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Markel Group Inc. (MKL)

Earnings Call 2024-03-31 For: 2024-03-31
Added on April 24, 2026

Earnings Call Transcript - MKL Q1 2024

Operator, Operator

Good morning, and welcome to the Markel Group First Quarter 2024 Conference Call. During the call today, we may make forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. They are based on current assumptions and opinions concerning a variety of known and unknown risks. Actual results may differ materially from those contained in or suggested by such forward-looking statements. Additional information about factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from those projected in the forward-looking statements is included in the press release for our first quarter 2024 results as well as our most recent annual report on Form 10-K and quarterly report on Form 10-Q including under the captions, Safe Harbor and Cautionary Statement and Risk Factors. We may also discuss certain non-GAAP financial measures during the call today. You may find the most directly comparable GAAP measures and a reconciliation to GAAP for these measures in the press release for our first quarter 2024 results or our most recent Form 10-K. The press release for our first quarter 2024 results as well as our Form 10-K and Form 10-Q can be found on our website at www.mklgroup.com in the Investor Relations section. Please note, this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Tom Gayner, Chief Executive Officer. Please go ahead.

Thomas Gayner, CEO

Thank you, Sarah. I appreciate it. Good morning, and welcome to the Markel Group First Quarter Conference Call. This is indeed Tom Gayner, your CEO. I'm joined today by Brian Costanzo, our CFO; and Jeremy Noble, the President of our Insurance operations. As always, we look forward to checking in with you about our results. We view our long-term shareholders as partners. We welcome the chance to provide you with an update on how things are going as well as our plans and dreams for the future. We also look forward to answering your thoughtful questions. As a quick review of the bidding, at the Markel Group, we are working to build one of the world's great companies. We view a great company as one that operates a win-win-win system. We want our customers to win because they bought products and services from us that served their needs. We want our associates to win by serving our customers, supporting their families and communities, continuously learning and being creative. We want our shareholders to win as we earn profitable results on the capital we use to do this work. That's what win-win-win means to us. I'm delighted to report to you that we're off to a good start in doing exactly that so far in 2024. I'm going to channel my inner chasm right now by saying in 1972, Johnny Nash recorded a #1 hit called, 'I can see clearly now the rain is gone.' You have no idea how hard it is for me to just say the title without singing it. In 1993, Jimmy Cliff covered it for the movie, 'Cool Runnings.' Well, covering that song continues. The Markel Group is laying down tracks of another cover so far in 2024, and we'll do our best to work our way through the verses as the year progresses. Brian will quantify the notes with numbers in just a minute, but let me speak qualitatively about the music. Here's why that song comes to mind for me. I've got four bullet points in mind. Usually, I try to keep the list to three, but I just can't help myself today. Point one: we've got improving results in our insurance engine. Jeremy will provide you with some details in a few minutes. I want to thank him and his team personally for the efforts they have expended in improving our results. I am grateful for their work. Thank you. Point two: Our Ventures companies continue to produce excellent results. I want to express my appreciation to the leaders of the Markel Ventures companies and their teams for their accomplishments. Point three: we enjoyed excellent returns on our investment operations. Recurring investment income continues to rise rapidly. We're investing our cash flows from operations and maturing bonds into higher-yielding securities. Dividends from our holdings of publicly traded equities also continue to grow. Point four: we continue to repurchase our shares. We started to repurchase shares in meaningful quantities in 2022 as we believed the share price traded at a significant discount to our calculation of what we thought a share of Markel was worth. In 2023, we thought that gap widened, so we bought more shares than we did in 2022. In the first quarter of 2024, we thought the gap widened more, so we bought more. In fact, we nearly doubled our purchases in the first quarter to $161 million compared to $82 million a year ago. From roughly 14 million outstanding shares as recently as February 2019, we ended the first quarter with 13 million. And as we speak now, we are below that milestone. Each share of the Markel Group continues to own a greater percentage of our Insurance, Ventures and Investment operations. As a shareholder myself, with the majority of my net worth in Markel stock, that seems like a good thing to me. If we continue to earn the sort of returns that we are now and if the marketplace continues to assign a meaningful discount to our shares, at our current rate of repurchases, we'll get the share count down to one in a little over 30 years. I suspect the market will catch on before we get to that point. Also, in recognition of our commitment to long-term thinking and progress, we updated our press release format to include five years of data as well as that of the current quarter. We remain focused on long-term actions and measures, and we hope the new format speaks to that commitment. The format also describes the metrics we use to calculate incentive compensation. We think five-year measurement periods do a good job of demonstrating our commitment to long-term accomplishments and accountability. We also hope that the report provides clarity as to how we measure progress. Finally, I'd like to reiterate our invitation to join us for our upcoming Annual Shareholders' Meeting, which we call 'The Reunion.' We'll be back at the Robins Center at the University of Richmond on May 22, and we'll start at 2:00 p.m. Last year, we had so many people that traffic got clogged. We encourage you to come early. The Annual Meeting is the best setting to enjoy the company of your fellow shareholders, see what condition our condition is in, ask questions of management and meet some of the people of Markel from all around the world. Please make sure you register at www.mklreunion.com so that we can have credentials ready for you to get into the Robins Center quickly. I love our team, and I am proud of what they continue to accomplish. I hope you feel the same way, and I look forward to seeing as many of you in person in May as possible. Before I turn it over to Brian, I'll share what I hope to be saying in upcoming periods. As Johnny Nash sang after the first line of 'I can see clearly now,' 'I can see all obstacles in my way. Gone are the dark clouds that had me blind, it's going to be a bright-bright-bright Sun Shiny Day.' That's what I hope to be saying in future calls. We will do our best to make it so. With that, I'll turn it over to Brian. Jeremy will follow with his comments, and then we'll open up the floor for your questions. Brian?

