Conference Transcript - TPG 2026-06-09

Mike Cypress, Analyst — Morgan Stanley

All right. Let's go ahead and get started here. Good afternoon, everyone. I'm Mike Cypress, equity analyst covering brokers, asset managers, and exchanges for Morgan Stanley Research. And I'm thrilled to have with us for our next session, Todd Sysyski, president of TPG. Todd, thanks for joining us here today. Thanks for having me. So TPG, as many of you know, is a leading global alternative investment manager with over $300 billion of assets under management. So a lot to get through today. I thought maybe we could start with the current backdrop, Todd. Deal environment, it seemed like the market had finally found its footing when we came into this year, and then there was some momentum coming in, and then obviously a lot's happened since. So let's talk about the deployment volume, which has generally been maybe a bit more sluggish than people had expected. um tell us about tpg's experience how it differs maybe from others there and your ability to

Todd Sisitsky, Other

deploy in this current backdrop absolutely um well we we've actually been very busy and i'll come to that in a moment i think from an overall market standpoint i think the way we've looked at it is if you if you step back and you think back to the i'm surprised to say this to even to hear self-say it, to the relatively easy days of Brexit. You know, there was a disruptive event every year or 18 months, maybe two years. Now there's Liberation Day, there's the war in Iran, there's Russia, there's the quickest rate increase and prior to that COVID and rate decrease. And so it feels like the volatility in the macro environment has accelerated. It's like the world have become predictably more unpredictable. And I think in a business like ours that does take time to create opportunities, that just has an implication for really all aspects of the business, including the origination side and the new investment side. At CPG, we've actually been able to stay quite busy. If you look at our first quarter, we were up actually 74% year over year. Actually, all of our business units, All of our asset classes were up, private equity up actually 100% plus. And I think one of the reasons is that on the scale of sort of the flow side of the market where larger deals would come with financing, a chaperone meeting with the CEO, and they tend to be there when multiples are good, there's a steady environment. if that's on one side of the continuum, we're sourcing most of our investments in the much more customized, I'd say sourced part of the market. And so much longer dated, lower probability of success when you start the dialogues, but when you get them done, they're a little more resilient and a little less impacted by some of the macro factors. And I think that's true really across the board for the various businesses that we're in. On the private equity side, if you look at our flagship fund, two-thirds of the investments in the TPG 9 portfolio were either structured partnerships with corporates, the vast majority of which were proprietary, several of which actually had downside floors, so put-call provisions, or carve-outs. In many cases, carve-outs where the parent maintained an ownership stake. So those are much more customized in terms of how you get into those. And we have different flavors of that in real estate, in credit, and I think that that has reflected itself in a really steady pace. So if you look at our major funds, we've been investing in that sort of three- to four-year cycle that we advertise, and we've continued to find really interesting things in today's environment. And frankly, on an aggregate basis, if you look at credit, our deployment was up 56% through the first quarter, But if you look at just the AUM and the rate of investment since the combination of Angela Gordon and TPG, that acquisition about two and a half years ago, you know, the AUM has grown from $60 to $95 billion. So it's been a really healthy pace. And our activity flow actually has followed.

Mike Cypress, Analyst — Morgan Stanley

Great. Why don't we shift and talk about realizations? There's been a lot of discussion about exit timelines getting pushed out. What would you say needs to happen to change for exits to become more durable in your view? And are you expecting a pickup here, particularly given IPO markets seem to be reopening here? But at the same time, maybe supply risk builds too.

