Conference Transcript - DOW 2026-06-09

Mike Sison, Analyst — Wells Fargo

Yeah, good morning everyone. This is Mike Sisson with Wells Fargo. I cover the ever-exciting chemical industry for the company, which has outperformed the S&P 500. You know, our coverage universe is up 14% year-to-date versus the S&P 500 up 8%. You know, Dow has been exceptional. It's kept well-paced above the sector, up 45% year-to-date now at $34 or so. But note that During the pandemic, Winter Storm Uri, the stock, hit a decade high of near $70. Today, we have Jeff Tate, CFO Dow, to tell us how we can get back to those levels and why it's much more exciting than some dinky little space IPO coming at the end of this Jeff, thanks for spending time with us. I know you wanted to open up with some opening remarks.

Jeff Tate, CFO

Yeah, thanks, Mike, and appreciate the opportunity to be here. So before we get into the Q&A, I'd just like to share some insights on the current macroeconomic backdrop, as well as Dow's execution, as well as our financial position. So on the macro side, you know, global demand across our key end markets remains largely consistent with our prior updates and the supply picture continues to favor both Dow as well as the industry. On execution, all three of Dow's operating segments are performing well as the second quarter progresses and as it relates to our financial position, Dow's balance sheet is solid and our self-help actions were designed to build a more agile and resilient company that outperforms peers across the cycle. So turning to slide two, let me start with a macro backdrop. You know, we're continuing to characterize the current environment as relatively stable on the demand side, but increasingly constrained and more complex on the supply side. So far this quarter, we are seeing higher volumes when compared to the same period over the past several years, and specific to global polyethylene, which goes into essential applications like packaging for food preservation, demand remains resilient. And this is evidenced by our strong pricing actions continuing to take hold. Additionally, we are seeing stability in both consumer and infrastructure applications, largely due to typical seasonal demand uplifts that we expected. And while some reports are showing subdued consumer confidence in many regions, purchasing patterns tell a different story. Retail spending for do-it-yourself and coatings-related applications is stable going into traditionally high seasonal periods. Now, the one area that is showing signs of declining demand since April is across automotive markets, as consumers continue to delay large purchases. And while high fuel prices are driving some increased interest in electric vehicles, we have not yet seen that translate into increased sales. Now, in terms of supply dynamics, a meaningful portion of global oil, ethylene, and polyethylene capacity remains offline, constrained, or otherwise disrupted as a result of the ongoing conflict in the Middle East. Now, given the scale of these supply constraints, we believe the fundamentals are increasingly supportive of tighter near-to-medium-term markets. So, a conflict resolution and subsequent reopening of the Strait of Hormuz would begin to restore supply, but the impact would not reverse overnight. With capacity disruptions and inventories depleted, it will take several quarters for supply chains to normalize and inventories to rebuild. Additionally, significant infrastructure across the Middle East has been damaged, prolonging the impact of the conflict further out than the timing of any potential resolution. Rapidly escalating petrochemical prices have led to cautious buying behavior in select areas, which is to be expected. Global oil inventories are also rapidly declining, reaching multi-year lows following a large build throughout 2025. And as we enter peak demand season, stockpiles are being drawn down at a record pace, and the world is quickly approaching operational floor levels. The Americas, however, remain advantaged. Dow continues to benefit from strong feedstock availability in the region well-supplied natural gas markets and elevated oil to gas spreads reinforcing the region's structural cost advantage and increasing export opportunities so in summary demand remains largely stable and supply dynamics remain constructive over time this combination should further support the current constructive pricing and margin environment now turning to slide three constructive industry dynamics paired with our differentiated portfolio positions down well to capture meaningful earnings upside both from an operational and commercial standpoint we've already seen positive momentum from our global pricing actions but with that it's important to note that pricing still remains below prior peak levels despite what with what we would characterize as an unprecedented supply environment. So there is a disconnect between supply disruption and full price realization, which we expect to continue improving over time. And this was evidenced in April when pricing in many parts of the portfolio settled stronger than consultant forecasts. In our largest operating segment, packaging and specialty plastics, Next, roughly 80% of our