Brian Costanzo, CFO

Thank you, Tom, and good morning, everyone. Before I dive into the quarter's results, I'll make a few comments on the changes within our earnings release and 10-Q for the quarter. We believe these changes provide a clear picture of our overall performance. First, we moved to a consistent measure of profitability of operating income across each segment of our business that excludes amortization of acquired intangible assets. We do not consider these costs when assessing the performance of our businesses and believe it helps investors to provide a consistent performance metric across our operating segments. Additionally, as Tom mentioned, we incorporated a longer-term view of our key metrics within our press release to provide more perspective on our performance, consistent with how we evaluate performance for incentive compensation purposes. In any given quarter or year, there are many factors that can create volatility in results, which is why we consistently measure our performance over five-year periods. We hope you'll find these changes helpful as you review our results. With that, let me take you through our consolidated results for the period. Total revenues increased 23% to $4.5 billion with each of our three engines achieving year-over-year top line growth, with the most notable growth coming from our Investments engine. Operating income grew by 77% to $1.3 billion during the first quarter, driven largely by an increase in net investment gains in the quarter, highlighting our longer-term view where short-term changes in the valuation of our equity portfolio are more normalized, we have created cumulative operating income of $8.7 billion over the past four years plus the first quarter of this year. Total net income to common shareholders was $1 billion in the first quarter of 2024 compared to $489 million in the same period of 2023, with the change primarily attributable to higher net investment gains on our public equity portfolio in the first quarter of 2024 compared to the same period of 2023. Comprehensive income to shareholders in the first quarter of 2024 was $909 million compared to $646 million in the same period of 2023, with the favorable change in the public equity valuations being partially offset by an unfavorable swing in our fixed maturity portfolio. Net cash provided by operating activities was $631 million in the first quarter of 2024, compared to $284 million in the same period last year. Operating cash flows in 2024 reflected strong cash flows from each of our operating engines, with the most significant contribution coming from our Insurance engine. Total shareholders' equity stood at $15.7 billion at the end of the first quarter. As Tom mentioned, in the first quarter, we repurchased $161 million worth of shares of Markel Group's stock under our outstanding share repurchase program, compared to $82 million in the same period last year. With that, I'll now turn to the performance of each of our operating engines, starting off with our Insurance engine. Gross written premiums within our underwriting operations grew 4% to $2.8 billion for the first quarter of 2024, compared to $2.7 billion for the same period last year. Our increased premium volume reflects new business growth and more favorable rates on many lines within our international portfolio and select U.S. lines of business. We are working hard to rebalance our diversified portfolio of products, which has resulted in contracting premium writings in certain classes, particularly within pockets of our U.S. professional liability and general liability portfolios. Jeremy will go into more detail about changes in the mix of business and the impact of our underwriting actions on top line premiums in his comments. Our consolidated combined ratio for the first quarter was 95% compared to 94% in the same period of 2023. The increase was primarily attributable to a higher attritional loss ratio within our U.S. general liability and professional liability product lines within our Insurance segment. Prior year loss reserves developed favorably by $77 million this year versus $71 million in the first quarter of 2023. Favorable development in the first quarter this year was most notable within our international professional liability and marine and energy product lines. We remain cautious and conservative in our approach to both current year losses and reducing prior year loss reserves on our longer-tail U.S. professional liability and general liability lines, given recent claim trends. Within our program services and ILS operations, operating income increased 33% to $23 million, primarily driven by growth within program services and other fronting. Moving next to our Investments results. We reported net investment income of $218 million in the first quarter of 2024 compared to $159 million in the same period last year. We continue to benefit from higher interest rates as the yield on our fixed maturity portfolio, short-term investments and cash equivalents all increased. Additionally, we have been allocating more cash to money market funds and fixed maturity securities to capitalize on the higher interest rate environment. We expect, based on the current interest rates, that the yield on fixed maturity securities will continue to increase slightly throughout 2024 as lower-yielding securities mature and are replaced by higher-yielding securities. Net investment gains of $902 million in 2024 reflect favorable market movements, resulting in a return of 9.8% on our public equity portfolio in the first quarter. This compares to net investment gains of $373 million in the first quarter of 2023. As you've heard us say often before, and I'm sure you'll hear me say again, we focus on long-term investment performance expecting variability in the equity markets from period to period. At the end of March, the fair value of our equity portfolio included cumulative pretax unrealized gains of $7 billion. Net unrealized investment losses and other comprehensive loss in the first quarter of 2024 were $123 million net of taxes compared to net unrealized investment gains of $164 million net of taxes in the same period last year. These movements correspond to changes in the fair value of our fixed maturity portfolio, resulting from changes in interest rates. Recall that we typically hold our fixed maturities until they mature and would generally expect unrealized holding gains and losses attributed to the changes in interest rates to reverse in future periods as bonds mature. Additionally, we continue our long-standing precedent of investing in the highest quality of fixed income securities. As of March 31, 2024, 98% of our fixed maturity portfolio was rated AA or better, and there are no current or expected credit losses within the portfolio. Finally, I'll turn to our results from our Markel Ventures engine. Revenues from Markel Ventures increased 3% in the first quarter of 2024 compared to the same period last year, reflecting moderate revenue increases at our consumer and building products and construction services businesses. Markel Ventures' operating income increased 13% driven by higher revenues and improved operating margins at our consumer and building products businesses versus a year ago. Our Markel Ventures companies continue their excellent long-term performance and meaningful contribution to our operating results and cash flows. With that, I'll turn it over to Jeremy to talk more about our Insurance engine.

