Earnings Call Transcript

SEACOAST BANKING CORP OF FLORIDA (SBCF)

Earnings Call Transcript 2021-09-30 For: 2021-09-30
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Earnings Call Transcript - SBCF Q3 2021

Operator, Operator

Welcome to the Seacoast Banking Corporation's Third Quarter twenty twenty-one Earnings Conference Call. My name is John, I'll be your operator for today's call. Before we begin, I have been asked to direct your attention to the statement contained at the end of the company's press release regarding forward-looking statements. Seacoast will be discussing issues that constitute forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Securities and Exchange Act and its comments today are intended to be covered within the meaning of that act. Please note that this conference is being recorded. And I will now turn the call over to Chuck Shaffer, President and CEO of Seacoast Bank. Mr. Shaffer, you may begin.

Chuck Shaffer, President & CEO

Thank you, John, and thank you all for joining us this morning. As we provide our comments, we'll reference the third quarter twenty twenty-one earnings slide deck, which can be found at seacoastbanking.com. With me this morning is Tracey Dexter, Chief Financial Officer; and Jeff Lee, Chief Digital Officer. The Seacoast team generated strong operating performance during the quarter, growing tangible book value per share, thirteen percent from the prior year to seventeen point five two dollars. The adjusted efficiency ratio was fifty-one point five percent, modestly better than our previous guidance. And adjusted pre-tax pre-provision earnings improved to forty-three point three million dollars, up from thirty-seven point eight million dollars in the prior quarter. There is noise in the quarter, the result of closing the Legacy Bank transaction and negotiating and announcing the Sabal Palm Bank and Florida Business Bank transactions. When you look past the day-one provisioning for Legacy Bank and one-time expenses, net interest income and non-interest income were better than consensus estimates, and adjusted non-interest expense was in line with guidance. The driver of the decline in GAAP earnings, quarter-over-quarter, was solely attributable to booking the day-one provision for loan losses associated with the acquisition of the Legacy Bank portfolio as compared with a reversal in the provision in the prior quarter, and one-time merger-related expenses associated with all three transactions. Looking more deeply at the Legacy Bank transaction, it's clear this transaction was one of our better transactions completed to date. The balance sheet was larger than modeled at close, and this transaction had near-zero tangible book value dilution, strong earnings accretion, and bolted on some of the best micro markets in South Florida, including Boca Raton, Delray Beach, and Pompano Beach. Lastly, with Dennis Bedley, Marcia Snyder's leadership, the Legacy Bank team continued to produce at very strong levels through close, and the team has had a considerable pipeline of new business at Seacoast already. The Florida economy continues to expand with inbound population growth, driven by low taxes, a business-friendly environment, and a post-pandemic work-from-anywhere economy. Corporate relocations continue to occur with many organizations bringing large portions of their staff to Florida. This solid economic backdrop of population growth combined with the significant recruiting activity that ramped up materially a year ago has contributed to the increase in commercial loan production and resulted in an increase in the pipeline. When analyzing the change in loan outstandings quarter-over-quarter, there are a lot of moving parts. To help understand these dynamics, we included a table on page eleven of the slide deck, which provides growth by category. The table breaks out organic growth by removing the loans acquired from Legacy Bank and wholesale purchase pools. If you focus on the commercial banking line items, you will see growth in total commercial outstandings starting to emerge. In aggregate, the commercial portfolio grew twenty-six million dollars from the prior quarter, or a three percent annualized growth rate. This growth includes the offsetting impact of a number of payoffs in the commercial land development category during the quarter. I believe this table demonstrates the underlying positive dynamic starting to show up in the balance sheet. Our strategic focus of expanding commercial banking capability in terms of bankers and technology is working, and we are only focused on acquiring and expanding value-creating relationships as this strategy delivers growth and franchise value in risk-appropriate segments. Also, the pipeline showed significant progress in the quarter, with the late-stage pipeline increasing forty percent from the same time, one year ago as disclosed. The early-stage pipeline now exceeds one billion dollars, a record number. This growth is coming from a combination of C&I and CRE, with nearly sixty percent of the volume year-to-date considered C&I, including owner-occupied commercial real estate, and forty percent investor commercial real estate. Notably, approximately thirty percent of our commercial bankers joined in the last twelve months and it takes time for bankers to begin to ramp up production. This group contributed only eleven percent of the volume this year, indicating there is much more upside on production ahead. Lastly, there is a material opportunity to continue to add to our commercial banking team in the coming quarters as our story, tools, and process resonate with bankers who want to join a growing and dynamic enterprise. We recently announced additional leadership hiring in the Naples and Northeast Florida markets and expect to begin building commercial banking focus teams in these markets in the coming year. We have a record pipeline of high-quality talent ready to exit larger banks for something more exciting. When you put all this together, it provides a level of confidence that loan growth is emerging and pre-pandemic growth levels are in near reach. We are targeting mid-single-digit organic loan growth in Q4 and high single-digit loan growth in twenty twenty-two. I would also like to reiterate that despite the pressure the excess liquidity is putting on the net interest margin across the industry, we will not waver from our strict credit underwriting standards and we will focus on disciplined growth with appropriate risk-adjusted returns. Our asset quality metrics remained strong, with NPL and NPA ratios moving favorably quarter-over-quarter. And we are pleased with the credit portfolio's performance and continue to see no material issues on the horizon. And to conclude, the company recorded another quarter of impressive performance, generating disciplined growth and franchise value. Our fundamentals remain very strong with a well-capitalized, low-risk fortress balance sheet, strict underwriting standards, and an attractive customer franchise, well-positioned for growth. Our goal remains to continue increasing market share in the robust Florida marketplace in a disciplined manner by focusing on growing value-creating relationships, improving digital customer experiences, and driving greater productivity across the franchise. With the robust growth and transformation occurring in Florida, we believe our plan of consolidating market share across the state will drive significant value for shareholders over time. We are excited about the future ahead, excited about our momentum across the state. And I'll turn the call over to Tracey to walk through the financial results.

Tracey Dexter, Chief Financial Officer

Thank you, Chuck. Good morning, everyone. Directing your attention to third-quarter results, beginning with slide five. On a GAAP basis, net income was twenty-two point nine million dollars, and on an adjusted basis, which excludes merger-related and other isolated charges, net income was twenty-nine point four million dollars. The decline from the prior quarter in adjusted earnings reflects an increase in the provision for loan losses that is due to the day-one impact of the Legacy Bank acquisition. Pre-tax pre-provision adjusted earnings were forty-three point nine million dollars, an increase of six point one million dollars or sixteen percent from the second quarter, and an increase of seven point five million dollars or twenty-one percent from the prior-year quarter. We continue to deliver steadily increasing tangible book value per share, which ended the period at seventeen point five two, an increase of thirteen percent from the same time last year. Organic loan production is increasing with commercial loan originations increasing to three hundred and thirty-two million dollars from one hundred and ninety-three million dollars in the second quarter, and eighty-eight million dollars, this time last year. The late-stage commercial pipeline is also very strong at a record three hundred sixty-nine million dollars. We continue to see strong asset quality trends with the ratio of non-performing loans declining to zero point five five percent. Cost of deposits remains in the single digits as we continue to monitor the competitive landscape and adjust rates accordingly. Transaction account balances continue to grow, and excluding Legacy Bank, increased sixty-five million dollars or five point five percent annualized during the quarter. A strong quarter for non-interest income with another record for wealth management and a new record in SBA saleable gains. The acquisition of Legacy Bank was completed in August and the third-quarter results reflect all associated costs and purchase accounting adjustments, including goodwill of approximately thirty-one million dollars. The acquisition impacted third-quarter results in non-interest expense with cost of approximately six million dollars, and in the provision for loan losses, where the day-one impact was eight point two million dollars. And lastly, during the quarter we announced the Sabal Palm and Florida Business Bank acquisitions, which will close in January twenty twenty-two. Turning to slide six. Net interest income on a fully tax-equivalent basis was higher by five point five million dollars or eight percent in the third quarter, and the net interest margin declined by only one basis point to three point two percent. Net interest income includes higher interest and fees on loans, primarily due to growth in the loan portfolio, where ending loan balances excluding PPP, increased six hundred and forty-two million dollars during the quarter. Net interest income also includes the benefit of higher fees on PPP loans. You'll recall that when those loans are forgiven, we accelerate the recognition of fees that otherwise would have been spread over the life of the loan. The Seacoast team processed two hundred and seventeen million dollars in forgiveness this quarter, and we recognized five point nine million dollars in PPP interest and fees. Excluding PPP, yields in the core loan portfolio declined seven basis points to four point two nine percent, with elevated payoffs and continuing declines in rates. In the securities portfolio, we've continued to pace our investments of excess liquidity, adding a net two hundred and fifty-six million dollars, and the growth in the securities portfolio contributed to higher securities interest income. Yields in the securities portfolio declined four basis points to one point five nine percent. Offsetting and favorable is continued improvement in the cost of deposits, which dropped to seven basis points in the third quarter as we continue to monitor the competitive landscape and adjust rates, accordingly, including for the newly acquired Legacy Bank deposits. Overall, net interest margin dropped only one basis point from three point two three percent to three point two two percent. Excluding PPP and accretion on acquired loans, which introduced significant variability, net interest margin was in line with forecast expectations, declining from three point zero three percent to three point eight nine percent. Looking ahead to the fourth quarter, we expect the cost of deposits to remain in the high single digits. We expect that there will continue to be downward pressure on loan and securities' yields in the fourth quarter, given the continuing effect of excess liquidity and lower add-on yields, and therefore, continued modest downward pressure on net interest margin. Our modeling suggests that the fourth quarter may represent the lower bound for net interest margin, assuming the current forward rate curve and with loan growth we expect the margin to begin improving in twenty twenty-two. Moving to slide seven. Adjusted non-interest income, which excludes securities gains and