Earnings Call Transcript
MASTEC INC (MTZ)
Earnings Call Transcript - MTZ Q2 2025
Operator, Operator
Thank you for standing by, and welcome to MasTec's Second Quarter 2025 Financial Results Conference Call. Today's call is being recorded. I'd like to turn the call over to Chris Mecray, Vice President of Investor Relations.
Chris Mecray, Vice President of Investor Relations
Good morning, everybody, and thank you for joining us for MasTec's Second Quarter 2025 Financial Results Conference Call. Joining me today are Jose Mas, Chief Executive Officer; and Paul Dimarco, Chief Financial Officer. We've prepared slides to supplement our remarks, which are posted on MasTec's website under the Investors tab and through the webcast link. There's also a companion document with information and analytics on the quarter and a guidance summary to assist in financial modeling. Please read the forward-looking statement disclaimer contained in the slides accompanying this call. During this call, we will make forward-looking statements regarding our plans and expectations about the future as of the date of this call. Because these statements are based on current assumptions and factors that involve risks and uncertainties, our actual performance and results may differ materially from our forward-looking statements. Our Form 10-K, as updated by our current and periodic reports, includes a detailed discussion of risks and uncertainties that may cause such differences. In today's remarks, we'll be discussing adjusted financial metrics reconciled in yesterday's press release and supporting schedules. We may also use certain non-GAAP financial measures in this conference call. A reconciliation of any non-GAAP financial measures not reconciled in these comments to the most comparable GAAP financial measures can be found in our earnings press release, slides, or companion documents. I'll now turn the call over to Jose.
Jose Ramon Mas, CEO
Thank you. Good morning, and welcome to MasTec's 2025 Second Quarter Call. Today, I will be reviewing our second quarter results as well as providing my outlook for the markets we serve. I am pleased to report that we exceeded guidance in revenue, met our EBITDA expectation, and beat our EPS guidance for the second quarter. We're happy to have delivered significant year-over-year growth in revenue despite the difficult comparison from the Mountain Valley pipeline completion in the first half of last year. The remaining segments, our non-pipeline business improved EBITDA from $181 million to $257 million in this year's second quarter, a 42% year-over-year increase. Revenue for our non-pipeline business was up 26% with Power Delivery and Clean Energy and Infrastructure, both up 20% and Communications up 40% year-over-year. We expect revenues to sequentially increase again by double digits in the third quarter. Margins for our non-pipeline segments also improved 100 basis points year-over-year and posted a strong 230 basis point sequential improvement. Both our Communications segment and Power Delivery segment improved EBITDA margins by 300 basis points sequentially and Clean Energy improved 120 basis points. We expect further sequential improvements in the third quarter in both our Communications and Power Delivery segments with margins in our Clean Energy segment expected to be about even with the second quarter. Total company backlog in the quarter also remained healthy, posting a 23% year-over-year growth, including a 4% sequential increase, resulting in a book-to-bill ratio in the second quarter of 1.2x. The sequential growth from first quarter included an 11% increase from Clean Energy and Infrastructure, inclusive of solid growth for both renewables and infrastructure and by ongoing growth of 2% from Communications, offset partly by flatter performance in pipeline and power delivery, inclusive of stronger burn rates in the period. We expect further backlog growth in the second half of this year and expect to end 2025 at record levels of backlog. We are increasing revenue guidance to a range of $13.9 billion to $14 billion for full year 2025, a roughly $300 million increase over previous guidance. We are slightly increasing the range of our EBITDA guidance to $1.130 billion to $1.160 billion, and we are increasing the range of EPS guidance to a midpoint of $6.34 per share. Our midpoint EPS guide implies a 60% increase year-over-year. I'd like to highlight that we are seeing clear acceleration across our business. Revenue is stronger than our initial guidance and demand is incredibly strong. During the second quarter, we added nearly 4,000 new team members and over 10% increase in our workforce. This compares to an increase of a couple of hundred in last year's second quarter. These additions are a direct result of the demand we are enjoying today, but more importantly, for the need we see to scale up for what we are expecting in 2026 and beyond. Every segment added team members in the quarter, including our pipeline segment. I'd like to remind everyone that entering 2025, we expected to rightsize resources in our pipeline segment and set some assets as we initially expected revenues in the $1.8 billion range versus last year's $2.1 billion. We now expect revenues to be approximately $2 billion in pipeline this year, but more importantly, the investment we are making in increasing headcount and equipment in our pipeline segment is being driven by the incredible demand we are seeing for 2026 and beyond. These increases in headcount will position us to take advantage of the growing opportunities ahead. However, this investment is slightly impacting margins in 2025. While these additions should allow us to further increase our margin potential, we expect any impact to be short term, particularly in our Pipeline segment. We expect pipeline segment margins to improve sequentially in the third quarter and achieve its best margin performance in the fourth quarter, setting us up for strong performance going into 2026. Turning to some segment highlights. In our Communications segment, revenue in the second quarter was up 42% year-over-year, while adjusted EBITDA grew 55% with a 90 basis point improvement in margin. Backlog increased sequentially to a record $5 billion and increased 13% from the prior year. The market backdrop for telecom infrastructure remains very healthy and dynamic given robust capital investments being made by our customers to support broadband delivery and enable enhanced artificial intelligence applications. We saw continued year-over-year revenue growth in the second quarter from nearly all of our top 10 customers, and our list of significant customers has increased meaningfully in recent years. MasTec's wireless business continues to see strong growth from expanded geographies served and from continued broadening of services. In wireline, overall strong demand continues to be supported by broadband infrastructure build-outs