Jeremy Noble, President of Insurance Operations

Thanks, Brian, and good morning. As you heard from Tom and Brian, the actions we took from the start of the year to improve the overall health of our insurance operations are beginning to bear fruit. We spent much of the first quarter implementing the significant corrective underwriting actions that I discussed on our earnings call a quarter ago, which I believe will improve future profitability. These steps addressed where we recently underperformed, particularly within our U.S. specialty insurance operations. At the same time, we work to meaningfully grow in the products, geographic territories and industries where performance meets or exceeds our long-term profitability targets. For the first quarter of 2024, our combined ratio was 95%. That result exceeds our ultimate goal but is in line with where we expected to be at this point in the year. It also shows meaningful improvement from where we stood in the fourth quarter and for the full year of 2023. The impact of our portfolio management actions are most evident in our gross written premium volume for the first quarter. On the surface, we grew a modest 4% versus a year ago. However, you need to disaggregate that growth a bit to appreciate the effectiveness of our underwriting actions. We use portfolio management tools each quarter to monitor portfolio health and rate adequacy and to evaluate the profitability of each of our products. You might think of this like a traffic light system, where we assign a color of green, yellow or red to each product line. Those colors show the degree of rate adequacy and associated combined ratio deviation for market profitability targets for each product. I'll use this construct to demonstrate how we are remixing the portfolio towards our most profitable lines. Within our green product classes, which represent products that are significantly outperforming our combined ratio targets, our premiums grew by 14% during the first quarter. Around 40% of our overall gross written premiums fall into this category at the moment. On the flip side, our red product classes, where profitability is underperforming our combined ratio targets, gross premium volume decreased by 16% during the first quarter. At present, a little more than 10% of our portfolio falls in this category, which is actively being managed. Let me be clear, for many of these lines, we are still operating in an underwriting profit, but at a combined ratio that is above our target. For each product, we have a robust set of underwriting action plans to get us back to an acceptable level of profitability in a reasonable period of time, and our plans take into consideration current market dynamics and long-standing relationships. This contraction in the first quarter of '24 focused on several product classes within our U.S. and Bermuda casualty and professional liability portfolio. These underwriting actions were most notable in our brokerage excess and umbrella and brokerage primary contractors general liability lines within casualty. And our large account risk-managed errors and omissions and directors' and officers' lines within professional liability. Our underwriting actions consist of a mixture of rate increases, changes to terms and conditions, evaluation of limited attachment points and redistribution of geographical or industry mix. We also decreased the overall proportion of construction business within our casualty portfolio and improved the profitability outlook for our existing book. In certain instances, we identified product lines that were not expected to be profitable. In these circumstances, we made more meaningful changes, including exiting certain products or subclasses. We discontinued writing several product classes in our Insurance segment in the first quarter, where we believe underwriting action plans would not enable us to reach our profitability goals. Some of the areas we exited included retail primary casualty, risk-managed architects and engineers and intellectual property collateral protection lines. In total, the lines and subclasses we exited represented less than 2% of our Insurance segment operations on an annual basis. We also non-renewed a handful of professional liability quota share contracts within our Reinsurance segment that did not meet our pricing targets. Overall, we remain thoughtful and disciplined about how we handle long-term portfolio management. Turning to the positive, we've seen profitable growth within our U.S. specialty insurance operations within our property and inland marine, personal lines, programs, binding and commercial professional liability products. Within our international portfolio, we've seen profitable growth across a number of products, including our marine and energy, U.K. and European businesses. Within our Global Reinsurance operations, we opportunistically pursued growth within the London market specialty marine and energy space. With a large, well-diversified global platform, we see plenty of opportunities to grow and enhance our overall portfolio construction. We are focused on doing just that. We've taken strong and decisive actions to deliver improved combined ratio results going forward. It will take time for these underwriting actions to earn through and impact our combined ratio, but we're confident that we're on the right track. Meanwhile, we remain conservative in our reserving practices, especially in regard to our longer-tail product classes. We also continue to increase reserve margins on new business to buffer against uncertainty around longer-term loss trends. Finally, I'll share a few thoughts on the current pricing environment and overall insurance market dynamics. In general, we continue to see ongoing modest rate increases across our diversified product portfolio. Property continues to see meaningful rate increases, although at a more moderate level than a year ago. In our casualty lines, we are achieving high single-digit, in some cases, low double-digit rate increases across most of our product classes. Rates remain in line or better than our view on loss trends. We've seen a mild softening of rate increases throughout a large part of our international portfolio. Our international book continues to be priced attractively compared to loss trends and combined ratio targets. As such, we continue to actively grow in many of these lines. Finally, within professional lines, we see ongoing rate decreases in many classes, most notably in public D&O. As a consequence, we decreased writings in these classes. In closing, I want to reiterate we finished the quarter largely where we expected. We recognize that it takes time for actions to earn through and create credibility. However, with our refreshed leadership team and renewed focus, I believe it is only a matter of time before we begin reporting results more in line with our longer-term aspirations. Thank you. With that, I'll turn things back over to Tom for questions.

