Earnings Call Transcript
Dime Community Bancshares, Inc. /NY/ (DCOM)
Earnings Call Transcript - DCOM Q1 2025
Operator, Operator
Good day and thank you for standing by. Welcome to Dime Community Bancshares Inc. First Quarter Earnings Conference Call. Before we begin, the company would like to remind you that discussions during this call contain forward-looking statements made under the Safe Harbor provisions of the U.S. Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Such statements are subject to risks, uncertainties, and other factors that may cause actual results to differ materially from those contained in any such statements, including as set forth in today's press release and the company's filings with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission, to which we refer you. During this call, references will be made to non-GAAP financial measures as supplemental measures to review and assess operating performance. These non-GAAP financial measures are not intended to be considered in isolation, or as a substitute for the financial information prepared and presented in accordance with the U.S. GAAP. For information about these non-GAAP measures and for reconciliation to GAAP, please refer to today's earnings release. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. After the speakers' presentation, there will be a question-and-answer session. Please note that today's conference may be recorded. I will now hand the conference over to your speaker, Mr. Stu Lubow, President and CEO. Please go ahead.
Stuart Lubow, CEO
Good morning and thank you, Shannon, and everyone for joining us for our first quarter earnings call. With me this morning is Avi Reddy, our CFO. In my remarks, I will discuss key highlights for the first quarter of 2025. Avi will then provide details on the quarter and thoughts for the remainder of the year. Core deposits increased by $1.3 billion year-over-year. The deposit teams hired since 2023 have built their deposit portfolios to $1.9 billion. This has enabled us to significantly reduce our reliance on brokered deposits and diminish our FHLB borrowing. We are making notable strides toward establishing a core deposit funded balance sheet. Our cost of deposits fell to 2.09% in the first quarter. Our net interest margin has risen for the fourth consecutive quarter, now in the 2.9% range. We have several catalysts for continued net interest margin growth in the medium to long-term, including a substantial back book loan repricing opportunity. Despite the current uncertain rate environment, we remain optimistic about our ongoing net interest margin improvement. Avi will elaborate on this in his remarks. On the lending side, we are adhering to our plan of increasing business loans while decreasing our CRE concentration. Business loans grew by over $60 million in the first quarter and more than $400 million year-over-year. Typically, the first quarter is our slowest for growth. We have rebuilt our loan pipeline since year-end, which currently stands at approximately $1.1 billion with an average yield of 7.22%. This is an increase from $750 million reported in January. Additionally, we have made several new hires who will contribute to our loan growth later in the year. Our core earnings capacity has significantly improved over the past year. Core pre-tax provision income was $46 million in the first quarter of 2025, compared to $28 million a year ago, resulting in a core ROA of 77 basis points for the quarter. Lastly, I want to address our recruiting efforts. There is considerable disruption in our local marketplace, and our recruiting pipelines are strong. As noted in our earnings release, we have added many bankers across the organization. This year's hiring has focused on enhancing both sides of the balance sheet. Many of you are likely familiar with Tom Geisel from the New York City banking area, who played a vital role in Sterling's growth and success. We expect Tom to be key to our ongoing transformation into a highly profitable commercial bank. Additionally, we have recently announced plans to expand into the Lakewood, New Jersey market. In conclusion, our business momentum is very strong as we continue executing our plan to grow business loans and core deposits. We have clearly distinguished our franchise from local competitors regarding our growth potential and ability to attract talented bankers. I look forward to the rest of 2025 and want to extend my gratitude to all our dedicated employees for their role in positioning the bank as the leading Business Bank of New York. I will now turn the call over to Avi.
