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Turkcell Iletisim Hizmetleri A S (TKC)

Earnings Call Transcript 2024-03-31 For: 2024-03-31
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Earnings Call Transcript - TKC Q1 2024

Operator, Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by. I'm Vasilious, your chorus call operator. Welcome and thank you for joining the Turkcell’s Conference Call and Live Webcast to present and discuss the Turkcell’s First Quarter 2024 Financial Results. All participants will be in listen-only mode and the conference is being recorded. The presentation will be followed by a question-and-answer session. At this time, I would like to turn the conference over to Ms. Ozlem Yardim, Investor Relations and Corporate Finance Director. Ms. Yardim, you may now proceed.

Ozlem Yardim, Investor Relations and Corporate Finance Director

Thank you, Vasilious. Hello, everyone. Welcome to Turkcell's first quarter 2024 earnings call. Today, our CEO, Ali Taha Koc, and CFO, Kamil Kalyon, will be delivering a brief presentation covering operational and financial results, which will be followed by a Q&A session. Before we begin, I would like to kindly remind you to review our safe harbor statements available at the end of our presentation. Now I'm handing the meeting over to Mr. Ali Taha.

Ali Taha Koc, CEO

Thank you, Ozlem. Good afternoon, everyone, and thank you for joining us today. At Turkcell, we are celebrating our 30th anniversary with great pride, having pioneered numerous milestones from our first call to becoming Turkey's leading technology provider. In the first quarter of 2024, we are delighted to share our successful results. By taking timely actions, we have delivered double-digit real growth despite global central banks tightening policies and reaccelerating inflation in Turkey. Our top line grew 12% to TRY31 billion with a remarkable 23% increase in EBITDA. These results have been driven by rational price increases since 2021, which enabled mobile ARPU growth to reach 17% and fiber residential ARPU growth to reach 14%. Supported by lower energy and interconnection expenses, operating leverage expanded the EBITDA margin by 3.8 percentage points to 41.4%. Additionally, our commitment to focusing on value-generating post-paid and fiber customer acquisition resulted in 333,000 net additions in the first quarter of the year. Overall, our strong operational performance resulted in a remarkable net profit of TRY2.6 billion. Our strong first quarter performance enabled us to revise our 2024 revenue growth upwards, which I will elaborate on later. Next slide, please. Let's take a look at our operational performance in the first quarter. Unlike previous quarters, competition in the mobile market was relatively less aggressive in this quarter. On the mobile front, we sustained our focus on the postpaid segment, which contributes more value to our financials, resulting in a net increase of 472,000 subscribers. Over the past 12 months, our postpaid base has grown with 1.7 million additions. Our postpaid customer base exceeded 27.6 million, reflecting 72% of the total on a three-point rise year-over-year. Disconnections from previous year's tourist lines, rising new acquisition price levels, and demand for alternative data solutions were the main factors behind the prepaid net loss of 243,000 subscribers. Our customer-centric and innovative approach contributed to a low churn rate this quarter. The churn rate in the mobile segment was at 1.5%, marking the lowest rate in the past six years. Driven by sequential price adjustments, upsell efforts, and an increased share of post-paid subscribers in the portfolio, blended mobile ARPU rose by 95% year-on-year and continued to outpace CPI. The base effect from last year's earthquake contributed to the widening ARPU inflation gap in this quarter. Taking into account inflation adjustments, mobile ARPU recorded 17% yearly growth. Next slide, please, Ozlem. In the fixed broadband market, this year started with