Operator, Operator

Your first question comes from the line of Mark Hughes with Truist Securities.

Mark Hughes, Analyst

Could you share any insights regarding the loss developments? I'm referring to some of the more challenging areas like general liability and professional liability, which have shown increased volatility. We observed this in your results from last year. You seem to have returned to a more historical trend of positive reserve development, but you mentioned some international issues specifically in marine and energy. Are there any changes in that loss development for general liability and professional liability compared to what you observed last year?

Thomas Gayner, CEO

Thank you, Jeremy, would you handle Mark's question, please?

Jeremy Noble, President of Insurance Operations

Thank you, Mark. A few points to mention. You're correct. We discussed this about a quarter ago. We conducted a thorough review in the fourth quarter, where we examined over $4 billion of reserves in our general liability and professional liability portfolios in the U.S., and we took action at that time. In the first quarter, there was very little movement or activity in those areas, which was expected and not concerning. Generally, in our insurance, the favorable development from the prior year was more focused on our international book, particularly in some of our professional lines. Regarding general liability in the U.S., we observed modest favorable activity in the first quarter this year compared to modest unfavorable activity in the first quarter of last year. It has been relatively quiet on that front. Overall, general liability, marine and energy, and professional lines in the international sector were the main contributors to our favorable prior year development in the first quarter.

Mark Hughes, Analyst

And you had mentioned how in casualty, you're seeing high single, maybe low double digits in line or better than loss trends. There's been some discussion of whether those casualty lines were firming, whether pricing was accelerating in early 2024. Are you seeing that? Or is it steady or down?

Jeremy Noble, President of Insurance Operations

Yes. We've certainly seen a pretty favorable pricing environment within the casualty lines. And if anything, I would say that that's accelerated over the course of the first quarter. And I think that's wholly appropriate and necessary. I did comment on the fact that our rate that we're seeing is in excess of our estimates around loss trends, which we would hope would be beneficial longer term. That being said, we're certainly being cautious and trying to build a margin of safety into our current accident year attritional selections within the GL space. The rate is pretty clear what we're getting. The trend is more of an assumption. So we want to make sure we have an appropriate margin of safety around that, given the backdrop of the last couple of years.

Mark Hughes, Analyst

Have you observed any differences between the admitted and excess and surplus lines? Is there still a shift of business from admitted to excess and surplus lines? Is it more stable now? Any insights you can share would be appreciated.