and by federal investment. Middle-mile broadband build-outs and the recent surge in hyperscaler CapEx associated with data centers is also driving substantial fiber deployment demand. Over the last few months, a number of our customers have laid out very specific goals. AT&T recently announced a milestone of passing over 30 million fiber locations and reaffirmed their goal of achieving 60 million by 2030, basically doubling over the next five years. Verizon publicly stated their goal to also double fiber passings by 2028, and T-Mobile is looking to add 12 million to 15 million fiber passings by 2030. These ambitious plans, in conjunction with both increased demand from the traditional cable broadband carriers and a number of new entrant overbuilders, create significant growth opportunities for MasTec. Turning to Power Delivery. Second quarter revenues increased 20% year-over-year and slightly beat our forecast with profit and margins as expected. We believe we are on track to meet our full-year targets and continue to expect margin improvement in the second half of the year from a combination of volume growth, mix improvement, and solid execution. We still expect mid-teens revenue growth and high single-digit margins for the year. Our optimism and bullishness on overall grid investment remains unchanged. The need for substantial utility customer capital expenditures in the coming years is pressing as power demand drives the need to upgrade and add to an aging infrastructure. This demand requires large CapEx commitments across transmission, substations, distribution as well as new generation capacity. Backlog this quarter for the segment was up about 14% versus the second quarter of 2024. We continue to target a broad set of projects of varying scopes, and we still expect several larger projects to be awarded in the coming periods. In our Clean Energy and Infrastructure segment, second quarter revenue grew 20% year-over-year and adjusted EBITDA nearly doubled from $47.3 million to $83.3 million with a margin of 7.4%, an increase of 240 basis points from the prior year. New awards accelerated in the second quarter and totaled $1.6 billion for the segment compared to $1.1 billion in the first quarter. Backlog was up 11% to a new record level of $4.9 billion and book-to-bill was 1.4x. We remain in great shape to deliver our 2025 goals and are already progressing well in building backlog for 2026. Within this segment, both Renewables and Infrastructure had double-digit growth and solid margin performance. We see significant opportunities for new bookings for the second half in these areas as well as opportunities for behind-the-meter power infrastructure, giving substantial experience in this area. We are fully covered for our 2025 revenue guidance, and recent bookings continue to fill in the 2026 year. An important development during the quarter was the passage of the One Big Beautiful Bill. The legislation leaves intact tax credits associated with renewables through 2027 and created a clear path for safe harboring projects, which would allow construction through 2030. A subsequent executive order was signed, and we expect more clarity in the coming months. As it relates to MasTec and as demonstrated in our backlog, we are very confident that our customer mix, which is heavily skewed to the top-tier developers, will have a high level of success in their ability to safe harbor projects. We are also confident in the ability of renewables to compete over time even without federal subsidies. As electricity demand continues to expand, driven by artificial intelligence and data center construction, the cost of competitive power becomes increasingly more important in a global marketplace. For example, in the Middle East, renewable power is being sold at approximately $15 a megawatt hour compared to $50 in the U.S. in an unsubsidized and free market. I have no doubt that renewables will continue to play an important role in domestic energy generation, along with other sources, including natural gas. Turning to our Pipeline Infrastructure segment. We saw revenue decline 6% and EBITDA dropped to $62 million from $135 million the year before. We've noted the primary driver here being the challenging comparisons from the MVP project wind down last year. Pipeline revenue of $540 million was well higher than our guidance of about $475 million and a substantial acceleration from the first quarter with a 52% sequential increase as overall activity picks up. Profits in the quarter met our plan on slightly weaker margins than forecasted as we invested to prepare for future demand. While backlog for the segment was down about 5% sequentially, our second quarter backlog does not include a number of verbally awarded projects whose contracts we expect to sign shortly. As I previously covered, we expect backlog growth through the balance of the year. Gas-fired generation is clearly going to play a much more significant role in future years than we were expecting, and we fully expect to benefit from a multi-year investment curve in this important baseload generation source. I'm very bullish and excited about both the short- and long-term outlook for our pipeline segment. In summary, 2025 is shaping up very well, and the momentum we are building across every segment is very encouraging. I've mentioned previously that we are working more closely with key customers across multiple segments at MasTec on framework agreements that benefit both parties while strengthening our position in diversified end markets. We saw continued progress in the second quarter with such agreements, which have been particularly helpful in securing visibility in all segments. We are very excited about our market position and the ability to leverage close customer relationships to improve visibility and outcomes for our business as we execute on growth with scaled businesses across our enterprise. Of course, the outcomes are dictated and determined in large part by our execution against this significant volume opportunity. Our efforts on operational execution and evolving our business processes to ensure both consistency of outcomes and strong structural profitability is a primary focus. Our margin improvement opportunity is real, and we are taking many steps to realize it. I'm particularly pleased with the progress we showed in the second quarter and expect to have a lot more to show in this regard across our segments in the second half as we continue to develop volumes across the business and refine our operational execution in key areas. As we talk about execution, I'd also like to thank all of our people at MasTec for their continued commitment to our corporate values of safety, environmental stewardship, integrity, and honesty, all while serving our customers with diligence and ensuring the delivery of a great work product. Thank you all. I will now turn the call over to Paul for our financial review.
