Earnings Call Transcript - MYRG Q4 2021

Operator, Operator

Good morning, everyone and welcome to the MYR Group, Fourth-Quarter and full-year 2021 Earnings Results Conference Call. Today's conference is being recorded. At this time for opening remarks and introductions, I would like to turn the conference over to David Gutierrez of Dresner Corporate Services. Please go ahead, David.

David Gutierrez, Corporate Secretary

Good morning, everyone. I'd like to welcome you to the MYR Group conference call to discuss the company's fourth-quarter and full-year results for 2021, which were reported yesterday. Joining us on today's call are Richard Swartz, President and Chief Executive Officer, Betty Johnson, Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer, Tod Cooper, Senior Vice President and Chief Operating Officer of MYR Group's Transmission and Distribution segment, and Jeffrey Waneka, Senior Vice President and Chief Operating Officer of MYR Group's Commercial and Industrial segment. If you did not receive yesterday's press release, please contact Dresner Corporate Services at 312-726-3600, and we will send you a copy or go to the MYR Group website, where a copy is available under the Investor Relations Tab. Also a replay of today's call will be available until Thursday, March 3rd, 2022 at 11:00 AM Mountain Time. Please dial (855) 859-2056 or (404) 537-3406 and enter our conference ID 8097179. Before we begin, I want to remind you that this discussion may contain forward-looking statements. Any such statements are based upon information available to MYR Group's management as of this date. And MYR Group assumes no obligation to update any such forward-looking statements. These forward-looking statements involve risks and uncertainties that could cause actual material results to differ materially from the forward-looking statements. Accordingly, these statements are no guarantee of future performance. These risks and uncertainties are discussed in the company's Annual Report on Form 10-K for the year ended December 31, 2021 and in yesterday's press release. Certain non-GAAP financial information will be discussed on the call today. A reconciliation of these non-GAAP measures to the most comparable GAAP measures is set forth in yesterday's press release. With that said, let me turn the call over to Richard Swartz.

Richard Swartz, CEO

Thanks, David. Good morning, everyone. Welcome to our fourth quarter and full-year 2021 conference call to discuss financial and operational results. I will begin by providing a summary of the fourth quarter and full-year results and then will turn the call over to Betty Johnson, our Chief Financial Officer for a more detailed financial review. Following Betty's overview, Tod Cooper and Jeffrey Waneka, Chief Operating Officers for our T&D and C&I segment, will provide a summary of our segment's performance and discuss some of MYR Group's opportunities going forward. I will conclude today's call with some closing remarks and open the call up for your questions. We finished 2021 with a strong financial performance in the fourth quarter and full-year revenues of $2.5 billion, setting a record high for the seventh consecutive year. Our backlog of $1.79 billion at the end of 2021 reflects continued investment in infrastructure and energy projects and positions us well for the year ahead. Our accomplishments this year reflect both our organizational and operational resilience and the strength of our long-lasting relationships and multiyear service agreements. Trends in the energy market point to continued investment in clean energy and improving grid resiliency. We believe this positions us well for success in 2022. Our C&I segment continues to be fueled by investments in infrastructure to support clean energy, healthcare, high-tech manufacturing, data centers, and wastewater treatment facilities. Our T&D segment continues to execute transmission, distribution, substation, and clean energy projects of varied size, location, and capacity. We continue to grow our business through both organic growth and acquisitions. Our recent purchase of the Powerline companies, headquartered in Toronto, extends our presence into Eastern Canada and enhances our abilities to capture and execute new projects in a new geography. We are uniquely positioned to offer our clients comprehensive solutions for a broad range of complex projects. We continually leverage the ingenuity and passion of our team members to elevate the safety, quality, and cost competitiveness of our project delivery. We believe MYR Group is well positioned to maintain our status as an industry leader. And we are proud of our fourth-quarter and 2021 full-year performance, which we expect to serve as a solid foundation for future growth opportunities and continued stockholder value. Now, Betty will provide details on our fourth-quarter and full-year 2021 financial results.

