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And good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining us for Powell Industries conference call today to review fiscal year 2026 second quarter results. With me on the call are Brett Cope, Powell's chairman and CEO, and Mike Metcalf, Powell's CFO. There will be a replay of today's call, and it will be available via webcast by going to the company's website, powellind.com, or a telephonic replay will be available until May 12th. The information on how to access the replay was provided in yesterday's earnings release. Please note that the information reported on this call speaks only as of today, May 5, 2026, and therefore you are advised that any time-sensitive information may no longer be accurate at the time of replay listening or transcript reading. This conference call includes certain statements, including statements related to the company's expectations of its future operating results that may be considered forward-looking statements within the meeting of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Investors are cautioned that such forward-looking statements involve risks and uncertainties and that actual results may differ materially from those projected in these forward-looking statements. These risks and uncertainties include, but are not limited to, competition and competitive pressures, sensitivity to general economic and industry conditions, international, political, and economic risks, availability and price of raw materials, and execution of business strategies. For more information, please refer to the company's filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission. With that, I'll turn the call over to Brett.
Thank you, Ryan, and good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining us today to review Powell's fiscal 2026 second quarter results. I will make a few comments and then turn the call over to Mike for more financial commentary before we take your questions. The Powell team delivered another solid quarter of operational efficiency and order growth. as the momentum we experienced at the start of our fiscal year continued through the second quarter. Activity levels across each of our core end markets remained healthy, with notable strength in the quarter from liquefied natural gas projects, a mix of electric utility distribution and generation projects, and also data center projects within our commercial and other industrial market sector. Revenue in the quarter grew a steady 6% compared to the prior year and continued solid project execution across the company, delivered a gross margin of 29.6%. We recorded $490 million of new orders in the quarter, bringing our mid-year total to nearly $1 billion in new awards. I would also note that our order book in the quarter continued to be very well balanced across the markets in which we compete. During the quarter, we were awarded two mega projects, one for a data center and a second for an electric utility generation project. Each of these projects are in excess of $75 million in value. The balance of the order book in the quarter was comprised of a higher number of small and medium-sized projects. Our backlog now sits at $1.8 billion, 12% higher than the prior quarter and 33% higher than one year ago. The growth in our backlog now provides visibility well into our fiscal 2028. The composition remains healthy with a mix of projects of varying sizes that will help maximize productivity across our manufacturing plants. As of quarter end, the electric utility market represented 30% of our total backlog, while the oil and gas market, excluding petrochemical, and the commercial and other industrial markets each accounted for 29%. The diversification of the business in the electric utility market and more recent expansion of our commercial and other industrial market, anchored by a demand driver from data centers, are contributing to reduced cyclicality in the business, allowing us to plan beyond the current cycle and invest more broadly alongside our customers with greater visibility. At the same time, our outlook for our core oil and gas market remains strong. We are in the initial phase of a multi-year build-out of LNG export capacity. We believe the structural cost and competitive advantages possessed by U.S.-based exporters has been elevated by the risk of multi-year-long capacity impairments across the international markets and the need for importers to diversify and replace those volumes. We are also cautiously optimistic that the petrochemical market is in the early stages of a cyclical inflection after several years of lower activity levels. We are seeing some activity in the gas to chemicals market and are further encouraged by recent upward price revisions within the global polyethylene market. I'd like to take a moment to mention a commercial development that took place subsequent to quarter end. I am very pleased to share that Powell was awarded a mega project for the first phase of a new Greenfield Data Center. the scope of this award is in support of a behind-the-meter design for the first phase of a planned multi-phased campus this project award is in excess of four hundred million dollars this project now marks the largest project award in Paul's history this award is a testament to our employees our culture and the entire Paul team across the company as we assembled a multi-division multi-country execution plan to meet the demanding timeline on this project. To that end, recent order trends, our market outlook, and our continued organic product development continue to support prudent additions in manufacturing capacity. Last quarter, we signed a lease for incremental space located near our Ohio