Avi Reddy, CFO
Thank you, Stu. Excluding the impact of the previously mentioned legacy Bridgehampton National Bank pension plan termination, adjusted EPS was $0.57 per share. This represents a 36% linked-quarter increase and a 50% year-over-year increase. The reported NIM increased by 16 basis points and the NIM, excluding purchase accounting accretion, increased by 19 basis points to 2.94%. NIM expansion was driven by a significant reduction in our cost of deposits. We did have around three to four basis points of prepayment fees in the first quarter NIM. Excluding prepayment fees and purchase accounting, the NIM would have been around 2.90% for the first quarter. Non-brokered deposits were up approximately $65 million at March 31st versus year-end levels. As I mentioned on our fourth quarter earnings call, year-end 2024 deposits were inflated by approximately $200 million of title company-related deposits that were tied to a closing that left the bank in early January. Said differently, we grew non-brokered deposits by approximately $250 million this quarter versus year-end levels if you exclude the title company deposits from year-end totals. We continue to manage expenses prudently. Core cash operating expenses for the first quarter, excluding intangible amortization was $57.9 million. Non-core items for the first quarter included $7 million related to the previously disclosed termination of a legacy pension plan, which is now effectively complete. Non-interest income of $9.6 million for the first quarter reflected the full quarter impact of the BOLI repositioning transaction. We had a $9.6 million credit loss provision for the quarter. Net charge-offs to average loans decreased to 26 basis points and the allowance to loans increased to 83 basis points. Capital levels continue to grow and our common equity Tier 1 ratio increased to 11.1% and our total capital ratio grew to 15.7%. Having best-in-class capital ratios versus our local peer group allows us to take advantage of opportunities as they arise, and it speaks to Dime's strength and our ability to service our growing customer base. Next, I'll provide some thoughts on guidance for the remainder of 2025. As I mentioned previously, we had approximately three to four basis points of prepayment fee income in the first quarter NIM. Excluding this and purchase accounting accretion, the base NIM for the first quarter was closer to 2.90%. We would use this as a starting point for modeling going forward as we don't expect the prepayment fees to repeat in that size in the coming quarter. We expect the second quarter NIM to remain range bound within a plus or minus 3 basis point range of the 290 base NIM. While we don't have a lot of low-yielding repricing assets in the second quarter, starting in the second half of 2025, we have a meaningful increase in repricing assets and expect margin expansion to resume in the second half of the year. To give you a sense of the significant back book repricing opportunity in our adjustable and fixed rate loan portfolios, in the second half of 2025 and the full year 2026, we have $1.95 billion of adjustable and fixed rate loans across the loan portfolio at a weighted average rate of 4% that either reprice or mature in that time frame. Assuming a 225 basis point spread on those loans over the forward five-year treasury, we could see a 35 basis point increase in NIM from the repricing of these loans. As we look into the back book for 2027, we have another $1.75 billion of loans at a weighted average rate of 4.25% that will lead to continued NIM expansion in 2027. Moving on to the short end of the curve. When the Federal Reserve cut short-term rates in 2024, our NIM benefited by approximately 5 basis points for each 25 basis point rate cut. Should the Federal Reserve cut rates in the second half of 2025, we expect this trend to repeat, assuming the behavior in deposits and loans holds for each subsequent rate cut and competition remains rational. In summary, assuming the market consensus forward curve plays out, we have a path to a structurally higher NIM and enhanced earnings power over time. With respect to balance sheet growth, we expect net loans to remain relatively flat in the second quarter and growth to pick up in the back half of 2025. In the first quarter, attrition in CRE and multifamily masked the growth in our business loan portfolio. We expect this trend to moderate towards the end of 2025. In addition, as Stu mentioned, we have several new hires who once they find their feet will contribute to loan growth towards the end of the year. With respect to core cash non-interest expenses, our previous full year 2025 guidance was between $234 million to $235 million. The prior guidance was based on our existing employee base at the end of 2024. Given the hires we have outlined in the press release, we are increasing our full year core cash non-interest expense guidance to $236.5 million to $237.5 million. With that, I'll turn the call back to Shannon, and we'll be happy to take your questions.
Operator, Operator
Thank you. Our first question comes from the line of Steve Moss with Raymond James. Your line is now open.
Steve Moss, Analyst
Good morning.
Stuart Lubow, CEO
Hi, Steve.
Steve Moss, Analyst
Hi, Stu. Maybe just starting on the loan pipeline, as you mentioned, nice pickup here relative to where it was at year-end. Just curious the underlying mix within the loan pipeline?
Avi Reddy, CFO
The underlying mix of the loan.
Stuart Lubow, CEO
Yes. So I mean, again, it really continues the theme of C&I, owner-occupied CRE and healthcare. So at this point, we have about $350 million in C&I, approximately $185 million in owner-occupied CRE and another $250 million in healthcare. That's making up the bulk of the pipeline. We actually have about $200 million in loans approved waiting to close at a yield of about 7.25%.
Steve Moss, Analyst
Okay. Great. Appreciate that. And then you guys made a number of hires this quarter and obviously, a year ago with the Signature hires. Just curious in terms of how you're thinking about the pace of deposit growth and any updates around the cost of new deposits you guys are bringing on these days?
