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Earnings Call Transcript

Ryanair Holdings PLC (RYAAY)

Earnings Call Transcript 2019-12-31 For: 2019-12-31
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Earnings Call Transcript - RYAAY Q3 2020

Michael O'Leary, Group CEO

Good morning, ladies and gentlemen. You're welcome to the Ryanair Q3 Results Presentation. I am Michael O'Leary, I am the Group CEO, and I'm joined this morning by Neil Sorahan, our Group CFO. You will see the strong Q3 numbers we published this morning on the ryanair.com website. We reported a Q3 net profit of €88 million, up from a Q3 loss in the prior year. We’ll take that as a win and we’re going to roll through the slide presentation, which will move to now. So, as you can see Ryanair's remains Europe’s favorite airline group. We have the lowest cost, we have the lowest fares of any airline operating across Europe. We’re number one in traffic, 154 million guests, up 8%, number one for coverage. Lower growth is driving slightly higher fares, both this winter and we think that trend will continue into the summer of 2020. EU airline failures and the sales reorganizations are accelerating. We’ve seen that trend over the winter period. Ryanair's proud to be Europe’s greenest, cleanest airline, and we're about to invest upwards of €20 billion in the fleet of new Boeing aircraft which will significantly increase the number of passengers we carry per flight by reducing fuel consumption. Ryanair is and remains the lowest cost operator in Europe and we will be the structural winner. This slide is familiar to everybody. It sets out our 82 bases, 241 airports, and I would draw your attention that in summer of 2020 we have new routes in Katowice in Poland, Zadar in Croatia, and a new country in Armenia. In total, we'll have opened 111 new routes this summer. We continue and commit ourselves to offering Europe’s lowest airfares, which is why other airlines, our competitors can't compete with Ryanair's prices, nor can they compete with our costs. Other airline chains have lower costs on some RASM or CASM basis; it’s simply not true. If you look and compare us on a unit cost basis per passenger excluding fuel, we beat everybody. We’re significantly cheaper, for example, than easyJet, on airports and handling, about one-third of their costs. And in aircraft ownership, we’re significantly cheaper than Wizz. In total, however, our unit costs ex-fuel are more than 34% lower than our nearest competitor, which enables Ryanair to continue to grow, offering lower fares than any other airline and sustaining those low fares. Neil, the results?

Neil Sorahan, Group CFO

Yes. Q3 showed a strong performance. Guests were up 6% to 36 million customers. Revenue per passenger performed strongly, a 13% improvement, thanks to strong close-in bookings on Christmas and New Year. We saw a 9% increase in average fare. Our priority boarding and reserved seating continue to drive a strong performance in our ancillary revenues, which were up 21%. Unit costs, despite the fact that we haven’t had any MAXes in our fleet, were only 1% higher in the quarter. And as Mike already said, we recorded a profit of €88 million in the quarter, which compares with a loss of €66 million in the prior year. Interestingly, our earnings per share is tracking ahead of that, thanks to the buybacks that we’ve been doing over the past year.