facility. This past quarter, we leased office space in the Houston metro area, which will serve as a second satellite engineering center. This center complements our initial satellite engineering office that we announced and opened last year. This second center is geographically located to further enhance our ability to add critical members to our world-class electrical and mechanical engineering and design teams. In response to the growth of our backlog, we are evaluating a smaller lease facility of approximately 50,000 square feet near our Moseley campus. This space would help support a new eight million dollar investment in fabrication equipment for short-term rapid expansion of our metal fabrication capacity. We have previously shared our efforts to evaluate a larger investment in a facility that would require 70 to 100 million dollars of capital and provide upwards of an additional 250 to 300,000 square feet of factory capacity. While we continue this assessment, we are currently evaluating complementary options for bridging between short-term requirements via a leased facility versus a somewhat longer-term option of a greenfield facility build-out. We are being very thoughtful throughout this process and expect a decision within the next few quarters. Meanwhile, the expansion of our Jacinto port facility is progressing on schedule. This incremental 335,000 square foot of capacity will be critical to ensuring our ability to support all of our end markets, but specifically by providing our oil and gas customers with a premier domestic facility to produce engineer-to-order power distribution solutions for both on and near-shore projects, as well as continued support for offshore applications. operationally our teams across our facilities are rising to meet the challenge of accelerating growth we remain disciplined on the commitments we have made to our customers while staying focused on continuous improvement and driving incremental efficiencies throughout every step of our operations as noted earlier in my comments around the recent large data center award Paul has a market-leading strength that is inherent in our people and internal collaboration. When our teams across our North American facilities come together, we are able to leverage our substantial footprint to tackle large challenges, either for a single project or a broad step up in market demand as we are currently experiencing. Critically important to our growth and future needs, I would also like to call out the increased efforts of our strategic sourcing and supply chain teams. It is essential that our team engages our partners to both broaden and deepen those relationships and optimize our supply chain and support of our future growth. On the M&A front, we continue to evaluate a growing pipeline of inorganic opportunities that complement our organic initiatives and better position us within key markets. Candidates include complementary products and or capabilities to our current portfolio or oriented toward building out our services franchise. Along these lines, our recent acquisition of REMSDAQ continues to progress well and has quickly proven synergistic and accretive across the company. Lastly, pursuant to our ongoing efforts to build a stronger, more diversified business, we have recently begun investing in resources to build a wider funnel of government-related work, including U.S. military and defense applications. These are markets with secular, long-term growth drivers that typically carry recurring revenue profiles, which would be conducive to growing our services franchise. We are in the early days of this effort, but believe our U.S.-centric supply chain, operations, and workforce leave us well-positioned to play a critical role within the markets that support our national security and defense. On a related note, we'd like to briefly commend the White House's recent presidential determination under Section 303 of the Defense Production Act, which formally designated both substations and switchgear, among other electrical products and their upstream supply chains, as essential to national defense. Ensuring the domestic production of critical electrical gear is essential to America's ability to deploy large-scale grid infrastructure, and the Presidential Memorandum authorizes the Department of Energy to expedite procedural requirements and immediately deploy federal capital to expand domestic grid manufacturing capacity. In summary, we remain very pleased with our financial performance for the first half of the year and are encouraged by the commercial dynamics that we continue to see across the markets we serve. With that, I'd like to turn the call over to Mike to walk us through our financial results in greater detail.
Thank you, Brett, and good morning, everyone. In the second quarter of fiscal 2026, we reported total revenue of $297 million compared to $279 million, or 6% higher versus the same period in fiscal 2025. New orders booked in the second fiscal quarter of 2026 were $490 million, which was nearly double the orders booked in the same period one year ago, and included two mega orders, each with an order value exceeding $75 million. The first mega order reflects the largest utility order that the business has ever recorded and is for a large generation facility in the eastern United States. The second mega-order in the quarter for medium-voltage electrical distribution equipment is destined for a data center in the central United States. As a result of the strong commercial activity across our key end markets, the book-to-bill ratio for both the second quarter as well as the first half of fiscal 2026 is 1.7 times. The continued momentum across all end markets, particularly domestically, and