can help us promote the company and increase awareness while improving returns to our shareholders.

Unidentified Analyst, Analyst

I think that's great, but we're not taking any action on it. I want to see real progress. We keep discussing this, but it's the same situation. There are Chinese investment bankers and international investment bankers working throughout China. I just don't understand the situation. We're suddenly spending a lot on flood protection, but we're not hiring anyone to help us realize the company's value. I don't understand it. I've been in this industry for a long time, Helen. And it is...

Helen Xu, IR Director and CEO

Yes. I know you.

Unidentified Analyst, Analyst

Okay. What about the local government? Go ahead.

Helen Xu, IR Director and CEO

In the Sichuan project, the local government has some new ideas, and there are some new competitors in the industry that have emerged. So, we are still engaged in active discussions with the local government regarding this project.

Unidentified Analyst, Analyst

Have you all even thought about going to China Petro? What's the big company that has the natural gas fund next to where you yell in the land? What's the big company? I mean, I don't know why we don't go to them and try to do a joint partnership. I just don't get it. And then I'm going to keep quiet, Helen, and thank you for your help, as usual.

Helen Xu, IR Director and CEO

The discussions regarding agreements, no matter with local governments or special channels or other companies, are very complicated. There are numerous items and criteria under discussion, and until everything is finalized, we cannot elaborate too much about it.

Unidentified Analyst, Analyst

One last comment. Please go hire an advisor this week. There are plenty of them out there that would take $1 million to spend a little bit of money with them and let them see what they can come up with, please. Thank you, Helen, as usual. I appreciate it.

Operator, Operator

The next question comes from Tom, Private Investor. Tom, please proceed.

Unidentified Analyst, Analyst

Thank you for taking my question. I have a few questions. I hope you can hear me.

Helen Xu, IR Director and CEO

Yes, I got you, Tom.

Unidentified Analyst, Analyst

So, the typhoons that hit in 2018 and 2019, and we are in 2023. I want to understand the reasoning for proceeding with this flood prevention program at this stage. So, I want to understand the management thought process on why the decision was made to proceed with this flood prevention program currently.

Helen Xu, IR Director and CEO

Firstly, Tom, after the typhoons in 2018 and 2019, we needed to evaluate the surrounding area and our main area to consider how to approach this. We also observed how other companies handled their situations until they finished. We learned valuable knowledge and experiences from them. At this stage, we think it is an appropriate time to proceed, as we now have more understanding.

Unidentified Analyst, Analyst

Thank you. That sounds like a reasonable explanation. I want to get a sense of what the $15 million expense was? And I think from one of the other gentleman's question, I understood that the remaining nearly $35 million was going to be spent in Q4. Is that assumption correct?

Helen Xu, IR Director and CEO

Yes. Probably. Yes.

Unidentified Analyst, Analyst

Okay. My next set of questions are regarding the previous gentleman who asked if the management would consider a buyout at $15 or $20 a share. I think the CEO answered that they would not consider it. I wanted to understand why they would not even consider it. The reason is that around 2017, there were around $209 million in the company's books. As of this release, there's only half of that, around $104 million or so. We have gone through a period where there has not been much return for shareholders. Not much value has been created. In fact, a lot of value has been decimated in the last seven years or so. I want to understand from a shareholder's perspective why the management would not even consider a buyout at $15 or $20 per share.

Helen Xu, IR Director and CEO

Hi, Tom. I think because this question we discussed in previous quarters. Firstly, the company has our bromine business segment, even though now it is not performing well, but once the bromine price increases to a better level, our business will be very profitable. Additionally, our natural gas project in Sichuan province holds significant potential because the concentration of the bromine resources there is quite low. Third, despite the chemical business not being online yet, we have great confidence in that segment as well. Overall, we think our resources are limited, and we have confidence in our company's future. That's why we do not consider selling it at $15 or $20 currently.

Operator, Operator

We have reached the end of the question-and-answer session. I will now turn the call back to Helen for any closing remarks.

Helen Xu, IR Director and CEO

Hi, operator. I think if there are no more questions, we can close the call today as it's time to wrap up. Welcome. If any shareholders have questions, feel free to email me, and I would be happy to respond.

Operator, Operator

Thank you. This concludes today's conference. Disconnect your line at this time. Thank you for your participation.