Michael O'Leary, Group CEO

Turning to current developments, the MAX-200s are experiencing delays. Boeing has indicated that they expect the grounded MAX to return to service in June, while certification for the MAX-200s will take at least two months longer. As a result, we are reducing our summer 2020 schedule and removing the 10 MAX aircraft we anticipated receiving. This will lead to slightly lower growth next year, but it should improve our airfare competitiveness this summer. We are maintaining our cost leadership. Even without the 55 MAX aircraft this winter, we’ve shown strong unit cost discipline, with only a 1% increase. We expect slower capacity growth from Ryanair and our competitors, combined with higher fuel prices, to drive ongoing consolidation in the industry, as evidenced by the failures of Thomas Cook and Adria among others. We foresee some increased loan losses due to the price competition with Lufthansa subsidiaries in the German and Austrian markets, where they appear to be selling below cost, but we remain the lowest cost operator and will continue to compete on pricing. We're making notable strides in environmental initiatives and are pleased to announce the appointment of our first Director of Sustainability, who will focus on achieving our ambitious environmental goals. Out of the €700 million share buyback program, we've completed €440 million, with around €260 million remaining, and we anticipate extending this program to complete it by the end of July. In early January, we raised our full-year guidance from €800 million to €900 million, with a new range set at €950 million to €1.05 billion. Regarding the MAX update, we have 210 aircraft on order which will now arrive later than expected, affecting our FY21 growth. We are projecting a decrease from 162 million to about 156 million over the next year, with most of the growth coming from the additional A320s at Lauda, which has led to some regrettable base closures this winter due to limited capacity. Bases in Gran Canaria, Belfast, Hamburg, Las Palmas, Nuremberg, Stockholm Skavsta, and Tenerife South have closed. We have paused our payments to Boeing until we receive clarity on the MAX delivery schedule. Despite the current challenges, we regard the MAX as an excellent aircraft that carries more passengers with lower fuel consumption. Our pilots have had positive experiences in the simulators and are confident in the aircraft's performance. The delay in deliveries has pushed our guest target of 200 million to FY25 or FY26. Consolidations in the market are continuing, highlighted by recent airline failures, with several airlines currently for sale or receiving state aid. Additionally, we are observing cutbacks from various carriers. The losses at Lauda have risen slightly this winter from €80 million to €90 million, primarily due to lower than anticipated average fares amid price competition. This year, Lauda serviced approximately 6.5 million guests, which we expect to grow to around 10 million in the next year, with an increase in our fleet from 23 to 36 aircraft, mainly in Vienna, and the opening of a fifth base in Zadar. Hence, we expect losses to increase as we make these long-term investments. The Lauda management team is undertaking a detailed cost review and implementing cost-cutting measures that we believe will extend into next summer. In terms of our environmental efforts, we are the first EU airline to publish our monthly CO2 emissions and have appointed a Director of Sustainability to fulfill our ambitious targets. We are one of Europe’s greenest airlines, enabling passengers switching from higher fare legacy airlines to potentially reduce their emissions by up to 50%. We aim to further cut emissions by an additional 10% over the next decade, much of which will come from the upcoming Boeing MAX aircraft deliveries. We are committed to being plastic-free within five years and have already achieved 60% plastic-free status in our operations. Starting this summer, we will increase voluntary carbon offsets from €1 to €2 per flight. Although this doesn't completely offset our carbon emissions, it allows customers who wish to contribute to carbon offsetting to do so. We are on the verge of receiving 210 new Boeing 737 aircraft, which will help reduce our fuel consumption and noise emissions, while accommodating 4% more passengers. Neil, would you like to discuss the guidance?

Neil Sorahan, Group CFO

I will, Michael. Thank you. So, as guided to the market on the 10th of January, we expect processing a new range of €0.95 billion or €1.05 billion. There are moving parts in there. We would see our guests traffic increase by 8% or 154 million. Revenue per passenger, thanks to the strong performance on ancillaries and slightly better than expected average fares, will be up approximately somewhere between 3% and 4%. Unit costs, ex-fuel will be up just 2%, and that’s with MAXes in the base this year. Our fuel bill at current spot prices will be somewhere in the region of about €440 million higher than last year. So, a good performance for the year. This of course, as is always the case, is very much dependent on close-in bookings for the rest of the quarter in the absence of security events. Before anybody asks, we won't be giving any guidance this morning. We will give it on a full year in May.

Michael O'Leary, Group CEO

Okay. Now, we will open it for question and answers.

Unidentified Analyst, Analyst

Revenue per passenger was up 13% in Q3. Why?

Michael O'Leary, Group CEO

We had stronger close-in bookings over the Christmas and New Year holiday period at higher than expected airfares. Average fares in the third quarter were up 9%. That was supplemented by a very strong performance in ancillary revenues, which were up 21%, largely as a result of the success of our priority boarding and assigned seating services.