price adjustment in December, and the market has become more rational compared to the previous year. In the first quarter, we had 48,000 fiber customer additions to our portfolio, following focused investments in expanding our fiber footprint over past years. We are pleased to have added 41,000 IPTV subscribers, reaching the homes of 1.5 million customers. TV Plus is a premier solution for fiber subscriber retention, enabling us to implement effective price adjustments, thanks to its rich content. With the contributions of TV Plus, our pure fiber technology and a rational market, we achieved a fixed churn rate of 1.3%, marking the lowest level since 2007. Widening the gap with CPI, residential fiber ARPU growth continued to rise, achieving a 90% year-on-year growth on a historical basis. Our upsells forced to higher-speed packages and an increase in 12-month contract share within the customer portfolio were the main components of this outstanding performance. Similar to the mobile site, the base effect from last year's events contributed to the widening ARPU inflation gap in this quarter. Lastly, we will be prioritizing fiber subscriber net additions over increasing home passes this year. Therefore, it is reasonable to anticipate lower new compass figures compared to last year. Next slide. Let's discuss our strategic focus areas, starting with digital services and solutions. Standalone revenue from our digital services and solutions grew an impressive 32% year-on-year, primarily driven by a 29% revenue increase in digital OTT services, which has a 5.5 million paid user base. Among these offerings, our TV services and personal cloud service were particularly instrumental. TV Plus' success is remarkable as it has been the only platform consistently growing its market share since 2014. According to the ICTA report, the TV Plus market share increased to 17.6%, cementing its second position as of 2023 year-end. In the first quarter, digital business services generated TRY2.8 billion in revenue and secured more than 1,200 contracts. We remain committed to maintaining our leading position in the data center market. Combined with our cloud services, revenues from those grew by 48% to TRY470 million. Next slide. Paycell, our innovative payment service platform, registered a remarkable quarter, delivering 33% year-on-year growth. Rising interest rates and commission on post solutions as well as volume growth supported the top line. The 57% surge in Pay Later volume was positively affected by a 16% increase in the number of active users. Paycell EBITDA rose 47% year-on-year. The primary factor behind the rise in the margin is post-expense growth lagging behind its revenue increase. Financing customers' technological needs, finance sales revenues rose 53% on a surging loan portfolio, higher average interest rate, and the contribution of insurance business revenues. The higher cost of funding stemming from tight monetary policies secures finance sales profitability similar to the banking sector. This was reflected in the net interest margin, which narrowed by 2.4 percentage points this quarter. Since financial issues loans have relatively shorter maturities, we expect this pressure to decline in the second half of the year. Meanwhile, our cost of risk is at 1.7%, which is lower than the first quarter of 2023. Next slide. Lastly, our performance in international markets. Turkcell’s international revenues, which account for 3% of group revenues, rose 2.2% to TRY815 million. Best revenues rose 24% on a yearly basis in local currency terms, primarily driven by higher data, SMS, and service revenues. The 3.2 percentage point improvement in EBITDA margin was sustained by dedicated cost management. Next slide. I would like to end by sharing our revision for 2024 guidance. Given our first quarter performance, we revise our 2024 revenue growth guidance to low double-digit growth. For EBITDA margin and CapEx intensity, we maintain our guidance. I will now leave the floor to our CFO, Mr. Kamil Kalyon.

Kamil Kalyon, CFO

Thank you very much, Ali Taha. Now let's move on to our financial results. Our consolidated revenue increased by 11.8% on a yearly basis to TRY30.8 billion. The Turkcell Turkey segment was the biggest supporter of the Group topline growth with a 13% rise on a year-on-year basis. This was driven mainly by an expanding subscriber base, particularly on the postpaid side, and strong ARPU growth, thanks to sequential price adjustments with successful upselling efforts. In the first quarter of 2024, EBITDA rose 23% on a yearly basis to TRY12.8 billion, thanks to strong revenue growth. The EBITDA margin expanded 3.8 percentage points year-on-year. Despite the increase in personal expenses due to the annual wage rise and the increased funding cost of our financing operation, the Group EBITDA margin benefited from a decline in the cost of goods sold, energy expenses, and interconnection expenses as a percentage of revenue. After the electricity prices increase in 2023, which was relatively low compared to inflation and our corresponding price adjustments in line with the inflation, the proportion of energy expenses to our revenue decreased, thereby supporting the EBITDA margin. Additionally, the continued decline in MTR positively impacted our profitability. This trend is expected to persist throughout 2024. Now let's dive into the net income performance. Thanks to a robust operational performance, EBITDA has contributed TRY2.4 billion to net income. The net FX loss item has pressured net profit by TRY1.8 billion, due to higher foreign exchange rate changes, which is partially offset by mark-to-market financial derivatives. By the first quarter, the increased weight of non-monetary assets on the balance sheet, the dividend distribution, which decreased retained earnings, and higher inflation indexation resulted in a positive impact of TRY3.1 billion on net profit, marked under the monetary gain and loss item. Despite the positive impact of indexation between statutory reporting and IFRS, deferred tax decreased compared to the previous period. Lower corporate tax also supported the net profit. Let's take a closer look at our CapEx management. The CapEx to sales ratio for the first quarter of 2024 was 18.2% with accelerated revenue. As we plan to accelerate our data center and renewable energy investments in the upcoming quarters and given the seasonality of the second half, we expect to reach 23% CapEx intensity for 2024. In this quarter, we primarily focused our investments on mobile and fixed assets. Fixed-site investments are primarily driven by tower fiberization. We remain committed to achieving our fiberization target of 41% within this year. The share of data center investments within the total investments for this quarter appears small. Yet, we expect this proportion to increase over the coming quarters in line with our target of installing an additional 9.1 megawatt capacity. Thanks to the modular structure of our data centers, we simply add new modules as demand arises. Now let's turn our attention to the balance sheet. In Q1 2024, our cash position is at TRY49 billion. Note that a total of TRY5.2 billion wireless usage tax payments, the second installment of the earthquake donation, and employee bonuses had a negative effect on our cash position. Additionally, we have invested in euro bonds for effective cash management. Our gross debt was at TRY98 billion, and we ended this quarter with a net debt position of TRY33 billion. Due to the decreasing cash position, our net leverage slightly increased to 0.6 times. This year, our FX debt service is around $340 million, which we consider quite manageable given our strong cash position. We possess an adequate cash reserve to fulfill the 10-year euro bond redemption in 2025 and are exploring a range of funding alternatives for the reissues. The majority of our cash remains denominated in hard currencies, excluding FX swaps; 49% of our cash is in U.S. dollars and 24% in euros. Lastly, let's look into the management of foreign currency risk. In the first quarter of this year, our balance sheet had around $2 billion equivalent in FX financial liabilities. In addition to the $1.6 billion equivalent FX denominated financial assets, we have a $700 million effective hedging portfolio, the vast majority of which consists of futures, forwards, and NDFs. Since we believe the Turkish lira has entered a period of real appreciation and with hedging costs in the market having risen significantly over the past couple of years, we plan to reduce our derivative portfolio in the coming periods. As of this quarter, we have a net FX position of $158 million due to our plans to reduce our derivatives portfolio. It's fair to expect our net FX position to decrease in the coming periods while remaining within our neutral FX range of minus and plus $200 million. This concludes our presentation and we can now open the line for questions. Thank you.

Operator, Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, at this time we will begin the question-and-answer session. The first question comes from the line of Tiron Cesar with Bank of America. Please go ahead.

Tiron Cesar, Analyst

Yes, hi. Good evening. Thanks for the call and for the opportunity to ask questions. I have three questions, but they're all easy. The first one, if that's okay. The first one is on the guidance increase on the revenue. What surprised you the most in the past, let's say one or two months, so you had to hike this guidance? That would be the first question. The second question, I would like to understand what exchange rate are you assuming in your budget for the lira? And let's say, if the lira depreciates less than per your budget, could it be that you spent a little bit less CapEx, so maybe the CapEx intensity will be less than your guidance? And then the third question, going back to the datacenters, can you please explain your ambition in the field and how large do you think the capacity would be in the medium term? Thank you so much.

Ali Taha Koc, CEO

Hi, Cesar. Thank you very much for the question. We had a quarter with solid financial and operational performance, actually, which has exceeded our initial plans. Accordingly, our revenue growth guidance for 2024 increased to low double-digit growth, and there's no change in our EBITDA margin and CapEx adjusted guidance. However, given the macroeconomic dynamics, projecting inflation will be challenging, and the actual figures may vary according to the realized inflation and other factors such as the cyclicality of revenues. Additionally, the Minister of Treasury and Finance announced that the middle-term plan OVP is planned to be reviewed at the end of summer. Accordingly, we will be closely following the macroeconomic developments for possible further revision. But to be truthful, the first couple of months of this quarter have been better than our expectations, so that's the reason we revised our guidance. For the datacenter business, we already have four big high-tech datacenters, and we are planning to build more and are actually looking for a collaboration with big companies to bring the data, whatever it is with the data we have in Turkey, we want to keep it and we want to be a data hub for this region. So that's the reason we have huge ambitions about the datacenter business. Currently, we have four big datacenters, and we are adding more to them; in the future, you're going to see more coming from Turkcell.