losses was nineteen point one million dollars, higher by three point seven million dollars or twenty-four percent from the previous quarter, and an increase of two point one million dollars or twelve percent from the prior year quarter. As you can see in the results, we continue to focus on driving non-interest income. The wealth management team continues to deliver strong growth and successful relationship expansion and revenue during the quarter increased to two point six million dollars. We remain very focused on building the wealth management business given its high return on capital and the value it adds to our commercial relationships. In our mortgage banking business, as expected, revenue is lower on lower refinancing demand and tight housing inventory levels. However, the pipeline has stabilized, and this team will continue to contribute meaningful results by continuing to capitalize on low interest rates and on the strong Florida housing market. We expect mortgage banking gains in the fourth quarter to be in line with the third quarter and results for twenty twenty-two will be dependent on rates and housing inventory levels in Florida. Our SBA team has delivered outstanding results this quarter, generating record gains of zero point eight million dollars as non-PPP opportunities return. We're focused on building this business in the coming year and expect continued improvements in this line item in twenty twenty-two. Also, we expanded our position in bank-owned life insurance, both through purchases and through the Legacy Bank acquisition. BOLI purchase late in the second quarter for the tax-equivalent first-year yield of four point five percent contributed to the increase in BOLI income during the quarter. Finally, meaningfully contributing to non-interest this quarter was a gain of three million dollars on one of our SBIC investments. Income from these investments can vary widely among periods. Looking ahead, we expect overall non-interest income in the fourth quarter in a range of approximately sixteen million dollars to seventeen million dollars as we continue to focus on growing our broad base of revenue sources. Moving to slide eight. Adjusted non-interest expense for the third quarter was in line with the guidance we provided at forty-six point eight million dollars. Salaries and benefits expenses were higher compared to the second quarter, reflecting the addition of commercial banking talent and of the legacy bank franchise. Legal and professional fees were higher by four hundred and fifty thousand. This line item includes smaller increases across a number of areas, including related to support for technology optimization initiatives. Other expenses were higher by zero point four million dollars and include higher marketing expenses due to timing of campaigns and the one hundred thirty-three thousand day-one provision for credit losses on Legacy Bank's unfunded commitments. Looking ahead, we expect to maintain our expense discipline as we always do. We expect fourth-quarter expenses excluding the amortization of intangible assets to be in the range of forty-eight million dollars to forty-nine million dollars. The increased quarter-over-quarter is the result of the addition of the legacy bank franchise and investments we're making in commercial banking talent. Looking forward to twenty twenty-two, we expect expenses to reflect the full impact of the additions of Legacy Bank, Florida Business Bank, and Sabal Palm Bank along with commercial banking talent, expansion into Jacksonville and Naples, and enhancements in digital technology for our customers. We believe these investments support sustainable growth in the coming years and position the company to take advantage of the unique growing economy in Florida. This results in a twenty twenty-two efficiency ratio target below fifty-five percent for the full year with the ratio trending down throughout the year and exiting twenty twenty-two near fifty percent. Higher results early in the year are due to the expense seasonality associated with the first quarter and timing of expenses associated with investments. Moving to slide nine. The adjusted efficiency ratio in the third quarter decreased to fifty-one point five percent and reflects higher net interest income and higher non-interest income compared to the prior quarter, partially offset by higher non-interest expense. Reiterating the guidance we've provided in the last several quarters, we continue to expect the full year twenty twenty-one efficiency ratio to be below fifty-five percent. Turning to slide ten. Loan balances excluding PPP are higher by thirteen percent from the prior quarter. That increase includes organic growth in commercial categories, loan pool purchases and the legacy bank acquisition, offset by declines in consumer mortgage banking and construction and land development loans. Commercial growth is a highlight as Florida's economic recovery is now well established and recent talent additions and investments in technology position us well as loan demand is returning. We're very encouraged by the commercial pipeline, which has increased materially from the start