Unidentified Analyst, Analyst

Will the ancillary performance continue in Q4?

Neil Sorahan, Group CFO

We expect to continue to perform well, but they won't be growing as fast as they were in the prior quarter. We’ve now annualized the bag policy that we brought in November ‘18 that we annualized in November, but we will anticipate that we continue to grow ahead of traffic growth. We're working now hard on our Labs on the likes of personalization, increasing conversion and revenue.

Unidentified Analyst, Analyst

How did fares perform in Q4?

Michael O'Leary, Group CEO

Bookings are currently about 1% higher than they were on the same day last year, thanks to moderately better than expected air fares. However, we need to be cautious because last year's fourth quarter had particularly weak comparisons, and we expect that trend to continue. Additionally, we do not anticipate any impact from Easter at the end of March.

Unidentified Analyst, Analyst

Is the yield improvement of Ryanair specific over an improving environment?

Neil Sorahan, Group CFO

It’s a combination of the two. Clearly the capacity coming out of the market has been helpful. We've seen a number of consolidations and failures. And of course, the MAX deliveries haven't made their way into Europe over the course of the last year into our fleet. We've taken a number of steps ourselves to reduce on the performing bases and routes over the winter. And we're also seeing the benefit of the new 10 kg bag product that was introduced last year in the scheduled revenue numbers.

Unidentified Analyst, Analyst

Are there any new developments from Labs?

Michael O'Leary, Group CEO

The Labs successfully rolled out the new digital platform in November. We've seen that continue to deliver superior conversion on some of the optional customer services like priority boarding and reserve seating. Labs are now focused on increasing personalization, particularly ancillary offers to guests. Car rental became our new car hire partner in late 2019, and we believe they will help to grow revenues strongly in the car segment over the next three years.

Unidentified Analyst, Analyst

How did the cost perform in Q3?

Neil Sorahan, Group CFO

We performed relatively well. We experienced a 1% rise in unit costs excluding fuel, mainly due to ongoing increases in pilot pay. Additionally, there has been a slowdown in resignations and an improvement in crew ratios as a result of the MAX aircraft not being delivered. The MAX has also negatively affected our maintenance costs since we have been operating our aircraft for longer periods, necessitating more frequent shop visits. On a positive note, the efforts of our operations and engineering teams over the past few years have significantly enhanced on-time performance, which is now above 90% when excluding air traffic control delays. This improvement has led to better outcomes in our AU261 compensation, thanks to the new handling arrangements at Stansted, Poland, and Spain.

Unidentified Analyst, Analyst

Any update on your fuel hedging?

Michael O'Leary, Group CEO

Yes. As you know, we're 90% hedged in the current year to the end of March 2020 at about $71 per barrel. We took advantage of the recent dip in prices. So, we now can announce that we're 90% hedged for FY21 at just over $60 per barrel.

Unidentified Analyst, Analyst

Are you seeing any customer reaction to the environmental focus recently?

Neil Sorahan, Group CFO

Yes. Flights are fully booked; the load factor is about 96%, which is over 1% better booked than we were at this time last year. I think a big element of this is people realizing that they can halve their CO2 emissions by switching from the legacy carriers to Ryanair. We have the lowest CO2 per passenger kilometer of any airline in Europe and indeed, more of our customers, over 3% of them, are now opting for the voluntary carbon offsets, with a particularly high percentage share of our German customers doing so.

Unidentified Analyst, Analyst

You've appointed a Director of Sustainability in December. What will he do and how did it go?

Michael O'Leary, Group CEO

Yes. His primary task, immediate task, is going to be improving fuel efficiency and to develop sustainable aviation fuel supplies into the future. He's also charged on a monthly basis with reporting on our ambitious emissions green initiatives that we set out in our 2019 environmental policy document, which has the full support of the Board of Ryanair Holdings plc.

Unidentified Analyst, Analyst

Is there any update on the environmental side?