portfolio is tied to higher value, more resilient applications. Global polyethylene demand remains robust, especially in the Americas. And while we saw some pre-buying activity in Asia and Europe, it has been followed by normal customer purchasing behavior. Additionally, we have seen no change globally in our order books regarding order cancellations, which is a positive sign of underlying demand and support for future margin stability. In addition to the price increase that was implemented in April, we have a 20-cent price increase announced for the month of June, supported by industry market dynamics and historically tight supply. At the same time, we're maintaining flexibility on our asset base, including progressing planned maintenance on our Tunusian III cracker, our lowest-cost asset in the European region, which we anticipate restarting this month. The work was completed on budget and on an adjusted timeline that supported both idling of the asset in mid-2025 and a subsequent restart in line with the regional market demand. And in our industrial, intermediates, and infrastructure segment, supply-demand dynamics remain constructive, Supporting positive pricing momentum across key value chains, and our order books for the segment are strong relative to prior periods. Performance materials in coatings is entering a seasonally stronger demand period, especially in coatings, where we expect both near-term volume growth and margin expansion. Additionally, we are making significant progress against one of our largest near-term self-help actions, The shutdown of our higher-cost Siloxane's unit in Barrie, United Kingdom, which we began last month. The team executed the work safely, on budget, and several weeks ahead of schedule. So looking across the entire Dow portfolio, our key differentiators continue to be our feedstock flexibility in Europe, our geographic and asset integration, especially in the cost-advantaged americas and the agile regional supply chains we've built in every business that allow us to adapt and respond quickly that combination allows us to capture upside when conditions improve while maintaining discipline during periods of volatility going forward we're focused on executing with discipline driving pricing in every business and in every geography and leveraging our structural advantages to deliver consistent performance. So with all the puts and takes, we expect to deliver second quarter earnings of approximately $2.2 billion, which is above current consensus and roughly 10% above our prior guidance. This is largely driven by continued resilience in polyethylene demand and pricing, as well as margin upside in industrial, intermediates, and infrastructure. So next, I'll close on slide four with our financial priorities. We are maintaining Dow's strong liquidity position with approximately $14 billion available at the end of first quarter. And we have no substantive debt maturities until 2029, giving us significant flexibility to navigate near-term volatility while focusing on long-term value creation. Our capital allocation framework also remains consistent, beginning first and foremost with enabling safe and reliable operations. We also remain focused on maintaining our investment-grade credit rating, funding our operations and our growth, and returning cash to shareholders over time. And in the near term, we intend for any incremental cash to be directed towards deleveraging. We're also implementing discipline trade-offs to improve working capital and maximize cash generation as earnings recover, which is a critical lever in this environment. At the same time, we're executing on a number of self-help actions that are expected to deliver meaningful benefits this year. As a reminder, this includes delivering the remaining approximately $500 million from our 2025 cost savings program. program, and importantly, we expect to materially complete this program by the end of this quarter. It also includes approximately $500 million in growth and productivity benefits from transform to outperform, and we expect to realize approximately $100 million in additional benefits from the completion of our prior growth investments and our portfolio actions. These actions are not just focused on cost. They represent structural improvements that enhance our long-term agility, lower our cost base, and drive earnings growth across the cycle. So to summarize, Dow is well-positioned operationally, supported by a strong and flexible balance sheet, and a team that is executing on clear and intentional self-help levers. All of this enables us to capture earnings upside while driving long-term value for our shareholders. So with that, Mike, I'm happy to take your questions.

Mike Sison, Analyst — Wells Fargo

Great. Thanks, Jeff. We have about four hours for questions, I'm sure.

Jeff Tate, CFO

Looking forward to them.

Mike Sison, Analyst — Wells Fargo

I'm joking. But anybody on the webcast, I am live on Bloomberg Messenger. If you do have a question, just send it to me. But I guess, Jeff, let's start with the better than expected 2Q, a little bit, $200 million better than your initial guidance. Any color between the segments or the business units that is driving that upside?

Jeff Tate, CFO

Sure, Mike. You know, even when we announced our earnings back at the end of April, you know, one of the things that we did highlight is that we saw more potential upside than we did downside to our original guide, which is $2 billion. And in that original guide, you know, there were two key things that we felt like there could be that upside that have come to fruition. And we're seeing this materialize really across the entire portfolio. But two things really stand out, obviously the strong pricing momentum that we captured not only from the 10 cent in March, but also the 30 cents in April that we were capturing, which was higher than consultant forecasts at the time. Consultant forecasts were projecting 20 cents for April, and so capturing that 30 cents gave us a little bit more upside. But we also, in our industrial intermediates and infrastructure segment, because of tightness that you continue to see in the industry on supply, I've seen both polyols and MDI really capture some of that upside for 2Q as well. So when you think about it, you know, consensus right now is at $2.1 billion, which more than likely captured a lot of that polyethylene pricing for April. But then that additional upside that we're seeing above consensus right now is really driven by what we're seeing coming out of our II&I segment for both polyols

Mike Sison, Analyst — Wells Fargo

in MDI. We've seen price increases in MDI and the polyol side. Benzene's up though a lot. Is it the spread that has improved or is demand a little bit better? Well, I would say obviously we're going

Jeff Tate, CFO

into a higher demand season right here. And for us, and this is more of an overall Dow statement, you know, for second quarter, June is really that peak demand month for us, where we capture about 40% of our volume during the month of June for the second quarter so we're going to be going into that ramp of the high seasonal volumes in June while at the same time capturing a lot of the pricing activity that we had already in the market price and marketplace for II&I a lot of that driven again by the

Mike Sison, Analyst — Wells Fargo

tightness of supply. And then following up on on polyethylene I get a lot of questions of why is polyethylene demand strong consumer seems to be challenged right now with inflation you had mentioned polyethylene demand is still pretty strong so

Jeff Tate, CFO

maybe a little bit color there so when you think about you know and this is specific for dow you know let's look at even going back to you know the makeup of our portfolio where we're continuing to see resiliency on flexible food and specialty packaging from an in-market application standpoint but if you want to maybe double click out a little bit let's just look at april acc the ACC North American data. There are a couple of data points there that really prove out what we're seeing in terms of the demand. April on total sales was the fifth highest month from an April standpoint, okay? Domestic sales were the third highest month on record. Exports set a new April monthly record, which was 17% year over year improvement. Operating rates remain strong. operating rates for April out of the ACC data were 94.4%. And we saw inventories down another 23 million pounds coming out of that April ACC data. So you look at the market dynamics, you look at what we saw with a really strong April, we look at our order books obviously, and as mentioned in my prepared remarks, we haven't seen any letoff in demand there. So you combine the ACC data for both March and April, looking at our order books, seeing the resiliency that we've continue to see across the portfolio of polyethylene, demand continues to be healthy for us as we

Mike Sison, Analyst — Wells Fargo

continue to go through the quarter. Got it. And then maybe we can step back a little bit. When I look back at Winter Storm Uri, the supply chain was kind of down for about two months, and peak pricing and peak integrated margins lasted for about a year. maybe walk through the challenges the global polyethylene has because the iran war i think there's like 30 we've talked about out and how long you think this pricing could last this time around we're well i'm not sure if the war is over but it's two months in a couple weeks and then you noted a 20 cent price increase for polyethylene and i think the consent the consultants say zero So maybe kind of go through that real quick.

Jeff Tate, CFO

You know, it is interesting because, you know, I go back to, again, you know, we're going into this June, you know, heavy demand season from a volume perspective, which we anticipate to continue to be there for second quarter of this year. But a few things back to the Middle East conflict question from you, Mike, here is that I would like to note, you know, even if there was a resolution, let's say, in the coming days related to the Middle East conflict, they're still, you know, based on even industry analysts and experts, that it will take several quarters for the supply chain to normalize. And why is that? Well, you think about the sequencing of prioritization that would need to take place. First of all, you've got to prioritize the ships that are currently in the strait, and how do you get those out of the strait? Secondly, you have to prioritize and allocate the capital that would be needed to repair the damage that has been done in the region. Thirdly, you've then got to prioritize the human capital that will be needed. And a lot of that expertise has actually left the region because of safety reasons when everything started to escalate. So you start to think about those elements of it. And then other components of it is you have to then think about the value chain and the rebuilding of the inventory. And then once you start to get the straight opening, how do you then prioritize the sequencing of what comes through from a supply chain perspective? One of the first things you're going to look at is energy from a prioritization perspective. Second would be food security, so fertilizers and other commodities. And more than likely than third, you would have petrochemicals and other commodities in our space that would then be prioritized. So you just think about the sequencing of all of those, the prioritization of it, the allocation of it, that would take several quarters for it to work its way through the system.

Mike Sison, Analyst — Wells Fargo

Okay. And then maybe a follow-up on the polyethylene pricing for $0.20 in June and your thoughts about that, given where consensus is at. I think others are between $0.10 and $0.20 as well.

Jeff Tate, CFO

Well, for us, again, when we continue to look at our order books, we continue to look at the resiliency that we've continued to see around the packaging space, for us, the demand is still healthy. And really, when you look at the supply and not seeing any resolution on the supply side right now, the market dynamics would support actually that June price increase.

Mike Sison, Analyst — Wells Fargo

But within your guidance, it's zero.

Jeff Tate, CFO

For the guide right now, we did not assume a June 20-cent price increase.

Mike Sison, Analyst — Wells Fargo

And then maybe talk a little bit about, you know, export margins have been very little over the last three years. And because of the conflict, they've they've come up. I think they're higher, maybe in some cases than than Gulf Coast. Do you think structurally the export margin can stay healthy for a longer period of time because of the conflict? And would you consider exporting more than you do now?

Jeff Tate, CFO

Well, for us, you know, we're going to continue to have as a top priority is going to be serving the Americas where we've had the sustainable margins for quite some time. And, you know, if you look at prices in Asia and Europe, per se, you know, month over month, we've seen those start to stabilize. And actually, Europe is higher from April to May, which is encouraging as you look at demand and look at margin restoration from that vantage point. And so from our vantage point, you know, we will continue to support the Americas first and then obviously, you know, supporting the exports. And for us, that's been about 35% off of the U.S. Gulf Coast from an export perspective.

Mike Sison, Analyst — Wells Fargo

Right. Okay, great. And then can we talk about, I think what's been underappreciated a little bit is your cost savings, your productivity. That should boost your underlying earnings power, you know, mid-cycle to longer term. I think you were going to take a billion dollars out of cost. You got $500 million this year. You know, any thoughts on that and, you know, what could happen beyond this year?

Jeff Tate, CFO

Sure. You know, Mike, I would put it this way. we've got a portfolio of different self-help actions that are currently underway and because we're seeing this near-term tailwind due to the middle east conflict we are not losing our commitment or our resolve to continue down the pathway of making those commitments and and delivering on what we've already put out first of all you're right our 2025 cost out program is a billion dollars we captured half of that in 2025 and we're well on track to deliver the other 500 million here in 2026 and in fact that program will reach full run rate by the end of this quarter be materially complete you know the second thing is our transform to outperform you've heard us talk about really that's going to be resetting our operating model simplifying how we work lowering our cost structure while at the same time looking at growth and productivity as we look across our end-to-end processes to really make us more agile across the cycle and more competitive and that will generate over the next couple of years a total of two plus billion dollars of value with an expectation of 500 million of that being delivered in 2026. So you take the 2025 program of a half a billion, take the transform to outperform contribution of a half a billion. We also have our growth investments and the asset actions that I mentioned earlier that will deliver another hundred million. So that will deliver in combination over a billion dollars of EBITDA uplift from 2025 to 2026 purely from our self-help actions.

Mike Sison, Analyst — Wells Fargo

Right. So, you know, when I looked at the SpaceX IPO, they're going to lose a lot of money. So clearly investors are looking for longer term. So maybe you should lose more money. I don't know. But I'm joking. But when you think about how an investor should look at your earnings power from here, you know, a lot of investors have to be on mid-cycle. But honestly, I'm kind of curious about peak because when I look back two decades, it's either trough or peak. I don't see a lot of mid-cycle. So when you think about, you know, where the earnings power could go, maybe include Canada in the possibility, you know, where could EBITDA go longer term for Dow?

Jeff Tate, CFO

So, you know, even if we were to assume no significant macro recovery for a period of time Mike and if we look at just the things that we have in flight right now and let's use our 2025 EBITDA that's maybe the ground floor to build off of that so we delivered 3.3 billion of EBITDA last year you know that's coming off of a GDP of less than three percent for the past several years across the globe that's also coming off of obviously oversupply from a supply standpoint and then looking at you know the structural changes in Europe over that period of time. If you look at our total near-term self-help actions between our billion-dollar cost program of 2025 and our transform to outperform that I just mentioned of approximately $2 billion, that gets you near-term $3 billion of EBITDA uplift off of that 3.3 that we delivered in 2025. So that gets you quickly to $6 billion, right? You mentioned our Alberta project, which will commission and come on stream by the end of 2025. with the first phase that will give us another billion dollars in that time period from 29 to 30. So now you're talking a total of $4 billion of EBITDA uplift from things that we control that are not impacted necessarily by an expectation of a macro recovery. So $3.3 billion plus $4 billion of self-help as well as growth investments gets you to a significantly higher number than where we are today. So I won't try to anticipate kind of what that mid-cycle number would be, But I think that gives you an idea of how we're building off of what we've contributed and delivered in the past year.

Mike Sison, Analyst — Wells Fargo

I actually do have a couple of questions from the webcast. A little bit on the deleveraging bullet that you had. You know, are you going to build cash, pay down debt, or was that just waiting for EBITDA to uplift? Maybe a little bit of color on the deleveraging.

Jeff Tate, CFO

Absolutely. You know, for us, you know, any incremental cash that we get through this earnings uplift that we're seeing in 2026, one of our top priorities beyond supporting our safe and reliable operations will be supporting deleveraging. And so that incremental cash would be contributed there. But our capital allocation priorities over the cycle remain consistent, which, again, is safe, reliable operations, maintaining our investment grade credit profile, supporting growth as we move forward while remunerating our shareholders in the future.

Mike Sison, Analyst — Wells Fargo

okay and then i i did want to talk about canada a little bit um you know it's supply out of the middle east it's probably easy to transport around the world safety issues lower one of the lower cost um it should be a very attractive asset for for folks or attractive area for folks to get their supply of polyethylene um you have you had said that the returns on this business at mid-cycle would be eight to ten percent um i mean where would they be now would be much higher i suppose and do you think mid-cycle margins for polyethylene should be higher given structurally china will be you know using higher cost oil or naphtha you know where could this project really go if if given what's happened with the iran conflict sure you know first of all a couple

Jeff Tate, CFO

things i would mention mike is that the the merits of the alberta project have never been stronger from a benefit perspective right you're talking about a first quartile low-cost asset that takes full advantage of the alberta fee stock opportunity that we have there number one secondly you know packaging demand will continue to grow faster than gdp for the next several decades third the the government incentives remain true, right? We've said a billion and a half dollars of incentives. So we're going from a 7.5 billion growth capex to getting incentives of 1.5 billion. So net capex of $6 billion. And then as you look at, again, being in a region that's away from the hurricane zone of the U.S. Gulf Coast and to your earlier point, it's not necessarily in other areas that may have higher risk around the globe. So it's positioned in a really nice location and then our fleet and the low cost location of all of these assets now positions us even better than we are today once it comes online. So second part of your question, do we see the margins potentially being better and the returns ultimately being better than eight to 10 percent? Absolutely we could as we move forward and just as a reminder, this is not the economics don't include any of the carbon potential value that we would get from

Mike Sison, Analyst — Wells Fargo

this as well right yeah and then could you just remind investors 29 is when the project's supposed to come on how much capex do you have left and would it make sense to accelerate that and get

Jeff Tate, CFO

up and running sooner so what we've said is that our you can expect our capex spending for the entire company to average about 2.5 billion over the next couple of years so 26 through 28 2.5 billion approximately 1.5 billion of that will be for alberta and then the remainder would be for maintenance capex for our existing fleet. So as we look at it right now, we spend approximately 30% of the capex with the remainder to be done. A large part of the spending remaining will be on the labor side because a lot of the long lead time equipment has already been ordered. So we're in a good position from that standpoint. Moving faster, more than likely we will stay on the time frame that we're on again with the first phase starting up by the end of 2029. And then assuming no

Mike Sison, Analyst — Wells Fargo

nothing really changes from pricing or anything like that heading into the third quarter I know it's a little bit early to give specific guidance but how should investors think about what you've captured and as that moves into the third quarter it would seem to me that even with a little bit

Jeff Tate, CFO

seasonal decline earnings could be better i think you know obviously it is early for us to to talk 3q but if you just look at you know typical second quarter third quarter for dow those tend to be pretty similar right now we will continue to have some turnaround activity in in third quarter similar to what we have in second quarter as well and so we'll be managing through that as we work our way through the quarter and we'll continue to focus on our self-help actions while at the same time focusing on the pricing actions that fit the market dynamics that are out there today and we'll see where third quarter takes us but right now as we just look at you know second quarter those the upside that we've identified and discussed here this morning we feel reasonably confident in and then we'll continue to progress on our self-help action and pricing actions for

Mike Sison, Analyst — Wells Fargo

third quarter and then you know unfortunately wait even longer to give any specific outlooks but you know given your stock set it feels to me that investors or the market thinks 27 is going to go back to 25 or maybe not back to 25 but it's you know it feels like EBITDA you know investors feel EBITDA is just gonna you know once the war is over it goes back to where it was so any thoughts on how to help investors think about 27 um again i am i feeling that i think a lot of this these issues will last for a year um and any color on how to you know think about that you've talked about the cost savings all that stuff that's additive so yeah and that's really where i'd

Jeff Tate, CFO

like to ensure that we're really clear mike is regardless of what happens in the macro regardless of when the resolution occurs on the middle east conflict dow has a portfolio of self-help actions that continue to ramp. They will ramp in the second half of 2026, and they will continue to accelerate going into 2027. So if you think about just the EBIT uplift and EBITDA uplift for us, we will continue to see those self-help actions come to fruition, whether it's through the asset actions from our European decisions that we've made. I mentioned the Barry UK shutdown for, you know, that is well ahead of schedule and will give us an EBITDA uplift in the second half of this year and full run rate going into 2027 looking at again our cost programs as well and our growth investments that we've made that have already rtoed and commissioned we feel like we have a number of items and actions that will deliver you know beyond what

Mike Sison, Analyst — Wells Fargo

the macros may offer in 27. um quick follow-up um from from q from folks on the webcast any thoughts on how much free cash flow should be generated this year based on the improved outlook for EBITDA?

Jeff Tate, CFO

Yeah, you know, when we continue to see the improvement in the EBITDA uplift, you know, our cash conversion will also improve as well. Now, I will tell you in the near term, you know, because we're seeing the pricing going up at such the pace that we've described earlier, especially what we've seen here in second quarter, we're going to have some of that use of cash for working capital, especially from a receivables standpoint. point. So as you think about the second half of 26 is when you really start to see us build momentum in terms of free cash

Mike Sison, Analyst — Wells Fargo

flow. Right. Well, that's all the questions I have. If you have any closing comments, if not, thank you very much. We

Jeff Tate, CFO

appreciate your time. Thank you, Mike. Appreciate it.