Avi Reddy, CFO
Yes, Steve. Regarding the teams, as mentioned by Stu, they currently have $1.9 billion in deposits. The total cost of these deposits, including DDA, is approximately $210 million. They are bringing in deposits with costs in the low 2% range, with a healthy mix of DDA making up about 35% to 40%. As I noted in the last earnings call, it typically takes teams about three to four years to reach a steady state, and most of our teams have been with us for around a year or two. In the previous call, Stu reported about 11,000 accounts and 7,000 customers, which has now increased to approximately 12,500 accounts and 7,800 customers. We are seeing steady growth in account openings. If we exclude the title company deposits that were withdrawn at the beginning of the year, our core deposits would have increased by around $250 million this quarter. Essentially, excluding brokered deposits, we increased deposits by $250 million. Typically, Q1 is slow for us, while Q2 begins with tax payments and starts to pick up around May to July. We are optimistic that we have the right channels in place to support our loan growth.
Stuart Lubow, CEO
Yes. We review our deposit and loan pipelines, and our deposit pipelines are very strong. So we're very encouraged.
Steve Moss, Analyst
Okay. Great. And then just one on the credit front here. Reserve build was maybe a little bit less than I was thinking this quarter. Just kind of curious, any updated thoughts and guidance around that?
Avi Reddy, CFO
Yes. We have kept the CECL model largely consistent with year-end levels, using Moody's March forecast. This quarter, total loans remained relatively flat or decreased slightly. As Moody's updates their forecast and we finalize more C&I and business loans, we expect a gradual increase in the provision over time. Our medium- to long-term target remains in the range of 90 basis points to 1%. However, predicting the provision for each individual quarter is challenging. As mentioned, we are on an upward trajectory over time.
Steve Moss, Analyst
Okay. Great. Nice quarter. Appreciate all the color here. Thanks.
Operator, Operator
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Mark Fitzgibbon with Piper Sandler. Your line is now open.
Mark Fitzgibbon, Analyst
Hey, guys. Good morning.
Stuart Lubow, CEO
Hi, Mark.
Mark Fitzgibbon, Analyst
Avi, it strikes me that you guys are carrying a relatively large cash balance at a little over $1 billion. Is that an opportunity for the margin as well? Do you think you could bring that cash level down over time? Is that the plan?
Avi Reddy, CFO
Yes. I think that's fair, Mark. However, I think like a lot of banks that had our profile two to three years back when rates went up 500 basis points. I think we're trying to run the balance sheet for the medium to longer term and have the right mix of floating rate assets and cash versus fixed rate assets. I know we're all gearing towards the Fed cutting rates. But we also just want to keep our ALM profile in check a little bit. And I think as we start putting on loans, some of that cash will get used up and also some of the loans that we're putting on are floating rate. But in the interim, we don't want to rush out to buy securities and help the net interest income in the near-term and hinder opportunities to grow loans in the longer-term. But you're exactly right. Historically, we used to run the balance sheet with $200 million to $300 million of cash. We're running it with a multiple of that at this point.
Mark Fitzgibbon, Analyst
Okay. Regarding the deposit situation, I understand there was a deliberate reduction of $137 million in brokered deposits this quarter. Given the limited loan growth in the early part of the year, was there a intentional strategy to slow down deposit growth, or is this just typical seasonal behavior?
Avi Reddy, CFO
Yes. A bit seasonal. First quarter is usually fairly weak. We have some seasonal tax receiver money as well go out. And then April is also a little weak just because of tax payments. But what we've tried to do, Mark, is really make sure that we have a keen discipline on the cost of deposits itself, right? So if there are new customers coming in at a rate in the mid-4s, we're really not taking that at this point. We're really trying to keep it sub-4s on money market and making sure the overall cost is $225 to $250 over time, we're comfortable operating with a loan-to-deposit ratio between 90% and 95%, plus or minus. So you are right. As the loan growth picks up, we can put the pedal to the metal a little bit more on the deposit side.
Stuart Lubow, CEO
We can manage our municipal portfolio more effectively now. We had a large municipal relationship with over $400 million in deposits, which carried relatively high costs because of the Fed funds rate. We asked them to move between $100 million and $150 million in those deposits to replace them with lower-cost business deposits that we had acquired. We have various options to manage our cost of funds and deposit flows. If we needed those funds back, we could certainly obtain them, and this is a long-standing relationship. These are the types of options we have now that we didn't always possess.