Betty Johnson, CFO

Thank you, Richard, and good morning everyone. On today's call, I will be reviewing our quarter-over-quarter results for the fourth quarter of 2021 as compared to the fourth quarter of 2020. Our fourth-quarter 2021 revenues were $646 million. This represents an increase of $38 million or 6.3% compared to the same period last year. Our fourth-quarter T&D revenues were $353.3 million, a record high for our T&D segment with an increase of 10.9% compared to the same period last year. The breakdown of T&D revenues was $218.2 million for transmission and $135.1 million for distribution. The T&D segment revenues increased primarily due to an increase in revenue on distribution projects and large site projects. Approximately 50% of our fourth-quarter T&D revenues are related to work performed under master service agreements. C&I revenues were $292.7 million with an increase of 1.2% compared to the same period last year. Our gross margin was 12.9% for the fourth quarter of 2021 compared to 12.6% for the same period last year. The increase in gross margin was primarily due to better-than-anticipated productivity on certain projects, favorable job closeouts, and favorable change orders on certain projects. These improvements were partially offset by labor and equipment inefficiencies on certain projects and an unfavorable change order adjustment on a project. Additionally, gross margin during the fourth quarter of 2021 was negatively impacted in certain geographic areas by an increase in project restrictions and disruptions related to the COVID-19 pandemic. SG&A expenses were $52.6 million, an increase of $1.8 million compared to the same period last year. The increase was primarily due to an increase in employee-related expenses to support the growth in our operations, partially offset by a decrease in employee incentive compensation costs. Fourth quarter 2021 net income was $20.7 million or $1.20 per diluted share, compared to $18.2 million or $1.07 per diluted share for the same period last year. Fourth-quarter 2021 EBITDA was $41.4 million compared to $37.2 million for the same period last year. Total backlog as of December 30th, 2021 was $1.79 billion, a record high and was 8.5% higher than a year ago. Total backlog as of December 31st, 2021, consisted of $676.1 million for our T&D segment and a record high of $1.1 billion for our C&I segment. As Richard mentioned earlier, on January 4th, we completed the acquisition of Powerline Plus companies. Over the last two years, we combined average annual revenues of Powerline Plus companies of approximately $80 million. The purchase price was approximately $114 million, which was subject to working capital and net asset adjustments and was funded through a combination of cash on hand and borrowings under our credit facility. We may also pay additional contingent consideration based upon the achievements of certain financial performance targets. Additionally, we do not expect the Powerline Plus companies to be accretive to EPS in 2022 mainly due to the high amortization of intangibles this year. Moving to liquidity in our balance sheet; we had approximately $249.8 million of working capital, $4.5 million of funded debt, and $362.7 million of borrowings available under our credit facility as of December 31st, 2021. Our funded debt-to-EBITDA leverage ratio has continued to stay strong at 0.03 times leverage as of December 31st, 2021. We believe that our credit facility, strong balance sheet, and future cash flow from operations will enable us to meet our working capital needs, equipment investments, and growth initiatives. In summary, we had improvements this quarter in revenue, gross profit, net income, earnings per share, EBITDA, and backlogs compared to the prior year. This strong quarter also enabled us to reach record annual revenues of $2.5 billion with record highs in both our T&D and C&I segment. For the year ended December 31st, 2021, we also reached record net income of $85 million and record EBITDA of $164.2 million. Our 2021 earnings per diluted share also reached a record of $4.95, an increase of 42% from the full prior year. I'll now turn the call over to Tod Cooper who will provide an overview of our transmission and distribution segment.