Kamil Kalyon, CFO

For the second question, normally, our year-end U.S. dollars FX rate estimation is TRY37.5 and the average rate we are assuming is TRY34. We believe that we will be in line with our guidance for the full year on the CapEx side. However, in case of a spike in the FX rate, if it materializes within the year, we can postpone our discretionary CapEx in order to create a buffer. We are monitoring developments in the economic landscape, but most probably the FX rate will align with our estimations this year.

Tiron Cesar, Analyst

Thank you so much. That was very clear. Thank you.

Kamil Kalyon, CFO

You're welcome.

Operator, Operator

The next question comes from the line of an unidentified analyst with Barclays. Please go ahead.

Unidentified Analyst, Analyst

Hello, good evening. Can you hear me?

Ali Taha Koc, CEO

Yes, loud and clear.

Unidentified Analyst, Analyst

Good. Thank you very much for the presentation and congrats on the results. It's also great news about the upgraded guidance. I have two quick questions, so my first one, you mentioned that your cash position decreased because of investments in Eurobond. Could you please elaborate on that a little bit? And my second question is related to Ukraine. Obviously, we've seen some headlines in the news about potentially positive developments. But, my question would be, what will you do with the proceeds from this asset sale? Will you plan to pay additional dividends, or do you intend to use that for CapEx or maybe for your Eurobond repayment? That's it. Thank you.

Kamil Kalyon, CFO

Thank you very much. I will give the answer for the first one. The duration of the euro bond is five years. Turkish Sovereign and Bank, when we look at the yields in the Eurobonds, there's a high yield when we compare it with the deposit rates. Therefore, we prefer to invest in Eurobonds in order to benefit from the high yields. For the second question, maybe you can give.

Ali Taha Koc, CEO

As you may know, in April, the seizure of our Ukrainian assets was lifted. It's positive news. We are now waiting for the necessary permission from our anti-monopoly committee of Ukraine. So this is the last step for concluding this deal. Although we do not have a board decision regarding the proceeds we will obtain from the sale of our assets in Ukraine, we have important investment projections in the coming period, such as data centers, solar energy, and the 5.5G auctions. So we are looking for huge investment projections in the coming period.

Unidentified Analyst, Analyst

Got you. Thank you. So, do you still see the deal closing during this year?

Ali Taha Koc, CEO

Yes, definitely. Because there are two big roadblocks: one is just this seizure and another one is the anti-monopoly committee. Other than that, everything is clear. So hopefully, after this permission from the anti-monopoly committee of Ukraine is finalized, we are talking about a period of months; we're expecting that's going to be done this year.

Unidentified Analyst, Analyst

Okay. Thank you very much.

Kamil Kalyon, CFO

You're welcome.

Operator, Operator

The next question comes from the line of Ignebekçili Murat with HSBC. Please go ahead.

Ignebekçili Murat, Analyst

Hello. Thank you for the opportunity to ask questions. Can you clarify the calculation of net debt? I think you have changed something over there because I see that FX deposit accounts are no longer included in the net cash calculation. Am I missing something here?

Kamil Kalyon, CFO

Murat, we do not have any change in our net debt position calculation. We are using the same method.

Ignebekçili Murat, Analyst

Net cash still has the total cash at TRY48.8 billion, and when we get to the…

Kamil Kalyon, CFO

Some portion of cash is categorized in the financial assets. Maybe it might.

Ignebekçili Murat, Analyst

Yes, yes, exactly. So why don't you include those in the cash calculation?

Kamil Kalyon, CFO

We included. Normally, we have TRY49.5 billion in our hand and TRY15.1 billion in financial assets. And for example, when you look at our leverage of 0.58, these two amounts are included into this calculation.

Ignebekçili Murat, Analyst

Okay, when I look at the footnote, I see almost TRY49 billion as cash and also TRY10 billion as financial assets separately. That's why I…

Kamil Kalyon, CFO

Roughly.

Ignebekçili Murat, Analyst

TRY15?

Kamil Kalyon, CFO

Fifteen, yes.

Ignebekçili Murat, Analyst

Okay, we can follow up on this later.

Kamil Kalyon, CFO

Okay.

Ignebekçili Murat, Analyst

And were there any working capital issues in the first quarter? Because there's around almost TRY12.5 billion EBITDA, around TRY7.5 billion CapEx in the quarter.

Kamil Kalyon, CFO

Yeah, Murat.