Mark Fitzgibbon, Analyst
Okay. Lastly, Stu, could you provide any details on the $8.7 million increase in non-owner-occupied commercial real estate this quarter? Was it due to one credit or a few credits? Was there anything noteworthy about it?
Avi Reddy, CFO
Yeah. Just one credit, Mark. So we actually had an exit of one credit that we previously identified the legacy bridge loan that we exited this quarter. So we took that out. And then we had one previously identified classified loan that we have. We have a purchase and sale agreement on that and we expect to exit that in the second quarter. So nothing systemic. It was one item, but we do expect that credit to be gone by the end of the second quarter.
Mark Fitzgibbon, Analyst
Thank you.
Operator, Operator
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Christopher O'Connell with KBW. Your line is now open.
Christopher O'Connell, Analyst
Hey, good morning.
Stuart Lubow, CEO
Hey, Chris. How are you?
Christopher O'Connell, Analyst
Hey, Stu. I wanted to follow up on the previous question regarding the credit and the purchase and sale agreement. Is that aligned with the anticipated purchase price in terms of either charge-offs or a specific reserve at this time?
Stuart Lubow, CEO
Yes.
Avi Reddy, CFO
Yes.
Christopher O'Connell, Analyst
Great. And then I was hoping just to dig in, you guys announced a number of hires over the course of the first quarter here that were highlighted in the release. And hoping to dig in on just production goals on both the loan and deposit side from the various teams and hires here. And I guess, with the updated expense guidance, just kind of a breakeven timeline.
Avi Reddy, CFO
I'll begin by addressing the second question. Typically, our experience shows that teams manage to break even on deposits within about six months due to the rapid influx of deposits. Often, teams secure a few franchise clients early on, allowing them to cover their costs quickly. However, the loan side requires a longer timeframe since transferring loans involves waiting for renewals and maturities. As Stu mentioned, this will accelerate our growth, particularly in the C&I and business sectors as we move into next year. This progress is expected to help us reach our goal of mid-single digit to high single-digit growth by 2026. It will take some time for these efforts to take effect, so we anticipate seeing contributions starting in late 2025 and into 2026.
Christopher O'Connell, Analyst
Okay. And I guess just without the production goals in place, just the breakdown percentage-wise of the new hires of what you think is deposit versus loan hires out of those in the first quarter?
Avi Reddy, CFO
Yeah, sure. So we hired one deposit team that's focused on the Queens market, so that one was specific. Just for deposits, we hired Jim Legato, who's focused on building out our presence in Manhattan. That's going to be on both the deposit and the loan side. We've hired Tom in our senior executive leadership role at the bank. Tom is focused on bringing on teams to help build out our C&I and owner-occupied franchises. So that's also on the loan side. And then Toni came to us from M&T. So she's focused on the loan side. So I'd say it's probably 70% to 80% focused on the loan side, at least the hires to date. I think that's consistent with what we said when we reported our last quarter earnings that focus on both sides of the balance sheet now as opposed to just the deposit side.
Christopher O'Connell, Analyst
Understood. And then just looking into the second quarter and some of the commentary on loans relatively flat and NIM, kind of, core NIM being a range bound around that 2.90%. Just hoping to flesh out the dynamics there on why you're not a little bit more bullish even before the significant asset repricing begins in the second half of 2025, mostly just given it sounds like the relatively strong pipeline at still, give or take, 200 basis points above the portfolio yield. And if there's not that much fixed asset repricing in Q2, I guess I would think that, that dynamic is driving loan yields higher into the second quarter, even without the fixed asset repricing beginning in the second half of the year?
Avi Reddy, CFO
Yeah, Chris. So what we said was 2.90% is the base NIM, and we expect to be plus or minus three to four basis points. So there is wiggle room up and down from that. I mean it's just a math exercise, right? If you close $200 million of loans in a quarter, you're probably going to get three basis points of NIM expansion out of that, just purely out of that piece. So we did take that into account. We only have around $100 million of loans that are repricing in the second quarter. So it does come down to what's coming off the books versus what's coming on, whereas, if you go to the second quarter of this year – sorry, the second half of this year, in the third quarter, for example, we have $400 million of loans that are repricing. So, it's a significant change in terms of that. And also, these loans that are coming off the books, they 3.50% to 4% plus. So, it's kind of addition by subtraction from that. So, we're focused on doing classic community commercial bank credits over here within the bank, and that's probably going to be 3 to 4 basis points, we think. So, I think we've provided a range on that. We just want to be thoughtful around the fact that April typically is when people pay taxes as well. So, it's going to take a little bit of time to build back deposits. So, we put all of that in there. I think the thing that I really focus on is really the destination on the NIM of where we think we're going to end up. If you factor in rate cuts, which may or may not happen, but if they do, will help us by 5 basis points. And then you take into account the volume of assets that are repricing, we're still, as Stu said, pretty bullish about the medium to longer term, getting to a NIM that's approaching the 3.50% area in 2027.