Neil Sorahan, Group CFO

Well, the French tax has already come in, in January. The German APD, which is an 80% increase, comes in, in April of this year. I think an opportunity is being missed here to reflect and reward high-performing airlines like ourselves with high load factors and a young fleet with relatively low fuel burn instead of exempting connecting traffic for legacy carriers, which tends to burn more fuel. I think a lot of people miss the fact that Ryanair customers are paying over 11% of their ticket price in aviation taxes already, which is about €630 million on an annualized basis. This is a big opportunity here; aviation accounts for 2% of CO2 in Europe, which compares to about 6% for shipping. But, there's a big opportunity here to encourage airlines like ourselves to invest in new technology, like the MAX, which has 16% lower fuel burn rather than exempting connecting traffic and effectively giving subsidies to legacy carriers.

Unidentified Analyst, Analyst

How are the equipment airlines developing?

Michael O'Leary, Group CEO

They're developing strongly. This summer, Lauda will expand its fleet to 36 aircraft and will open a new base in Zadar. Bose in Poland will increase its fleet to over 50 aircraft, with 7 dedicated to the Polish charter market. The remainder will be operating our sub-services for Ryanair at most of our Central Eastern European bases. Air Malta is also experiencing significant growth; it is set to take over the majority of Ryanair's bases in Italy, Germany, and France, and will grow its fleet to nearly 100 aircraft by summer 2020.

Unidentified Analyst, Analyst

Would you consider M&A?

Neil Sorahan, Group CFO

It wouldn’t be the first thing on our list. We plan to grow organically over the next few years with 210 aircraft coming into the fleet, and that's what we do well. That said, I think there will be opportunities where there’s competition overlap, as more airlines either go out of business or consolidate over the next number of months and years. We already have a process in Italy where Alitalia is up for sale, TAP in Portugal, and recently we’ve seen Ernest Airlines in Italy go out of business. So, there will be opportunities but we will primarily grow organically.

Unidentified Analyst, Analyst

Michael, the other airline CEOs now in situ, what’s your day-to-day focus?

Michael O'Leary, Group CEO

Particularly, my focus is in four key areas. One, management development, getting the new airline management teams in place and working well; two, driving cost efficiencies and recharging the group with delivering on cost-cutting initiatives; the timing and delivery of the MAX aircraft and our Boeing relationship; and recently back from Chicago where I met the new team in Boeing and forcing capital allocation going forward on where should the aircraft and the capital best be invested and who can deliver at the lowest costs and most efficient prices.

Unidentified Analyst, Analyst

Is there any update on MAX aircraft?

Neil Sorahan, Group CFO

Well, it looks now as if it will be the middle of the year before the MAX returns to service, which for us sadly means we won’t see any MAX fleet this summer. We're looking at least September or October before we take delivery of the aircraft, which means we’re looking at a 2% increase in traffic this year, which should be delivered primarily from our Airbus fleet.

Unidentified Analyst, Analyst

Boeing have closed the 737 MAX production line. Will this impact your long-term growth?

Michael O'Leary, Group CEO

We can postpone it. There are two main points to consider. First, we are currently 12 months behind our original delivery timeline. We had anticipated having 55 aircraft in our fleet by the summer of 2020, but that will not happen. It seems likely that this will delay our delivery schedule with Boeing by at least another 12 months. We hope to receive the 55 aircraft by the summer of 2021, with some scheduled for 2022, 2023, and 2024. At the earliest, we will need to push back our plans to achieve 200 million passengers per year by at least 12 months, possibly up to 24 months. As a result, we will now aim for either fiscal year 2025 or 2026.

Unidentified Analyst, Analyst

You’ve closed bases as you reduce, is there room for more focus?

Neil Sorahan, Group CFO

It can never be ruled out.

Unidentified Analyst, Analyst

How quickly can you take MAX deliveries when the aircraft is all ready?