Todd Sisitsky, Other

Well, I think the exits are certainly really across private capital, particularly across private equity. They're a big area of focus for our partners. And actually, I think going back to the original comment I had about the world becoming predictably more unpredictable, It means you really have to hit the exit windows when you see those opportunities. And the implications of that environment are different if you are more oriented towards IPOs as your exit, as opposed to strategic exits, as opposed to sponsor-to-sponsors, which may require a more robust financing environment. And so from our standpoint, we have looked at this world and said, we have to approach the exit strategy with the same intentionality, the same focus, and the same sort of centralized engagement as we do the investment decision. I don't know that that was true 15 years ago, but it's true today. And so we push one another. I actually think it was one of my most important jobs as president to sort of make sure that we're pushing one another because delivering DPI, I think, has been a differentiator for us, and it's very important for our partners um so our results i think have have shown that i you know we had a 25 billion dollars um 28 billion dollars uh ltm and you know nine billion in the first quarter and that reflects um you know that reflects a lot of intentionality if you look at some of the the drivers of the eggs in the first quarter you also see a sale of uh of one oncologist and quora that was a structured deal with a with a corporate partner that we've subsequently partnered with than other ways, where we had a put call. So you sort of have more certainty around your exit. You have more certainty around the timing, the partner, in some cases, even a minimum valuation. So I think that has a big impact. Intersect power with Google, again, a partner deal that Google ended up buying us out of. So our portfolio construction has a big impact on our ability to exit. And if you look at the sort of various avenues that we've used to drive liquidity over time, focusing on the TPG capital business, the flagship fund in the U.S. and Europe, about half of our exits have been to strategics. So I think that, again, is a little bit more of a resilient part of the world in terms of exits. IPOs can be compelling. And in fact, if you look in India where it's been particularly compelling, I think we have to be the leading sponsor of IPOs. We have 14 exits over the last couple of years that have been through an IPO route. But they do require more time. They often take years to actually exit once it's really a path to liquidity. It's not liquidity. And so we've been very focused on creating businesses that are interested to strategics and, in many cases, again, entering into investments with clarity around how we're going to exit those investments.

Mike Cypress, Analyst — Morgan Stanley

And how's that pipeline looking so far here into the second half? The pipeline continues from a liquidity standpoint.

Todd Sisitsky, Other

I think it continues to feel like there are there are opportunities of businesses that we've had a couple of years with that have really shown nice inflection in their growth. We feel like there's a there's a there's a there's a particular opportunity. In some cases, the dialogues have been in, you know, the conversations have been inbound. So I think that the volatility in the broader marketplace is always going to be a headwind for exits. But we've been very intentional. And we do feel like we have a number of shots on goal. So we continue to feel like there's an opportunity for meaningful liquidity in the second half.

Mike Cypress, Analyst — Morgan Stanley

Okay, great. So why don't we shift gears, talk about fundraising. You recently reiterated your guidance for capital raising to exceed $50 billion this year with a pickup in the second half of the year. And you guys are in the market with a number of several important campaigns. So maybe you can bring us up to date on the funds that are in the market that are raising, the expected timing there. And just if you could also touch upon how LP conversations are progressing in this environment today as there are ongoing DPI pressures that continue to absurd. How is that impacting the LP conversations and what you're hearing? Absolutely.

Todd Sisitsky, Other

Well, I think you're right. The LPs in a world of volatility are thinking increasingly about, particularly in the liquid investments, What's the appropriate liquidity premium? The translation of that, I think, has been we've heard about the selection and the down selecting of large allocators of capital globally. We've heard about that for years. We're seeing it real time and I think in a very intentional and immediate fashion. So I think you have a set of GPs that folks feel have strategies, portfolios that meet their strategies, have been delivering DPI. We've gone from most of our careers being in an environment where interest rates were declining and multiples were increasing to a world where we're modeling multiple headwinds. We're modeling multiple compression in our base cases now for the last two and a half fund cycles. And so you have to have a way to drive the growth and to drive those returns. It's sourcing, and it's what you do with the portfolio companies when you own them. I think that the broader group of LPs, particularly the global asset allocators, are looking at the range of option out there, and they're coming up with that list of folks that they really want to lean into. And we feel like we've been a real beneficiary of that. And we've seen that in the significant growth we've seen in credit, the growth we've seen fund over fund cycle and things like TREP on the real estate side and I'll come back to real estate in a moment and in growth and in our in our private equity platforms and we continue to feel that we have a lot of support from our our LPs you also see that in an environment like where fundraising is not easy it's hard to raise first-time funds we've actually had a lot of success that's been a core strength it's been part of our DNA for the whole 23 years I've been here and before that. But if you look over the last three years, we've raised, I think, $13 billion of capital for essentially new strategies. And the sports fund that I've been involved with, we're at $1.1 billion. These are really interesting businesses on their own, and they have a lot of scalability opportunity. And you have our big institutional partners excited about the idea of building businesses together. So I think it's a tale of different quadrants here in terms of the experience that people are having with fundraising. There is still capital available. We've never lived through a period where it's easier to measure investors, where it's easier to measure absolute performance and to compare it on a relative basis. And so results really matter, as does strategy, as does the continuity of the organization. So I would say it's not an easy environment, But I do actually feel like the breadth and depth of our relationships with our most important strategic partners has really increased in the last few years. And it's why we continue to have confidence. You mentioned the $50 billion. I mean, I remember a time, and I don't know whether I'm just nostalgic for it or glad it's behind. This year, we're going to have a big flagship fundraiser, and then we'll have a quiet couple of years. that's not how things are now. They're always on. So we have what has been a real step function in credit, which I think is a testament to the cross-selling and the ability for the interest and excitement, rather, for the historical, traditional LPs on the TPG side to see this great, talented group that came in with the Angela Gordon acquisition and to back these successively larger funds. And that's sort of continuing to pace. but we you know we had a big big first close in tpg capital we'll finish that up this year it's an important year for real estate so um our t-rep business which is an excellent performer is uh you know it had a 6.8 billion dollar fund that's the fund that's just been invested we have confidence for that we'll see a meaningful step up in in in that subsequent fund so um you know we're really pushing on all fronts uh and in a sense you know you're you're always on in terms of the existing funds. And as I said, we're seeing a lot of uptake in new funds and new