Paul Dimarco, CFO
Thank you, Jose, and good morning. As Jose mentioned, we are very pleased that our second quarter results exceeded guidance, coming in large part from strong sequential volume development and continued solid execution. We remain highly confident in our business positioning today and into the years ahead, and this is true across all of our end markets given solid demand drivers that will require a significant investment in infrastructure for years to come. This is the case regardless of which technologies are favored and whether financing mechanisms include government incentives. Our customers are clear. They need us to fulfill plans that include major projects across the spectrum of markets we serve. Let me start with some quarterly highlights. Second quarter revenue was well above expectations at $3.54 billion, a new quarterly record, with 20% growth year-over-year and 25% growth sequentially from the first quarter. Adjusted EBITDA of $275 million met our forecast. Three of our four segments beat volume expectations in the period, while the standout performance in profit and margins came from Clean Energy and Infrastructure. Eighteen-month backlog at quarter-end totaled $16.45 billion, an increase of 4% from the first quarter and 23% year-over-year. This represents another record level of total backlog for MasTec, with the growth led by an 11% increase recorded at CE&I that included continued strong bookings in the renewables portfolio, which is fully booked for the current year and continues to build momentum for 2026 and beyond. We generated cash flow from operations of $6 million in the second quarter and $84 million year-to-date, with DSOs at 65 days, a one-day improvement from the first quarter, both in line with our expectations. Our strong second quarter revenue growth with consistent DSOs drove higher working capital investment in the quarter. Free cash flow for Q2 was a use of $45 million versus a source of $253 million in the prior year quarter. The variance was driven mainly by higher working capital investment versus last year, as well as somewhat higher capital expenditures as we accelerated certain capital investments for growth. You may recall in 2024, we saw DSOs decrease from 79 days in Q1 to 69 days for Q2, allowing us to reduce working capital last year, whereas this year did not have the same benefit with DSOs remaining consistent in the mid-60s. We completed $40 million of share repurchases in the second quarter and extinguished our prior remaining authorization, bringing the year-to-date total to $77 million at an average price of $110 per share. Also in the second quarter, our Board authorized an additional $250 million repurchase program. Regarding some highlights from second quarter segment performance. Our Communications segment produced quite significant top and bottom line growth with revenue easily exceeding our forecast for the period and benefiting from continued strong demand in both wireless and wireline businesses from a diverse set of customers across the telecom and tech landscape. The adjusted EBITDA margin of 90 basis points year-over-year was generally in line with guidance, inclusive of certain program expenditures ahead of expected growth that held back margin performance. Second quarter adjusted EBITDA margin was 9.9% compared with 9% in the prior year and increased significantly from 6.9% in the first quarter as volumes ramped positively. Overall end market strength remains strong, and second quarter backlog increased 2% or $102 million despite the record segment revenue in the quarter. Power Delivery continues to see substantial growth across the country, and we exceeded our quarterly revenue forecast by close to $50 million, producing 20% growth year-over-year. Adjusted EBITDA was generally in line with our forecast. Power delivery backlog increased slightly as solid bookings were partially offset by the record quarterly revenue earned in Q2. We continue to see significant new bookings opportunities as we look forward to the balance of the year and anticipate structural growth for this business for years to come, given the anticipated electricity demand and system upgrade requirements for our utility clients. In Clean Energy & Infrastructure, we saw continued improvement in Q2 adjusted EBITDA margin, which increased 230 basis points year-over-year. Our renewables business was a strong contributor to the CE&I margin performance with the benefit of some impacts from project closeouts in the quarter. We continue to see strong performance in the second half from operating leverage with higher volume and continued focus on strong execution. Our guidance assumes margins hold at similar levels to Q2 in the second half of the year. On CE&I backlog, we saw solid bookings from all three business verticals contributing to the 11% sequential increase. This included almost $200 million of renewables backlog growth despite the noise in the period from the Big Beautiful Bill legislation. These new project additions continue to build our book for future years and reinforce the sentiment among our customers that their projects are essential, driven by strong offtake demand. We remain highly optimistic about the sector, driven by the fundamental cost competitiveness of renewable energy and the limited availability of near-term alternatives for new power generation. Regarding pipeline infrastructure, our revenue result in the quarter beat our expectations by nearly $65 million on strong project development driven by a host of smaller and medium-sized projects. Adjusted EBITDA margin for the quarter was in line with expectations, with an 11.5% margin versus guidance of low double digits, but we did see less flow-through from the incremental revenue due to the investments made to support future growth. The year-over-year comparison remained challenged by the MVP project completion in the first half of last year, and we now expect that we will revert to growth beginning in the third quarter to complement ongoing sequential growth after the lower first quarter volume result. Pipeline backlog development was more muted versus the large increase reported in the first quarter, but we continue to see solid new awards totaling over $450 million in the period, and the backlog did not include certain project verbal awards, as Jose mentioned. We continue to expect to bid on a number of larger projects in the second half of this year, with a robust bid schedule that reflects strong sources of demand across multiple geographies and related to numerous major gas basins domestically. The continued diversity of demand drivers related to LNG export, domestic, residential, and commercial demand is leading to a clear resurgence of pipeline construction activity that we are seeing play out over multiple years to come. Last quarter, I highlighted our focus on margin enhancement over time, particularly in our non-pipeline