Tod Cooper, COO, T&D

Thanks, Betty. And good morning, everyone. Our T&D segment performed well in 2021 as our companies continued to strengthen and expand our market presence. We focused on aging infrastructure, system hardening, grid reliability, and clean energy projects that are helping clients meet decarbonization goals. We believe there are abundant opportunities for sustained growth in this dynamic market. We will continue investing in expanding and developing our customer base. We are pleased to welcome the Powerline companies to our T&D business to bring a strong market presence in Toronto and the surrounding area, which we will work to build upon in the years to come by supporting their efforts to serve existing customers and gain new customers in the region. Their culture and values align closely with ours, and we look forward to their future success. MYR Group companies are known for our commitment to supporting customers, especially when an emergency arises. Our crews recently answered the call for help from Xcel Energy in responding to the Marshall fire restoration effort in Colorado. In excess of 200 Sturgeon Electric employee team members worked tirelessly on overhead and underground electrical and gas distribution systems to help restore power to customers as quickly and safely as possible. We are grateful for these and all of our dedicated employees who make a difference every day. In addition to our own alliance work with Xcel Energy, Sturgeon Electric is supporting Tucson Electric Power, Arizona Public Service, Rocky Mountain Power, Southern California Edison, and others in maintaining and expanding their T&D operations. MYR Energy Services or MYRG experienced robust activity in the solar space on multiple EPC solar contracts in the fourth quarter and is also engaged in preliminary engineering of two additional solar projects. Additionally, we are excited to announce the award of a large transmission project for MYRG's Large Projects Group. The transmission project with an approximate value of $150 million is expected to kick off in spring of 2022 with completion in late 2023. This project is not reflected in our year-end 2021 backlog. Western construction maintains a strong presence in the ongoing relationships with several customers, including Oncor Electric, Entergy, NextEra, and Duke Energy. Substation work is also increasing with a recent award of seven projects related to solar farm installations. The Eastern Region of our T&D business remains strong with consistent project opportunities, with many long-time customers. In the Midwest, the L.E. Myers Company recently executed multiyear agreements which provide growth opportunities in the region. And in Illinois, we achieved substantial completion of the Gateway Project. Heartland Electric continued its strong performance in 2021 and recently executed a two-year extension with Pike County Electric for distribution work. The team, which performs both C&I and T&D work in the Northeast, had a strong year as well and expanded its capabilities in the clean energy space through the award and ongoing construction of four solar projects. In summary, we are proud of our accomplishments in the fourth quarter and all of 2021. Our teams maintained a strong focus on safety and project execution, positioning us as a strong partner in the T&D industry for many years to come. I will now turn the call over to Jeffrey Waneka, who will provide an outlook for our commercial and industrial segment.

Jeffrey Waneka, COO, C&I

Thank you, Tod. And good morning, everyone. Our C&I segment performed well in 2021 as we safely worked our way through the year and continued building on a solid foundation of strong relationships. Backlog increased throughout the year as we captured desirable projects like transportation, clean energy, healthcare, high-tech manufacturing, data centers, and wastewater treatment. As we finished the fourth quarter of 2021 and enter into 2022, several of our district locations have experienced increased COVID project restrictions and disruptions. We believe some of our C&I district locations will continue facing this disruption in the near-term, and we anticipate easing in the second half of the year. We are encouraged to see the major indices, such as the architectural billing index and the Dodge Momentum Index turning upward throughout the year. Although the index followed an erratic pattern in 2021, overall, the momentum index increased 23%, the strongest yearly gains since 2005. Both commercial and institutional components of the momentum index had similar gains with their levels of activity reaching 13 and 14 year highs respectively. Although 2021 growth in indices was impressive, recent monthly declines in December and January are indicative of general COVID disruption impacting the industry. While the improvements of the indices provide a measure of confidence, feedback from our clients provides more reliable confidence that our chosen markets are sound. Large healthcare projects typically involve a long timeline from concept to a complete operational facility. And we believe that based on the number of opportunities we see in the pipeline, the fundamental need for new facilities has not changed. Our district offices are engaged in pursuits of all sizes from small, medium, and large expansions to new greenfield facilities. Phase one awards for design and scheduling services have gone well, leading to confidence in future awards for phase two construction services. High-tech data centers remain a major focus for many of our district offices with notable opportunities for our subsidiaries Sturgeon Electric in Arizona, Nevada, and Colorado. Trusted relationships with long-standing clients lead to early engagement many times before the project hits the open market. The nation's increasing demand for computing power, data security, and e-commerce should continue to provide significant opportunity in 2022 and beyond. Clean energy projects continue to provide ample opportunity for continued growth in the majority of our C&I districts. This is especially true for CSI Electric, where solar projects are in the planning phase. In addition, electric vehicle or EV charging stations continue to be a hot topic in the industry with dealerships across the nation grappling with the need to modernize their facilities. This burgeoning need to dramatically increase power capacity and communication networks will continue gaining momentum as the nation's businesses turn their attention toward an all-electric and autonomous fleet. To conclude, the performance achieved by our employees throughout a unique and challenging year was admirable. Their continued dedication and outstanding efforts provided consistent results while improving the services we provide in numerous ways. As the headwinds from the pandemic continue to fade, our efforts to strengthen our capabilities are expected to provide greater opportunity for years to come. Thanks everyone for your time today. I'll now turn the call back to Richard to provide us with some closing comments.