Michael O'Leary, Group CEO

We can take them reasonably quickly because we’re one of the few areas that has its own Boeing MAX simulators. But, the challenge for us, we've never taken more than eight aircraft at a moment before. That’s really the maximum number of aircraft we were going to take. And so, I think we can plan on taking 8 deliveries a month and no more than 50 aircraft in time for the next summer peak. So, I think it's reasonable. We're working on a plan now, with 50 aircraft for summer ‘21, and 50 for summer of ‘22 and thereafter.

Unidentified Analyst, Analyst

How are talks with Boeing going?

Michael O'Leary, Group CEO

They are going well. As said, we’ve been to Chicago to meet the new management team. Our focus there is to get the Boeing MAX back into service as quickly as possible, hopefully by the end of June of this year; then to certify the MAX-200s, which are the stretched versions that we take delivery of. And we would hope to take the first deliveries of those in September, October of this year. That is more than sufficient time for us to take 50 aircraft for the summer 2021. We are having discussions then with Boeing both on the pricing of those aircraft and also on Boeing reimbursing Ryanair, our costs and losses for these delayed deliveries. And those discussions continue. But, they can't really be finalized until we have a revised delivery schedule that's real and credible.

Unidentified Analyst, Analyst

What is the impact of IFRS 16 lease accounting standard on your balance sheet in Q3?

Neil Sorahan, Group CFO

It was fairly modest for Ryanair, only 6% of our fleet is leased at this point in time. So, the impact at the end of the quarter was €230 million for net debt. But, our net debt having taken the impact of IFRS 16 and €330 million for share buybacks was just €700 million at the end of the quarter.

Unidentified Analyst, Analyst

What is your CapEx guidance for FY20 and FY21?

Michael O'Leary, Group CEO

It's very difficult to be certain on the CapEx guidance at the moment until we have some degree of certainty regarding the MAX delivery program. Clearly, we have postponed all PDP payments because of the delays. Clearly, those PDP will restart once we have a schedule of deliveries, which we hope will start as early as September, October this year. Then, we'll update the market at that point in time with an up-to-date view or outlook on our CapEx over the next number of years.

Neil Sorahan, Group CFO

Yes. I think that's fair, and we're probably going to be key on CapEx over the next 12 to 18 months. But, we would give you more color on that in May.

Unidentified Analyst, Analyst

How's the buyback progressing?

Neil Sorahan, Group CFO

It's going well. We're at about €440 million in terms of buyback at this point in time. However, as we wait for firm delivery schedules on the MAX and as we start to focus on repaying debt, particularly our first bonds in 2021, we think we'll slow down the buyback program. So, this will roll out to the end of July, and then we'll start to focus on debt with an opportunity over the next 18 months to pay down about €1.3 billion of debt, which will strengthen our balance sheet and take some of the more expensive interest off the P&L at about a 2% interest rate. So, that again, would be positive for the numbers coming through.

Unidentified Analyst, Analyst

Can you update on FY20 guidance?

Neil Sorahan, Group CFO

Yes. We guided on the 10th of January. So, we expect our profit after tax seeing the new range now at €0.95 billion to €1.05 billion. Based on current trading, we're probably somewhere close to the middle of that range. Traffic will grow by about 8% and 154 million guests. Our fuel bill would be up about €440 million on a full-year basis. Unit costs, ex-fuel will be up just 2%, despite the fact that we haven't taken delivery of any MAXes yet. And so, depending on where close-in bookings end up, we think revenue driven by the strong ancillaries will be up somewhere between 3% and 4% on a full-year basis. And this, as always, is predicated on 1% of ancillary market.

Unidentified Analyst, Analyst

Can you provide any guidance for FY21?

Michael O'Leary, Group CEO

No, it's still too early to provide guidance for FY21. We're currently finalizing the budget and hope to complete that in the next month or two. However, it's very subject to change based on the outcome of the MAX delivery discussions. We aim to update the market during the full-year results in May, but that will depend significantly on when we take delivery of the MAX aircraft and how many we can acquire in the financial year ending March 2021. Thank you.

Neil Sorahan, Group CFO

Welcome.