Earnings Call Transcript
Helmerich & Payne, Inc. (HP)
Earnings Call Transcript - HP Q4 2023
Operator, Operator
Good day everyone and welcome to the Helmerich & Payne Fiscal Fourth Quarter Earnings Call. It is now my pleasure to turn today's conference over to the Vice President of Investor Relations, Dave Wilson. Please proceed.
Dave Wilson, Vice President of Investor Relations
Thank you, David and welcome everyone to Helmerich & Payne's conference call and webcast for the fourth quarter and fiscal year ended 2023. With us today are John Lindsay, President and CEO and Mark Smith, Senior Vice President and CFO. Both John and Mark will be sharing some comments with us after which we'll open the call for questions. Before we begin our prepared remarks, I'll remind everyone that this call will include forward-looking statements as defined under the securities laws. Such statements are based on current information and management's expectations as of this date and are not guarantees of future performance. Forward-looking statements involve certain risks, uncertainties and assumptions that are difficult to predict. As such, our actual outcomes and results could differ materially. You can learn more about these risks in our annual report on Form 10-K, our quarterly reports on 10-Q and our other SEC filings. You should not place undue reliance on forward-looking statements and we undertake no obligation to publicly update these forward-looking statements. We also make reference to certain non-GAAP financial measures such as segment operating income, direct margin and other operating statistics. You'll find the GAAP reconciliation comments and calculations in yesterday's press release. With that said, I'll turn the call over to John Lindsay.
John Lindsay, President and CEO
Thank you, Dave. Good morning everyone. Thank you for joining us today. Our fiscal 2023 did not unfold as originally planned, but I want to underscore three noteworthy items that stand out in my mind as being pivotal for the company going forward. First, we continue to demonstrate that we are approaching the business differently with a heightened focus on contract economics versus market share. This was evident in fiscal 2022 when the rig count was increasing. In fiscal 2023, the challenges were different as the rig count only declined much of the year. Yet we still maintained our economic focus and did not revert back to the historical habit of cutting price to maintain market share. Second was the ability of the company to quickly pivot and adapt to a more challenging market while still achieving much of what we set out to do. We generated healthy margins and a reasonable rate of return for stakeholders. Lastly, we returned approximately 10% of our market capitalization to shareholders through base and supplemental dividends and share repurchases, all of this while maintaining a strong balance sheet. Turning to the details of fiscal 2023, rig demand was negatively impacted by geopolitical and economic uncertainties that influenced the global oil market, as well as warmer than expected winter weather which suppressed pricing in the U.S. natural gas market. Again, we quickly adapted to the market conditions and maintained focus on achieving economic returns above our cost of capital with evidence of a return to traditional focus on market share. Despite the adversity, H&P delivered differentiated commercial value to its customers in return for compelling contract economics. Even though the industry's super-spec rig count declined during much of 2023, we expect activity will increase in 2024 but at levels below the highs seen last year. Those incremental super-spec rig additions will most likely tighten effective super-spec market utilization well above the 80% level, which historically has been favorable for us from a pricing perspective. Direct margins per day held up relatively well during the fourth fiscal quarter despite the industry decline in rig activity. Notwithstanding the drag created by the sidelining of higher priced spot market rigs during the past couple of quarters, we were able to maintain and slightly improve our revenue per day during the quarter. Nevertheless, our expenses per day did trend higher and we will comment on that further. Looking ahead to the next quarter, our guidance suggests our margins will be flat to up slightly. Our ability to drive consistent and reliable value for customers through operations and technology solutions ultimately determines market share over the long term. The adoption of performance-based contracts increased to 52% in the fourth quarter from 41% a year ago. These contracts deploy H&P's suite of technology solutions that help to drive strong performance and greater reliability. Drilling services make up only a small portion of the overall cost of a well, but rig performance can have an outsized influence on the ultimate economics of the project. Identifying, measuring and then consistently delivering solutions and technologies to improve efficiency and drilling outcomes creates a win-win for both H&P and our customers, improving the financial returns for both as well. An important element within our contract economics are the operational costs involved in providing our services. Over the past two years, we have experienced increases in operational expenses due to rising labor costs and consumable inventory consumption and cost inflation. A less visible but growing variable is the cost acceleration in equipment related to running H&P's FlexRig fleet harder than ever before to achieve the well designs, lateral lengths and the drilling efficiencies for our customers. We've seen the inflation related to labor and consumable inventory items decrease somewhat in 2023. However, it is being offset by the service intensity required to maintain rigs and equipment at standards that will continue to drive performance and efficiency gains. Let me provide an example. In the last 10 years, average lateral lengths have doubled to over 10,000 feet, and at the same time, the well cycle times