Stuart Lubow, CEO
Yes. And with the pipeline we have and the teams we brought on board, we're very, very excited about the opportunity. I think we are generally being somewhat conservative for the second quarter. It will be predicated upon our loan closings and how quickly these deals get through the pipeline. But we are excited about the second half of the year into 2026.
Christopher O'Connell, Analyst
Understood. Thanks, Avi. Thanks Stu. That’s all I have.
Avi Reddy, CFO
Thanks.
Operator, Operator
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Manuel Navas with D.A. Davidson. Your line is now open.
Manuel Navas, Analyst
Hey, good morning. Just wanted to, kind of, expand and hear more color on what could the Lakeland, New Jersey branch, kind of, add and kind of how much more activity could there be around that branch going forward in terms of hiring, things like that?
Stuart Lubow, CEO
Sure. That's in Lakewood, Central Jersey. We've already hired a private banker for that group in the area. It's a place I'm very familiar with and closely connected to the Brooklyn community. So, it serves as a natural starting point and our initial venture into New Jersey. I previously managed a bank in that area years ago, so I know it well. There is a substantial amount of deposit and loan opportunities available. We believed that as our first move, it was the right location because it aligns so well with our existing deposit base and customer base in Brooklyn.
Manuel Navas, Analyst
Okay. You talked a little bit about hiring pipeline staying high. Is there any other color you can add to what parts of the footprint are, kind of, have the most activity? And is it going to continue to be lending focused like the first quarter? Or is there still kind of some more deposit teams to come?
Avi Reddy, CFO
Yes, I believe it's a combination of both. We've identified opportunities for growth in Manhattan and New Jersey, as well as in some areas of Long Island. Everything will be within our current operations or in targeted regions we have chosen. We've made efforts to be very selective about what suits Dime best. Our client base has shown us what has been effective, so we are concentrating on strategies that benefit us. Additionally, it's crucial for the financials to align with our goals. We aim to ensure that new team members significantly impact our profitability within six to 12 months, and we intend to maintain that discipline moving forward.
Manuel Navas, Analyst
Can you speak a bit to the levels of competition in the region on those hires, first? And then just kind of across pricing on loan and deposits?
Stuart Lubow, CEO
Yes. I think other banks are interested in replicating our approach. They've noticed our success, and we've been the most effective among the institutions that have taken a more aggressive stance. Our method has been more targeted, focusing on the profitability of our teams, which has yielded positive results, as evident in our cost of funds and core deposit growth. Currently, the pricing environment seems rational, and some players who were previously offering irrational deposit pricing are now moderating, which is beneficial. Overall, from a loan and deposit perspective, pricing remains sensible. Even though we are not active in the market, multifamily pricing has decreased significantly. Overall, we are satisfied with the current rate environment, and the structure of our balance sheet is expected to be very profitable as we continue to adjust our pricing over time.
Manuel Navas, Analyst
I appreciate that. Thank you for the commentary.
Operator, Operator
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Matthew Breese with Stephens Inc. Your line is now open.
Matthew Breese, Analyst
Hey, good morning.
Stuart Lubow, CEO
Hey, good morning, Matt.
Matthew Breese, Analyst
I wanted to start with deposit costs and their trend, excluding any additional Fed cuts. The last time we spoke in January, the spot cost of deposits was between 2 and 205. The overall cost for the quarter was 209. There's been a slight increase. Should we interpret this in any way? Are we nearing the end of deposit cost reductions without further rate cuts?
Avi Reddy, CFO
No. So Matt, the way we typically operate with the deposit costs is we initially start by passing on the full amount to a lot of customers. And then over time, you have some customers that come back and say, hey, I got this other eight from other bank, can you match it, right? And we never match it, but sometimes you meet in between, right? So there's other banks that follow different strategies where they wait a month or two and cut differently. So I would say, look, as we bring in DDA into the bank, our goal is to keep deposit costs in that low 2% area. We do have some CDs on the balance sheet that are repricing lower. So as that happens, we will probably retaining 80% to 90% of the CDs that we have at this point. We probably have around $750 million of CDs left and the rates on those are probably 375-ish plus or minus. Those are probably repricing in the low 3s at this point. So there is some, but I would say the best environment for us is if the Fed cuts 25 basis points every three months, we'll have an opportunity then to pass on that to customers on the other side. But I would say, absent that, given the Fed cuts that have happened, we still have a CD book that we're repricing down. But beyond that, most of the cuts are in there.