the resulting orders volume in the second fiscal quarter elevated our backlog to $1.8 billion, a 33% increase or $438 million higher versus the same period one year ago, and $189 million higher sequentially. The composition of our backlog continues to diversify, with our core industrial end markets across petrochemical and oil and gas representing 33% of the total backlog, while the electric utility and commercial and other industrial markets represent 30% and 29% of the $1.8 billion of backlog, respectively. As Brett mentioned, in early April, after the close of our second fiscal quarter, the business secured a mega order in the data center end market with a value in excess of $400 million. This order value is not reflected in either the orders or backlog numbers for the second fiscal quarter of 2026 and will be included in our fiscal third quarter reported numbers. Turning to revenue, compared to the second quarter of fiscal 2025, domestic revenues were higher by $4 million, or 2%, while international revenues were up by $14 million to $64 million, primarily driven by the offshore projects that are being executed in the Far East and Africa, as well as an uptick in project volume across our UK operation. From a market sector perspective, revenues increased 35% in the commercial and other industrial market versus the second quarter of fiscal 2025, while the electric utility and the oil and gas markets increased 14 percent and 11 percent, respectively. Offsetting these increases, the petrochemical market declined by 37 percent versus the same period one year ago on the softness across this end market over the past several quarters, while the light rail traction power market was lower by 10% on relatively light volume as a percentage of the total business revenue. Gross profit increased by $5 million to $88 million in the second fiscal quarter of 2026 versus the same period one year ago. Gross profit as a percentage of revenue was slightly lower by 30 basis points to 29.6% of revenue versus the same period a year ago, and was 120 basis points higher sequentially. Margin rates exiting backlog continued to benefit from strong execution and volume leverage across all of the Powell divisions, with favorable project closeouts contributing roughly 90 basis points of margin tailwind in the second fiscal quarter of 2026. General and administrative expenses were $26 million in the current period, an increase of $4 million compared to the same period a year ago, primarily driven by higher compensation expenses across the business. SG&A has a percentage of revenue increased by 90 basis points year-over-year to 8.7% in the current fiscal quarter, but declined sequentially by 130 basis points, reflecting a higher revenue base in the second quarter of fiscal 2026. In the second quarter of fiscal 2026, we reported net income of $45.9 million, generating $1.25 per diluted share, compared to net income of $46.3 million, or $1.27 per diluted share in the second quarter of fiscal 2025. On April 2nd, 2026, the company effected a three-for-one forward split of its common stock and proportionally increased the number of shares of authorized common stock from 30 million to 90 million shares. Each shareholder received two additional shares for every one share held on the March 20, 2026 record date. The shares of common stock retain a par value of one cent per share. Trading began on a split-adjusted basis at market open on April 6, 2026. Share and per-share amounts disclosed have been retroactively adjusted to reflect the stock split. During the second quarter of fiscal 2026, we generated $51 million of operating cash flow, principally driven by higher earnings generated in the second fiscal quarter. Investments in property, plant, and equipment in the fiscal second quarter totaled $1.8 million, reflecting modest capital spending on equipment maintenance and production assets as well as capital expenditures related to the Jacinto Port expansion project. The majority of the 12 to 13 million dollars planned investment to upgrade the Jacinto Port fabrication yard is expected to be incurred during the second half of fiscal 2026. At March 31st, 2026, we had cash and short-term investments of $545 million compared to $476 million at the September 30th, 2025, and $501 million at December 31st, 2025. The company does not hold any debt. Looking forward as we move into the second half of fiscal 2026, we remain encouraged by sustained commercial activity across our core end markets. Coupled with our continued focus on execution, our ability to leverage volume across our global manufacturing footprint, and the size and quality of our backlog, Powell is well-positioned to deliver strong cash flows and earnings performance for the remainder of fiscal 2026. At this point, we'll be happy to answer your questions.
Thank you. We will now begin the question answer session. To ask a question, we are star and one on your telephone keypad. If you're using a speakerphone, please pick up your handset before pressing the keys. If at any time your question has been addressed and you would like to withdraw your question, please press star and then two. At this time, you'll pause momentarily to assemble a roster. We have the first question on the line of Tomo Sano from J.B. Morgan. Please
go ahead. Hi. Good morning, everyone. Congrats on a quarter. Hey, Tomo. Good morning. Good morning, Tomo. Thank you. And given the strong 419 million in orders booked in Q2, and then with the addition of the 400 million plus data center orders, how should we think about your order outlook for Q3 and beyond? And also in light of this growth, and how do you plan to manage the associated increases in SG&A and R&D expenses, please?
Tom, I'll take the first part of that, have Mike jump in on the SG&A side. The outlook is strong. Activity entering Q3 here, there's no let up. Just as the prepared comments, we start at the beginning of the year, Q1 flowing into Q2. We feel good about all three of our core drivers, and the commercial and other industrial, which is really blossoming over the last two years. oil and gas, which we're built for, very solid outlook, and I love the utility space. And so we are hunting hard in that space with this, you know, it's always been the distribution side, but now with the uptick in generation, that's business that we want as well. So the capacity adds that we're doing, the incremental so far, the larger one that's under evaluation, you know, the data center order and prepared comments was a team effort. It has roughly a two-year burn. It'll run through the end of fiscal 28, and, you know, as we typically share on the calls, we're very thoughtful about our schedules, and we feel good about how it lays in across all of our facilities and meeting the commitments we've made on that job. So I feel pretty good as we sit here. On the cost side, we are making some investments in the business. We've largely invested in some of the strategic pillars that you find on the investor slides, especially around service and automation. On the heels of the acquisition of REMSDAQ, we've added resources in the States to start expanding that business along with some of the synergistic ads we found in the data center market in the short term, but we're still progressing our medium and long-term plans that align with the reason we bought the business to begin with, which was to expand in the utility market.
Good morning, Tomo. This is Mike. With respect to SG&A costs, they continue to trend in the upper single digits as a percentage of revenues as we invest in some of these new programs that Brett alluded to. The increase on a year-over-year basis really is driven by higher base and, to a lesser extent, variable incentive compensation expenses in the first half, in addition to the REMSTAC acquisition. Remember, for the first half last year, we didn't have REMSTAC in the numbers. This year, we do. But as we focus on growing the business organically and standing up some of these new capacity ads to address the market demand, well, in addition to that, investing in new initiatives such as the government initiative that Brett talked about in his prepared comments, these are both investments that we're making in SG&A from a people and infrastructure perspective that we feel will, you know, generate a positive return as we look forward. And you asked about R&D as well. R&D is trending higher. We view that as a favorable attribute. We finished the quarter about 1.4% of revenues. And you can expect this to probably hold in that range between 1% and 1.5% as the team ramps up the organic initiatives to develop and commercialize new products.
Thank you, Brad and Mike. And just one follow-up, if I may. Your strong core engineering capabilities and along with execution strengths such as the ETO and KISS systems, we think it's have clearly earned the customer trust. But how would you view the evolving competitive landscape, given increasing demand and expanding supply? What steps are you taking to maintain your competitive edge?
It has become much more competitive the last couple of years. A lot of new entrants, some new private equity money coming in and trying to build up some new models. You know, slightly different than what we do, but everybody's playing in the same general area. And, you know, Powell, we take pride in the fact that we have a long, tenured group, a very family approach in the way we compete. And, you know, in the prepared comments, we are adding a second center here in Houston to attract additional talent to the team. We think that will prove fruitful here in the next couple quarters. We're also re-engaging some of our offshore centers, expanding their capability, doing some training and investing there to ensure that we have options that are offshore as well. And then sort of buried within the whole model, Tomo, is in the data center and discrete commercial markets. We've talked in the last couple calls about, you know, what will the engineering load of this mean to power, this cycle that is going to be a lot more product-centric. And we're still early innings, but we're starting to see that around the company. So Mike and I just finished up our spring operational tours where we go around all the plants. And I can share that, again, very early innings, but it looks to be that we are seeing some nice engineering efficiency on these large jobs in the data center market, which will reduce the burden and allow us to make some adjustments in how we allocate our resources going forward on these different segments. So that's an encouraging sign that we suspected, and I'm starting to see some early returns to that thesis.
Thank you very much.
Thank you. We have the next question. We'll line up Chip Moore from Roth Capital. Please go ahead.
Hey, thanks for taking the question. Hey, everybody. Maybe a follow-up on that $400 million-plus order you got in April. Fantastic. I guess, you know, is that all outside or is this, you know, some inside the four walls as well? And then, you know, you mentioned first phase. Talk about potential for additional phases. Maybe start there.