segments, Communications, Power Delivery, and Clean Energy and Infrastructure. Collectively, these segments delivered an 8.5% adjusted EBITDA margin in the second quarter, a 100 basis point improvement year-over-year. We remain optimistic about continued progress in the second half of 2025 for these operations, including a solid increase sequentially in the third quarter with margins approaching double digits for the first time. This expected improvement is driven by operating leverage on higher volume and our continued focus on execution, productivity, and disciplined cost management. Shifting to our updated consolidated guidance. I'd like to remind you that we posted supplemental guidance documents on our IR website and encourage you to review that for segment and other financial guidance details. We are now raising 2025 annual revenue guidance to a range between $13.9 billion and $14 billion, with adjusted EBITDA ranging from $1.13 billion to $1.16 billion. Adjusted EBITDA performance driven by almost 30% expected growth in our non-pipeline segments year-over-year. Adjusted EPS is forecasted to be $6.23 to $6.44, with the midpoint up 60% versus 2024. We expect Q3 revenue of $3.9 billion, adjusted EBITDA of $370 million, and adjusted EPS of $2.28. We are increasing 2025 revenue estimates to account for the second quarter beat and the continued strong demand visibility with significant year-over-year improvements in most segments, partially offset by the lower pipeline revenue recorded in the first half due to MVP project runoff. On adjusted EBITDA margins, we expect second half year-over-year margin expansion for Communications and Power Delivery, offset by slightly lower second half margins year-over-year for pipeline and Clean Energy due to the investments we are making to support anticipated future growth. Similarly, we are raising our net cash capital expenditure guidance to $140 million as we procure additional equipment to support this growth. Also notable, we still do not see material impacts from either tariffs or federal tax incentive changes from the recent Big Beautiful Bill legislation in our 2025 outlook that we have considered a measure of general macro uncertainty from the current policy and geopolitical environment as we discount risk in our forecast planning. Regarding cash flow and the balance sheet, we are increasing our expectation to $700 million to $750 million of cash flow from operations for 2025, assuming DSOs average around the mid-60s for the balance of the year. We ended the quarter with total liquidity of approximately $2 billion and net leverage of 2.0x, which we expect to decrease in the back half of the year. In June, we successfully refinanced our credit facilities, resulting in the extension of maturities and favorable adjustments to certain terms, covenants, and pricing. Our strong balance sheet and well-structured debt profile provide us significant financial flexibility to pursue a disciplined return-focused capital allocation strategy. Our top priority remains supporting our robust organic growth opportunities through investments in equipment and capacity expansion where we see compelling returns. We will also continue to evaluate opportunistic accretive acquisitions that complement our existing service lines, consistent with our long-standing approach. In addition, we maintain a share repurchase authorization, and we will deploy capital to buybacks opportunistically. This completes our prepared remarks, and I'll now turn the call over to the operator for Q&A.
Operator, Operator
We will now take our first question from Steven Fisher from UBS.
Steven Michael Fisher, Analyst
I wanted to follow up on your comments regarding clean energy. I'm interested in learning about the customer feedback and activity you observed during the quarter, especially considering all the policy uncertainty. It seems like you are relatively prepared for 2025, but did this situation shift any specific projects or bookings you had planned for 2026? Also, how much do you currently have booked in your 2026 plan?
Jose Ramon Mas, CEO
Steve. So I would say a couple of things. I'd say our customers so far have been unaffected, right? I think what everybody's plans were for '25 are ongoing, quite frankly, what everybody's plans were for '26 are ongoing. The work that we've booked, the success that we've had in bookings in both the first and the second quarter have nothing to do with the federal legislative process as it's played out. I think it's completely solidified our plan for '25. It's put us in an incredible position for '26 where we would expect to further grow that piece of the business. And at the end of the day, we're really excited about what came out of the legislation. We think the One Big Beautiful Bill is a good bill for MasTec. Obviously, we've got an executive order that we're paying attention to. But we work for top-tier developers, and we think that they're in the best position to really maintain their business over a really long cycle.
Steven Michael Fisher, Analyst
Okay. That's helpful. And then in power delivery, just curious how you're thinking about the timing of bookings here. I think, Jose, you said the coming periods. Could that mean still the second half of this year? And what you think are your focus projects here? Is it more on the very high-voltage lines? Or would it be substations or anything else or all the above?
Jose Ramon Mas, CEO
Well, I mean we're focused on all of the above. I think we've made great progress in the business. If you look at our guidance, we're guiding to grow just under 20% for the year. That's virtually all organic. So I think we've done a great job in that business of building off of what already was a good 2024. I think margin progression is happening in that business as we expected. We're really excited about what the second half is going to bring for us in power delivery. We think our positioning in the market is fantastic. We expect to be a player on big projects as we go forward but also on the day-to-day business, right? The day-to-day business is really important for us. It's the bulk of what we do. We're constantly winning projects. We're constantly getting more competitive. We're talking a lot about margin expansion opportunities and what we've done to build margins. And if you think about where we've come in that business from just a few years ago in '22 and '23 as we were very acquisitive in that business, I think we've made tremendous inroads in margin expansion and then really positioning in the market, and we're really excited about what's going to come in that market for us.
Operator, Operator
We will take our next question from Philip Shen from ROTH Capital Partners.
Philip Shen, Analyst
First one as a follow-up, Jose, what are your expectations for how that could play out and the different outcomes? Also, how are the Tier 1 customers positioned for those various outcomes?
Jose Ramon Mas, CEO
Sure. So look, I think a number of our customers today have a large portfolio of safe harbor projects. The way that the legislation is written is through '27, everybody keeps their credits. Beyond '27 it's what you have safe harbor. There's a lot of opportunities for people to further safe harbor projects all the way into the middle of '26. There will be some changes in the executive order relative to that. We think they'll be manageable. And more importantly, we think they'll be manageable by the top-tier developers. I think the work that we've done post the IEA acquisition in terms of really focusing ourselves on the customers that we were working for, the relationships that we're creating. When you look at our customer base today in that industry, we think it's best-in-class. It's Tier 1, and we think those are the ones that are best positioned to take advantage of the opportunities that will exist to safe harbor. It literally puts your projects in play all the way to 2030. Obviously, there's another election in 2028. So we'll see what happens. But we're excited about, again, not just '26, where I have no doubt in my mind that this business is going to grow for us in 2026. I think it will grow beyond that. And over time, and we said it in our prepared remarks, I actually think the market is becoming a lot more competitive. When you look at the sources of power that exist, right, you've got nuclear, which is a ways out. You've got gas that we'll see significant increases in 3 to 5 years. But when you look at the price of that, renewables start getting really competitive even without subsidies. When you look at the rest of the world and what they're able to build renewables at in a free market, it's a low cost. So it is a formidable form of power generation at a low cost, especially when you consider storage. And we think the market is going to be strong for a really, really long time with or without federal incentives.
Philip Shen, Analyst
Great. And then you talked about also how bookings have accelerated, I think, for clean energy. And I think in the back half, that might continue. And so I was wondering if you could just kind of give a little bit more color post-OBB, what the conversations were like with customers? Did you see really an aggressive kind of amount of activity in July? And then do you expect that acceleration to sustain through Q3 and Q4? Or do you think that kind of slows down as we get through the year?
Jose Ramon Mas, CEO
I would say not yet. The bookings we achieved in the first and second quarters were unrelated to the bill. In the first quarter, we booked over $1 billion in new projects, which we were really excited about. I believe we had a book-to-bill ratio of approximately 1.4 in that market during the first quarter. In the second quarter, we booked $1.6 billion, and I think this acceleration is critically important. I believe we are going to see a strong second half of the year and a solid third quarter again. I would argue that none of that is connected to the bill. Depending on what happens with the executive order, there might be a scenario where people work hard to secure safe harbor and bring in a lot of work. We have not factored any of that into our considerations. While we are unsure, it could present an opportunity for MasTec and others in the industry, but we will continue to engage with our customers to determine if that will be necessary. Hopefully, it won’t be, and people will make use of their current safe harboring over the next five years or so.
Philip Shen, Analyst
Great. One more, if I may, as it relates to margin. In terms of EBITDA margin, what are your latest thoughts on the overall trajectory in '26 and '27? Are double-digit margins still on the table in the near to medium term?
Jose Ramon Mas, CEO
Yes. So the question is whether it pertains to the overall company or is specific to clean energy.
Philip Shen, Analyst
Total company.
Jose Ramon Mas, CEO
Yes. So from a total company perspective, look, we're really bullish on every segment that we operate in. We're seeing significant acceleration. As we said, obviously, the big driver to margins in our business is our Pipeline segment. It's historically been our highest margin business. We're really bullish about what's going to come there. I think when you look at our guidance for this year, we're in that low 8% range. I don't know that we're not going to sit here today and talk about getting to double digits in 2026. But over the long term, that is our goal. That we think we can achieve that. Obviously, it has a lot to do with the mix of our business. But we think today, when we look at our outlook over the next few years, the mix potential of our business has never been better.
Operator, Operator
We will now move to Andy Kaplowitz from Citigroup.
Andrew Alec Kaplowitz, Analyst
Jose, so you did raise your pipeline revenue forecast a bit, but as you said, backlog was down slightly sequentially. So could you give us a little more color on what you're seeing? You mentioned, I think, some projects you expect to book shortly. Is it possible to quantify that? And then I know you've talked about revenue at least as big as in '24 and '26. So maybe you could update us on the potential of this cycle. Could it be comparable to pre-COVID levels?
Jose Ramon Mas, CEO
Sure. Thanks for the question, Andy. So a couple of things I'd say. Our pipeline business isn't about this year, and quite frankly, it isn't even about next year. We stand firm with what we said before, which is we think that our 2026 pipeline business will look a lot more like our '24 pipeline business, which is a sizable increase from where we'll be in 2025. Historically, obviously, it's been our best-performing business. It's been our highest margin business. It peaked at about $3.5 billion of revenues. I think on our last call, we said if the market plays out the way that we're seeing, there's potential to ultimately get there over time. We still feel that way. It's somewhat remarkable that we're even saying that based on where the business has been in the last couple of years. But the level of activity that we're seeing today is, in my mind, somewhat unprecedented. Again, not necessarily for '26, but even beyond '26. And we're making significant investments today, right? We're investing in people. We're investing in equipment, and we're preparing for what we think is going to be a really large cycle, which we'll see the beginning of in '26.
Andrew Alec Kaplowitz, Analyst
Helpful, Jose. And maybe a similar question in communications. There seems to be a ton of drivers there, whether it's fiber-to-the-home, but now fiber to the data center. I think the Big Beautiful Bill helps with 100% bonus depreciation. So maybe you can talk about sort of the durability and duration of the cycle as you see it today, both in wireline and wireless.