Jeremy Noble, President of Insurance Operations

Yes. I think the E&S market is still incredibly strong. And certainly, we have a long-standing history and a very sizable presence within the E&S space. We've got a wide portfolio of products that we're focused on delivering through to the E&S space. And I think those trends will continue. Certainly, a lot of what we're doing in the casualty space is oriented around and focused on our product offerings within the E&S space.

Operator, Operator

Your next question comes from Andrew Andersen with Jefferies.

Andrew Andersen, Analyst

Maybe back on reserves. Just given a couple of years of adverse development on GL and professional liability, I think you had also mentioned you're releasing from some recent accident years. So can you kind of talk about these releases here and perhaps why you didn't let them season a little bit longer given the longer tail?

Thomas Gayner, CEO

Jeremy, if you'd be so kind?

Jeremy Noble, President of Insurance Operations

Yes, certainly. We can discuss that further later, Andrew. I wouldn’t say we have significantly released any core reserves for longer tail lines of business, like general liability and professional liability, especially in the U.S. Recently, there may be instances in other product areas where we see favorable adjustments on more recent accident years, but I don't think there's a notable trend there. In recent years, we are more in a wait-and-see approach. We mentioned a quarter ago that part of our reserving actions in the fourth quarter involved increasing our reserve positions and the margin of safety for those more recent years. So, we're definitely in a wait-and-see approach regarding that.

Andrew Andersen, Analyst

Okay. So perhaps the recent accident year commentary was specific to international development?

Jeremy Noble, President of Insurance Operations

Yes, sorry. That's the other thing I would say. That's a great point, Andrew, is that, that can be a little bit different in international. And international, as an example, take our professional space, we have a very meaningful professional lines portfolio there. Again, broad product set offering, but that predominantly focuses on international professional lines, not U.S. professional lines that get placed in the London market. We don't do a lot of the U.S. business out of London.

Andrew Andersen, Analyst

Okay. And then you had also mentioned that lines exited represented less than 2% on an annual basis. Kind of where are we in the cutting business phase? Is that largely over? Or is it an ongoing process throughout the year?

Jeremy Noble, President of Insurance Operations

It's not that frequent that we fully exit a class of business. We're always going to be focused on overall profitability. We obviously have a broad and wide product set at any point in time. Lots of products are going really well, some things that we're working on. As far as product exits go, I don't anticipate anything else in the foreseeable future. There's nothing else that we're sort of taking a hard look at. We really acted decisively around those, and we took the action in those instances where we didn't feel like the product was as core to our overall offering, and we didn't think we could address the profitability within that product space in a meaningful time. Our work now is largely focused on improving the overall profitability on a handful of lines that we feel like are either not as rate adequate as they need to be, or aren't delivering the overall profitability profile we want. And that's a little bit what I talked about in my comments and obviously from a quarter ago. But I wouldn't expect further product exits.

Operator, Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Charlie Lederer with Citi.

Charles Lederer, Analyst

Jeremy, you mentioned the 95% combined is above target, but in line with expectations, I guess. Wondering if you can unpack that a little bit. Are you holding more IBNR here in the first quarter to reflect uncertainty? Or any color there that, I guess, should we expect that to improve as the year progresses?

Thomas Gayner, CEO

Yes, Jeremy, go ahead, please?

Jeremy Noble, President of Insurance Operations

Yes, of course. Thanks, Charlie. Yes, I would expect that, that would improve over the course of the year. I'm not going to put any specifics around that or any guidance around that. But what I would say, as you know, is we've taken a lot of actions. It takes a while for that to earn through the book. So where we've exited unprofitable products and products that really disproportionately contributed to some of the underwriting loss reported in the fourth quarter a year ago. And where we're taking underwriting actions to improve the profitability profile of ongoing lines, it takes a little while to give credibility to the actions that we've taken, and it takes a little while for that earnings to come through. And then also to your point, we are carrying more of a margin of safety within our reserve selections. As I mentioned before, we can be pretty clear on some of the actions that we're taking, and we can be pretty clear about the pricing environment. Overall, what the actual end-of-day inflationary environment, trend environment that we're going to experience is a little bit uncertain. So we're going to be cautious in that space. But I think over the course of the year, on a like-for-like basis, barring something that's unforeseen, we should continue to see the result improve as we earn through the effect of the actions we've taken.

Charles Lederer, Analyst

Got it. That's helpful. I guess just within the current accident year picks either in Insurance or Reinsurance, did you guys have any exposure to the bridge collapse in Baltimore?

Thomas Gayner, CEO

As Jeremy and I were joking, anything you see on TV from around the world, we probably have some of. We have a global book of business all around the world. So when you see disasters happen on TV, you can count that we probably have some of that. But that is the business we are in, and that's how we backstop our customers and take care of them in times of need, but that's normal course of business for us.

Jeremy Noble, President of Insurance Operations

I would like to add that there is nothing unusual or excessive about the event you mentioned, which is why we haven't highlighted it separately. While it is a significant event for the industry and will have ripple effects as we assess liability and evaluate contingent exposures, it is not something we would classify as unusual or excessive.

Charles Lederer, Analyst

Okay. So we shouldn't really think about that as being kind of a meaningful contributor to the attritional loss ratio increase year-over-year. It's more just a higher loss pick?

Jeremy Noble, President of Insurance Operations

I think what Tom said, large losses are happening all over the world all the time across a broad set of products and classes. We're obviously more acutely aware of the significance of that event than we might be in the U.S. around loss events occurring elsewhere around the world. But whatever might be happening, there's a chance that we're going to have exposure in our portfolio. So I think that's true for us. I think that's true for most of the global players. We don't tend to call out every single individual loss event to try to carve that out from our underlying results.

Operator, Operator

Your next question comes from Charles Gold with Truist.

Charles Gold, Analyst

Congratulations to the three of you and the whole Markel team for the performance you just posted. And Tom, I wanted to follow up on a comment that you made about shares outstanding after the quarter end being below 13 million. Is that from the number in the Q, $13,137 million? Or is there another number that was the starting point for that comment?

Thomas Gayner, CEO

No. It would be reflective of the fact that we were darn close to 13 million as of March 31, and we have purchased shares between the time of March 31 and May 2 where we stand right now.

Charles Gold, Analyst

Right. That's why. Well, I was asking what number was it at the end of March? Do you have a...

Thomas Gayner, CEO

Yes. It was 13.0-something. Brian might have the exact number there.

Brian Costanzo, CFO

Yes. The 13.1 million that you quoted, that was the number at the end of March, yes. And to Tom's point, yes, the comment was the subsequent purchases post the number in the Q, which would be the March 31 number, have dropped below.

Charles Gold, Analyst

Right. And Tom, I would enjoy building out some of those tunes with you at the Reunion, if you'd just get me some of the lyrics. It would make a hell of a party songs.

Thomas Gayner, CEO

Well, that's right. Well, you got yourself a deal.

Operator, Operator

Your next question comes from the line of John Fox with Fenimore.

John Fox, Analyst

So I'm curious in the other Insurance operations. Looks like there was a $17 million reserve increase. And I think I remember from reading the Q last night that it was an asbestos and environmental, which we haven't heard from in a long time. And I recall, you used to review that in your third quarter. So maybe Jeremy could comment on what's going on there. Is that a one-off or what's happening?

Thomas Gayner, CEO

Jeremy, could you give the details on that?

Jeremy Noble, President of Insurance Operations

Yes, John, you're correct. Your recollection of our previous approach to annual reserving is accurate. In the other discontinued segment, we recognized about $15 million in strengthening related to ongoing claims handling costs for a significant remaining asbestos or environmental exposure, which has been stable for some time. We regularly review this, often more frequently than annually. We don't have as large a reserve to monitor as we used to, so we don't conduct annual studies in the same way. We review this over time, and I do not anticipate any further developments in that area soon as we aim to move past it.

John Fox, Analyst

Okay. Great. Then Tom, I have a bigger picture question. It was interesting with the change in the proxy this year moving from book value to operating income. And my sense is there's a lot of shareholders in Markel that think about 10, 20 years ago when your primarily insurance and book value was a good way to look at the company. But you're really signaling a change going to operating income. And could you talk about how you think about how Markel is a better, stronger company, right? Being more diversified than just especially insurance? And perhaps if my observations are not correct, please correct me.

Thomas Gayner, CEO

No, I think your observations are spot on. Yes, you go back 10, 20 years ago when the business was dominated by the Insurance engine, and we didn't even call it that then because that would have implied that perhaps there were other engines, which they were not. And book value is a pretty darn good proxy for describing economic progress of an insurance operation, a bank, a financial institution like that. As we have emphasized investments, and we've emphasized that for a long time and the growth of the Ventures businesses, the economic value being created by those businesses doesn't get well reflected in book value. So they do make money. They are worth something. And we think the operating income line that we give you over multiple full years and with the multiyear horizon, that is sort of a separate component of the overall value. Now that's sort of accounting presentation and trying to pencil out what it's worth. To the meta point of the Markel Group being a more resilient and robust company, I like the idea of three distinct streams of income that are flowing into the coffers. And in any given period, one of those engines might not be fired, two of those engines might not be fired. But usually, at least one is. In the first quarter was a case where all three were. So it makes things more robust, more resilient, more able to absorb volatility in any one line of business. And in fact, I think one of our major competitive advantages is that throughout the entire Markel organization, when we're faced with a business decision, oftentimes, it's pretty clear that there are things which might cost you something in the short term, but it's better for the long term. Now if you're under pressure to pay a short-term bill or meeting a short-term quarterly estimate, the temptation to take the short-term decision exists. We try everything we can possibly do to not have that temptation. We want to do things that are in the right long-term interest of the Markel Group, our shareholders, our customers, our associates. And we've just taken away a lot of the noise. And I think it's a beautiful piece of architecture that underpins what we've been trying to do for a long time. And it's nice to get to a quarter like this where you see all three engines firing, and it's clear.