Hey, Chip. Yeah, fantastic opportunity. The other comment I'd share is it's an opportunity like, as you've gotten to know our model, when you get in earlier and given our strong engineering capability and our ability to work with our clients and really affect a great solution regardless of the market, that's exactly what this was. We were brought in early on a behind the meter. It's not a simple job where they're generating on site. There's some complexity around that. Again, that fits us very well. It is all outside the data center, the initial award. It's sizable. It's a couple of gigawatts initial phase. And then there are multiple plan phases that we're anxious to see if that progresses over time. Certainly hopeful that it will. And it is in the neocloud space. I'd show that as well. So I think we'll get a shot at the internal side of the data center on this one. No guarantee sitting here today, but we're certainly going to do everything we can to put our best foot forward as this evolves now that we're on the early phases of this. So we're certainly following that commercially and see if we can get that over the line. Excellent. And Brett, maybe two more on
that one. Just margin implications, given it's such a large order, and then the timeline being pretty quick. Just how are you thinking about any execution risks there, and how are you going to
manage that? Yeah. I think the margin potential fits with the comments made a little bit today in earlier calls. I definitely believe there's opportunity in here as we unlock our product-centric models as they develop across the company. You know, there's a lot of, once you do the initial design, it's a multi-product. It's actually quite wide-reaching to the different products that we offer at Powell. A mix of voltages, quite a bit of 15 kV, a lot of 38, both primary switch gear as well as secondary switches that we produce here, along with the cable bus products on Chicago. So it actually touches just about every division in the company in the North American footprint. And that's on the prepared comments, the comment we put together. And so I think for each one of the divisions, we'll unlock some potential as we ramp up the volumes. And then on a time frame, it is. It's not like it's $400 million over the next five years. It's a two, two and a half year build out because we were able to used this incredible footprint that we have in the company. It was really a team effort. We came together and kind of broke the order apart. We've done that in the past on other jobs. I go all the way back to Hurricane Harvey, where we talked on the call back then about a job that came in, and the client needed it really quick. That's a super exciting competitive advantage that Powell has, I believe, unlike others, where our footprint is so similar from factory to factory with Metal Fab and our processes that we can lever that in times of need or market demand like we're seeing now. So that is absolutely what we've done here and super excited to have been, have earned the award and anxious to really make, make it a success. And, and as you noted, see, see the
additional phases in the future years. Excellent. And if I could sneak one last one in, you know, just, just around capacity, you did a good job sort of outlining where you're going and in the potential to grow capacity, but just, you know, given strength across all your markets, really, and the data center in particular, if you were to see similarly sized opportunities, what's your ability to meet those as they come along? Thanks. Yeah, we're definitely reacting,
thus the comments and the prepared remarks. Along any job, when we evaluate schedule, we look at everything all the way down to supply chain. And so, again, also noted that in the prepared remarks. So, we are clearly adding short-term capacity here in Houston, especially around that which we can control the metal fab side we noted in the comments also about while the organic build continues we are clearly looking at a pivot in the near term to maybe add a larger lease space it's a little bit more efficient there's a lot of a lot of builds in different locales including here in Houston and some other commercial centers in North America where things are already there and with with minimal modification we can get them more productive quicker so I think that you know if and when the next one comes we could follow the same model and the constraints would be people and supply chain which you know neither of those is easily done lock but we would attack it with the same vigor that we attack this one Mike and I are very involved in the supply chain side and the whole team we last couple quarters have gone out to really understand it much better to ensure that as we make our schedules on our proposals and we make our firm commitments that we're backed on supply chain so we don't have the myth there. And as long as we can unlock that, it'll come back to just attracting talent and getting them trained into the power model to execute. So that would be the number one concern moving forward. Very good. Appreciate all the color. I will
hop back. Thank you. Thanks. Thank you. We have the next question. We're line of Manish Somaya from Canto. Please go ahead. Yes, thank you. Good morning. My first question
is on pricing power. Brett and Mike, you talked quite a bit about strong markets, but in your commentary you mentioned pricing is stable, broadly keeping in line with inflation. Why aren't we getting more pricing if the markets are as strong as they are?
We're getting some price, Manish, for sure. In certain product areas that have become constrained in the demand and supply curve, We are absolutely moving up price incrementally in those markets, you know, across all three verticals. When you look at how we're competing in the oil and gas industrial market, utility market, we're very sensitive to, you know, where you can push price and where you need to sort of hold your ground. So we are pushing price. I think we'll start between that and the efficiency gain, you know, as we start to build our plans for 27 and beyond. We'll get a good feel in Q4. I don't think it will come out so much in the numbers in Q4, just kind of thinking forward. But internally, we'll start to see it. I kind of go back to the earlier question on our offer views where I was given the answer, going around and looking at the efficiency that we're building into there. I think that will come out as price, and we'll be able to better report on it as we hit the end of this fiscal and then prepare into 27. So kind of noted that a little bit over the last couple of calls, and I think we'll be able to quantify it a little bit better as we get through the next quarter or two in the company and give you a better report as to what that is.