Jose Ramon Mas, CEO
So again, Andy, the strength of the market has somewhat caught us by surprise. Our revenue guidance this year is over 20%, all organic. In the first two quarters, we exceeded that. We are optimistic not just about this year, but about what will happen in 2026 and beyond. We have numerous new customers approaching us with various plans and opportunities. We are pricing many things in the market, and we believe next year will also be a strong growth year. In fact, we think we are just at the start of this cycle. There has been much discussion about factors that haven’t yet impacted the market. Currently, the business drivers include the expansion of middle fiber, which is designed not only for data centers but also to support growth across various industries, and we do not expect this trend to stop anytime soon.
Operator, Operator
We will take our next question from Sangita Jain from KeyBanc Capital Markets.
Sangita Jain, Analyst
Jose, if I can follow up with one more on the Communications segment. Can you talk specifically about MasTec split wireline versus wireless as you lap the Ericsson order and as we talked about all the fiber opportunities come up?
Jose Ramon Mas, CEO
Historically, the wireless business was the largest part of our operations, but that has changed. Our wireless sector now accounts for about 40% of our overall business, with the remaining portion being wireline. The wireline segment is experiencing significant growth. Despite this shift, we remain very optimistic about our wireless business. The Ericsson project is still in its early stages, having started in the latter half of last year. We're at the beginning of what is expected to be a long-term growth cycle for this opportunity. We also see extensive potential with other carriers in the wireless space as they roll out their plans in the upcoming years. We anticipate substantial growth opportunities within the entire communications industry. Similarly, the demand in the wireline market is as strong as it has ever been, and we expect it to keep growing. We believe both sectors are robust and present remarkable growth prospects in the years to come. While the wireline segment is larger in overall scale, we have a solid position in both areas.
Sangita Jain, Analyst
And if I can follow up on that itself. Would you need to make investments on that wireline side similar to what you are doing in pipelines if the cycle does materialize the way it's looking today?
Jose Ramon Mas, CEO
I think we've done it. We talked a little bit about that on our first quarter call. We also added people in that business in a sizable way in the second quarter. I think we've talked about ramping up for the demand. I think we've been in that circumstance now for multiple quarters. So I actually think we're pretty well positioned there. I don't think that the level of investment on a go-forward basis is going to be different than what it's been in the last couple of quarters. So I think we'll continue to build off that.
Operator, Operator
We will take our next question from Julien Dumoulin-Smith from Jefferies.
Julien Patrick Dumoulin-Smith, Analyst
Just maybe to kick it off a little bit, let's talk about margins here a little bit. I mean, obviously, you're talking about investing and reinvesting in the business in anticipation. What's the timeline and cadence here of seeing that inflect in certain segments here? I mean, obviously, as you said yourself, some of those may not necessarily fully translate into bookings or at least meaningful revenue increases in '26. How do you think about the cadence of that margin improvement through the cycle here? And then secondly, to follow up on the pipeline commentary earlier, there's some pretty mega projects contemplated here for the back half of the year. I mean, obviously, given your market position, can we make presumptions about some of those large ones and your position there in? I mean, just being aligned with those partners?
Jose Ramon Mas, CEO
Yes. So I'd say a couple of things. I'd say when we think about investments relative to margin, our backlog is way up, I mean, considerably up since the beginning of the year. It's been across virtually all of our segments. We see what's coming. We see what's not in backlog, but we feel confident we're going to win. And that's the reason for the investment decisions that we've made. So we're really trying to get ahead of that. We're really trying to be in a position so that when that work comes in, we can hit it and execute on the highest margin that we can relative to that. So we think that a lot of our investment will be captured in '25 relative to what we're going to need to take advantage of some of these growing markets. Obviously, there's always a need for investment, but we think we're doing a lot of that as we speak. As it relates to pipeline, look, we're the largest pipeline builder in North America. We think we're the best pipeline builder in North America, bar none. We've got the largest fleet. We've got great people, and we think that for any owner that's out there that's interested in building a pipeline, there would be no reason not to contact MasTec and want MasTec on your project for lots of reasons. And we think that, that will play out in the marketplace.
Julien Patrick Dumoulin-Smith, Analyst
Got it. And just to clarify from earlier, the renewable timing, obviously, you saw good progress here. How do you think about the timing of those projects getting pulled in? You made allusion to it earlier, but maybe to put a finer point on it, do you think that you actually see a shift forward into '26 and '27 specifically on the renewable business even within your existing backlog?
Jose Ramon Mas, CEO
It depends, but not on the current backlog since it's only 18 months. We don't have anything for 2027 in the backlog, regardless of our discussions with customers or expectations for that year. I don't believe customers are quite there yet. Ideally, they would have numerous gigawatts of projects planned from now through 2030 and would be able to execute that plan as intended. If there is a change related to the executive order requiring them to speed things up, we would certainly observe a notable increase in business, which we would need to manage accordingly. However, that's speculative, and I prefer not to delve into that. I believe there will be a reasonable way to safeguard projects, but I don't anticipate a significant acceleration across the industry; only time will tell.
Operator, Operator
We'll take our next question from Atidrip Modak from Goldman Sachs.
Atidrip Modak, Analyst
Jose, you mentioned a headcount increase on the pipeline side in particular. Can you talk about the capacity building targets there? And how many large pipelines can you be working on at the same time? And is there a difference in utilization rates as we think of margins between the long-haul lines and the connector lines?