Richard Swartz, CEO

Thank you for those updates, Betty, Tod, and Jeffrey. Our fourth-quarter and full-year 2021 performance demonstrates the strength of our business strategies and operations. MYR Group is recognized as a leading partner in our industry, which provides us the foundation to capture new opportunities, grow our business, and provide our clients with outstanding value. We are encouraged by the numerous opportunities the market holds in both of our segments. Our success in 2021 is the result of our dedicated and talented team from coast-to-coast, whom I would like to sincerely thank. I would also like to extend a thank you to our clients for their continued trust and to our stockholders for your ongoing support. I look forward to working with all of you to continue our success in 2022 and beyond. Operator, we're now ready to open the call up for your comments and questions.

Operator, Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, if you have a question or comment at this time, please press the star key followed by the digit one. If your question has been answered or you wish to remove yourself from the queue, you may press the pound key. Again, if you have a question or comment at this time, please press the star key followed by the digit one.

Alex Dwyer, Analyst

Hi. This is Alex Dwyer on for Sean. Thanks for taking our questions.

Richard Swartz, CEO

Good morning.

Betty Johnson, CFO

Good morning.

Alex Dwyer, Analyst

Can you give us an update on the large Solar EPC project that was awarded to CSI in October? I think you had previously said this is expected to start mid-year and ramp in the back half of the year. But I'm just wondering if there's any risk to that timeline given what's going on with the solar supply chain. And then also given the contract is lump sum, is there any cost risks around inflation?

Richard Swartz, CEO

The project is currently progressing as planned. So far, the supply chain has not impacted it, and we have been able to account for certain components as the project evolves. Therefore, we don't see significant risks on that front. However, as we approach the project execution phase, there is always a possibility that permitting could cause delays, as everything has to be finalized as we move forward. That is the only factor that could push things back. From a material growth perspective, we have not observed any impacts at this time.

Alex Dwyer, Analyst

Got it. And staying on C&I, can you give us an update on the lower-margin C&I projects rolling off, and when do those complete? And is there anything in the portfolio that we should have in our notes that could prevent MYR Group from achieving at least the midpoint of the 4% to 6% range this year?

Richard Swartz, CEO

We've been operating on the lower end of expectations. I believe, and Jeffrey can add to this shortly, that the typical COVID impacts have not significantly affected our Transmission and Distribution business because those crews are working independently outdoors. However, on the Commercial and Industrial side, while we haven't faced major project delays, there has been some coordination challenges that have arisen. COVID-related supply chain issues or delays experienced by subcontractors, particularly in acquiring steel and other materials, could extend project timelines, which in turn slightly affects our revenue. Fortunately, we haven't encountered any major write-downs, but there could be some added impact depending on the timing of individual projects. As for our lower-margin projects that are winding down, we expect most of them to wrap up by the beginning of the second half of this year. Overall, we still see strong activity in the market. Jeffrey, would you like to add anything?