of the year. We're very encouraged by the commercial pipeline, which has increased materially from the start of the year. We continue to be vigilant and steadfast in executing our strict credit underwriting guidelines while achieving organic loan growth. Looking forward to the fourth quarter, we continue to expect organic loan growth, excluding PPP to be in the mid-single-digits for the coming quarter and expect loan growth to return to an annualized growth rate of high-single-digits in twenty twenty-two. As a reminder, the first quarter of each year is typically a seasonally slower quarter. We expect loan yields to further modestly decline in the fourth quarter with lower add-on yields, assuming no change in the rate environment and increased originations. Turning to slide eleven, highlighting loan growth in key categories. The addition of Legacy Bank during the quarter added four hundred thirty-nine million dollars of non-PPP loan balances. Wholesale purchases totaled one hundred and ninety-eight million dollars having made these investments as an alternative to additional investments in the securities portfolio. We've highlighted the commercial line items in the top green box, showing an organic increase of twenty-six million dollars in aggregate across commercial categories. This growth represents a three percent annualized growth rate in our commercial book during the quarter. We view this as a very positive indicator of the growth that's emerging as a result of our investments in commercial talent and technology over the last year. On an overall basis, excluding the Legacy Bank acquisition and wholesale purchases, loans outstanding increased by a net six million dollars during the quarter. Turning to slide twelve. The graphic shows the year-to-date summary of PPP activity. We originated two hundred fifty-six million dollars in PPP loans earlier in the year under the renewed program. We've processed six hundred seventy-five million dollars in forgiveness year-to-date, including two hundred seventeen million dollars in the third quarter, bringing principal balances of PPP loans outstanding at September thirty to one hundred ninety-one million dollars net of deferred fees. Overall, since the start of the original program, we've collected twenty-seven point six million dollars in SBA fees. Of that, we've recognized twenty-two point two million dollars life to date and have five point four million dollars in fees remaining to be recognized in future periods. We expect the majority of this remaining fee income to be fully recognized by the first quarter of twenty twenty-two. Turning to slide thirteen for the securities portfolio. We continue to invest excess liquidity at a moderate pace in the investment securities portfolio, with approximately four hundred twenty million dollars in purchases this quarter, offset by pay downs for net growth of two hundred fifty-six million dollars. Additions were largely agency guaranteed with short duration and yields of one point four two percent. And overall portfolio value declined a bit with steepening of the curve during the quarter. Somewhat offsetting and beneficial to yield was a yield maintenance provision in place on one holding that resulted in a four hundred thousand dollars benefit when the security paid down early. We'll continue to steadily pace our investments over time in bonds that have lower extension risk with shorter durations and continue to expect net additions of two hundred fifty million dollars in the fourth quarter. Turning to slide fourteen, deposits outstanding were eight point three billion dollars, an increase of four hundred ninety-eight million dollars quarter over quarter, which includes the addition in August of four hundred ninety-five million dollars from Legacy Bank. The cost of deposits has continued to decline and for the third quarter was seven basis points. Looking ahead to the fourth quarter, we expect the cost of deposits to remain in the high single digits. Transaction accounts represent fifty-nine percent of total deposits and have grown thirty percent year over year. Excluding the impact of Legacy Bank, transaction account balances increased sixty-five million dollars or five point five percent annualized during the quarter. We're pleased with the growth in deposit balances year to date despite the margin pressure. This growth demonstrates the strength of our customer franchise, growing Florida economy and our ability to win share in the marketplace. And on slide fifteen, illustrated on the chart is the deposit per branch, which stepped down only slightly this quarter to one hundred sixty-five million dollars even with the addition of net four new branches with five from Legacy Bank and one consolidation. Also, in order to manage excess liquidity and as we approach the ten billion dollars asset mark, we're using off-balance sheet deposit products through third-party programs. We expect to remain under ten billion dollars at year-end twenty twenty-one. And at September thirty, we had two hundred thirty-three million dollars in off-balance sheet deposits compared to one hundred sixteen million dollars at June thirty. Our branch optimization strategy is supported by our digital and analytics competency, which continues to provide opportunity to drive growth in operating efficiency across our retail franchise. In the last five years, we've consolidated twenty-eight percent of our physical branches. We think physical branches are extremely important to our customers. In fact, we're planning two de novo branches that will open in the coming months as part of our balanced expansion strategy in Florida's high growth markets. One is in Naples, which is located in Southwest Florida and complements our West Coast growth strategy that includes Tampa and Sarasota. The other is implantation in the dynamic Broward County market and supports our deepening presence in South Florida, which is the seventh largest MSA in the country. Moving to slide sixteen. The wealth management business continues to deliver tremendous growth with assets under management growing at a compound annual growth rate of thirty-four percent since year-end twenty nineteen. The team has done a remarkable job building a high net worth family office model and partnering with our commercial team generating value for our most profitable clients and delivering another record revenue quarter. We'll continue to invest and focus on building out wealth management as we move forward. Moving to slide seventeen and to credit topics. The allowance for loan losses increased during the quarter from eighty-one point one million dollars to eighty-seven point eight million dollars with the increase in total loan balances. In particular, we reserve on day one for the full life of loan expected losses on the Legacy Bank acquisition. At the date of acquisition, that added eleven point two million dollars to the reserve, eight point two million dollars of which is reflected in the third quarter provision. At the end of each quarter, we update our estimate for the portfolio in line with sustained indications of overall economic recovery, the allowance as a percentage of total loans, excluding PPP decreased to one point five four percent from one point six percent in the prior quarter. In addition to assigning a day one reserve on legacy bank loans, we also reported a six million dollars purchase discount on legacy bank loans, bringing the total purchase discount remaining on all bank acquisitions to twenty-six point six million dollars which will be earned as an adjustment to yield over the life of those loans. Turning to slide eighteen on asset quality. Credit measures remained strong with charge-offs, non-accrual and criticized loans at historically low levels. Net charge-offs in the third quarter were one point four million dollars or ten basis points on average loans, and the level of non-performing loans decreased to thirty-two point six million dollars, representing zero point five five percent of total loans. Criticized loans increased slightly from thirteen percent last quarter to fourteen percent of risk-based capital in the third quarter with the increase driven by the addition of a small number of legacy bank loans conservatively assigned risk ratings in these categories. All were also assigned appropriate reserves at the acquisition date. The overall allowance for credit losses at September thirty is eighty-seven point eight million dollars and allowance coverage, excluding PPP loans decreased six basis points to one point five four percent. Turning to slide nineteen, our capital position continues to be very strong and we're committed to maintaining our fortress balance sheet. Tangible book value per share is seventeen point five two dollars, an increase of thirteen percent year over year. The tangible common equity to tangible asset ratio increased to ten point six percent at the end of the third quarter and has consistently been among the highest in our peer group. The tier-one capital ratio was seventeen point seven percent and the total risk-based capital ratio was eighteen point six percent at September thirty. Return on tangible common equity was eleven point seven percent on an adjusted basis. Acknowledging our peer group leading capital levels, it's worth mentioning that if the third quarter's tangible common equity to tangible asset ratio was adjusted to an illustrative target of eight percent, our adjusted return on tangible common equity would be fifteen point three percent for the quarter and eighteen point five percent for twenty twenty-one year to date. As I mentioned earlier, the current quarter's return on tangible equity was impacted by recording the day one provision for loan losses associated with acquiring Legacy Bank. And finally, on slide twenty, looking back from the beginning of twenty seventeen to today, we've achieved a compounded annual growth rate in tangible book value per share of twelve percent, driving shareholder value creation. We've positioned this franchise with a foundation of strong liquidity and capital from which we will continue to execute on our strategic growth initiatives and optimize the opportunities of this strong Florida economy. We look forward to your questions. I'll turn the call back over to Chuck.

Chuck Shaffer, President & CEO

Thank you, Tracey. And, John, I think we're ready for Q&A.

Operator, Operator

Thank you. We'll now begin the question-and-answer session. And our first question is from David Feaster from Raymond James.

David Feaster, Analyst

Hey. Good morning, everybody.

Tracey Dexter, Chief Financial Officer

Good morning. David.

Chuck Shaffer, President & CEO

Hey, David.

David Feaster, Analyst

I just wanted to dig in maybe a bit into some of the commentary on the troughing NIM in the fourth quarter. I guess, could you maybe just walk us through some of the puts and takes with competitive yield and the liquidity deployment and the potential for earning asset mix, and just help us think about the margin as we go forward? And more importantly, the NII growth trajectory as well, it sounds like we should actually potentially see NII outpace loan growth next year, excluding PPP, if I'm thinking about that correctly?

Tracey Dexter, Chief Financial Officer

I can start with that. Thanks. So, core NIM declined fourteen basis points to two point eight nine percent in the third quarter. As we look ahead, investment securities and loan yields should continue to modestly drift down, but the cost of deposits remains in the high-single-digits. We're looking at loan add on yields that are pretty stable in the fourth quarter compared to the third quarter. On new securities yields, we would expect in a range of one point four percent to one point five percent for the fourth quarter. We also expect to continue to put to work some of the excess liquidity in the investment securities portfolio, an additional two hundred fifty million dollars there. As PPP forgiveness starts to wind down near the end of this quarter, and largely in the fourth quarter, assuming deposit growth begins to normalize, we could see core NIM modestly decline in the fourth quarter, but we do think that to lower bound, and then building back, entering twenty twenty-two. To your point, PPP forgiveness will likely have fully come off by maybe early in the first quarter of twenty twenty-two. We do, however, have that significant amount of liquidity to deploy in organic loan growth, and some opportunistic loan pool purchases to support that NII growth.

Chuck Shaffer, President & CEO

No. The only thing I'd add is, I think, David, if you're thinking about modeling, we do expect sort of quarter-to-quarter continued modest increases when you look throughout twenty twenty-two, primarily as the mix improves to loans out of cash, and we expect to invest about a net two hundred fifty million dollars in the securities portfolio. When you add all that together with where we think the loan pipeline is and our expectations for growth in the coming year, we think net interest income growth looks pretty strong in twenty twenty-two.

David Feaster, Analyst

Yes, okay. That makes sense. And then, just kind of following it up on the production in the new hires. You know, it's great to hear the pipeline that you have. I'm just curious how much of the new hires that you guys have recently announced have been driving some of this growth? In PPP, a client acquisition and just maybe get a sense of the embedded production from those new teams? Just an update on the expansion upstream a bit in the middle market and how that's gone?

Chuck Shaffer, President & CEO

Great question, David. It's encouraging to see that over the last quarter, which we've discussed in previous calls, owner-operated companies are returning to borrow money. This had been quite slow late last year and into the first quarter, but over the past six months, we've observed considerable growth. The table we provided shows solid growth in owner-occupied commercial real estate during the quarter, which is promising. Regarding new hires, about twenty percent of our commercial bankers have joined in the last year, but they have only contributed approximately eleven percent so far. There is significant potential for further contributions from these recruits, and I'm very optimistic about the volume of talent we're seeing as we look into 2022. All of this gives us confidence in loan growth for the upcoming year. Additionally, the true demand for credit from our core commercial and industrial customers indicates a positive local economy. I spoke with several customers yesterday who were excited about the population growth we're experiencing, particularly from California. A few CPAs I talked to are busy helping clients get their businesses opened in Florida. It's impressive what is happening here. I believe Florida's economy is now stronger than it was before COVID, and we're witnessing a resurgence, particularly in the last three to six months. This momentum, along with new hiring, is contributing to our growth. Moreover, our early-stage pipeline has exceeded one billion dollars, a record for us. Everything seems to be coming together, and I'm truly excited about our prospects.

David Feaster, Analyst

That's great. It's wonderful to see the de novo expansion in Naples, and we have new hires in Jacksonville. As you assess your footprint, where do you believe we might see additional de novo expansion? Would it involve deepening presence in existing markets or addressing gaps? Looking at the map, the main gap seems to be along the I-4 corridor in Central Florida. I'm interested in your perspective on de novo expansion and how you view M&A compared to de novo efforts. Projects depend on opportunities, so I would like to hear your thoughts on that.

Chuck Shaffer, President & CEO

Sure, great question. Starting with M&A, we remain focused on opportunities from Jacksonville down to South Florida, including Miami-Dade, as well as the entire I-4 corridor and Southwest Florida. We will pursue acquisition opportunities that are beneficial for shareholders wherever they arise. From the perspective of de novo growth, our focus is on finding talent and identifying disruptions that will allow us to attract more customers in those markets. It's exciting to see meaningful economic expansion in the state, which creates opportunities for us to grow through de novo initiatives. The influx of talent also enhances our potential for growth. Therefore, we're maintaining our focus on the same markets as before, with some additional fill-in areas like Naples, which may not offer many M&A opportunities but is a promising market with the right talent. We will pursue opportunities wherever they exist.

David Feaster, Analyst

All right. Thanks.

Chuck Shaffer, President & CEO

Thank you, David.

Steve Moss, Analyst

Good morning.

Tracey Dexter, Chief Financial Officer

Good morning, Steve.

Steve Moss, Analyst

I'm interested in the current loan pricing. Can you provide insights into the roll-on and roll-off yields? Additionally, regarding the pay-offs and pay-downs, there seems to be pricing pressure; are you also experiencing competition in the structure?

Chuck Shaffer, President & CEO

Let’s start with the roll-on/roll-off and I'll hit the structure question, Tracey.

Tracey Dexter, Chief Financial Officer

Sure. Excluding loan purchases, our organic add-on rates were approximately 3.61 percent this quarter, slightly lower than the 3.69 percent from last quarter. The pricing remains competitive, but we have observed some recent steepening in the curve, which should help stabilize these levels as we approach the fourth quarter. Regarding payoffs, our overall payoffs stayed high, though marginally lower than the previous quarter. Additionally, our overall fall-off rate decreased a bit from the prior quarter to 4.22 percent this quarter.

Chuck Shaffer, President & CEO

Yes, Steve, on the structure side. We don't see much that we would engage with in the market. For the most part, the competitive pressures have centered around pricing. I'd say the pricing pressures are more intense than we've experienced in the past, considering the level of liquidity. It seems that, for the most part, people are maintaining their stance on structure, which is encouraging. However, the marketplace remains highly competitive due to these liquidity levels.

Steve Moss, Analyst

Okay, that's helpful. Regarding the off-balance sheet deposits, I understand that the two pending acquisitions will add more assets, but you have a significant amount of liquidity. As the market tightens, I'm curious if you think you could bring in a standard ten billion dollars by the end of twenty twenty-two.

Tracey Dexter, Chief Financial Officer

We do expect to stay under ten billion dollars this year and plan to exceed, certainly with the acquisitions that are coming in the first part of twenty twenty-two. So, we are planned and our guidance includes the assumption that we'll cross ten billion dollars in twenty twenty-two.

Chuck Shaffer, President & CEO

Yes. We've built up a number of vehicles that we think will allow us to continue to move the deposits off-balance sheet and stay under ten billion dollars at the end of the year, Steve.

Steve Moss, Analyst

That's helpful. Regarding M&A, I know you have two deals pending, but I'd like to know how discussions are progressing. I understand what you're saying about the new hires and the pipeline, but does that indicate a shift towards more organic growth and hiring in the future? I'm also curious if there has been any significant change in your M&A strategy.

Chuck Shaffer, President & CEO

No. I would say it's same strategy, no shift. We continue to focus on the right opportunities, in the right markets, and if it makes sense for shareholders we'll pursue M&A as we have in the past. It's good to see the organic hiring coming online. I think that enhances what we're doing already, so it'll be a combination of the two moving forward. The two pending deals we have, we've received approval from the OCC. We're still awaiting our Fed waiver, which we expect to come in the near term, and expect to close those probably in the first week of January. So, we expect to get those closed and if we come across something that makes sense, it'll likely be announcement in twenty twenty-two, but we want to get the two deals closed that we have and continue to focus on growth.

Steve Moss, Analyst

Okay, great. Thank you very much. Appreciate all the color.

Chuck Shaffer, President & CEO

Thanks, Steve.

Steve Scouten, Analyst

Hey. How's it going, guys?

Chuck Shaffer, President & CEO

Hi, Steve.

Steve Scouten, Analyst

I guess a couple things. Tracey, it sounds like you were considering that deposit growth might normalize from here and could be somewhat lower than what we've seen in the past. Is that correct? What leads you to believe that, and what are you seeing that suggests this direction?

Tracey Dexter, Chief Financial Officer

Yes, we believe that the ending deposit balances have continued to rise over the last few quarters. We've noted some interesting studies that show correlations with the Fed's securities holdings. Therefore, we are considering the timing of the Fed tapering its purchases. This indicates to us that the balances may remain stable for a while, although they might not necessarily continue to grow at this rate. Additionally, as Chuck mentioned, we are beginning to observe a strong desire for expansion in our market.

Chuck Shaffer, President & CEO

Yes, I'd say, Stephen, it's clear that the industry was very correlated to the Fed's increase in the balance sheet. We think even with tapering that really doesn't pull back on deposits, it will take all the way to the point of pure contraction of that balance sheet before we'll see any challenge there. So, we think it's multiple years of high levels of liquidity here before we start to see that come back out of the marketplace.

Steve Scouten, Analyst

Yes. No, that makes sense. Okay, helpful. And then, kind of thinking about forward rate sensitivity as we hope to be prepared for some higher rates here in twenty twenty-three. I think at last update, you guys were screening that like plus seven percent and up one hundred basis point-scenario. Any changes to that asset sensitivity, or are you planning to do anything differently? And I guess, what are you assuming for deposit betas moving forward because I would assume it's demonstrably less than your peers?

Tracey Dexter, Chief Financial Officer

Yes. No significant change in our expectations in terms of asset sensitivity. We have an asset-sensitive balance sheet with a strong core low-cost deposit base. So, higher rates would certainly provide more upside to loans and securities yields, while we would expect that continued benefit of low-cost funding. So, we would expect meaningful increases in NII and NIM in the first twelve months of the rate adjustment.

Chuck Shaffer, President & CEO

Yes, we don't currently have the deposit betas available, but what I want to emphasize is that our franchise is primarily funded by transactions, with nearly sixty percent of our deposits being transaction-oriented. Given the long-standing nature of our organization, the duration of our funding base is quite extensive. Historically and moving forward in a higher rate environment, we believe we can manage the increase in deposit costs better than most. It's challenging to differentiate between banks regarding their deposit bases now that rates have dropped. However, we have consistently maintained one of the top deposit franchises in the country due to the duration of our deposits and the engagement we foster. Most of our commercial portfolio is concentrated in owner-operated businesses, which typically have deeper relationships with us, offering significant upside as rates rise. In a higher-rate scenario, our deposit base represents considerable franchise value, and we are confident we would perform exceptionally well.

Steve Scouten, Analyst

Yes, that's certainly helpful. Additionally, I wanted to touch on the fact that you have been ahead of your peers in utilizing digital tools and integrating technology in your customer interactions. I'm curious if you're exploring any new technology-driven initiatives, especially since many banks are focusing on DeFi projects and buy now, pay later options. It seems like banks are shifting towards point of sale lending and other similar avenues. Are there any innovative initiatives that you are currently pursuing that could be a new development for your company?

Chuck Shaffer, President & CEO

Yes, we are not currently exploring DeFi or pay-now models. Our primary focus remains on enhancing our grill and establishing a robust franchise in Florida. We are achieving this through our ongoing investments in data analytics. In the first quarter, we will fully upgrade our digital tools for our customers. We believe that combining these tools with high-quality bankers will create a highly competitive bank that maximizes shareholder value over time. While we will continue to monitor developments in DeFi and similar areas, there is nothing specific to report today.

Steve Scouten, Analyst

Great. Okay. Thanks for the color. Appreciate again.

Chuck Shaffer, President & CEO

Thanks, Stephen.

Operator, Operator

And I have no further questions, I'll turn it back to Charles for closing remarks.

Chuck Shaffer, President & CEO

Thank you, John. I appreciate everybody's time and I appreciate everybody calling into the call, and look forward to twenty twenty-two. We'll talk to you soon.

Operator, Operator

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, that concludes today's call. Thank you for participating and you may now disconnect.