John Fox, Analyst

I have a suggestion regarding the presentation. I think Brian mentioned a 5-year cumulative investment gain. It would be helpful to include the 5-year cumulative figure in your releases. While it was impressive to see a $1 billion investment gain last quarter, a portion of that has already diminished in April due to stock and bond fluctuations. Presenting the data cumulatively over 5 years could enhance understanding, so that’s my suggestion.

Thomas Gayner, CEO

All right. Good stuff.

Operator, Operator

Your next question comes from Scott Heleniak with RBC Capital Markets.

Scott Heleniak, Analyst

You mentioned that rate increases are picking up in casualty. Are you seeing this trend across all areas? Are there specific lines where this stands out more compared to the previous few quarters? Additionally, do you have any insights on the overall loss cost trend in casualty? I understand it may be challenging given your product range, but any information you can provide on either topic would be appreciated.

Thomas Gayner, CEO

Jeremy, if you'd be so kind to address that?

Jeremy Noble, President of Insurance Operations

Yes, certainly. I would say that the primary areas of focus in our casualty portfolio, particularly where I mentioned rate increases, are in the primary casualty and excess and umbrella segments within the U.S. This is different from our larger risk-managed excess casualty offerings in both the U.S. and Bermuda. In comparison, pricing for our binding lines and other casualty offerings, such as those in the healthcare or environmental sectors, is not experiencing the same strong rate increases. Overall, that's the situation. Regarding loss trends, I mentioned that rates are in the high single digits to low double digits, while loss cost trends are a few points below that.

Scott Heleniak, Analyst

Okay. That's definitely helpful. And then just switching to Reinsurance. I know you've been kind of remixing that business for a while and doing non-renewals, just kind of getting that book to where you want it to be. Do you feel like it's pretty close to that point and maybe you could see some growth later in 2024 and 2025? Just anything you can share there on just the Reinsurance side?

Jeremy Noble, President of Insurance Operations

Sure, Scott. You're right. We've been putting in a lot of effort to reshape our portfolio and have taken significant actions over the past few years. I'm quite satisfied with our position in Reinsurance and believe the current market conditions are favorable. We've chosen not to renew contracts that didn't meet our pricing standards, demonstrating our team's discipline in this area. We're prepared to be precise about pricing, conditions, and structures. It's essential for us to maintain a favorable trading environment in Reinsurance. Our primary focus remains on achieving strong financial performance and underwriting profitability. Nevertheless, we have a wide-ranging portfolio in the casualty professional and specialty sectors, which we are managing globally. We're identifying growth opportunities, particularly in marine and energy for 2023 and 2024, where we are growing strategically. We're also looking into other product areas or clients we can support. While we're open to growth, we are not actively pursuing it without careful consideration. Our aim is to maintain strict discipline and ensure that our total performance and underwriting profitability improve. There's a clear difference between managing older accident years, which have seen some reserve developments recently, and the current portfolio that we're feeling optimistic about.

Scott Heleniak, Analyst

Okay. Great. And lastly, can you share what the new money yield is? I know you mentioned that you have higher yields now in the money market and some of the fixed income. Can you discuss the spread between the new money and the existing? Also, are there any significant changes occurring in the investment portfolio?

Thomas Gayner, CEO

Yes, this is Tom. The new money yields are basically what you can see on your Bloomberg or Yahoo! Finance if you want to go the bargain route. And we are buying treasuries and government securities and the high-high credit quality. So there's really nothing new that happens for us that you don't see on a day-by-day basis. I don't have the numbers with me on what the rolling off on the quarter. But we do have a continuing increment of investment income coming on the books as the time goes by.

Scott Heleniak, Analyst

Okay. But nothing really new happening on the fixed income side in terms of just the positioning, repositioning it all there, that's pretty steady state?

Thomas Gayner, CEO

I can assure you that I've been in Markel 34 years now, and we really don't do anything differently on the fixed income side ever.

Operator, Operator

Your next question comes from Robert Farnam with Janney.

Robert Farnam, Analyst

I have another question for Jeremy regarding the Insurance operations. I'm looking at the international professional liability and its favorable development. I have several inquiries. First, did you conduct a review at year-end? If so, what changed in the first quarter? Additionally, I would like to know if there is much difference between the International book and the U.S. book. Specifically, are the tails similar? Are their loss trends comparable? Or is the litigation environment alike? I'm trying to understand how that book compares to the U.S.