My other question pertains to you guys taking on larger, more complex projects. How should we think about the cadence for margins going forward? And then more specifically, on the $400 million plus award for the data center, You know, was that a solo award? And how does that kind of change your perspective on the TAM for Powell when it comes to data center market? And, you know, what percentage of market share, you know, is reasonable that you can achieve in that?
Well, those questions in my mind go together because on this particular job, you know, one of the things we talk about is we really do well on the complex story problem. And this one is, it has a degree of complexity that we hadn't seen in some of the other data center jobs that we've been building our market segment on. And so when we got involved early on this one, there is a really unique complexity on the behind-the-meter design that's akin to a power island that we might see on an industrial facility or, you know, even an offshore platform where you're generating and distributing load locally. And these behind-the-meter ones clearly have that. They have a higher degree of complexity around the gear. They have a higher degree of complexity around the automation. And it fits us very well. So I'd say the TAM on a behind-the-meter is going up for Powell, say, beyond a straight utility connect. We're interested in both. It's not that we won't pursue both models, but the behind-the-meter opportunity for Powell clearly going up with this complexity equation. So depending on how they're generating, whether it's a mix of resources or renewable, there's a whole bunch of ideas out there that we're seeing come across the commercial front. I'd say our excitement for that potential is growing.
And, Brett, just on that, the $400 million award that you got post the quarter end, Was that a solo contract or was that split?
No, one purchase order.
Okay, great. Thank you so much.
You bet.
Thank you. We have the next question on the line of Alex Regil from Texas Capital. Please go ahead.
Just a main insight. I'm here first. Backlog is a percentage of total by market. Can you provide that once again?
Yeah, sure, Alex. This is Mike. So as we deconstruct the backlog segmentation for Q2, roughly 5% was petrochem, 29% was oil and gas, 30% is utility, 6% is traction, and 29% is commercial and other industrial, which includes the data center, which is in the low 20s of that 29. And then, you know, the rest is other.
Very helpful. And then as you look at the data center market more broadly, how many customers are you working for right now? And how many customers are you talking to right now? And, you know, you can obviously generalize there, but trying to get a sense of how broad your sales effort is into that segment.
Hey, Alex, Brett, it's becoming, you know, every quarter more and more broad. If you go back a couple years ago when we were 7% of the backlog and 15, 22, and now jumping next couple quarters, it started through different channels and what I'll call indirect channels, through distribution or through partners, where we were getting a piece of the scope, not really getting a look at the whole opportunity, whether that's on the outside of the data center or yet inside the data center. So it started in that manner. Over the last couple of years, we've been adding resources, front-end S-cost, folks from the industry to help us better understand how to attack that market more thoughtfully, and that is clearly having a return to the company. And so today, fast forward, we still have that indirect OEM and partner model, which has grown, but clearly driving our own direct destiny where we're getting in earlier and having direct conversations with the contractor or even the ultimate end client or a combination of the two. And that is starting to grow. And so we like both channels to market, and we'll continue to thoughtfully invest where it makes sense in all those channels to support the broader build-out of the market.
Thank you.
Thank you. We have the next question. We'll line up, John Frenzeb from Sidoti and Company. Please go ahead.
Hi, guys, and thanks for taking the questions. I'm actually curious about how you're handling the spike in metal prices in 2026, and how does that impact the gross margin profile on a go-forward basis?
Hi, good morning, John. This is Mike. I'll take that question. So we are very proactive with our metals, specifically copper, as you know, we use a lot of copper, and we do have a hedging program for copper to essentially acts as an insurance policy to protect the margins that we have in backlogs. So that's the biggest piece. We stay on top of steel, aluminum as well, but we're pretty proactive with the supply chain for those core commitments.
And I think in the prepared comments you said something about small to mid-sized projects or a net benefit in the quarter? Can you just maybe drill down a little bit of what's going on there?
Hey, John Sprett, morning. Yeah, we had two sizable jobs that we noted in the comment, one from the data center, the other data center job that we logged in the quarter pre-close of March, and then the utility job, which I don't want to lose sight of. I love the utility business. But when you look at the balance, and you know our model well, When we get that nice mix of having those anchor jobs in the backlog, but then being able to put different size jobs, you know, the small zero to $10 million job, and then the next step up, sort of the 10 to 50 is the way I think about it, having those given the cycle of a project build really is advantageous for the PAL model in that we bring the project in, we schedule it, and we know that they're going to be stopping hold points throughout its cycle, given the different size of the job. It gives us leverage to move the crews in and around it. So when we lose that mix, it creates another pressure in the business to manage through the P&L of each of our factory locations. But that really healthy bulk of small and mediums that just came in, Q2, and again is continuing in commercial activity as we look forward, is very healthy, very encouraging for how we think about planning the business. So we wanted to call that out.