have improved by 22%. This means that each FlexRig today drills about 4.5 more wells on average per year and those rigs have doubled the exposure to the resource. In 2023, the fleet actually drilled 15 million more feet of wellbore working 33 fewer rigs than a decade ago. This is an example of service intensity and a significant cause of increasing costs related to higher operational costs required to deliver consistency, efficiency and the increased volume of work each rig is now expected to produce. To put a finer point on the magnitude of these cost increases and the impact on our contract economics, North America Solutions operating costs have increased over 50% since 2014. Like most businesses, we are also experiencing inflationary pressures in our non-operational expenses, particularly around labor and third-party services which are key drivers behind our projected increase in selling, general and administrative expenses. Mark will give more details on this in his remarks. We have begun to capitalize on unconventional opportunities outside the U.S., enabling us to further diversify our operations over the long term. I'm pleased with the early signs of success here, particularly with our recent tender award with Saudi Aramco and the operations of our first super-spec rig in the Beetaloo Basin in Australia. In fiscal 2024, we plan to build on this momentum and continue to deploy capital for future international growth opportunities. We're also thankful for celebrating 50 years in Colombia, 25 years in Argentina and the consistent contribution from our Offshore Gulf of Mexico operation and we're excited about the potential contribution from these segments in the years to come. Shifting to our efforts focused on the energy transition, we are furthering our strategy of deploying capital and expertise to companies advancing innovative approaches to energy. As an example, our investments in geothermal are helping to develop an alternative carbon-free 24/7 power source. We're providing unconventional drilling learnings and FlexRig technology solutions to enhance and enable next-generation geothermal contracts. A recent highlight is the encouraging progress in the field with one of our geothermal investees, Fervo Energy. We're currently drilling the fifth well of a multi-year drilling campaign in Utah. This is their first geothermal development project, which will include constructing the second largest geothermal plant in the U.S. and with plans of producing 400 megawatts of geothermal power by 2028. H&P's super-spec FlexRig-3 along with our technology suite has surpassed our customers' anticipated performance targets. Our strategic alliances with Fervo and our other innovative companies have put us firmly on the path to participate in next-generation geothermal opportunities and grow our unconventional geothermal drilling expertise to a larger scale. In addition to our operational and growth accomplishments during the year, we believe an essential ingredient in achieving shareholder success is having a multi-pronged approach to capital allocation. First and foremost, we prioritize the Company's longstanding posture of a strong financial position and fiscal prudence. Second, we look to invest in organic projects with attractive returns so that we can continue to lead the industry in the U.S. and develop future growth internationally. Finally, we seek to return capital to shareholders. We have an established base dividend augmented by supplemental dividends and share repurchases when those opportunities exist. Mark will provide additional details about the plan in his remarks. I'm proud of H&P's team service attitude and strategic achievements this fiscal year and we'll remain vigilant as we navigate through 2024. We enter this new year with a sense of optimism around the U.S. market and international opportunities, as well as what we can deliver to both customers and shareholders. We believe the outlook over the next several years is encouraging for our industry. The long-term energy fundamentals are strong and as such H&P remains ready and we'll continue to take actions to ensure future success for the company. And with that I'll turn the call over to Mark.
Mark Smith, Senior Vice President and CFO
Thanks, John. Today, I will review our fiscal fourth quarter and full year 2023 operating results, provide guidance for the first quarter and full fiscal year 2024, and comment on our financial position. Let me start with highlights for the recently completed fourth quarter and fiscal year ended September 30th, 2023. The company generated quarterly revenues of $660 million compared to $724 million in the previous quarter. The decrease in revenue was primarily due to the expected reduction in active rig count for the North America Solutions fleet. Total direct operating costs incurred were $410 million for the fourth quarter versus $430 million for the previous quarter. The sequential decrease was driven by the aforementioned reduction in activity, though this decline was somewhat offset by lower fixed-cost absorption and maintenance and supply expense intensity that were on the higher end of the range this quarter. General and administrative expenses totaled $56 million for the fourth quarter and $207 million for fiscal 2023, which aligns with our expectations. The fiscal '23 effective tax rate was approximately 27%, which is within the previously guided range. To summarize fourth quarter results, H&P earned a profit of $0.77 per diluted share compared to $0.93 in the previous quarter. Earnings per share were positively impacted by a net gain of $0.08 per share from select items, primarily made up of gains on investment securities and settlements of outstanding claims, partially offset by a blue chip swap transaction. Excluding these select items, adjusted diluted earnings per share was $0.69 in the fourth fiscal quarter compared to an adjusted $1.09 during the third fiscal quarter. Capital expenditures for the fourth quarter were $114 million, totaling $395 million for fiscal 2023, which is generally in line with our expectations from the July earnings call. H&P generated $215 million in operating cash flow in the fourth quarter and a total of $834 million for the full fiscal 2023. Our cash flow generation funded $846 million in capital deployment, including $395 million of capital expenditures, $104 million in base dividends, $98 million in supplemental dividends, and $249 million in share repurchases along with related excise taxes. We will discuss our expected accretive fiscal '24 cash generation and cash position later in these remarks. Turning to our three segments, beginning with the North America Solutions segment, we averaged 149 contracted rigs during the fourth quarter, down from an average of 166 rigs in fiscal Q3. We exited the fourth quarter with 147 contracted rigs, which was at the high end of our expectations. The 147 rigs correspond to approximately 80% utilization of the super-spec rigs that have worked within the last year. Revenues decreased by $66 million sequentially due to the expected decline in the number of working rigs. Segment direct margin was $239 million, within our July guidance range. Total segment per day expenses, excluding reimbursables, increased to $19,800 during the fourth quarter from $18,700 per day in the third quarter. This was above our expectations due in part to maintenance and supply expenses from rigs operating harder. Other cost drivers included rig churn and decreased labor and overhead absorption. During this trough period, we retained crew personnel and regional specialty positions as well as staff in rig fabrication and maintenance facilities, resulting in lower scale absorption this quarter. Additionally, the segment incurred a charge of $150 per day related to the change in the fair value of a contingent liability associated with an acquisition earn-out based on operating performance metrics. Looking ahead to the first quarter of fiscal 2024 for North America Solutions, we currently have 147 contracted rigs. The contractual churn has been higher than anticipated, keeping our activity level relatively flat thus far in the quarter. However, we expect to end the first fiscal quarter with between 150 and 156 rigs working and anticipate adding more in fiscal Q2. Our current revenue backlog from our North America Solutions fleet is approximately $1.1 billion for rigs under term contract, up from $900 million in the previous quarter. As of today, around 60% of the U.S. active fleet is on a term contract. As activity increases, we expect our average pricing levels to remain steady given that spot pricing levels have remained stable and above lower-rate legacy term contracts that are rolling into the current pricing environment. In the North America Solutions segment, we expect direct margins in fiscal Q1 to range between $235 million and $255 million. With 70% to 75% of our daily costs tied to labor, it is typical to see seasonal declines from payroll taxes, etc. Overall, our operating costs have increased about 25% since the end of fiscal 2019 and are expected to remain close to current levels due to several factors, including material and supply inventory usage from longer laterals, increased labor expenses influenced by two inflation adjustments in the past two years, and supply chain cost inflation. Continued rig churn is also driving costs higher. These increased costs are among the many reasons we are focused on maintaining the recently achieved pricing levels, as we aim to secure appropriate returns on our investments. Regarding our International Solutions segment, we had around 13 rigs active as of September 30, which was as expected and remains flat from the prior quarter. We adjusted our international guidance via our October 18 press release due to the acceleration of some rig commissioning from timing efficiencies at our Houston facility and certain expatriate labor expenses. Additionally, we faced a foreign exchange loss of $4.6 million on Argentine pesos based on the devaluation of the official exchange rate affecting this segment. Separately, we experienced a $12 million investment loss related to accessing the blue chip swap exchange mechanism in Argentina. Despite this investment loss, we managed to repatriate $9.8 million to the U.S. that would otherwise not have been available. Looking towards the first quarter of fiscal 2024 for the International segment, we anticipate idling one rig in Argentina mid-quarter, with all other countries maintaining constant activity levels. Besides any foreign exchange impacts, we expect to achieve between $7 million and $10 million in direct operating margin contribution in the first quarter. Turning to our Offshore Gulf of Mexico segment, as expected, we completed the demobilization of a rig in the fourth fiscal quarter, and now have three of our seven offshore platform rigs contracted. We also hold management contracts on three customer-owned rigs, one of which is currently active. Offshore generated a direct margin of around $7 million during the quarter, within our guided range. For the first quarter of fiscal 2024 in the Offshore Gulf of Mexico segment, we expect to generate between $3 million and $7 million in direct margin, which is a sequential downturn primarily due to the stacking of the rig mentioned earlier. Now let me look forward to the first fiscal quarter and full fiscal year 2024 for certain consolidated and corporate items. I want to reiterate features in our multi-pronged approach to capital allocation that John mentioned earlier. Our strategy focuses on maintaining a strong balance sheet along with investment-grade credit metrics, investing in our market-leading North America Solutions fleet, and deploying capital to support growth and diversification opportunities internationally through prudent investments in our rig fleet. Our recently announced supplemental shareholder plan for 2024 aims to return capital while continuing our strategy introduced last year to flexibly enhance shareholder value. As discussed in our October press release and in yesterday’s release, our fiscal 2024 capital expenditures have three components: North America, International, and Corporate. The North America Solutions component includes maintenance CapEx costs, which are anticipated to exceed the high end of the fiscal 2023 range due partly to supply chain delays in capital spending for equipment refurbishment and recertification rolling into fiscal 2024. For fiscal '24, maintenance CapEx per active rig should be about $1.3 million to $1.5 million based on current expectations for maintenance facilities and supply chain throughput. This level of capital intensity has some inflation included from the past couple of years, but it is also projected to be high due to ongoing catch-up spending from the 2020 downturn. The international component includes plans for a minor upgrade of three rigs in Argentina, using funds already in the country to elevate them to full super-spec capacity. We plan to continue converting slightly over one rig per month to walking capability at our Houston facility, resulting in about 14 conversions in fiscal '24. These conversions will be divided between North America Solutions and international exports depending on the success of current and anticipated international bids, as well as U.S. customer demand for attractive rates and terms. The final component for corporate and information technology mainly covers enterprise, financial, and operating system upgrades and improvements in rig communications. We expect depreciation for fiscal 2024 to be around $390 million. Our sales, general, and administrative expenses for the full fiscal 2024 year are expected to be about $230 million, which is an increase from the prior year. We are continuing to build our capabilities to support the Company, including expertise that aligns pricing with the value delivered in North America and securing initial growth in the Middle East international markets. We have also introduced various software-as-a-service solutions to enhance our data and analysis across multiple areas. Furthermore, we've faced inflation across many functional areas in 2023, affecting labor and third-party services, which will impact our full run-rate in fiscal 2024. Our investment in research and development largely focuses on providing solutions for our customers, such as drilling automation, wellbore quality, and power management. We expect R&D expenditures to be around $30 million in 2024. Our anticipated effective income tax rate range is between 24% to 29%, with the variance above the U.S. statutory rate of 21% due to state and foreign taxes. Based on estimated fiscal '24 operating results and capital expenditures, we are projecting a consolidated cash tax rate range of $150 million to $200 million. Now, regarding our financial position, as of September 30, 2023, Helmerich & Payne had cash and short-term investments of approximately $350 million, compared to $293 million at June 30. Including availability under our revolving credit facility, our liquidity remains around $1.1 billion. As announced in their October press release, pending ongoing board approval, we plan to distribute supplemental dividends throughout fiscal 2024 totaling about $68 million, which represents approximately 50% of the projected remaining cash flow following capital expenditures and our established base dividend. Essentially, over two-thirds of cash flow after capital expenditures is planned to be returned to shareholders, with about one-third retained for flexibility. Currently, this flexible $68 million, along with our $350 million in cash and short-term equivalents, allows us considerable flexibility for accretive investments, opportunistic share buybacks, and/or further supplemental dividends. Our future capital allocation plans continue to prioritize returning cash to shareholders, adding to the roughly $3.1 billion returned to shareholders in the past 10 years through dividends and share repurchases. That concludes our prepared comments for the fourth fiscal quarter. Let me now turn the call over to David Creed for questions.
Operator, Operator
We will take our first question from David Smith with Pickering Energy Partners. Please go ahead. Your line is open.
David Smith, Analyst
Hi, good morning. If you can indulge me for just a second.
John Lindsay, President and CEO
David. We can barely hear you. If you can speak up a bit.
David Smith, Analyst
Okay. Is this any better?
John Lindsay, President and CEO
Yes, that's much better, David. Thank you.
David Smith, Analyst
Okay, sorry about that. If you could indulge me for just a second so I can properly frame the question. I wanted to acknowledge the impressive leadership and success on the pricing discipline, the strong shareholder returns generated. Not many companies returning almost 50% of EBITDA to shareholders in '23. But then I look at the international CapEx program, which I think was around $100 million to $110 million in fiscal '23. I think it looks closer to $150 million, $160 million for fiscal '24. I see a segment that generated $25 million of direct margin this last fiscal year. And just wanted to ask if you can kind of remind us what the investment is targeting in terms of what kind of activity levels you're ultimately targeting, the timing to get there. Any other you might want to bring to the international growth aspirations?
John Lindsay, President and CEO
Thank you, David. That's a great question. I did want to mention that we do have a lot of aspirational growth internationally. I also wanted to be clear that there are multiple tender bids that are going on, multiple countries really. And so at this stage of the game, we're really not in a position where we want to give out a lot of information related to that as far as just the details, just for competitive advantages - competitive reasons. I think in the next couple of months, we'll be able to get quite a bit more color on that. But suffice it to say, our intention is to continue to invest in the FlexRig fleet that's here in the U.S. and look to export that capacity internationally.