Mike Cypress, Analyst — Morgan Stanley

strategies as well. You mentioned an interesting point that in prior years or years ago, at some point in the past, you would raise your flagships and then you'd have a quiet period. Why is that

Todd Sisitsky, Other

not going to repeat this time? Well, the reality is that we have more strategies in the sense that we have credit. They're shorter fund cycles. TPG growth is out of the market. It had its close in 2025, but TPG Capital is in the market and TPG Asia will come over the next couple of years. So within asset classes and across asset classes, we have a robust set of offerings and we're adding new offerings all the time. So Advantage Direct Lending, TICA, our growth fund in Asia, sports, these have gotten a lot of traction on their own. So the reality is that that's what our partners want. They're always investing. They want to understand the broader array of strategies that we have and how they can fit their own objectives and needs with what we have coming to market, not just this year, but in years to come. So we came off a very important year in terms of our $51 billion, I think, in 2025, a little more on an LTM basis through the first quarter, and we have another year where we're looking for 50-plus. And I think that'll continue.

Mike Cypress, Analyst — Morgan Stanley

One of the other areas that you have added is private wealth. Arguably one of the biggest growth opportunities across the industry. You have a private equity strategy, TPOP. I think it's now over $2 billion of AUM in under a year. So how are you managing the tradeoffs there between growth, liquidity, valuation discipline as this evergreen capital scales?

Todd Sisitsky, Other

And I knew we were going to come to this, but the other aspect of fundraising for us are these new channels. So as you say, retail, I think maybe we'll talk about insurance for a minute after as well.

Mike Cypress, Analyst — Morgan Stanley

Yeah, that's my follow-up question.

Todd Sisitsky, Other

So that's a perfect lead man here. But on the private wealth side, I think this is a natural for us. And, you know, there's two sort of – we have retail in our drawdown funds, and there was a substantial increase of two-thirds increase in sort of overall private wealth in the LTM period relative to the prior period. But these evergreen vehicles are really important. So there's sort of two vehicles I probably want to spend a minute on. TPOP, as you said, is our foray into Evergreen Private Equity Fund. For us, it is a greatest hit. It's across our 14 strategies. It's had really exciting traction. We're at $2 plus billion, $2 and a half billion. And this is a strategy for us that allows, we feel like we have a real right to win in private equity, and it allows the private investors and the wealth managers to participate in all of our private equity strategies on the same basis, on the same time frame, in the same investments as our core institutional funds, mostly institutional funds. And that's really appealing to people. There's excellent alignment. So when you ask about how do we adjust our liquidity, how do we adjust our strategy, the shorter answer is we really don't. The appeal for this is to look at over the 30, the 15, inception to date, 30, 15, 10, five-year periods. Our returns in private equity have gone up, our growths in net returns over that time period. This is not something, you know, there's some of our, some competitors are sort of have de-emphasized private equity. This is a core business for us. We really do feel like we have a right to win, and it's resonated. These are sort of interesting businesses. This gives the investor an opportunity to participate across that spectrum of private equity. And they like the fact that we're not going to sell from the institutions to them or from them to the institutions. They're going to go in and they're going to exit as though they were an SMA on the same basis. And so that's sort of part of the appeal. And we've started with two really strong relationships on the wire house side, two sort of international private banks. We're adding another this summer. We have a really exciting pipeline of dialogues around additional platforms. We've had a lot of success internationally. I probably would have expected more of a concentration in the U.S., but in Europe and Asia, it's actually resonated and we've had a lot of uptake. And for us, we've taken it very seriously because it's our opportunity to introduce ourselves as a firm in a very intentional way to this broader market. And we feel great about the reaction. So behind that, we'll have TREAT, which some folks call TREAT. I'm going to keep it TREAT. We already have TPOP. Too many cute names is not a good thing. And that will come in the near intermediate term. A multi-strategy credit fund, I think, is also a natural addition. So we're going to keep driving this platform. We really feel like we have an incredible set of relationships on the institutional side. and we have an opportunity to translate that into the high net worth retail side and that's exciting for us. If you look at TCAP for a moment, which is our non-traded BDC, we've had a pretty different experience than some of the other folks in the market. Because I insisted, we filed yesterday our latest results And we had, I think it was 181 of inflows, of gross inflows, and then it was a 2.1% in terms of redemption, so well under the 5% cap. And I think that reflects a number of different things. This is the lower middle market strategy. These are 100% credits with a covenant in the revolver, so you really see what's happening relatively early. 40% loan-to-value, very strong credit results, which have been stable quarter over quarter. I think 1.2% pick, no pick at the outset. So a really healthy portfolio with strong results, very little software, zero ARR-based loans. So I think that the world has discerned among different strategies, And this has been, I think, a source of a lot of pride for us. This is a 10-plus percent performer over the last year. It's a very good product, and folks are excited about it and not trying to redeem.

Mike Cypress, Analyst — Morgan Stanley

So beyond private wealth in terms of emerging sources of flows for you guys in the years ahead versus in years past, insurance is another one. Yes. So why don't we talk about the Jackson partnership, how that's progressing, key learning so far, and how are you thinking about expanding to additional partnerships over time?

Todd Sisitsky, Other

Our overall, I mean, we have a lot of insurance relationships that participate in different vehicles, but we've tried to become a lot more strategic in building those. And the Jackson example is a great one. That partnership is excellent. There's a tremendous amount of dialogue. It feels very natural. It feels like a real partnership. And at the outset, there was $2 billion allocated to our asset-based strategy. Among the many things that's exciting about this for us is it's helping us build out other capabilities that are really important for our insurance clients. So we're putting a lot of energy and resource behind investment-grade ABF. one might wonder whether the other insurance clients would be concerned. In this case it was quite the opposite. It was a view that we are going to increasingly focus and expand our product set to address the needs of the insurance partners. And so we have a number of other dialogues. We feel like there are a lot of other opportunities to keep expanding and the Jackson relationship I think will continue to expand. We're talking about a host of different strategies that I think have a lot of traction and are appealing to their book. We're looking at one-off opportunities together. We're sort of doing things that are essentially unlocking by virtue of the partnership between Jackson and ourselves, and we think there's the opportunity to do that again with other partners. I think the insurance side is another area that should represent a big opportunity for us to go forward. We've tended to look at things more on the asset-light side, but again, that doesn't in any way connote less of an integrated strategic relationship with partners like Jackson.

Mike Cypress, Analyst — Morgan Stanley

Great. Why don't we shift gears and talk about AI? It's reshaping both investment opportunities, operating models. For you guys, there's implications for the portfolio at the operating company level and also a deployment theme. So we're going to break it into three. I'll start with the first question out of three there. So portfolio company side, right? So talk about how it's impacting your portfolio companies. To what degree does AI represent a disruptive threat versus an alpha creation opportunity? As you think about your toolkit, right, working with portfolio companies, you know, and how do you start to get confidence on the underwriting side as you're making new investments as well?

Todd Sisitsky, Other

I think on the question of whether AI represents a disruptive threat or, you know, an alpha creation opportunity, the answer is definitely yes. It is both. And it is a dramatic transformation that is not limited to software. It's really flowing through all of the industries that we invest in. And I think that the first reaction whenever there's new technology, I think, is this perception that the incumbents are going to get overwhelmed and it's going to be all the disruptors. I think as people spend more time on it, you realize that there are certainly situations where that's the case. but there are also a lot of incumbents that benefit. And one of our jobs, both in our existing portfolio and as we look at new investments, is to figure out both the situations, the phenotypes of companies, particularly if you look at software, for example, where you're positioned to benefit from AI as opposed to be impacted by it. So these are companies that have perimeters on their data, are volumetrically exposed in the case of many companies in cybersecurity to the rising threats associated with AI are physically integrated into the work streams and the operations on the ground. Areas of manufacturing software are like that. So there's a number of different systems of record where you're really very hard to displace. So there's a number of different models. But the second side is what you do with the resources that you have and how you drive it. So we have been very intentional, as I said, about selling over time. If you look at where our, for example, software as a proxy sits for us, the average portfolio company in our software portfolio is three years old, so very recent. In 2021, when a lot of folks were buying, we were selling, and we sold everything in TPG7 and prior, including all of our remaining software companies, and at great prices, I might add. And so we have a young portfolio. Our recent TPG Capital 9 and the very recent TPG Capital 10, which is just starting, we feel excellent about. Those were all in full view of Egenic software, excuse me, Egenic AI. So it really leaves us with one fund that was a 2019 vintage fund that has about, you know, I think at this point, half of the fund's been returned. And 60% of that portfolio looks like it's outperforming and is at very strong momentum. And we look at 7% as in that mitigate category in terms of exposure. But we're working hard on sort of all of those companies, as well as many companies that are using AI to their advantage. And the overall portfolio is performing very well. you know mid to high teens in terms of revenue but dog growth as we as we shared in the earnings call but even within software you know the the first quarter alone was showing north of 20 percent bookings growth which was better than three to four quarters in the prior year so in some ways you know we're seeing actually a nice acceleration and i do think part of that is is where we sit with these companies but also how we're pivoting to try to benefit from from ai so we actually think that as you as you step back from uh you have to keep focus on the risk but as you sort of step back these moments of change have been enormous opportunities for folks like us in you know in in private private investing uh and we have a very deep team i mean it helps that we live in san francisco and can you know can throw a rock uh at 60 of the if you had a good enough arm i guess uh 60 of the ai companies uh you know that that are that are moving things in the world and we've taken full advantage of that. I mean, you saw that with a recent investment on the, you mentioned on the deployment side, you know, the OpenAI Deploy Co, where we were really the founding partner. That is trying to address the biggest bottleneck right now in AI, which is the, you know, the tremendous limitation in forward deployed engineers who can help to implement and sort of make the AI dream a reality. This is the company that sort of set up to do that because you really need these folks to be able to get back into the code and to see where the development's going. So we feel extremely well-positioned by virtue of our technology heritage, our proximity, and just the sort of depth and breadth of AI-savvy resources we have sitting inside of the firm.

Mike Cypress, Analyst — Morgan Stanley

And maybe we could talk about your approach to it at the management company level, right? So how are you using AI to operate the firm differently, more efficiently? What are some of the use cases you've identified? What are your plans around implementing new use cases over the next 12, 24 months? And what sort of, I guess, improvements have you seen so far?

Todd Sisitsky, Other

Well, there's a lot of exciting work going on on that front. We've had since 2019 an internal AI team, our lab as we call it, that's been focused on a number of these opportunities. And in each part of our business, there are different opportunities to uncover. In the front office, the tools are incredible, but one of the things that's most important is the proprietary data. I mean, we have hundreds of companies over time. I think we have, at last count, I think this may be private equity alone, five million pages of proprietary research over time. You know, in healthcare, over the last 15 years, we've looked at six times the number of companies that are publicly traded. And so trying to sort of leverage that data pool for insights to do our job better, to sort of take people away from some of the mechanical also and to focus on the judgment part of the business, that's an enormous opportunity which i think we're still in the early innings of tapping into and we have ai synthesis of all the materials we have but the ability to look across this much broader data pool all the results are coming in from our hundreds of companies it's really powerful and it's and then you know again it's it's an extraordinary proprietary uh uh opportunity to sort of leverage the things that we do and and all this work that we that we create um you know On the credit side, we have the ability to look across tens of thousands of properties for risk scoring for our MBS market. And that's something we're doing. I think that increases the workflow by two or threefold relative to what we'd be doing if we were doing it personally. So that's an opportunity to do a job better, probably to take some costs out as well. At the operating company in the middle and back office, we have a host of opportunities that we're piloting and that we're executing on. We probably started by saying, how can we do what we're doing more efficiently? But we've migrated to the other question of what are the things we can do with AI that we just couldn't have done with people at all? And that's it, because I think we were kind of limiting ourselves on how we were framing the question. So I think there are a lot of things that we are doing today and that we are piloting that will have a big impact. And if you look at the longer arc of TPG, you know, we went public not that long ago, four and a half years ago, with 100 billion of AUM. We're now well north of $300 billion. So as you think about different ways to leverage AI to sort of affect the rate of growth or the trajectory of your cost base as you grow the AUM, as you grow your revenues, it could have a really profound impact, I think, on our business model.

Mike Cypress, Analyst — Morgan Stanley

And then lastly, maybe AI is a deployment theme. You touched on this just a moment ago a little bit. Can you just expand on that and just more broadly, how are you thinking about the opportunity set? What areas stand out as most attractive to you?

Todd Sisitsky, Other

I think it's a very exciting opportunity to set. So we've invested directly in Anthropic, directly in SpaceX, directly in OpenAI. We've created, as I mentioned, this sort of tool which leverages our operating capability and our ability to sort of help stand-up companies in DeployCo. But we've also invested across our platform. So I think we had really one of the first credit investments in and around the AI space with XAI through our Credit Solutions Fund. That was a very successful deal. We've invested in Intersect Power and Google. That was one of our exits in the first quarter. Our real estate team started investing in 2019 in data centers. So we see actually a lot of different opportunities across the firm. We also are using AI because we have this sort of, you know, you've got to understand TPG, half of our partners on the capital side, half of the folks above the associate level are operating people. So we have a very deep bench of expertise and operating expertise, and that's been everything through the lens of AI. And so, you know, we just underwrote a business services deal which had 1,000 basis points of margin improvement built in through leveraging AI to redesign workflows. So AI has a lot of impact, both on discrete opportunities, some of the many, whether it's energy and power and the use of clean energy to supply this ever-growing need for energy, or it's infrastructure, some of these derivative plays that I think are very appealing. And then AI has a big impact on sort of these sectors that we've been in for two and three decades in terms of creating tools that now allow us to look at a totally different set of numbers than you would otherwise be looking at when you're underwriting these businesses.

Mike Cypress, Analyst — Morgan Stanley

So we talked about fundraising across a whole different number of channels and opportunities as we think about organic growth. So final question here on the inorganic side, Angelo Gordon was the largest acquisition that TPG has done. So how are the M&A conversations evolving today versus, say, a year or six months ago? And from here, is the focus more on filling capability gaps or continuing to scale existing verticals?

Todd Sisitsky, Other

We have a very ambitious strategy for the future. We really want to grow. Again, we've tripled our AUM plus since we went public. We feel like there's a lot of opportunity ahead of us. And I think that that will come both in the form of organic growth, continuing to grow our flagship funds and our existing funds. New organic growth, which has been a core skill set of ours forever. I mean, that's from the earliest days. We've had this culture, this entrepreneurial culture of going off, creating new funds and building them. And these are businesses that might be a billion or a billion and a half of a.m. today. You look at TGS, our secondary business, that was 1.9 in the first fund, has an opportunity to grow materially. And so those will have a big tailwind for us as we think about growth. The inorganic growth aspect is also very important for us. Some of that, again, is in distribution. But as you look at new platforms, I think it falls into two categories. Big-scale acquisitions like Angelo Gordon. PepperTree has been another exciting opportunity for us that feels more like a tuck-in that is an excellent business in the own right and works very well and sort of increases the view of us as a strategic in the digital infrastructure space. We have opportunities across both. We've always felt very capable on the organic growth side. I think what the Andrew Gordon acquisition, which to us has been a tremendous success, is it's given us confidence that we can also identify, execute, and then integrate these businesses in a way where we make both sides of the equation a lot better. So I think you'll see us look for new capabilities. I think we want to continue to grow in areas like secondaries. That could be organic. I think it could certainly be organic. It could also be inorganic in areas like infrastructure, likewise, organic plus inorganic, potentially in geographies. You know, we have an excellent business in Europe. I mean, we're spending a lot of time there this summer to try to support the team as we grow it. I could see opportunities to expand inorganically there as well. And with more tuck-ins as we think about ways to sort of keep building out and really logically grow from the platforms that we have in place. I think that we're seeing a lot. And again, I feel like we feel very confident in our ability to do that and to do that in a way that is accretive to both TPG and the business that we acquire. Great. I'm afraid we're out of time. Todd, thank you so much for joining us today. Thank you. Really enjoyed it.