No, certainly. And is it running above that $50 million threshold, Brett, or no?
No, no. I mean, the normal cadence of potential out there going forward in terms of those jobs that are larger than 50. So, you know, what we've kind of – you know, I think I kind of started picking up a year, year and a half ago. We said – we shared that there'd be – you know, there's still a healthy mix across all of our core markets just that the timing would be suspect. No change to those comments. There's still a healthy mix of those out there. There's the timing of them.
Thank you, Brett. Everything else has been addressed. Appreciate it.
Thank you. We have the next question. We're going to join Brett from Kansas City Capitol. Please go ahead.
Good morning, Brett, Mike. Brett, I just want to touch base. Obviously, the outlook is very strong, and you're considering a, you know, potential expansion of $70 to $100 million. And I guess given the outlook and what you're seeing, what do you need to see more before you make that – for you to make that commitment? You know, it seems – the business obviously seems very good. It seems like you could go ahead with it. But what else might you need to make that commitment?
John, not too much more. Mike and I have got a board in a couple weeks. We've been talking to the board the last couple quarters about it. So, you know, we had, as I noted, we had with the active quarter and with the commercial activity maintaining, clearly we had to react on some of the short-term needs, unlock some needs. He's maybe not optimal, if I were completely honest, but absolutely going to get a good return and needed. And so I think we're just about there and being able to support not only the market activity, but even don't want to lose sight of our intentionality on our strategic builds, which is why we called out some of the stuff on the service side. So that team is maturing, just to kind of call it out. They're doing a great job building some sub-strategies within that growth strategy of ours. And they're getting more confident with their sub-strategies. And that adds into the options A, B, and C for the next big chunky space.
So if we think about it, and let's say in three or four months you would go ahead and make that decision, What kind of timeline would it be to get something like this constructed and up and going? And what might be the revenue capacity or potential of such a new manufacturing space?
So a greenfield is probably going to run us conservatively two years. The actual build time is less, but the variable is always the permit. So that's one of the reasons we, given the rapid growth, that we may bridge that with a similar-sized lease facility and have to outlay some capital for the cranes and things we would need around the different various things we might do in that facility over a three- to five-year lease term while the other facility is being built. So that's our thinking today. If we go the lease route, still some permitting because no facility is purpose-built. You know, you get the shell and you still got to do some things to it. So, you know, we'd still see revenues quicker. We'd move inventory to that space, get the cranes, and you'd probably be looking at productive capacity within six months. Total revenue of such a facility, it's going to scale. You know, again, it depends on the mix of service and projects and products that we ultimately put into that. But you can run $100 million to $250 million.
Have you had to turn down any orders at this point?
I wouldn't say we're turning anything down. Are we able to meet the schedules of everything coming in the door? The answer to that is no. You know, we have a really broad funnel. We've expanded our process around that funnel with the growing commercial and industrial segment and the growing resources there, the growing capacity. You know, the team play, as we noted today, has become much more prevalent day in and week out here at the company, which has been fantastic to see the company come together and the team really work across their functional areas, across the geographies and across the facility. So we're unlocking every little bit of opportunity, which has been fantastic to see. So, no, we're not able to respond positively to all the opportunities, but where we always strive to, if we can't hit exactly what they ask when they come in the door, is engage them on sequencing and constructability of their site and are the things that we can do to work together. And so those conversations, given our model, are also pretty effective at trying to reach a good solution for both the client and for Powell.
Okay. Thank you, Brett.
Yep. Thanks, John.
Thank you. This concludes our question-answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Brett Cope, the CEO, for any closing remarks.
Thank you, Myron. I would close with Mike and I just thanking everyone for joining us this morning. We're very encouraged by the commercial strength we're seeing across each of our core and markets and continue to expect another strong year for Powell. I'd like to thank the entire Powell team for their hard work and commitment to both Powell and, of course, to our customers. Mike and I look forward to updating you all next quarter.
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