Mark Smith, Senior Vice President and CFO
I might just add a couple of footnotes, Dave. Over the long term, obviously, our goal is to grow the percentage of the corporation's consolidated EBITDA in international by exporting some of these rigs that are suited for unconventional emerging markets overseas. But we're not giving any specifics related to those targets. It's a long process and we had a couple of key wins that John mentioned in the prepared remarks, Saudi Arabia and Australia that will happen this year, but we're trying to do these investments, obviously generating returns, like a double-digit ROIC that we achieved in fiscal 2023 through time. And as John said, we want to be, for competitive reasons, we don't want to talk a lot about specifics with these. Suffice it to say, that we have some ongoing current bids and some others that we anticipate coming down the pipeline and in the near term we can put some rigs to work in the U.S. for short-term contracts having these available for longer-term export opportunities. I'm confident that we will generate returns on the investments made.
David Smith, Analyst
Great. I appreciate all the color and look forward to the announcements when you're able to make them. If I could sneak a quick follow-up in there, and sorry if I missed this. But just thinking about the fiscal Q1 guidance for North America Solutions with margins. I think the implied daily margin flat to slightly up. I was just wondering if you could share your view on how the daily OpEx is impacting the Q1 guidance?
Mark Smith, Senior Vice President and CFO
Yes, David, I appreciate the question. Costs were higher as we mentioned in the fiscal fourth quarter. And I would just put it into three buckets really for simplification. I think we're over 1,000 to 1,100 versus a lot of analyst estimates. And I would say call it 300 of that was related to labor absorptions. So with increasing rigs, that will come down. Another 200 or so related to the higher materials and supplies consumption and intensity, which appears to be with us for a bit. But the balance - the rest, really, are a hodgepodge of other items that should not reoccur.
David Smith, Analyst
Okay, great color, I appreciate that. I will turn it back.
John Lindsay, President and CEO
David. Thank you.
Operator, Operator
We'll take our next question from Kurt Hallead with Benchmark. Please go ahead. Your line is open.
Kurt Hallead, Analyst
Hi, good morning.
John Lindsay, President and CEO
Morning, Kurt.
Kurt Hallead, Analyst
I appreciate the color and the commentary. So I'm kind of curious, right, as to the - you mentioned expectation for improved activity out into 2024 and those levels of activity will not quite get back to the highs that were reached in 2023. And then you kind of provided incremental color around 80% plus utilization for super-spec rigs. So just kind of curious as to what you're hearing from the E&P client base. Until recently, I guess, it's just kind of bled rigs lower and what - what's kind of providing the impetus for them maybe to turn things back on going into 2024?
John Lindsay, President and CEO
Well, I think if you look at the activity levels during the course of the year, obviously early on a lot of the activity declines were related directly to natural gas pricing. As we've gone through the year, what we've seen is a lot of churn associated with a lot of different reasons, but whether it's budget driven or production driven. A lot of this goes, Kurt, relates back to the capital discipline that the industry is showing, E&Ps, our customers are showing, which again I think is healthy for the industry. So in many cases, we're seeing somewhat of a reset in their capital budgets for the next year, which is largely what we're seeing. I mean I think in general I think consensus has 40 to 60 rigs on average being added for 2024. And I think that's a reasonable expectation. And if you look at it as it relates to our current market share, I think it really fits in with what we're describing for our first quarter fiscal Q4.
Kurt Hallead, Analyst
Okay, I appreciate that. Now maybe follow up is, as you indicated, right, the substantial efficiency gains, FlexRig drills and so on, leading to fewer, I guess, ultimately leading to fewer number of rigs needed by the industry, at least in the U.S. market kind of going forward. So in that context, it seems to me like part of that is playing into your strategy to pursue some of these international opportunities. Am I reading too much into that?
Mark Smith, Senior Vice President and CFO
No, I think that's fair. I mean there's no doubt that we have a desire to grow our international footprint. As we all know when you talk about U.S. activity and U.S. production and what's currently going on, as we know, production levels are not necessarily directly aligned with the current rig count that we're experiencing. And we've seen it previously, but we have capacity here in the U.S. to export FlexRigs into international markets. So that's been one of our strategies for the last couple of years and we're starting to see, as I said earlier, we are starting to see a lot more activity, a lot more bids out there to participate in. And so again, we're encouraged by that. But I think it's also important to recognize that it's very, very hard to predict rig counts and activity out multiple years, much less a couple of quarters as you know. We had fully intended to get our rig count to 191 during 2023 and we got up to around 187 or so and then of course we had a market - the market correction that we've all experienced. And so that can happen out of left field. Who knows what happens when natural gas prices strengthen in 2024 or 2025 timeframe. So it's a - there's a lot of time left ahead of us, but clearly to your original point, we're definitely planning to grow internationally.
Kurt Hallead, Analyst
Got it. That's great. Really appreciate it. Thank you.
John Lindsay, President and CEO
Thanks, Kurt.
Operator, Operator
We'll take our next question from Waqar Syed with ATB Capital Markets. Please go ahead. Your line is open.
Waqar Syed, Analyst
Thank you for taking my question and good morning. Your performance-based contracts have been running for a while, good to see the basket has gone up. If you look back over the last year, year and a half, how much do you think the performance-based contracts have added to the underlying data-driven margins?
Mark Smith, Senior Vice President and CFO
About 1,000 to 2,000 per day on average when those bonuses are added in and averaged back.
John Lindsay, President and CEO
That's average out on a per rig.
Mark Smith, Senior Vice President and CFO
Yes.
Waqar Syed, Analyst
Oh, okay, okay. So it's been pretty in line with what your expectations were going in?
John Lindsay, President and CEO
Waqar, you know, we're pleased with where we are. We think we have additional progress to make on the performance-based contracts. I think that model really makes too much sense for what's going on in our market in unconventional wells and the need to be more reliable and drill longer laterals, all of that I think makes a lot of sense, and particularly when you're deploying additional technology and capacity and automation and things like that. So I think there's still further growth in terms of a percentage of our rigs, and I think there's potential growth on the additional margin that we're delivering just based on how we continue to improve and how that compares to competitor performance. So I've said this before, do I think we're going to have ever have 100% of our rigs on performance? No, I don't necessarily think that. But it wasn't that long ago that we were at, oh gosh, probably 10% to 15% of our fleet and today we're at 52, and we're starting to see some additional growth with performance-based contracts. So we're encouraged by the opportunity.
Waqar Syed, Analyst
Okay, and then your capital allocation framework that you've mentioned in your supplemental dividends, regular dividends and CapEx guidance, so if we reverse engineer from there to the expectations of EBITDA, I think consensus right now for fiscal year 2024 is about $872 million. So you feel comfortable with that consensus range and maybe upside a little bit there as well in your guidance, your capital allocation guidance?
Mark Smith, Senior Vice President and CFO
Waqar, really, no further comments to the numbers we put out to do the math.
Waqar Syed, Analyst
You're leaving the hard work to us then.
Mark Smith, Senior Vice President and CFO
Yes, sir.
Waqar Syed, Analyst
Okay, and then just finally, the U.S. offshore, anything kind of out there which could increase the active count further?
Mark Smith, Senior Vice President and CFO
Well, as we mentioned, offshore we had the one rig.
Waqar Syed, Analyst
Right.
Mark Smith, Senior Vice President and CFO
That demobilized, the stack as expected and our sales team does have a line of sight to a couple of potential opportunities that could occur in the back half of the fiscal year, but nothing definitive on that.
Waqar Syed, Analyst
Okay, thank you very much. Thanks for taking my questions.
John Lindsay, President and CEO
Thanks, Waqar.
Operator, Operator
We'll take our next question from Keith Mackey with RBC Capital Markets. Please go ahead. Your line is open.
Keith Mackey, Analyst
Hi, good morning. Just looking back over the last year, certainly in the U.S. rig counts have come down, day rates came off of the leading edge peak that we saw late last year, early this year. But I think things have probably held in, you know, from a rate perspective, more stable than a lot would have expected given the amount of rigs that have come out of the industry for now. So I guess the first part of the question is, you know, would you agree with that? And the second part is, what if anything has surprised you about how the industry has responded to decrease in demand over the last year? Would you have expected things to be, you know, yourselves to be much worse than this or much better or, or any comments around that would be appreciated?
John Lindsay, President and CEO
Well, I'll start with the last part of your question. You know, I think when you consider - and I mentioned this earlier, the pullback in gas prices and the activity associated with that, I don't think that part is a surprise to us or really to anyone and I think there's an opportunity of course for that to improve going forward. I think the oil side of the equation is probably a little - maybe a little bit more surprising, but it goes back to that theme that we mentioned related to churn. It's amazing the amount of, whether it's private or public, mostly I think related to private, but there's just a consistent - a continuous churn of rigs getting released and getting put back to work. Our sales force is doing a great job with that and that leads into the pricing. And at the end of the day, we work very hard to partner with our customers to deliver the highest level of efficiency value as possible and doing it in a very consistent way. And that's worth a lot, and we hear that from customers day in and day out that reliability, being able to drill those wells effectively and efficiently is worth a lot. And so again, it starts with, as I said earlier, it starts with our customers and that's being more disciplined in terms of their spending and that really puts the requirement on us to do the same thing and just making certain that we're getting a return for the capital that we're investing. As you know, it is a high capital-intensive business, drilling is. And we're investing a lot of money and we have great people and great technology and we've got to get paid for that.
Mark Smith, Senior Vice President and CFO
I might just add to that, Keith, that the way I - another way to think about it is if you - I can't speak to our competitors. I can only speak for H&P. But if you go back to the beginning of calendar '22, we said we were going to limit the amount of rigs we were putting out. We were going to focus on our pricing so that we could get the returns John just mentioned. And the reverse has happened this year. We've been focused on the pricing and we've taken the decision to idle rigs to maintain that. So that is really a different way of operating the last couple of years, both in the scenario of rigs going up and then this year with rigs going down, but the same laser focus on what we need to do to generate returns for our shareholders.
Keith Mackey, Analyst
Yes, I appreciate that. Just secondly on the international tenders. Now I know you're not going to want to disclose too much here, but is there anything you can share with respect to the magnitude of tenders, what potential amount of rig activity in terms of a range you could see from the amount of tenders you're participating in or whether the amount of tenders appear to be speeding up or slowing down? Any commentary around that would be helpful.
John Lindsay, President and CEO
Steve, I think - you know, I was thinking through this last night, not an exact number. But I mean there - there's, you know, 15 to 20, 25 rigs worth of tenders that we're aware of. And I know there's probably more, but we also know firsthand that growth internationally tends to be pretty slow. So we're sure not putting any number out there on a percentage of that rig count or the number of rigs that we might be successful with. There's a lot of work. Our teams are working really hard to make this to make this happen. So hopefully more to come in the upcoming quarters as we announce some success. But at this stage, there's really not a whole lot more than that I can say, Mark, unless you have any other?
Mark Smith, Senior Vice President and CFO
No, and what you're referencing is just a current topic that we're in active discussions about.
John Lindsay, President and CEO
Active discussions with multiple countries. So it's not just one country, it's multiple countries. And the bid processes take quite some time. And then the rigs actually go to work is another 6 or 12 or 14 months even past that. So just - it's very hard to put any sort of a number to it.
Mark Smith, Senior Vice President and CFO
So to that last point, John, I would just footnote that we would expect to see this positively in our P&L in more likely fiscal 2025.
John Lindsay, President and CEO
'25, yes.
Keith Mackey, Analyst
Got it. Okay, that's it from me. Thank you very much.
John Lindsay, President and CEO
All right, thank you.
Operator, Operator
We'll take our next question from Marc Bianchi with TD Cohen. Please go ahead. Your line is open.
Marc Bianchi, Analyst
Thanks. I think Mark, in your remarks, you mentioned that there were some lower-priced rigs in the backlog of your current contract book. Could you help us understand what the opportunity is to reprice those, maybe if we were to mark everything to the leading edge today, what that would mean for revenue per day?
Mark Smith, Senior Vice President and CFO
No. But there is some - I think in the tables at the back of the press release, you can see a bit about what's under term and get some indication of that. We have some pricing now which will help us more in fiscal Q2, frankly. Then I think we have another batch of rollovers in Q2.
Marc Bianchi, Analyst
Okay. And the press release made a comment about not taking much of an increase for utilization to get really tight. And I think, John, you had sort of thought that the 40 to 60 rig add for 2024 is reasonable. It would seem like less than that number would be required for utilization to get really tight and we could start to see some pricing power. Any thoughts on more specifically how many rigs it's going to take and when we might start to see some upward movement in leading edge?
John Lindsay, President and CEO
Marc, again, I would argue that the market is pretty tight right now. And again, we tend to be focused only on the super-spec fleet. That's the rig fleet that we have working, and so that is already really tight. So I agree with you. The 40 to 60 reference is really not necessarily super-spec, that's kind of an industry rig count increase. Although we continue to see as an industry more and more super-spec capacity requirement, less of the non-super-spec. So we think that's going to trend. So I would - quite frankly, I would say there's pricing power in the market right now just based on what we see. So any additional net adds are just going to make that a tighter market. Which is again why we had that, just to make that clear.
Marc Bianchi, Analyst
Yes. Okay, that's great. If I could just sneak one more in for Mark. The cash tax outlook implies quite a bit higher than what it looks like your book tax ought to be. Is this level of cash taxes something we should be assuming going forward or should we be assuming that your cash tax is quite a bit above your book tax for several more years here?
Mark Smith, Senior Vice President and CFO
No, I think we have - it's around $25 million or so of 2023 taxes that are going to be actual payable in '24.
Marc Bianchi, Analyst
Okay. So that was driving.
Mark Smith, Senior Vice President and CFO
So that cash tax amount is not purely related to '24. We're expecting the same - as you saw from the range, we had 27% effective tax rate this year and that's really, that's the midpoint of next year's range as well.
Marc Bianchi, Analyst
Right. Okay.
Mark Smith, Senior Vice President and CFO
Just timing differences as to when we actually make the payments.
Marc Bianchi, Analyst
Yes. Okay, thank you. I'll turn it back.
John Lindsay, President and CEO
Yes. Thanks, Marc.
Operator, Operator
We'll take our next question from Tom Curran with Seaport Research. Please go ahead. Your line is open.
Tom Curran, Analyst
Good morning, guys. Just one left for me, but it's kind of a bigger open-ended one. So, as you endeavor to remain the industry's technology and innovation leader, what role do you foresee M&A playing over say the next year or two? In the scale-up cycle you did four acquisitions over 2017 through 2019, MOTIVE and MagVAR, AGC and Drill Scan, just what is your appetite and approach to M&A now and what specific capabilities or themes would you be prioritizing for a bolt-on, be it drilling optimization, software automation advancements, some other topic?
John Lindsay, President and CEO
Tom, that's a great question and I feel really good about the acquisitions that we made and the value that we're delivering - helping to deliver for customers. And I don't really see a gap in our portfolio on what we have. I feel really good about it. There are a lot of things that we continue to make advances on, the automated directional drilling is continuing to progress. There's other things that we're working on to automate and those skill sets and capabilities really lend themselves to being able to do more, not only downhole but also on the rig itself. So I feel really good about where we are and what we have and the team that we have. We've been very fortunate to retain a lot of that brainpower from the acquisitions that we made. So I feel really good about that and I don't know of any other gaps that we have.
Tom Curran, Analyst
So John, it sounds as if, if I'm hearing you correctly, that you would expect to be able to achieve this next chapter of development organically, you know, via R&D with the existing platform in place, technologically.
John Lindsay, President and CEO
Yes. Yes, that's a good way to summarize it. I think we have the skill set and I think we have the capability in-house for what we're doing. Obviously, there are always opportunities to go out and do, you know, do things with other third parties. But I don't think that requires necessarily M&A in order to do that. I think that can be done with the relationships that we currently have.
Tom Curran, Analyst
Got it. Thanks for taking my questions.
John Lindsay, President and CEO
All right, thank you.
Operator, Operator
And we'll take our next question from Ati Modak with Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead. Your line is open.
Ati Modak, Analyst
Hi, good morning team. You mentioned some cost acceleration of equipment that was less visible and you gave some color there, so really appreciate that. But curious if that changes or is baked into your normalized margin expectations at 50% longer term? How should we think about that?
Mark Smith, Senior Vice President and CFO
I'm sorry, could you repeat that question?
John Lindsay, President and CEO
You broke up on us just a little bit. Can you try that again?
Ati Modak, Analyst
Yes, for sure. Hopefully this is better. Just on the cost acceleration of equipment, is that baked into your normalized margin expectations at 50% or does that change that expectation in the near term, longer term, how should we think about that?
Mark Smith, Senior Vice President and CFO
I think you're talking about something in the international segment. That's the only thing that was accelerated that we mentioned, not North America. Is that what you're talking about?
Ati Modak, Analyst
I thought you mentioned some FlexRig equipment acceleration and inflation. I thought that was in North America.
John Lindsay, President and CEO
Yes, your - we got it. I'm sorry for that. It's the service intensity. Yes, it is built in. It is very hard to determine exactly how that continues to progress because, you know, costs do continue to increase, not only because of inflation but because of service intensity and equipment running harder and longer and delivering more volume. So yes, there is, but that is baked into our margin.
Mark Smith, Senior Vice President and CFO
It is, yes.
Ati Modak, Analyst
Okay, thank you, that's helpful. And then you mentioned some tenders ongoing and I understand the color might be difficult there. But as you think about accelerating some of these deployment plans in the international markets or the international segment, how should we think about the cadence of the margin in '24?
Mark Smith, Senior Vice President and CFO
Well, that's just going to be - we don't know yet. You saw the guide for this quarter's international expectations. And if the countries hold flat, that's the level of margin we would anticipate throughout the year, notwithstanding the successful outcomes of any of these bidding processes, which would cause us to incur expenses for final re-commissioning and shipping charges. So it's just to be determined based on the processes for bidding, which as John stated earlier really sort of happen slowly and are very unique bid to bid.
John Lindsay, President and CEO
So there - yes, if successful like Mark said, most of that will push into 2025. There are a few countries that we could have some rigs that would deploy in 2024, but it's going to probably be more towards the back half. So it's not going to have a large impact on 2024 and others.
Mark Smith, Senior Vice President and CFO
Well, it won't have any revenue for '24 but expenses are incurred.
John Lindsay, President and CEO
Incurred, exactly.
Operator, Operator
I'll now turn the call back to John Lindsay for any closing remarks.
John Lindsay, President and CEO
Thank you, David and thanks again, everybody, for joining us today. As we said earlier, we remain optimistic about the long-term energy fundamentals. We think there's a lot of opportunities out there that H&P can take advantage of and use to create value for shareholders. So thank you again for joining us today and we'll sign off.
Operator, Operator
This does conclude today's program. Thank you for your participation and you may now disconnect.