Thomas Gayner, CEO

Jeremy, if you'd be so kind as to respond?

Jeremy Noble, President of Insurance Operations

Yes, certainly. There was nothing unusual regarding our loss reserves in the first quarter. We conduct a thorough review of loss reserves across all our product portfolios every quarter. We continuously compare actual experiences with our expectations to determine if any adjustments are needed. As we've consistently mentioned over the years, we respond swiftly to negative news and take a cautious approach to positive developments. In the case of professional lines internationally, we have been careful in assessing whether inflation trends observed in the U.S. would also apply to our international portfolio. Over time, we have gained more confidence as the actual experience has outperformed our initial predictions from our actuarial models, leading us to release reserves when appropriate. It's worth noting that the favorable adjustments from prior years were not solely from that segment but rather a significant contributing factor overall. Regarding the book differential, our international portfolio focuses on risks outside the U.S. There's a distinction between U.S. and international risk profiles based on various factors like legal environment, social inflation, and litigation financing. We believe these aspects differ significantly. Economic inflation trends also appear to vary. There are differences in the client profile, the types of products, and coverage capabilities between our operations in the U.S. and abroad. However, we maintain a wide range of product, coverage, and customer capabilities, serving everyone from small businesses to major Global 1000 accounts in both the U.S. and Bermuda, while acknowledging some key differences, particularly that our international exposure tends to involve smaller, non-U.S. risks.

Operator, Operator

Your next question is a follow-up from Charlie Lederer with Citi.

Charles Lederer, Analyst

So Tom mentioned in the shareholder letter a couple of months ago about the improving earnings trajectory at Nephila as it gets above its high watermark. Wondering if you can update us on the outlook there post 1Q? It doesn't look like we saw the uplift in 1Q. Should we think about that coming soon? Or revenue accelerating there? Any color?

Thomas Gayner, CEO

I will start by addressing that. I would like Jeremy and Brian to add their thoughts. In general, given Nephila's business model, they will perform their work throughout the year, and we will not record many accruals until after the year ends, when we can assess their share of profits. Therefore, the reporting will typically have a one-year delay since we need to reach the first quarter of the following year to understand what occurred in the previous year.

Jeremy Noble, President of Insurance Operations

Yes, Todd, it's Jeremy. I want to add to that, Charlie. There are a few things to note. Firstly, I want to caution you about our disclosures; the insurance-linked securities line does not capture all the economics and contributions from Nephila. The program services and other fronting line show higher revenues and margins, part of which is linked to Nephila's operations. This means the overall earnings profile of that business is better than what is reflected in the ILS line, and it will be profitable overall. Another important point is the seasonality. The first quarter tends to be a low earnings period for the funds due to lower risk levels, which increases in the second quarter. The highest earnings occur in the third quarter, largely because this aligns with wind season and portfolio exposure. Lastly, regarding performance management fees, they will only be recognized as fees once we achieve performance. This will primarily be assessed at the end of the year, so we do not make provisions or assumptions until that time. We'll regroup in three quarters to discuss how it all turned out.

Charles Lederer, Analyst

Got it. That's very helpful. So that's a 4Q or a 4Q dynamic with performance fees?

Jeremy Noble, President of Insurance Operations

That would be most significantly a fourth quarter, a full year dynamic. And that's not absolutely the case for all investors across all funds. But by and large, that's what it would be.

Charles Lederer, Analyst

Okay. If I could ask one more question, Tom began the call by praising the management team for improving the Insurance business, and the results are significantly better. I'm curious, considering some recent news about certain teams possibly leaving and the changes over the last six months, do you believe you have everything in place now to boost growth as you move past some of the challenges? Or should we anticipate that you will continue to make additions?

Thomas Gayner, CEO

I think we have a wonderful team on the field. It's a dynamic business. People come and people go, but we have a wonderful roster of long-term committed veterans that have signed up to be part of the Markel Style, the Markel Group, and I feel very good about our people. Again, we're not focused on top line growth. We're focused on profitability and creating value for the Markel Group shareholders over time. So we might judge ourselves by a slightly different metric than you would look at or can be easily quantified, but I love our team that's on the field.

Operator, Operator

This concludes our question-and-answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Tom Gayner for any closing remarks.

Thomas Gayner, CEO

Thank you so much. And again, I'd just reiterate the invitation for you all to join us on May 22 at the Robins Center at the University of Richmond at 2:00 in the afternoon. It's a wonderful time. We would expect more than 2,000 people there. So it's an event that you don't want to miss, and I hope to see so many of you there. Thank you all for calling. Bye-bye.

Operator, Operator

The conference call has now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect.