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Earnings Call

Saga Communications Inc (SGA)

Earnings Call 2020-06-30 For: 2020-06-30
Added on April 09, 2026

Earnings Call Transcript - SGA Q2 2020

Operator, Operator

Good morning ladies and gentlemen and welcome to the Saga Communications Q2 Earnings Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] It is now my pleasure to turn this over to your host; Ed Christian, President and CEO of Saga Communications. Sir, the floor is yours.

Ed Christian, President and CEO

Thank you, Catherine. And Sam Bush is with me and he will speak momentarily, but at least Sam, Catherine was good enough to say welcome to, rather than unwelcome to Saga for the conference call. We have some good things to talk about and some harsh realities to deal with. So with that, Sam?

Sam Bush, CFO

Thank you, Ed. This call will contain forward-looking statements about our future performance and results of operations that involve risks and uncertainties that are described in the Risk Factors section of our most recent Form 10-K. This call will also contain a discussion of certain non-GAAP financial measures. Reconciliation for all the non-GAAP financial measures to the most directly comparable GAAP measure are attached in the selected financial data table. The second quarter was materially impacted by business and service provider closures, restrictions, and other government-mandated actions. From the gross revenue low point in April when Saga's gross revenue was down 55% compared to the prior period in 2019, our revenue has significantly recovered in each of the following months with July's gross revenue being down approximately 29%. And I think it's important to point out that from a broadcast cash flow perspective only April was negative, while May and June both showed positive broadcast cash flow. We do expect to show positive broadcast cash flow for the year if the current market conditions continue due to our efforts to reduce expenses and with the expectation that we will see ongoing month-to-month revenue improvements. We had more cash on hand at the end of the second quarter, $48.9 million compared to the end of the first quarter of $46.3 million. We expect there to be some fluctuation in this amount as the year continues, but we do not believe it will be reduced by any material amount by year-end. Again, this is if the current market conditions continue and we don't face another prolonged government-mandated shutdown in our markets. At the end of the quarter, our outstanding debt remained at $10 million, which, given the cash on hand, presents no covenant or liquidity issues. I'm sure a lot of other broadcasters and businesses as a whole will be envious of this statement. I want to point out that Saga's reported net loss for the first six months was $3.2 million, but only $564,000 after adjusting for the noncash impairment charge, net of the tax benefit associated with the impairment charge. Ed, with that short commentary on an unprecedented quarter, I will turn it back over to you.

Ed Christian, President and CEO

Thank you, Sam. For the last few days, I've been listening to other conference calls. And I am kind of numbed out because as I listen to the calls, it's about how we're down this and down that. The numbers are there and here is what it is. And after a while, this kind of plays over because we know what they're going to be. It's interesting because for all the years that I've been in this business, we kind of run in -- even though we're all independent operators in -- or public companies or whatever it might be. But the trend is amazing in terms of how it really sits together and holds true across the entire country. I was talking about another broadcaster the other day who has spun as many markets as we have, but they're not in a single one of our markets. And we said, okay, come on let's share some stuff here. How did you do during the quarter? And what are you seeing going forward? And we went through the numbers. And within one percentage point, we were the same. This company totally different markets, similar sizes, mid-market, but it was a very interesting experience. But I really need to ask everybody's permission here to just kind of digress from the numbers for a minute and really begin to look behind the numbers. What do they mean? And that's the issue that we really have to get down to is, when we look at the numbers, they don't really tell us much. It shows a percentage of business bound and we can start breaking it into categories and try and say okay, in this category, medical we were down 42% or 55% or whatever the number is. What does it really mean? Where does it come from? Now admittedly, there were parameters set where the governor has closed business, made certain things based on that. And those are the things that we can't change. There's nothing we can really do to entice somebody into advertising during those points in time. But what about the other ones? And what did we learn about our experience here and doing an analysis on it? Well, I think one of the things that came out of it for us, and one of the things that we really began to see early on was that a lot of good businesses who didn't need to close were closing because of fear. And I think that's really what happened in a lot of areas once the fear factor came into play, or a business person would say, 'Oh my God, if I don't stop spending right now, I could lose my business. I could lose everything I have. I could be upside down.' And I always remember a quote from one of my favorite intellectuals, Edmund Burke, who said back in the mid-1700s, 'No passion efficiently robs the mind of all of its powers of acting and reasoning as fear does.' And I think that's really true. I mean really, no passion effectively robs the mind of all of its powers of acting and reasoning as does fear. So what we're saying here is that what we learned was that we had to really change the paradigm. We had to change the way we were selling. We had to be more enabling with a client, more encompassing of the client and their problems. So we began to understand that they were not advertising not because they couldn't, but because they were afraid to advertise. That's a very interesting distinction, but it's true. And we found that out. So we really had to change the method, the way that we were working with them. We didn't let them validate their fear because we came in and really worked with them in different ways to show them why they had to be advertising during the pandemic. Why they had to be doing this and what they can do? And we targeted certain ones. So we knew that had a potential to do so, but were afraid that they spent the money and they didn't get a return, that they could be going out of business. There's one of the things that I've learned over the years, sometimes the hard way. But I remember one of my first career jobs in sales. And the owner of the radio station in Detroit, Michigan said to me, 'Did I ever tell you the story about the man who sold hotdogs?' And I go, 'No.' And he said 'Okay, let me tell you the story. There was a man who lived by the side of the road and he sold hotdogs. He was hard of hearing, so he had no radio, he was in trouble with his eyes, so he read no newspapers. But he sold good hotdogs. He put up signs on the highway telling how good they were. He stood on the side of the road and cried, 'Buy a hotdog, mister,' and people bought. He increased his meat orders. He bought a bigger stove to take care of his trade. He finally got his son home from college to help him out. But then something happened. Son said, 'Father, haven't you been listening to the radio? I don't like that line. Haven't you been reading the newspaper? Don't like that. There's a big depression. The European situation is terrible. The domestic situation is worse.' Whereupon the father thought, well, my son has been in college and he reads the papers, and he listens to the radio, so he ought to know. So the father cut down on his meat orders, took down his advertising signs, and no longer bothered to stand on the highway to sell his hotdogs. And his hotdog sales fell almost overnight. 'You're right son,' the father said to the boy. 'We certainly are in the middle of a great depression.' Again, once again the idea of being influenced into having the wrong thoughts. So we really decided that we would go after and do a lot of great things to try and change the relationship with our people. And let me just tell you a few of the things we did because I'm really proud of what we came up with from the stations. Chris already did an outstanding job of communicating all of the ideas out. And that is from March through June 20 during the pandemic, our markets, Saga markets donated over $10 million to local advertisers. Yes, we would go into them and say that look, you shouldn't stop. While the business is really done, but I don't know if I'm going to make payroll or everything else. All right. But you can't stop because you need to continue your marketing. So we're going to carry it for two months. We're going to do it. Don't worry about it. Don't ask any questions. Your commercials will stay in the air because we know that you need to keep your top-of-mind awareness. We need to know that you have your presence there. And the clients looked at us unbelievably. What, you're going to give us free advertising? No, it's not free advertising. It's letting you know that you're a valued relationship to us. Since you've been with us for 10 years, now it's our turn to help you as you have believed in us, now we believe in you, and we're not going to let you down during this time right here. By the way, this does not include the value of free promotional time supplied to local businesses to promote curbside pickup and shopping local, etc. That was totally other different campaigns we did for them. We also identified and created and sold new creative ideas to emerging categories that are not typically radio advertisers. This again gets down to the fact that traditionally radio has sold certain categories, the sellers going on the call and the same people get the same results, nothing else changes. And we said there's a lot of people out there that could benefit from using radio and the reach on radio. So we went out and we started looking at them, finding unusual categories. Recruitment, we all know about that one. Sleep apnea clinics, yes, you know a lot of doctors. Yeah, pawn shops, metal roofing, personal injury and bankruptcy attorneys, residential real estate, contractors, HVAC, doors and windows, aftermarket auto parts, optometry, pet daycare, grooming facilities. And the idea that we told was 'Too Hot for Spot.' Okay. That's a good one. And it was a combination public service and advertising campaign providing helpful tips on how to keep your pet safe from extreme heat during the summer. Hair salons obviously couldn't be open. But what we did was we had an on-air campaign during the pandemic called 'Show Us Your Roots.' Since many hair salons were closed during the start of the pandemic and consumers weren't able to get their highlights, the promotion was a fun way to support local hair salons and keep them top-of-mind, while at the same time it provided hair salons, which leads to those who entered the contest. And we created all these new initiatives for our sellers and buyers. We also gave away just on the air when we talked about this, we were going to be giving away $15,000, $10,000, and $5,000 in advertising to clients. All you have to do is go to our website and register your name. And we'll do a drawing. And we'll have three winners. One will get $15,000 in free advertising across our platform of stations we have in the market. Another one will get $10,000, and one will get $5,000. And we averaged about 400 people registering for this. Now you're wondering, 'Okay, so you're giving away free advertising?' Well, the ones that did and I was just drawing, we're ecstatic about it, 'Oh my God! I can't believe that we get free advertising. We can continue on doing what we're doing.' And by the way, we also got 400 leads of businesses that we knew were advertising. And we set our salespeople out with $500 gift certificates and had them go in and talk to the owner and say, 'Listen, we're sorry you didn't win. But here, just from us is a $500 that you can use at any time to advertise on the stations and just mail us to be able to work with you on that, and we'll get it done.' So what did we do? By doing this we created 400 lead opportunities to divide it up amongst the sellers and did that. The other thing we did is we produced over 4,000 spec spots for our local advertisers in three months, 4,000 new commercials in three months to present to them as idea starters for it. So we look at this and these are the things that actually kept us from being down further. It allowed us to get to a lower level where we are now in the high 20s and going down from there to try to restore a level of normalcy. But if we can cure the fear factor and make this a fun factor, then we're so much further ahead in the business. And the other thing we've been doing is train, train, train. I can't tell you the amount of training and retraining that goes into this. The new people that we've hired in sales are a clean slate. They're not coming in and saying, 'Well look, we've been doing it this way for 20 years.' They don't know the difference. And when we tell them to go and call on this product category, a lot of the senior sellers would say, 'Oh, they're not going to buy.' But the new ones will go out and just power right through and do that. Change is here. Change is occurring. Change is what's happening in our business, and we have to stand behind it. And that's exactly what's going on in here. And we're also selling long-term, and again, it's great with the young sellers coming in that they're suddenly -- if you tell them, 'Look, we only sell in 10 weeks or 12 weeks.' Another seller would go out who's been there for a long time and say, 'I can get a $500 order for next week.' Now we don't want that. We're in for the long term. We're building and rebuilding our business. So this has been a terribly challenging and painful time for us in broadcasting. It has also given us a chance to feel reinvigorated with a new commitment that we have towards doing what we do to service our communities. We chose to be in mid-markets where we actually can make a difference. Where we can know that people listen and respond to us because they depend upon us for what goes on in the community. And we're using that power and the power of being able now to change the way we've been doing business and bringing ourselves into a new relationship and a new era is going to pay off very much in the long term. We are concentrating and building on local direct and local direct services. And that's where the bread and butter is going to be in for the future of local radio. And that's where it is. I'm not worried about cheap spots on national. That's gone from the game. That's changed. Let's do and control what we can control and let's do it the right way, and we'll be in great shape on this. I just want to be the best that we can be in our particular area, and no, it was not a good quarter, as I said painful for all of us. And you said, here each week and go, 'Oh,' and then you have to begin to understand what happened. And that's what we did. And I just want to thank you all for listening to my ramblings, I guess this morning. But I hope I gave you an idea and ambition of what we're trying to accomplish at Saga. It's been our goal. We've been in business for 34 years. I thought it was bad in 2008, but that was a walk in the park compared to what we've experienced. And if everything is right and our projections hold, even though we have no real visibility in terms of going forward on this. But if we do, we'll get through this. We'll be fine. And a sense of normalcy will return to what has become a very hurried industry in the last several months. But bear with us. We'll do what's right. We'll get through this.

Sam Bush, CFO

No, we did not have any questions today, Ed.

Ed Christian, President and CEO

All right. Do you have any questions?

Sam Bush, CFO

No. But I can say, I always like my comments, but yours are always much more fascinating to listen to. So thank you for that.

Ed Christian, President and CEO

Well, go, go, buy yourself a hotdog, keep the old man happy. All right.

Sam Bush, CFO

I will do so.

Operator, Operator

Thank you, ladies and gentlemen, this does conclude today's conference call. You may disconnect your phone lines at this time and have a wonderful day. Thank you for your participation.