Matthew Breese, Analyst
Got it. Okay. And then with all the tariff noise, have lending spreads, particularly on commercial real estate and C&I, have they changed at all to account for incremental risk? And what exposures on your book are you monitoring more carefully in light of the tariffs?
Stuart Lubow, CEO
It's a bit too early to determine any significant changes in lending spreads, especially concerning commercial real estate. We've conducted a thorough analysis of our portfolio and noted that we have minimal exposure to import/export or manufacturing, as well as limited retail and consumer segments, which are typically areas of concern. It remains early to assess how these factors will impact the overall economy, particularly in sectors like services and construction, which we are monitoring closely. We're also keeping an eye on line usage and related metrics, but it's still too soon to draw conclusions.
Matthew Breese, Analyst
Okay. Next one for me is just that we're just over the two-year mark for the Signature failure. Is that a significant milestone in any way? I'm thinking in terms of employee lockup agreements. Are there going to be more opportunities this year to hire teams and individuals in the wake of that?
Avi Reddy, CFO
No, I don't think so, Matt, in terms of specific lockup agreements. I mean, I can't comment on what the surviving bank there is doing. But I think for us, we identified early on what markets we wanted to augment. Obviously, there were certain areas of Long Island that we wanted to expand into Staten Island, Westchester. So for us, it's more market-based and who works for the business model that we have. There's still a lot of talented people over there. There's talented people at other banks, too. If you look at the hires that we've had year-to-date, they've come from multiple banks, right? It's not been just from one bank. So I think that the opportunity that was there 2 years back doesn't exist anymore. But there are talented people across the board here. And I think as they see the success that we've had, we're getting a lot of incoming calls going forward, not just from that bank, but from other banks as well.
Matthew Breese, Analyst
Understood. Okay. Two other quick ones for me. I don't know, if you addressed it in your opening comments, Avi, could you touch on the fee income guide for the year? I think it was $40 million to $42 million. Does that still hold?
Avi Reddy, CFO
Yeah. So this quarter, Matt, we didn't have any swap fee revenue. It was pretty close to zero. A lot of the deals got pushed to May and June type time frame. So if you took the Q1 number and you assume there was some moderate level of swaps in there, we would have been pretty close to that $40 million to $42 million guide for the full year. So we can still keep that for the full year at this point.
Matthew Breese, Analyst
Okay. And then you had mentioned just strong capital levels, particularly your CET1 ratio. Curious your thoughts on buybacks with the stock down where it is and potentially a slower growth environment. That's all I had. Thank you.
Avi Reddy, CFO
Yeah. Look, I mean, the corporate finance view is to be buying back stock at this point significantly. However, I just think given the overall environment, uncertainty with tariffs, things like that, it's important to have that, especially as we have this loan pipeline that we're looking to close. I mean, Tom's come on board to help us build out the C&I portfolio. So I think that little bit of excess capital is helpful right now. The other marker that we've set out there is to get our CRE ratio into the low 400s. We made further progress. This quarter, we're probably at 440 at the end of the quarter. So we'd like to see that decline a little bit as well. So you put that all together, we feel good with where we're at. At some point in latter half of this year into 2026, we'll probably revisit the buyback piece, but it's more from an optics and managing the environment as opposed to the intrinsic value in the stock.
Stuart Lubow, CEO
Yeah. And clearly, with our pipeline and the teams we brought on board and the individuals we brought on board, we think there's going to be an opportunity to deploy that capital in a meaningful way and improve earnings as well.
Matthew Breese, Analyst
That's all I had. Thank you.
Avi Reddy, CFO
Thanks, Matt. Appreciate it.
Operator, Operator
Thank you. And I'm currently showing no further questions at this time. I'd like to turn the call back over to Stuart Lubow for closing remarks.
Stuart Lubow, CEO
Thank you, Shannon, and thank you all for joining us today and to our dedicated employees and shareholders for their continued support. We look forward to speaking with you after the second quarter.
Operator, Operator
This concludes today's conference call. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect.