Earnings Call Transcript - FINW Q4 FY2025

Operator

Greetings, and welcome to the FinWise Bank Corp fourth quarter 2025 earnings conference call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. A question-and-answer session will follow the formal presentation. If anyone should require operator assistance, please press star zero on your telephone keypad. Also note that this conference is being recorded. It is now my pleasure to turn the conference over to Juan Arias. Thank you. You may be in.

Juan Arias, Head of Investor Relations

Good afternoon, and thank you for joining us today for FinWise Bankrupt's fourth quarter 2025 earnings conference call. Earlier today, we filed our earnings release and investor deck and posted them to our investor website at investors.finwisebankrupt.com. Today's conference call is being recorded and webcast on the company's investor website, as previously mentioned. On today's call, management's prepared remarks and answers to your questions may contain forward-looking statements that are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ from those discussed today. Forward-looking statements represent management's current estimates, expectations, and beliefs, and FinWise Bancorp assumes no obligation to update any forward-looking statements in the future. We encourage listeners to review the more detailed discussions related to these forward-looking statements, including factors that may negatively impact them, contained in the company's earnings press release and filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission. Hosting the call today are Kent Landvatter, Chairman and CEO, Jim Noon, Bank CEO, and Bob Wallman, CFO. Kent, please go ahead.

Kent Landvatter, Chairman

Good afternoon, everyone. FinWise delivered a strong 2025, growing net income 26% and posting a steady fourth quarter that demonstrates how our multi-year investments are gradually translating into tangible, sustainable results. The meaningful progress we've made in expanding and diversifying our revenue streams underscores both the durability of our business model and the momentum behind our long-term strategy. Specifically, during the fourth quarter, we delivered healthy revenue growth driven by balanced contributions from both fee and spread income. Additionally, our disciplined approach to expense management further strengthened profitability and supported continued growth in tangible book value per share, reinforcing the long-term value we are delivering to shareholders. Loan originations totaled a solid $1.6 billion in the fourth quarter, exceeding our initial guidance of $1.4 billion. This brings full-year 2025 originations to $6.1 billion, representing a healthy 22% year-over-year growth. Key drivers during the fourth quarter included strong originations from established partners and continued ramp in the maturation of programs launched in recent years. Partly offsetting this was the expected seasonal deceleration from our largest student lending partner. While quarterly loan originations will fluctuate with typical seasonality in certain quarters, we believe we have reached a higher and more sustainable level of quarterly production, supported by robust contributions from longstanding partners and newer relationships that continue to scale. We also experienced strong uptake of our credit-enhanced product, ending the quarter with balances of $118 million, exceeding both the $115 million outlook provided on our third quarter earnings call and our initial guidance of $50 to $100 million. This product is a core component of our lower-risk asset growth strategy, supported by a structure that requires fintech partners to maintain a deposit account at FinWise against which charge-offs are recovered. Turning to our bin and payments business, although ramp-up has been more measured than we initially anticipated, we remain confident in the long-term value proposition. Integrating these capabilities under one roof enhances our ability to win new partners, expand cross-sell opportunities, and deepen strategic relationships over time. While strategic partnerships with the lending focus remain our most profitable relationships, we are generating increased interest by also offering BIN and payment solutions. For example, some clients use our award-winning payments optimizer, MoneyRails, to process salary deduction repayments on FinWise-originated loans, while others are leveraging MoneyRails to fund transactions through RTP and FedNow, demonstrating the expanding utility and appeal of the platform. Ultimately, these ancillary services enable our partners to innovate faster, operate more efficiently, and compete more effectively, reinforcing FinWise as a true strategic partner, not just a regulatory gateway. We are also pleased to share that DreamFi, a strategic program agreement we announced last quarter, has officially launched. DreamFi is a startup financial technology company that will provide financial products and services to underbanked communities. Overall, our pipeline remains healthy and we remain in active discussions with several additional prospects. As we've mentioned before, the pace of new agreements can appear lumpy and timing may fluctuate, particularly with larger strategic opportunities. That said, each strategic partnership we secure has the potential to create outsized value. Under this one-to-many framework, a single partnership can drive substantial growth in portfolio balances and revenue, underscoring the inherent scalability and strength of our platform. On the AI front, given the high cost and rapid pace of change associated with early-stage AI development, a disciplined adoption approach remains the most effective strategy for FinWise. While we have already been using AI in areas such as coding, quality assurance, and BSA AML, the advances in generative AI are opening new opportunities for efficiency and automation. We are actively exploring opportunities to broaden the deployment of these capabilities across a company to drive efficiency and long-term value with a disciplined focus on safeguarding sensitive data through secure and controlled implementation. Lastly, while we will be disciplined in managing near-term performance, our priority remains building durable, long-term growth by pursuing opportunities that significantly enhance the company's future. We are confident in the outlook ahead and in our ability to deliver lasting value for our customers and shareholders with that let me turn the call over to jim noon our bank ceo thank you kent i'll shift now to provide an update

Jim Noone, CEO

on our credit quality on our sba business overall credit trends remain stable with performance aligning with our expectations and we remain disciplined and proactive in managing the the portfolio. On the SBA side, production pipelines remain healthy, secondary market premiums continue to be attractive, and we're executing operationally to support continued growth. Specifically during the quarter, we further refined our servicing and administrative standards, which resulted in accelerated classification of certain loans to non-performing status and earlier recognition of related charge-offs. As part of this refinement, we increased borrower thresholds required to qualify for a one-time short-term deferment. Management views these adjustments as a prudent, forward-looking enhancement to our risk management framework. Our portfolio continues to be strong and exhibits good performance. Quarterly net charge-offs were $6.7 million in Q4, compared to $3.1 million in the prior quarter. $1.5 million of the total NCOs were attributable to our Credit Enhanced Balance Sheet program. However, these losses are guaranteed, and FINWISE is reimbursed for any losses from the cash reserve each partner is required to maintain at FINWISE. Of the remaining $5.2 million in NCOs, $1.2 million was due to the updated servicing standards that we implemented in the quarter. Provision for loan losses were $17.7 million for the fourth quarter, compared to $12.8 million for the prior quarter. The increase was driven primarily by growth in the credit-enhanced loan portfolio, as well as higher net charge-offs, resulting from our updated servicing standards, which led to the accelerated classification of non-performing loans and charge-offs. As a reminder, the provision for credit losses associated with the credit-enhanced loan portfolio is different from the core portfolio provision because it's fully offset by the recognition of future recoveries pursuant to the partner guarantee described as credit enhancement income and our non-interest income. This quarter, we included a new table in the earnings press release that breaks out the total provision between the core portfolio and the Credit Enhanced Portfolio. Positively, during Q4, the net increase to our NPL balance was less than $1 million, bringing our total NPL balance to $43.7 million at the end of the quarter. This modest increase was mostly due to SBA 7A watch list and special mention loans migrating to classified status. And compares to our guidance on our prior call that $10 to $12 million in balances could migrate to NPL during Q4. The lower-than-potential migration reflects the team's proactive efforts in disposing of collateral securing NPLs. Of the $43.7 million in total NPL balances, $24.2 million, or 55%, is guaranteed by the federal government, and $19.5 million is unguaranteed. Quarterly SBA 7A loan originations decreased quarter over quarter. primarily due to extended SBA processing delays resulting from staffing cuts at the SBA, with additional impact from the government shutdown. During the quarter, we took advantage of attractive secondary market premiums to increase sales of the guaranteed portion of our SBA loans, particularly after the government's reopening in November, which contributed to elevated gain-on-sale income. We will continue to follow our strategy of selling guaranteed portions of our SBA loans as long as market conditions remain favorable. Following the government's reopening in late November, the environment for SBA loan originations has normalized, with turnaround times returning to more typical levels. Notably, our SBA guaranteed balances and strategic program loans held for sale, both of which carry lower credit risk, collectively accounted for 34% of the total portfolio at the end of Q4, underscoring the lower risk composition of our loan book. I will now turn the call over to our CFO, Bob Wollman, to provide more detail on our financial results.

Bob Wahlman, CFO

Thanks, Jim, and good afternoon, everyone. FinWise reported net income of $3.9 million for the fourth quarter and diluted earnings per share of $0.27. Key drivers during the fourth quarter included a notable increase in loan originations and a significant rise in credit-enhanced balances, both greater than our expectations. Fourth quarter results were also impacted by an increase in net charge-offs, in part stemming from the previously mentioned refinement of our servicing and administration standards. The higher net charge-offs resulted in a higher provision for credit losses on our traditional banking portfolio, which negatively impacted our Q4 net income by $1.1 million after taxes. Net interest income grew to $24.6 million from the prior quarter's $18.6 million, primarily due to the increase in the bank's credit-enhanced balances in the held-for-investment portfolio of $76.5 million. The credit-enhanced loans carry a higher contractual interest rate. The higher interest income is partly offset by higher average balances in the certificates of deposits used to fund the loan portfolio growth. Net interest margin increased to 11.42% compared to 9.01% in the prior quarter. The increase is largely attributable to the credit-enhanced portfolio growth of $76.5 million. As a reminder, we suggest thinking about our net interest margin in two distinct ways, including and excluding excess credit-enhanced income. When including excess credit-enhanced income, we anticipate the margin to increase, supported by the continued expansion of our credit-enhanced loan portfolio and strategic efforts to lower our cost of funding. Conversely, excluding excess credit-enhanced income, we anticipate a gradual decline in margin consistent with our ongoing risk reduction strategy. The effect of the credit-enhanced income on net interest margin is included in our gap-to-non-gap disclosures at the end of the earnings release. We also posted solid non-interest income of $22.3 million compared to the prior quarter's $18 million. The growth was primarily due to increases in credit enhancement income driven by our higher credit-enhanced loan balances outstanding at year-end 2025. Partly offsetting the rise in non-interest income was a decrease in strategic program fees due to lower origination volumes. As a reminder, credit enhancement income offsets the provision for credit losses on credit-enhanced loans dollar for dollar. As a result, when the provision expense and the credit enhancement income are considered together, they offset and result in no effect on our profitability. Non-interest expense was $23.7 million compared to $17.4 million in the prior quarter, primarily due to increases in credit enhancement guarantee and servicing expenses, resulting from the growth in credit enhanced loan portfolio. As a reminder, credit enhancement guarantee and servicing expenses are amounts FinWISE owes to the strategic partners with credit enhanced programs for their servicing and guarantee activities. The reported efficiency ratio for the quarter was 50.5% versus 47.6% in the prior quarter. Importantly, we continue to generate solid balance sheet growth with total end-of-period assets reaching $977 million. The increase was primarily due to continued growth in the company's cash balances deposited at the Fed, loans held for investment, and an increase in the credit enhancement asset. Average interest-bearing deposits were $567.4 million compared to $523.9 million in the prior quarter. The increase was primarily in certificates of deposit, which were added to fund loan growth, and an increase in non-interest-bearing demand deposits, primarily related to collateral deposits by certain strategic programs that anticipated increased volumes due to typical seasonality in student loan funding in January 2026, which increased our balance sheet liquidity. Let me provide forward outlook on some key metrics, as we've done in prior quarters. Loan originations for Q1-2026. Originations through the first four weeks of January are tracking at a quarterly run rate of approximately $1.4 billion. Loan originations for full year 2026. We remain comfortable using $1.4 billion in quarterly originations as our baseline, as it normalizes for student lending seasonality. Annualizing this level and applying a 5% growth rate provides a reasonable outlook for originations for full year 2026. Credit enhanced balances for full year 2026. We remain comfortable with organic growth in credit enhanced balances of $8 to $10 million on average per month for 2026, but could see some variability between months. SBA loan sales. While we don't provide a specific outlook, we will continue to follow our strategy of selling guaranteed portions of our SBA loans as long as market conditions remain favorable. Quarterly net charge-offs We anticipate that approximately $3.5 million in net charge-offs for our non-credit-enhanced loans is a good quarterly number to use in your models. Non-performing loan balances for Q126 We think there is potentially as much as $10 million in watchlist loans that could migrate to NPL in Q126. We continue to expect a gradual moderation in NPL migration as loans underwritten in lower interest rate environments continue to season, though the migration may be lumpy. Net Interest Margin We remain comfortable with our prior outlook that when including credit-enhanced balances, the margin is projected to increase, supported by the continued expansion of our credit-enhanced loan portfolio and strategic efforts to lower our cost of funding. This upward trend is expected to persist until growth in these balances begins to moderate. Conversely, excluding excess credit-enhanced income, we anticipate a gradual decline in margin consistent with our ongoing risk reduction strategy. Efficiency ratio We remain focused on driving sustainable, positive operating leverage with a long-term goal of steadily lowering our core efficiency ratio. That said, there may be periods in which the efficiency ratio may rise. Tax rate While multiple factors may influence the actual tax rate, we suggest using 26% in your modeling. With that, we would like to open the call for Q&A.

Operator

Operator? Thank you. And with that, we will now be conducting a question and answer session. If you'd like to ask a question, please press star 1 on your telephone keypad. Confirmation tone will indicate that your line is in the question queue. You may press star 2 to remove yourself from the queue. For any participants using speaker equipment, it may be necessary to pick up the handset before pressing the star keys. One moment while we poll for questions. And our first question comes from the line of Brett Ravitan with Hopti. Please proceed with your question.

Brett Rabatin, Analyst — Hootout Capital Partners

Hey, guys. This is Anya speaking on behalf of Brett. I was just wondering if you guys feel there's any opportunities to lower CD funding costs in the next few quarters.

Bob Wahlman, CFO

In regards to CD funding costs, as we've noted, we are dependent upon wholesale funding. And that wholesale funding cost tends to move with the Fed, and the Fed's movement of the interest rate. So as the Fed reduces interest rates, we would expect to see a like-type decrease. That will be blended in over time because we tend to run with CD maturities between three months and one year. So, we would expect a benefit from those decreases, but at a gradual rate. And we should be blending in some benefit from past rates over the next couple of quarters yet, too.

Brett Rabatin, Analyst — Hootout Capital Partners

Thank you. And, you know, do you guys have any thoughts on the progression of money rails and the BIN sponsorship potential later this year?

Kent Landvatter, Chairman

Yes, as far as – let me speak first to the deposits since Bob kind of teed that off. We're still very confident in our strategy on BIN payments, though the timing may be pushed out beyond our initial expectations. But just as a reminder, we never want to rely or over-rely on just one partner as a source of funding. So regardless of who they are, so our policies limit concentration on funding from one party, which means there were chunks of the broker deposits that we were replacing, but only to a certain concentration limit. So we don't think it's going to be hugely impactful this year.

Kent Landvatter, Chairman

We think more of that will come through next year.

Brett Rabatin, Analyst — Hootout Capital Partners

Thank you, Lynn. Last one for me, but, you know, any thoughts on the SBA business this year and, you know, whether management might be more or less aggressive with originations given the environment?

Jim Noone, CEO

Hey, Anya, this is Jim. You know, SBA demand continues to be really solid in the pipeline and versus last year. Originations for us were down a little bit in the quarter. But that was really just a timing delay from the shutdown rather than a demand issue. And we had a nice pickup in closings already in January. So overall, I'd say we have good demand from everything we see. Small business confidence is stable to rising. So we feel good about the SBA business right now.

Brett Rabatin, Analyst — Hootout Capital Partners

Thank you. Appreciate it. That's all for me.

Kent Landvatter, Chairman

Thank you.

Operator

And our next question comes from the line of Joe Yinchunas with Raymond James. Please proceed with your question.

Kent Landvatter, Chairman

Good afternoon. Thank you, Joe.

Joe Yinchunas, Analyst — Raymond James

So I was hoping to kind of circle back with deposits here. So it looks like period end, non-inspirating deposits increased pretty nicely this quarter, while average balance has declined a bit. Was this surge in deposits related to credit enhancement loans kind of coming on at the end of the period?

Bob Wahlman, CFO

The surge in deposits resulted from, resulted from certain of our strategic partners that are making student, facilitating student loans in anticipation of increase on the student loans and the requirement to maintain collateral equal to the hold that we have on those loans, that they deposited significant funds at the end of the quarter. So those funds will be held during the period of time that they have the higher origination volume, and then as that origination volume goes down, we expect that they will take those funds

Joe Yinchunas, Analyst — Raymond James

back away from us. Okay, that's helpful. And then, did I hear you correctly on your strategic, sorry, your origination guidance? It was, you know, annualized $1.4 billion, which is kind of the quarter-to-date run rate and kind of growth by 5%? Because if so, that kind of points to a decline year over year, and I was just wondering what you would

Jim Noone, CEO

kind of attribute that to. Yeah, that's the baseline, Joe, that we put out as far as modeling guidance was to, you know, once you strip away the seasonality associated with student lending, $1.4 billion is a good baseline and then apply a 5%, you know, growth factor on that. And that's what we put out there because it takes away the seasonality of student lending.

Joe Yinchunas, Analyst — Raymond James

Is there any reason to think the seasonality in student lending wouldn't return in 2021? where you would get that big 3Q uptick?

Jim Noone, CEO

There is no reason to think that the seasonality would not return. So it very likely would continue in the same seasonal fashion.

Joe Yinchunas, Analyst — Raymond James

Okay, I appreciate that. Switching over to kind of recontracting, I was hoping you could discuss that a little bit. How has the recontracting process gone with existing partners, and is there any, like, slug of notable contracts up for renegotiation this year?

Jim Noone, CEO

Yeah, recontracting, just historically, has gone really well at FinWise. You know, we've got 15 lending partners. I think, you know, since we started this business in 2016 and have been, you know, operating without interruption, any type of regulatory issues, you know, since that time. I think we've had three partners in total that, for one reason or another, kind of matriculated out of their partnership. Two of them were during COVID. They were commercial lenders that kind of went into COVID, you know, I would say challenged and closed. So it wasn't anything in the partnership. It was really a business model and a business model issue for them. The third was one of our original partners back in like 2017 that we just never saw eye to eye on what the sponsorship relationship looked like. So we've been very fortunate in the partners that we've selected and I think have generally had really good relationships with them. You know, those contracts are generally three to four year initial terms with two year, you know, renewal terms on each of them. And so they're staggered. Every year there's a handful that come up for renewal. but there's nothing I would point you to as far as concerns.

Kent Landvatter, Chairman

And then last one for me here,

Joe Yinchunas, Analyst — Raymond James

there's been an increase in discussions around fintech sitting around bank charters. And, you know, what's your take on this trend and how it could impact both, you know, FinWise and the sponsor bank industry as a whole?

Kent Landvatter, Chairman

Yeah, I'll take that one. We watch that pretty closely, actually. There's a lot of fintech charters out there, as you know. There's also some here in Utah, some applications as well. But as we've said in the past, a banking charter is not really the best option for all fintechs. You know, of course, larger, well-established fintechs would be more interested than smaller fintechs. But any fintech looking at considering a charter would have to go through seriously how that would impact their vision, culture, innovation cycles, and so forth. But for FinWise specifically, we've always thought of our partners in terms of a bell curve. Some of the most successful partners continually are those kind of in the middle of the bell curve where they put up results, really good results year after year, but probably aren't interested in growing to a size where they would need a bank charter. Some of those partners that are in the right side of the bell curve that are outperformers as far as volume goes, yeah, I would imagine some of them are looking at those. But one thing that we've tried to impress on everyone in the past is we built a scalable platform that allowed us to continually pursue new partnerships. And so, you know, we just plan for partners going away and partners coming on. And as Jim said right now, we've got 15, and we feel good about two to three a year still.

Joe Yinchunas, Analyst — Raymond James

Okay, and then, you know, one more for me here. So I understand that you'll continue to add two to three new partners a year, But can you talk a little bit about the success or, you know, planned initiatives to try to cross-sell products with existing partners? And then just to kind of piggyback off that, and I may have missed this in the materials, how much volume is currently running through Money Rails?

Kent Landvatter, Chairman

Okay, we don't disclose that. It's the last question. We don't disclose that, but it's becoming more meaningful. You know, usually the way a partner launches is we get the launch going, and then it scales over the next three quarters or so, let's say. And so we're seeing decent volumes from a couple partners, but, you know, we anticipate those will grow. But what we're finding in this space right now, and especially as regards bin and payments, is for this to make sense as a standalone product, you need partners that can generate significant volumes. And the sales cycle for these guys just takes more time. But what we've really found that's a nice surprise is how providing these capabilities to existing partners It doesn't require the same levels of scale since they're add-on products that provide incremental income, and they already fit within our oversight regime here. And one of the things we're really excited about is we're attracting newer or different partners that have a greater need for all these products. For example, Tally, we signed last year, and they've been a big contributor, but we signed them as a card sponsor, a partner, but we're also adding the credit-enhanced balance sheet flexibility for them, which really gives us upside and allows them to operate, you know, better regarding their funding. And so, does that help?

Kent Landvatter, Chairman

Yeah, that was very helpful. Thank you for taking my questions.

Operator

Thank you. And our next question comes from the line of Andrew Terrell with Stephens, Inc. Please proceed with your question.

Kent Landvatter, Chairman

Hey, good afternoon. Hey, good afternoon.

Andrew Terrell, Analyst — Stephens Inc.

um maybe if i could start just on the um you guys referenced 10 million dollars of um watch list loans that you know you were you were contemplating could maybe migrate to the non-performer here in the first quarter so i guess the question is would this require an incremental provision expense or do you feel like those were already kind of taken care of as part of the you know, SBA kind of cleanup that occurred this quarter?

Jim Noone, CEO

Yeah, so let me – hey, Andrew, this is Jim. Let me just, like, break them up into two things. So you've got the – so credit chains generally are stable. We continue to see really good performance kind of across all segments of the portfolio. You know, Bob mentioned in the prepared remarks that we did have a change to the servicing procedures at the beginning of Q4. Let me just give you some color on what that was. So, historically, you know, we followed SBA guidelines, and our procedures allowed a single three- or six-month deferment to stressed borrowers. In October, after having completed a review of the performance of those borrowers, we updated the service ring requirements to require full re-underwriting at the time of the deferment request in order to qualify for that. So, as a result, the level of NCOs in the quarter accelerated. It was appropriate to implement that proactively after we got the results of the back test and to kind of proactively manage any of those stressed accounts. But we do not expect that level of NCOs from the core portfolio again in the near term and continue to believe that 3.5 million is the right number for modeling. When you asked about the 10 million potential migration in Q1, I would just point back that, you know, it is lumpy. We've kind of guided, you know, over the last probably 18 months or so to kind of that $10 to $12 million number, and you've had quarters come in well below that, and you've had a couple quarters that were closer to the actual number. It's lumpy, and so the number that we're guiding to right now is up to $10 million, but like you saw in this most recent quarter, you know, just shy of $1 million migrated, even though we guided to $12 million.

Andrew Terrell, Analyst — Stephens Inc.

Got it. Okay. No, I appreciate all the extra color there. Just on overall kind of net balance sheet growth, I know you guys guide the credit enhance eight to 10 million a month, maybe a little bit of lumpiness in there. I guess I was surprised that the SBA was down so much this quarter and kind of offsets some of what was really strong growth in credit enhanced. I'm just trying to get a sense of when we think about overall balance sheet growth, is this a floor in the SBA book? Will you look to build it from here alongside the credit enhanced, or should we think about that as stable, continuing to decline, just to help us get a sense of where the net balance sheet goes?

Bob Wahlman, CFO

So, Andrew, this is Bob. So, I think the net balance sheet will continue to grow. The fourth quarter was a bit of an aberration for different reasons. And because of the market conditions, we accelerated and stepped up the SBA loan sales. I think that looking towards the future, that we expect the SBA loan sales to more or less be approximate equal to the origination volume. So the overall SBA level should stay flat on the guaranteed side. As it relates to the rest of the portfolio, we will continue to see growth in leasing and our other products, but we'll see most of the growth coming from – we expect to see most of the growth coming from the credit-enhanced portfolio along the lines that Jim had talked about earlier, the $8 million to $10 million per month organic growth.

Andrew Terrell, Analyst — Stephens Inc.

Yeah, okay. And okay, so more of a stable SBA portfolio. Yeah, and maybe this is too technical of a question, but I'm just comparing the net interest income, you know, up six or so sequentially. the credit-enhanced guarantee and servicing expenses were up, you know, a kind of commensurate amount. I'm assuming that the kind of mismatch here is just the one-time maybe aberration or SBA loan stepping down and not reflective of just a significantly lower level of profitability in

Kent Landvatter, Chairman

the credit-enhanced business. Is that fair? I'm not fully sure I understand the following

Bob Wahlman, CFO

the question. I would note that the credit enhanced portfolio did grow significantly during the period to over $70 million and that the level of profitability that we generated from that remained a constant. You know, the real event for the income for this year is the for this quarter was the the $1.5 million charge to the provision account related to what we call the core portfolio. That would include the SBA portfolio. That considered the higher charge-offs and the factors as it related to the servicing and administration of that portfolio that Jim had talked about at length. That was the real drag in the period.

Andrew Terrell, Analyst — Stephens Inc.

okay um fair enough and then on the on the expense side um you know it sounds like you guys are looking at or maybe have some opportunities um on the technology kind of implementation front um and you know with that or even outside of that i'm just curious how you're thinking about you know pace of expense growth um you know holding aside the the guarantee expense and kind of servicing expense, just kind of the core expense lines?

Bob Wahlman, CFO

So, as it relates to expense lines, we think that the $16 million would be a good starting point from the quarterly run rate for the non-credit enhanced operating expenses. So, as we go into 2026, and then we would, as we expand the business, as you would see the assets grow, It may be that we need to hire some additional people, but we do think that our revenues will increase roughly two times faster than our expenses, so I have a positive operating leverage ratio. That's kind of how we're seeing those factors.

Andrew Terrell, Analyst — Stephens Inc.

Okay. Great. Well, thank you guys for taking the questions.

Operator

thank you i will now turn it over to juan areas as there seems to be a few questions that came in

Juan Arias, Head of Investor Relations

via email thank you operator um yeah we did get two questions via email uh the first one can you clarify if the impact from what you are describing as refinement of servicing and and Administrative Standards is a one-time item? And did this cost you approximately $0.08 in earnings per share in Q4?

Bob Wahlman, CFO

Certainly. The after-tax net income, the way that we're looking, the way that we calculate it, but the after-tax income from that increased provision related to these changes that Jim had gone through was down $1.1 million on that provision for loan losses on that core portfolio, or $0.08 a share. The $1.1 million after-tax provision resulted primarily from, as I said before, the higher charge-offs. And then again, as Jim explained in his comments, the driver for the 4Q's increased provision was that acceleration of the charge-offs because of the changes in the servicing and administration standards that were applied to that core portfolio, particularly the SBA portfolio in Q4 and should be viewed as a one-time event.

Juan Arias, Head of Investor Relations

And the second question was, can you please provide additional examples of how you're using AI?

Kent Landvatter, Chairman

Yeah, I'll take that one.

Kent Landvatter, Chairman

We're actually pretty excited about the possibilities of AI right now, especially now that the cost entry point is so much lower than it has been in the past few years. But as mentioned on the calls, We've been using AI for coding, quality assurance, BSAA, ML, and so forth. But with recent advances in agentic AI, along with lowering the cost entry point, we think there's some additional lifts that we can find in compliance, operations, and areas where automation can drive efficiency. So, we're focusing really intently on that area, you know, specifically things such as policy alignment and regulatory compliance. It's something that would really be helped through AI as well as cybersecurity fraud detection. But I think most importantly right now, analyzing and automating the workflows at the bank.

Juan Arias, Head of Investor Relations

All right. Operator, that was the last question that came in via email.

Operator

Okay. Great. Well, thank you, and thank you, ladies and gentlemen. This does now conclude today's teleconference. We thank you for your participation, and you may disconnect your lines at this time, and have a wonderful day. Thank you.