Jeffrey Waneka, COO, C&I

Richard, I think you answered it well. There's clearly been some minor impact through the whole COVID pandemic. We do see some of those hopefully easing, as we said in the script, for the latter half of the year, but there's a lot to be determined there still.

Alex Dwyer, Analyst

Thanks for the help. I'll get back in the queue.

Richard Swartz, CEO

Okay. Thank you.

Operator, Operator

Our next question or comment comes from the line of Noelle Dilts from Stifel Financial Corp. Your line is open.

Noelle Dilts, Analyst

Hi, guys. Thanks for taking my questions. Starting, I missed this, but could you talk about to what extent we should think about the margin profile of Powerline Plus? And could you also discuss just how you're thinking about M&A for 2022 and your appetite at this point. Thanks.

Richard Swartz, CEO

I'll start with M&A, and then I'll let Betty cover a little bit on Powerline. I think we've been, for the last few years, or the last five, six years, we've been actively pursuing acquisitions. For us, we don't have to do an acquisition. We've been growing our business nicely from an organic standpoint. We want to do acquisitions, but again, we're going to be patient. We're going to find that right fit. We're going to make sure the culture is right and it's going to be additive to our business. So again, we're patient, but we're very interested in doing acquisitions. Betty, you want to cover the Powerline side a little bit?

Betty Johnson, CFO

Excluding any of the amortizations that would be a one-time first year amortization of intangibles for backlog, the Powerline Plus would be in the typical T&D margins on the upper end of our ranges solidly for overall for their normal ongoing business. For the amortization, hence the comment about not being accretive in 2022. Once that goes away, they will have typical contributions for the T&D business.

Noelle Dilts, Analyst

Thank you. Could you discuss if you are experiencing any challenges in retaining labor in the T&D sector, where employees might be switching jobs frequently? Are you taking any measures to address this issue?

Richard Swartz, CEO

Tod, you want to take this?

Tod Cooper, COO, T&D

Yeah, I'll take that, Richard. I think it does exist, you're right. There's a tremendous amount of need for what's going on with the drivers being so positive in the marketplace. And I think that one of the benefits that we've seen or we've had over the years is our ability of being a nationwide contractor to move employees and not have any downside with those employees. It's competitive out there right now, but a majority of our projects, being in that three to six-month range with the exception of some of the medium-sized and large-sized projects, we're able to price in what it takes to be competitive as well as make sure that our employees are satisfied. But I don't want anyone to think that it's not something we work on constantly. Recruiting employee retention are two big drivers for us, and that's why our focus on safety and training is so important. Our employees really appreciate that, and it sounds to curb some of that jumping around from contractor to contractor, at least for us.

Noelle Dilts, Analyst

Thanks. That's very helpful.

Operator, Operator

Thank you. Our next question or comment comes from the line of Brian Russo from SIDOTI & Company. Your line is open.

Brian Russo, Analyst

Hi. Good morning?

Richard Swartz, CEO

Morning.

Betty Johnson, CFO

Good morning.

Brian Russo, Analyst

You mentioned a new transmission project award worth parts of $150 million. Can you provide details on which region of the country this is located in? Additionally, could you share your thoughts on the MISO situation and the MTEP 21 forecast predicting nearly $30 billion in transmission investments by 2039? How are you positioned competitively in that market?

Tod Cooper, COO, T&D

I'll start, Richard, on that. The project is in the Eastern half of the U.S. with one of our traditionally strong customers. We're excited about that opportunity. It gives us the ability to continue forward and springboard off the projects we've been completing in the region. As far as the MISO situation, we continue to monitor that. We're working with developers in the region and utilities as well to track upcoming projects and where things are going. It's not a fast-moving process at this point in time, but there are certainly opportunities out there that we see could come to fruition here in the next couple of years.