Jose Ramon Mas, CEO
The 4,000 number we provided was for the entire company. The pipeline was a significant factor in that. We believe we perform well across all project types, whether large or small. We have stated this before. The potential for margin improvement does not necessarily depend on the project type or size, though it sometimes varies with the contract structure. For instance, cost-plus contracts typically offer lower margins compared to unit-based contracts. Most of our work has been unit-based, with some cost-plus projects mixed in. We will see how that mix evolves moving forward. Regarding scale, we believe we are currently underutilized at $2 billion, especially when we consider our peak was around $3.5 billion in pipeline sales a couple of years ago. We see a significant opportunity to enhance productivity with our existing assets. We are confident that from a scaling perspective and our performance capabilities, there won't be a shortage of projects. For us, the focus will be on selecting the right partners, determining which customers we want to serve, and deciding how quickly and to what extent we want to expand our business over time.
Atidrip Modak, Analyst
Got it. And then on that note, I guess, on the verbally awarded contract that you were talking about, can you help us understand the nature of that between sort of connector lines or long-haul lines? And is there a way to assess how much of the pipeline on average you are bidding for or you could be getting awards for?
Jose Ramon Mas, CEO
In terms of the total market or a specific project?
Atidrip Modak, Analyst
For a long-haul pipeline, I mean, are you bidding for the entire thing? Is it reasonable to expect you're going to get the entire thing or 40%, 50%, anything like that?
Jose Ramon Mas, CEO
Yes. Look, so it depends on the customer. There are projects that we've done in their entirety. There are projects where we've done half a project, the majority of a project, and it all depends on the customer, the size of the project, the location, the risk tolerance, right? For us, again, we've got a lot of availability. We've got, we think, the most flex in the marketplace relative to our ability to gear up for any project. And we are going to responsibly try to be as strong as we can in that business and grow that business as quickly and as reasonably as we can at the margin profile that we've historically enjoyed.
Operator, Operator
We will take our next question from Drew Chamberlain from JPMorgan.
Drew Walker Chamberlain, Analyst
First, I want to follow up on the pipeline margins. I appreciate the investment you made in the business this quarter. Can you discuss how much more investment you will need in 2025 to prepare for the upcoming years? Also, we've previously talked about revenue volumes being at 3.5%, and I believe the margin profile was also in the 20s. As revenue increases, do you anticipate any structural changes in the margin potential? I'm not referring to your guidance, but rather your thoughts on the potential for that business. Have there been any changes in labor costs or other input costs that might influence your view on the margin profile?
Jose Ramon Mas, CEO
In the long-term, the answer is no. There's nothing structurally different. Even when considering 2025, which I know we don't want to focus on, our guidance for margins in the latter half of 2025 is significantly higher. We'll return to the mid-teens in the second half of 2025 compared to the first half. Moreover, 2026 is not expected to be the peak year. I believe the cycle begins in 2026, and performance then will certainly surpass that of 2025, approaching the levels seen in 2024. Additionally, as volume continues to grow over time, there’s no reason we shouldn't achieve historical margin profiles. We've consistently aimed for high to mid-teens in that market. The potential to exceed that exists, but it depends on our execution. Therefore, we maintain that there’s nothing structurally different that would prevent us from reaching similar margin levels as we have historically.
Operator, Operator
Okay. And then a quick one on cash. I mean, obviously, a big ramp here in the second half of the year in the implied guidance. And can you just maybe talk about what's giving you confidence in that ramp? I mean I appreciate you did it last year, and so it's clearly achievable. But what's giving you confidence this year? And then maybe if there are a few points that make you worried about whether it's achievable or not, things that could be headwinds in the second half to cash, I mean, what would those be?
Paul Dimarco, CFO
It's really just timing of the sequential growth, right? So we had big sequential growth in Q2, and it will moderate as we go through Q3 and Q4 from the prior quarter. It's just working capital. That's the only working capital timing. Our DSOs in the low to mid-60s are where we think they'll be structurally. So it will have a benefit of reducing those any further. So it's just timing of investing for the various jobs.
Operator, Operator
We will now move to Jamie Cook from Truist Securities.
Jamie Lyn Cook, Analyst
Nice quarter. I guess, Jose, obviously, lots of growth opportunities ahead of you and you're investing in your business as you talked about increasing your labor. I'm wondering to what degree does that create a short-term headwind as you think about margins, at least in the first part of 2026, I mean just as we're absorbing those costs and training people, et cetera? And then I guess my second question, and I'm sorry if someone's asked this, but there's like 5 calls this morning. Just your thoughts on M&A, your peers are making some pretty aggressive moves on the acquisition front. To what degree do you think you need to do more acquisitions to continue to enhance your competitive positioning? And to what degree do you need to do acquisitions to ramp the labor growth?
Jose Ramon Mas, CEO
Yes, there are a few points to discuss. When we analyze our investments, we believe we will absorb those costs in 2025. We absorbed some in the second quarter, which contributed to our revenue growth, but it didn't translate into significant EBITDA flow-through. We also saw a bit of the same impact in Q3, where we've slightly raised our revenue guidance but are still not seeing much flow-through. We believe this is linked to our investments, and we expect to see a shift starting in Q4, with no major lingering effects into 2026. By then, we anticipate high utilization of the investments we've made. Regarding mergers and acquisitions, we were quite active in 2022 and 2023, but our focus has shifted to organic growth opportunities. This year, our revenue and earnings growth, including a 60% increase in EPS compared to last year, has primarily come from organic sources. This approach was crucial for our organization, especially given the integration challenges we faced with IEA. We feel we've moved past those issues and are positioned differently now. To answer your question about the necessity of M&A, we do not see it as essential. For 2026, we aim to exceed $15 billion in revenue, a goal we set when we acquired IEA in the summer of 2022. I am confident that we will surpass that revenue target next year. We also believe our EBITDA margins will improve in 2026 compared to 2025 and that we can exceed $8 of EPS in 2026. Thus, from a necessity standpoint, we don't believe we need M&A to achieve double-digit growth in revenue and earnings. However, there are indeed M&A opportunities that interest us and could help foster further business growth. I think we're becoming more prepared for strategic acquisitions than we have been in the previous couple of years. While we’re not seeking transformational acquisitions, we have successfully engaged in smaller tuck-in deals. Looking ahead, you can expect us to be more active in the M&A landscape.
Operator, Operator
We will take our next question from Justin Hauke from Robert W. Baird.
Justin P. Hauke, Analyst
Great. I think most of my questions have been answered. I just have one quick one. Just turning back to the Communications segment. I think your previous guidance for the second half was that it would be kind of flattish. And now 3Q in particular, really strong. And I guess, second half up high single digits, maybe close to 10%. Is that the data center fiber work that's driving that? Or what's the change versus kind of the previous outlook that it would be flattish here in the second half?
Jose Ramon Mas, CEO
Well, I think it's the outperformance in the first half, right? So if you look at the first half, again, we grew first half revenue versus last year in the comps business is up 38%, which is really impressive. I think that, if anything, I'd argue we're being a little conservative in the second half, and I think it's broad-based. I think the wireless business is performing well. It's strong. We've done a really good job of gearing up and we did a really good job of gearing up and preparing for some of the larger projects we had in that business. I think that's showing in execution today. We continue to see tons of wireline opportunities, new ones that we're pricing that will have some impact towards the end of '25, but quite frankly, will probably impact '26 more. So we continue to see activity. I think, obviously, the wireless build-out started in the second half of '25. So the '25 second half comps are more difficult than the first half '25. That's part of the reason for the large variances in growth. But again, when we look at the cycle and what we think we can accomplish in this business over a longer period of time, we think high single to low double-digit top-line growth is very reasonable in this market for that segment.
Operator, Operator
We will now take our next question from Brian Brophy from Stifel.
Brian Daniel Brophy, Analyst
I wanted to ask about power delivery margins. There was some discussion about project inefficiencies in the Q and I think the press release as well. And I think this is the second quarter you guys have talked about this. Any more color on what is driving these project inefficiencies? Is it related to GreenLink at all? And how should we be thinking about this potential headwind in the second half?
Jose Ramon Mas, CEO
If we consider our margin guidance for power delivery in the second half, we expect it to be in double digits for both the third and fourth quarters. This aligns with our previous statements, and I don’t believe there are any major points to emphasize. There were some weather-related influences, with certain regions seeing improvements while others faced challenges. We mentioned in the first quarter that we felt some margin opportunities were missed in the first half of the year. Nevertheless, we still saw year-over-year increases in both earnings and revenue, with revenue rising about 17% and EBITDA increasing by 10% in the first half when compared to the previous year. While we did improve, we anticipated better results, and I believe we will be able to demonstrate that in the latter half of the year.
Operator, Operator
We will take our next question from Brent Thielman from D.A. Davidson.
Brent Edward Thielman, Analyst
Congrats on all the momentum here. Jose, just at look, you got a lot of businesses that sort of benefit indirectly from the AI data center build-out. Maybe just refresh us on some of the things you're doing more directly for data centers, kind of size it for us? And are you investing more in it and trying to scale that up?
Jose Ramon Mas, CEO
The short answer is yes. We initially began our focus in this area on the civil side of our infrastructure business. It has expanded significantly, particularly in power-related work for data centers and telecom projects linked to data centers. Our business in this sector is continuing to grow and is performing as expected or even better. We are more optimistic about the longer-term opportunities in this market than we have ever been. In the upcoming quarters, we hope to share more details about our specific services and target areas.
Operator, Operator
We will take our next question from Liam Burke from B. Riley Securities.
Liam Dalton Burke, Analyst
Jose, pipeline is accelerating and you laid out all the reasons why. Is it just the challenge you have in front of you scaling the business? Or has there been any change in the competitive front?
Jose Ramon Mas, CEO
We're not afraid of the competition. There has been a significant shift in sentiment. If you had asked our customers a year ago, their outlook was very different from today. The election has changed many things, including the future reliance on natural gas, which has impacted the business. Our customers are adapting to these changes, but this process takes time. Any given project requires extensive engineering planning, ordering materials, and obtaining permits, which is already in progress. The level of activity we're witnessing is remarkable, and we believe we will capture more than our fair share. It's a matter of timing, and we anticipate positive developments in the second half of the year. We're excited and preparing for it, and that's what's currently driving our business and investment decisions. I have 0 doubt in my mind that when the time comes that, that becomes a growing source of generation, we will be engaged.
Operator, Operator
That will conclude today's Q&A session. I would now like to turn the call back over to management for any additional or closing remarks.
Chris Mecray, Vice President of Investor Relations
Thank you all for joining. This concludes today's call. Thanks for participating. And as a reminder, please visit our investor website for a replay and transcript of the call, which will be posted when available. Have a good day.
Operator, Operator
That concludes today's call. Thanks for participating. And as a reminder, please visit our investor website for a replay and a transcript of the call, which will be posted when available.