Skip to main content

Earnings Call Transcript

Saga Communications Inc (SGA)

Earnings Call Transcript 2023-12-31 For: 2023-12-31
View Original
Added on April 09, 2026

Earnings Call Transcript - SGA Q4 2023

Operator, Operator

Good morning, everyone, and welcome to the Fourth Quarter and Year-End Earnings Release Conference Call. At this time, all participants have been placed on a listen-only mode. It is now my pleasure to turn the floor over to your host, Chris Forgy. Sir, the floor is yours.

Christopher Forgy, Host

Thank you, Matt. Have you ever thought about a career in broadcasting? I appreciate you starting us off this morning, and I want to thank everyone for joining Saga's Q4 and year-end earnings call. We value your ongoing interest and participation in Saga Communications, which we believe is the leading broadcast company. We have several important topics to cover today, including a new variable dividend program, $40 million in available funds, and a significant acquisition in the broadcast sector. First, we are excited to announce the addition of the Lafayette, Indiana Cluster to the Saga family through Neuhoff Media, expected to close in mid-May of the second quarter this year. Lafayette is home to Purdue University and will be a great fit for Saga’s market strategy. We have long been familiar with this market, which boasts strong brands and a dedicated team of broadcasters eager to begin. Once integrated, Lafayette will have growth potential in various areas, including local advertising, digital initiatives, and e-commerce. Previously, we predicted launching our new online news service in 16 markets by the end of 2024. I am pleased to share that we have already booked more than $1 million in revenue for 2024, and we have improved our timeline to have 18 markets operational by the end of the second quarter, not the end of the year. In previous calls, we highlighted our use of audio spec spot creative to convey ideas to clients. In 2021, we created 21,000 spec spots, which increased to 25,000 in 2022. I’m happy to report that in 2023, we generated 25,500 spec spots for our clients, reflecting an all-time high in our Saga markets. Yet, our desire for success remains unquenched. Like many others in the industry, we face challenges such as inflation, rising interest rates, political instability, and general economic issues. Business bookings continue to occur later in the year, a point you likely hear on other earnings calls. Unfortunately, we can't control these factors. A saying hangs on the wall of our market managers: "We cannot direct the wind, we can only adjust the sails." That's what we've been doing for the past 13 months—navigating tough economic conditions. We have tracked our progress over this period and identified 37 new data points that didn't exist 13 months ago. You can find these points in the Annual President's letter within Saga's 2023 report. As we disclose year-end and fourth-quarter earnings, please note that several new processes are just beginning to show results. We often wonder where we would be today without these growth strategies; most likely, we would be experiencing the same double-digit decline as others in the sector. Now, let’s look at some highlights from Q4 and the year ending December 31, 2023. National revenue in Q4 was down 4.2%, but it increased by 3.7% for the full year. Local revenue in Q4 fell by 1.7%, and down 2.7% for the year. Our streaming business, which monetizes simulcast streams of our broadcasts via various distribution channels, grew by 46% for the year, rising from $2.6 million in 2022 to $3.9 million in 2023. Total interactive revenue increased by 35.4% in Q4 and by 24.6% for the year, making up 8% of our total net revenue, with a goal of reaching 11% in 2024. E-commerce opportunities for advertisers with limited budgets or those looking to enhance existing campaigns provided a way for customers to utilize gift certificates to buy advertising on our stations, generating $1.4 million in revenue for the year, reflecting a 100% increase and ongoing growth. Overall, net revenue for Q4 dropped by 3.2%, and for the year, it fell by 1.85%. Importantly, if we exclude political revenue, gross revenue was flat for the year and increased by 1% in Q4. With that, I’ll hand the call over to our Chief Financial Officer, Sam Bush.

Samuel Bush, CFO

Thank you, Chris. I'm going to start with the obligatory paragraphs. This call will and already has contained forward-looking statements about our future performance and results of operations that involve risks and uncertainties that are described in the Risk Factors section of our most recent Form 10-K. This call will also contain a discussion of certain non-GAAP financial measures. Reconciliation for all the non-GAAP financial measures to the most directly comparable GAAP measure is attached in the selected financial data tables. First, let me say that Chris and I are quite proud that our Board of Directors were able to declare our first-ever variable dividend along with our fourth quarter and year-end 2023 press release this morning. The variable dividend policy was adopted and announced on December 7, 2022. The dividend is based on distributing to our shareholders 70% of a calculated amount that starts with net income and adds back non-cash expenses and deducts capital expenditures. Dividends declared during the year, as well as in years where it's applicable, the amount of any stock buyback or any acquisitions. I'll call the result of this calculation cash available for the variable dividend for reference purposes. During 2023, the Board declared $6.1 million in quarterly cash dividends and a special cash dividend of $12.5 million. The Board considered the special cash dividend to capital allocation restructuring dividend based on its previously stated intentions to reduce our cash and liquid security balances over time from approximately $60 million in August of 2022 to a level being more appropriate based on Saga's performance as well as economic conditions. As the press release indicated, I wanted to stress that, including the quarterly dividend to be paid tomorrow as well as the first variable dividend to be paid on April 5, Saga will have paid out more than $130 million in dividends. Again, that is over $130 million in dividends since the inception of our dividend policy in 2012. All said, we believe Saga is in a strong financial position to continue to return value to our shareholders through our quarterly, special, and variable dividends. The Board continues to have discussions relative to the right level of cash to maintain on our balance sheet and this may change based on global, national, and local economic conditions, changes in the radio industry, and the potential for strategic acquisitions. Also, as Chris indicated, it is exciting to be working towards the closing of our previously announced acquisition of five radio stations in Lafayette, Indiana. We missed out on the opportunity to acquire them a number of years ago when they were sold to the Neuhoff family. The current staff's commitment to serving their local community is a great foundation to build off of as we bring them into the Saga family. I'm especially pleased with this opportunity to purchase some great radio stations that have tremendous opportunities in front of them as I received my master's degree from the Krannert School at Purdue. Unfortunately, I did promise Chris that I would not break out singing back home again in Indiana, or the Purdue School.

Christopher Forgy, Host

And I am glad for that. Thank you, Sam.

Samuel Bush, CFO

Now on to the numbers. As Chris said, for the quarter ended December 31, 2023, net revenue decreased 3.3% to $29.1 million compared to $30.1 million last year. Again, as Chris said, political impacted the performance as we had $407,000 in gross political revenue this year compared to $1.9 million for the same period last year. Without political, our overall gross revenue for the quarter would have increased approximately 1% from last year. Station operating expense increased 1.9% to $23.3 million for the three-month period. Operating income was $2.8 million, and station operating income, a non-GAAP measure, was $7.1 million for the quarter. For the 12-month period ended December 31, 2023, net revenue decreased 1.8% to $112.8 million compared to $114.9 million last year. Again, as Chris pointed out, adjusting for political for the year, gross revenue was flat for the same period last year. This year, we had gross political revenue of $944,000 for the year compared to $3.6 million for the same period last year. Station operating expense increased 3% for the 12-month period to $90.2 million. Operating income was $11.5 million and station operating income, again, a non-GAAP measure, was $27.4 million. As discussed in previous conference calls, we made a strategic decision in 2023 to give our staff pay increases in recognition of the tremendous work they do. Most of them had not received any compensation increases in the past three to five years. These pay increases and related payroll taxes amounted to an estimated $372,000 or approximately 84% of the increase in the fourth quarter station operating expense and $1.6 million or approximately 60% of the year-to-date increase. Similar to previous quarters, other smaller but still meaningful increases in our station operating expenses included increased health insurance, utility expenses, music license fees, maintenance and repairs, programming rights, and sales surveys. You need to keep in mind that our year-end results for 2022 were impacted by a one-time expense of $3.8 million related to Ed Christian's passing, which was recorded during the third quarter of that year. The decrease in corporate expense was offset by an approximately $506,000 increase in corporate G&A expense, of which $361,000 was due to the hiring of specific best-of-class individuals to lead our new revenue initiatives that you have heard Chris and I talk about in previous calls, and Chris talked about a little bit more in this call already. Capital expenditures for the quarter ended December 31, 2023, were $959,000 compared to $1.3 million for the same period last year. For the 12-month period, capital expenditures were $4.4 million this year compared to $6 million last year. We currently expect to spend between $5 million and $5.5 million for capital expenditures in 2024. As Chris referenced earlier, for the year, we continued to diversify our revenue as we saw gross revenue growth in national, which was up $385,000, Interactive, which was up $1.9 million and nontraditional revenue, which was up $679,000. While local revenue was down for the year, it's important to note, as Chris did, that e-commerce, which mostly gets recorded as local direct revenue increased to $1.4 million for the year. We believe that there is still significant growth to be achieved in all these areas as well as in our continued digital efforts. We continue to plan on utilizing our financial strength to strategically invest in our operations, both at a market and corporate level as we work to grow specific revenue types, including local, national, interactive, e-commerce, and NTR. As discussed in our second quarter earnings call due to the SEC's renewed focus on the reporting of non-GAAP financial measures and their review of our filings, we have adjusted our quarterly press releases starting with our second quarter earnings press release to include a complete statement of cash flows as opposed to the abbreviated statement we historically have included in our Form 10-Qs. We continue to include the reconciliation of GAAP operating income to station operating income, which is a non-GAAP measure, but now also include other financial data table, which allows the users of our press release and filings to make direct comparisons to data reported in previous press releases and filings. The company's balance sheet reflects $40.2 million in cash and short-term investments as of December 31, 2023, and $30.4 million as of March 4, 2024, primarily due to the special dividend that was declared in December of last year and paid early this year. Pacing for the first quarter is soft. For the quarter, we are currently pacing down low to mid-single digits. January started out strong. February and March have been much softer. Although April and May are currently pacing up low to mid-single digits. It still continues to be an unsettled advertising market given the uncertain economy, the Fed's interest rate policy, the ongoing inflationary environment, in addition to other worldwide issues. We currently expect that our station operating expense will increase by approximately 3.5% to 4.5% for the year as compared to 2023. In addition to the inflationary environment, this is significantly driven by our investments in our staff, sales training, and ongoing interactive development. We anticipate the annual corporate general and administrative expense will be approximately $11.3 million to $11.8 million for 2024. Our tax rate is expected to be 26% to 29% with a deferred tax of 3% to 6% going forward. And now that I want all of you out, I'll turn you back over to Chris. Thank you.

Christopher Forgy, Host

Thank you, Sam. So Sam, your son Brandon is a Delta pilot, yes?

Samuel Bush, CFO

He is a Delta pilot, flying A330s to international locations as well as a KC-135 refueling tanker pilot for the Air Force Reserve.

Christopher Forgy, Host

So when Brandon is barreling down the runway, 200-plus miles an hour, I don't know what that is in knots, you could probably tell me, what is he typically focused on?

Samuel Bush, CFO

I actually called him last night, and he was at the DTW Detroit Airport on his way to Frankfurt, and I asked him that question. And he said, well, we're going down the runway at about 180 knots, which is roughly 200 miles an hour, and we are focused on getting the plane lifted off in the air and headed toward our final destination, which in last night's case was Frankfurt, Germany.

Christopher Forgy, Host

So he's not focused on the ground, but what's ahead, yes?

Samuel Bush, CFO

No, he is not. He is focused on what's in front of him.

Christopher Forgy, Host

We're going someplace with this. We don't spend a lot of time with the ground behind us. We choose to focus on the task at hand ahead of us and trust our processes and each other to deliver the enterprise to its desired destination. However, at the same time, sometimes it is also helpful to look back in order to see where you have been and where you're going. The Latin phrase we use, it goes like this, Finis Origine Pendet or translation, the end hangs on the beginning, looking back while moving forward. That's the reason we are so optimistic as you heard Sam and I say during this call and others. We're really optimistic about 2024 and beyond is simply this. Many of the processes we put in place are just now starting to bear fruit and are far from reaching maturation stage. As we begin a somewhat uncertain 2024, serving our communities, our customers, our employees, and our shareholders, we do so with a sense of certainty of purpose, with an unrelenting faith and trust in our processes and without cynicism or despair. We will run like our hair is on fire and set sail with a very optimistic belief for growth in 2024. Looking back, yet moving forward and then some. Thank you all again for your time and your interest and your support of Saga Communications, the best broadcast company on the planet. Sam, do we have any questions?

Samuel Bush, CFO

We did. We got a few questions in. Some of them are related. Some of them are totally independent. We had a couple of our investors sending questions. And the first one is, please give us some more details on the digital growth rates as you enter 2024 and beyond? Notes that we've made great progress, as you pointed out, Chris, but is playing out that we still pace like our peers and is wondering what our thoughts are for 2024 and beyond?

Christopher Forgy, Host

I'll start, and then you can add color if you'd like, Sam. Sam and I touched on this during our remarks during this call and others. Currently, our digital represents 8% of total net revenue, and we have forecasted that number going to 11% in 2024. Again, the biggest lift we anticipate is with our blended selling process, and that will impact both local and digital. And we're still in the process of implementing this process in our markets. We're just about completed. We anticipate big gains from this area. Sam, anything else you want to add to that?

Samuel Bush, CFO

No. I think that's good. With my reference to the folks that best-of-class individuals we brought on hand. We've got the team to do it. We were a little slower, as you pointed out before and adapting to the digital marketplace, but we're running at a very fast pace right now, and I think you'll see some very good improvement in 2024.

Christopher Forgy, Host

And I want to take this time to recognize somebody who has just done a yeoman's work in the development of this and implementing this. We call him the architect of innovation and change. His name is Matt Burgoyne, and he is the one who is leading the charge on this. And we're thus far very excited and very pleased with the progress.

Samuel Bush, CFO

Shareholders also asked a couple of them to ask about Lafayette, which we've talked about already. Did have one shareholder ask what's the multiple paid for Lafayette? And Chris and I have told you and told a lot of people, I'm not a fan of multiples because when I was a banker, I always said there were five multiples in a deal. Here's what the buyer said they paid, there's what the seller said they received, there's what the banker financed, there's what the broker said they got to enhance their position as being the best broker in the business, and then there was the real multiple. So multiples are tough to use because we look at them in a number of different ways. Some people do all sorts of add-backs when they make an acquisition, or here's how we're going to do it, and therefore, the multiple changes. Long and short of it is, I think, as Chris pointed out, we believe Lafayette is a great opportunity. You don't know much about the area. Purdue University is growing extremely strongly when you go down there and see the cranes and the new buildings. Lafayette itself has a big Caterpillar plant, which has expanded, as does the Subaru plant, which has expanded; Rolls-Royce there with the aviation division because of their relationship with the aviation department at Purdue and so on. It's just a very exciting market. And the fact that Neuhoff has been so locally involved has set up a basis for us to use all our tools and resources to really enhance what we're doing. So we're not prepared to give a multiple or give a specific financial impact for 2024, but we are looking forward to closing, and you'll hear more about how they impact our financials as we go forward.

Christopher Forgy, Host

We are prepared to say boiler up.

Samuel Bush, CFO

Boiler up, hammer down. We also got a couple of questions or another question from Michael Kupinski at Noble Capital. And I think I've already answered one of these questions. We provided some general pacing data for the first quarter and for the second quarter. And he's asking to expand upon Lafayette, Chris, is how are we seeing the current M&A market? And are there other opportunities?

Christopher Forgy, Host

As we said before, there are other opportunities. In fact, we received one yesterday, and they will continue to come. I think as we've shown in the marketplace that we are a buyer, not a seller, but they're going to be very prudent and we'll be careful purchases, obviously, when we do make those purchases, and they will need to be consistent with our market acquisition strategy. So yes, I think there are opportunities going forward. We will just review those on a case-by-case basis and move accordingly.

Samuel Bush, CFO

Very good. And then the final question, and we've already touched on it to some extent, but give you a chance to add a little bit more color to it, if you'd like, Chris. Again from Michael Kupinski. In terms of your revenue diversification strategy, what is the outlook for national advertising? What is classified as national advertising? This has been a growth area for the company, but it's been tough for your peer group. What are you seeing that others are not?

Christopher Forgy, Host

Well, again, as we've stated in previous earnings calls, because we're very proud of the team that we have that is executing our national initiatives. We've taken more of a local approach to national sales, much like the way, Michael, that we've taken our Saga story to the investment community with your help—face-to-face, belly-to-belly—with the help of our Director of Research and storytelling Mario Christino, the Katz team, and our NSM, Tom Howe, and Bruce Warner. We're making more compelling presentations, telling better stories. And that has had a huge impact on our success in that vertical. We're also now a part of the Katz network and have forecasted an additional $1.5 million to $2 million in revenue in 2024.

Samuel Bush, CFO

Very good. I think I had some good color to it. And I did. I said that was our last question. It really wasn't. We had one more similar to that one. But it's basically, what's the outlook for political for the remainder of the year?

Christopher Forgy, Host

Sam, you haven't got to answer these questions. I'm going to let you do this one.

Samuel Bush, CFO

Okay. Political is always variable. While we have a projection of where we think we're going to be at the end of the year, we look back at where we were two years ago, where we were four years ago, where we were six years ago, where we were eight years ago. But we've also had surprises, both good and bad in the past because it comes down to what's the battleground state, depending on the election. I will also tell you that most of our election money, political money we get is not presidential oriented; it's going to be whether there's a big senatorial or a big congressional race, a governor's race, and sometimes it comes down to a school board race in a small community or in a medium-sized community. It can make a big difference as to what's going on there. So we do have a positive outlook for political this year. We so far have not seen as much as we had thought we would see. But I've also heard the political is starting later this year, and there's still a big—we believe that there'll be a lot of it out there for radio to pick up on. And it's just hard for us to project any significant with any significant confidence numbers at this point because of where they are. We are talking to an outside consultant. We have a call; we’re setting up with here in the next week or two. Who does have his handle on what's out there in basically every market and can help point us in the right direction if our local managers are not already in tune with what's going on in those markets. So I think you'll see a lot more, but I think it's going to be third quarter and fourth quarter oriented.

Christopher Forgy, Host

Get your popcorn because it will be entertaining, that's for certain.

Samuel Bush, CFO

To say the least. Well, good. I think we’re done. I think, Matt, we're ready to turn it back over to you and let you wrap it up.

Operator, Operator

Certainly. Thank you, everyone. This concludes today's event. You may disconnect at this time, and have a wonderful day. Thank you for your participation.