Richard Swartz, CEO

On my side, I think that just adds to the resiliency of the market and the overall future of the markets we play in. And we see it as a very positive thing going forward. So again, it's additive to what we do.

Brian Russo, Analyst

Okay, great. And then to switch to the C&I side. You mentioned COVID restrictions that will linger through the first half of 2022. Are you also referring to any supply chain issues or labor availability or raw material inflation, or is that a separate headwind from the general COVID restrictions and limited work time, etc. that we've seen over the past few years? Is that separate from any inflationary pressures or raw material issues?

Jeffrey Waneka, COO, C&I

These are primarily supply chain issues resulting from the initial impact of COVID. The teams are effectively managing the challenges that arise. We are mindful to incorporate these factors into our contracts. However, there are minor issues affecting our general contractors and other project team members that pose challenges for us. We are handling these well, but we anticipate that such issues may persist due to the recent and significant wave of disruptions.

Brian Russo, Analyst

Got it. Okay. And then just lastly on the transmission and distribution margins. So it looks like you ended the year or for the full year about 10.2% on the operating margin, and it's been above 10% for both Q2 through Q4. And I'm just wondering, is the mix of business evolving toward now you are kind of a sustainable level with the high end of that 7% to 10.5% margin target?

Richard Swartz, CEO

We've set our goals there. Since we set that to be on the upper end, we see the market very strong. One thing we have had to our advantage in previous quarters, and we always highlighted it, was very good weather. I think if you look at current and a little bit into the end of the last quarter, we probably had a little more normalized weather than what it's been. So when I look at that side, I would say our goal is to operate or exceed those upper ends of those margins. But again, we adjusted those margins to that 10.5 upper level about halfway through last year and we're not upping that at this point because we've got to take in the normal conditions of weather and everything else that could impact us. But, again, our goal is to operate on the upper end of that.

Brian Russo, Analyst

Okay. And then just one more question. We've seen some larger scale type acquisitions over the last six to nine months, entirely solely focused on utility scale transmission and distribution and in markets. And I'm just curious, what are your competitive advantages as smaller players get absorbed by larger players in terms of bidding on projects, and anything you could add on that side?

Richard Swartz, CEO

Well, for us, there's not many projects of any size that we can't go after. So we're very competitive and we're set up to do either small, medium, or large size projects as we always have. Our competitive advantages are that we're a pure-play electrical contractor. We know this industry well. We know the people well. We operate on a regional basis across the company, so we're bidding on everything our regional presence, and when you have that, you know what it takes because the productivity in one area in New York isn't the same as it is in Kansas, isn't the same as it is in California, nor in varied conditions. For us, this is a competitive advantage, but it's also something that helps us understand and determine our cost models. Making sure we're estimating to understand our cost and then putting a fair margin on it. If somebody wants to come in and substantially underbid us, we pretty much know what it takes to do work in those areas. We don't look at anything as a must-win project. We just consider how is it additive to our business, how does it make sense to do it profitably. So with those things taken into consideration, if somebody wants to take a project lower, they're going to do it. But long term, our clients were there for the support, we understand the business and we're going to continue to grow and extend our business.

Brian Russo, Analyst

Okay, great. Thank you very much.

Betty Johnson, CFO

Thank you, Brian.

Operator, Operator

Thank you. Again, ladies and gentlemen, if you have a question comment at this time, please press the star key followed by the digit one. If your question has been answered or you wish to remove yourself from the queue, you may press the pound key. Again, if you have a question or comment at this time, please press the star key followed by the digit one.

Jonathan Braatz, Analyst

Good morning, everyone.

Richard Swartz, CEO

Good morning.

Jonathan Braatz, Analyst

Betty, is there an opportunity as we look through this year for some SG&A leverage, or do you see the spending rising in concert with revenues?

Betty Johnson, CFO

I believe that the overall leverage in terms of percentage will remain fairly consistent, even as the business grows. The increase is minimal, and it won't affect our SG&A percentage by reducing it.

Jonathan Braatz, Analyst

Yes. Okay. Maybe Richard or Tod, if you could talk a little bit about what the opportunities at Powerline might be in terms of additional talent services that you can bring to that company to expand their revenue base.

Richard Swartz, CEO

Tod, you want to take that?

Tod Cooper, COO, T&D

Sure, Richard. Right now with the acquisition just taking place in January, we are focused on the cultural alignment, which is pretty strong right now and working hard to get things in place to move forward. Immediately, there's a tremendous opportunity with their existing clients to grow the business there and obviously from the equipment perspective and infusion of that capital with them and supporting them on some technology and additional training programs that we have. We feel that there's some efficiencies we can gain there. But ultimately, the goal is to expand their presence. They are a heavy utility contractor. They do a lot of underground and overhead construction in the Toronto region, which lends to the possibility of other capabilities and expansions into the other types of work that we do. Without a doubt, we're going to keep them within the core capabilities that we have and they have as well, and ultimately try to grow their business outside of that Toronto region and throughout Ontario.

Richard Swartz, CEO

And their client base, their current or existing client base is strong and has some good growth potential. So when we look at that side and we talk to their customers out there, there is good room for expansion in the future.

Jonathan Braatz, Analyst

Okay. And it sounds like they're mostly commercial. The client base is mostly commercial?

Richard Swartz, CEO

No.

Tod Cooper, COO, T&D

No, they're utility.

Jonathan Braatz, Analyst

Okay. All right. Thank you so much.

Richard Swartz, CEO

Okay. Thank you.

Operator, Operator

Thank you. Our next question or comment comes from the line of Justin Hauke from Robert W. Baird & Co. Your line is open.

Justin Hauke, Analyst

Hi. Good morning. So Betty, I guess I just wanted to quantify a little bit more on the Powerline Plus intangible amortization because you guys are unique in the fact that you report GAAP and your competitors add backs that intangible amortization. So, the question is, first that expense will be running through the segment line correct in T&D and then maybe if you can just quantify numerically how much incremental amortization there is, and maybe how much of an impact in basis points that have on T&D margin?

Betty Johnson, CFO

That is correct. And we do put our amortization in the segment margin, the dollar amounts as much as we don't segregate that from that perspective. You will see them in the cash flow statements. So you will see whatever the increase is since our base to those. Amortization is stable from last year's in prior acquisitions; the dollar amount I can't tell you. I can't disclose that at this point in time, but it's something that's, I guess significant enough that you'd take their take it to not be accretive almost to breakeven and T&D, and about $80 million business running at T&D margins that I was stating earlier. Our assumption right now is that the first year, but we haven't done all of our modeling, which as you could appreciate is only two months into this, we haven't finalized the very final amortization, but our estimates are that it will probably close that gap to almost a break-even in the first year.

Justin Hauke, Analyst

Okay. So if we assume $80 million in revenue with a 10% margin, that could result in around $8 million of additional amortization in that segment.

Betty Johnson, CFO

It could be that or even on the higher side, but yes.

Justin Hauke, Analyst

Yeah. That's helpful. And I guess just my last question.

Betty Johnson, CFO

Just capital expenditures being slightly higher than it has been in the last year or so from the growth in the business.

Justin Hauke, Analyst

Yes. Thank you very much.

Operator, Operator

Thank you. I'm sure no additional questions in the queue at this time, I'd like to turn the conference back over to Mr. Richard Swartz for any closing remarks.

Richard Swartz, CEO

To conclude on behalf of Betty, Tod, Jeffrey, and myself. I sincerely thank you for joining us on the call today. I don't have anything further, and we look forward to working with you going forward and speaking with you again on our next conference call. Until then, stay safe.

Operator, Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for participating in today's conference. This concludes the program. You may now disconnect. Everyone, have a wonderful day.