Ignebekçili Murat, Analyst

The change in net debt increased by approximately TRY6 million or TRY7 million. I believe there may be some negative impact from working capital, or could it be related to tax payments or something similar? Can you provide some clarification on that?

Kamil Kalyon, CFO

Normally, we hit around TRY9.9 billion cash outflow in this quarter related to working capital side. This was mainly driven by, as you know, we paid the second installment of the earthquake donation in January. Additionally, we paid personal bonus payments in February. And in February, again, we paid a huge amount of wireless fee tax payments as we have some payments to our suppliers and decreased trade payments in Q1 ‘24 compared to the first quarter of the last year. We are closely following our net working capital side, and I think we will recover. Especially collection of the wireless fee tax payments from our clients, our net working capital structure will be better in the coming periods.

Ignebekçili Murat, Analyst

Okay. Thank you very much. And finally, when you look at the financial expenses during the quarter of very limited FX activity or limited FX depreciation? We have financial expense as I see around more than TRY5 billion of FX losses. Could you elaborate on that, please?

Kamil Kalyon, CFO

Yes. Normally, as you said, I think around 6% or 7% depreciation in the FX rate that realized in Q1. But as you know, along with the sequential rate hikes from the CBT side, short-term rates and hedging costs increased very significantly. Therefore, this was the main driver behind the increase of our FX loss and the financial expenses. In addition to the credit rates also increased very much before the election side, you remember. Therefore, these three effects affected our FX position or FX loss side negatively.

Ignebekçili Murat, Analyst

So is it safe to assume that given that the interest rates in the market have already settled at some level, albeit very high, we should not see further significant FX losses in the coming months? The price is only the market-to-market?

Kamil Kalyon, CFO

Yes. As mentioned in my speech, our expectation in the FX side is that we are not expecting a very high increase in the FX rates. Therefore, most probably in order to decrease our hedging costs, we would like to make it a short position in the coming periods in order to reduce our financial costs, because our estimation regarding the FX rates, I think it will show a short or mid-term trend. We are not expecting any significant FX increases this year. Therefore, most probably we will be opening a short position in our net FX position.

Ignebekçili Murat, Analyst

Thank you. That's very clear. And finally, about the operation. When you look at a typical postpaid client, it is due to renew this contract? What is the, like, front book, like-for-like, growth in the invoice if one is to renew this contract, compared to last year. So a new contract renewal price is up how much on a year-on-year basis?

Kamil Kalyon, CFO

Normally, our revenues grew by around 13% on the corporate side. We have a very strong increase in ARPU compared to the last period, which is around a 17% hike. Looking ahead to 2025, we've implemented a lot of price increases, leading to over a 100% rise in prices within the last 20 months. This is mainly due to our successful inflation pricing policy.

Ali Taha Koc, CEO

Invoice to invoice, you can talk about 100%, more than 100% invoice to invoice.

Ignebekçili Murat, Analyst

Yes. So a typical platinum tariff is up 100% in monetary terms, compared to the same week last year?

Kamil Kalyon, CFO

Might be. We are talking about the blended ones, but we're not talking about the markets or platinum. We're just talking about the blended.

Ignebekçili Murat, Analyst

So yes, and the inflation rate hopefully declines in the coming quarters. In the interim, this will translate into a much larger number. I see. Thank you.

Kamil Kalyon, CFO

You're welcome.

Operator, Operator

The next question comes from the line of Demirtas Cemal with Ata Invest. Please go ahead.

Demirtas Cemal, Analyst

Thank you for the presentation and congratulations on very good results. My first question is about your strategic focus area. I see a little bit more momentum in both the Techfin Business and Digital Services revenue side? Could we expect this track to continue going forward? Because in previous years, there was a little bit slower growth, but I see higher momentum. Is it sustainable? This is my first question. The second question is how do you see the consumer sentiment on your front? Do you see any changes in consumer behavior and could you give us some color on the roaming sites? What are your expectations on that side? Thank you. And the last question is again, it has been asked about the net debt. What was the amount of wireless pretax paid in the first quarter? Thank you.

Ali Taha Koc, CEO

Again, let me start with the strategy focus areas. I just want to say that our momentum is going to keep on going until the end of the year and then most probably into the next year as well. So Techfin and DSS side will continue to grow. For example, Paycell saw a quarter with double-digit real growth performance, Paycell. Additionally, the finance sector also supported the Techfin segment's growth in the first quarter of 2024. Also, our Digital Business Services will grow, with the digitization of the older companies as well as the public sector. They're expecting that growth and the momentum is going to continue. So everybody wants to be digital, and at the end of the day, Turkcell is a leading integrator and leading technology firm in Turkey. We will be happy to digitalize and just support them in their businesses. We especially expect the data center business and the co-op businesses to grow faster than we expect. So hopefully, we will see this momentum keep ongoing.

Kamil Kalyon, CFO

Demirtas, we paid TRY1.7 billion in fixed payment in February. As you know, we are paying in advance to the government side and we are collecting this from our customers within the year.

Demirtas Cemal, Analyst

Thank you.

Kamil Kalyon, CFO

You're welcome.

Ali Taha Koc, CEO

So we are closely following that part as well. But, for us, what we are doing is we are just running some new campaigns around the smart contracts. We are just letting all the users see if their tariff is over or not, and then we just make that service free of charge. We are trying to improve our Net Promoter Score as well. We are seeing that it is technologically easy, especially with electronic and eSIM technology, but we are closely following trends. We will be able to provide more information when we have more data, especially during this tourist season, particularly in the summer. We will see the numbers because this is going to be the first time we are expecting many tourists with electronic SIMs. So we will see the impact, both positive and negative. Once we have more data, I will provide better insights at the end of the summer.

Operator, Operator

The next question comes from the line of Mandaci Ece with UNLU Securities. Please go ahead.

Mandaci Ece, Analyst

Thank you very much for the presentation, and congratulations on your strong guidance. So my question is about the corporate revenues. I see a 3% decline in your corporate revenues. Digital business solution revenue is flat, but apart from it, I'm noticing some decline. Is this just for the first quarter? Do you expect, as I can understand, you're expecting some drop over there going forward, but what was specifically the reason for this decline in the first quarter? Thank you.

Ali Taha Koc, CEO

So let me talk about the DBS and then the revenue growth for this quarter. Especially, our digital business services revenues remained flat in the first quarter of 2024, mainly due to fewer one-off large budget projects and hardware sales compared to last year. Additionally, revenues from public sector clients dropped from 41% in Q1 of last year to 24% this quarter. This indicates a slowdown in public sector sales mainly due to the saving measures in the public sector. At this point, we're compensating for the slowdown with our value-added and recurring services and like data center and cloud businesses. So hopefully, we're just going to compensate for this slowdown effect from the public sector.

Kamil Kalyon, CFO

Normally, we do not have any problem with recurring services in the corporate side. As Ali Taha mentioned, we had three significant projects in the last quarter of 2023. Therefore, within the year, we will realize real growth in the corporate side as well.

Mandaci Ece, Analyst

So margin-wise, was this the reason – one of the reasons why you had, I think a better margin maybe? Could there be a dilution effect with the expected increase in margins, could there be a margin dilution effect in the quarters ahead?

Kamil Kalyon, CFO

Are you inquiring about the consumer side or the corporate side?

Mandaci Ece, Analyst

Corporate side, I mean.

Kamil Kalyon, CFO

On the corporate side, from the recurring side, all income coming from the tariffs: we do not have any dilution regarding the margin side. We are a little bit sensitive to project perspective, as this year might be hot for corporations and state establishments concerning budgetary purposes. Therefore, we do not want to enter risky projects this year. We are selecting more profitable projects with no receivable risks. Therefore, we do not foresee or expect margin dilution in the corporate side. As you know, terminal side – how can I say – hardware side, is a little less profitable, but we are very good at balancing this issue, and we do not want to dilute our EBITDA margin. We are very careful about the baskets we prepare for these projects.

Mandaci Ece, Analyst

Thank you.

Kamil Kalyon, CFO

You're welcome.

Operator, Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, there are no further questions at this time. I will now turn the conference over to Turkcell Management for any closing comments. Thank you.

Ali Taha Koc, CEO

Again, thank you very much for your time, and I will be happy to present our Q1 great results. Hopefully, we're going to have similar and then better results in Q2. Hope to see you next time. Thank you.

Kamil Kalyon, CFO

Thank you very much. Hope to see you.

Ozlem Yardim, Investor Relations and Corporate Finance Director

Thanks for joining. Thank you.

Operator, Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, the conference is now concluded, and you may disconnect your telephone. Thank you for calling and have a pleasant evening.