Conference Transcript - R 2026-06-10

Robert Brunn, Head of Investor Relations

Rider Systems Inc. With us is CEO John Diaz, as well as Nicole Dominguez, who's in the front row. John's going to provide a couple minutes of prepared remarks, and then we're going to jump into the fireside discussion.

John Diaz, Analyst — Other

So, thanks for being with us. Sure, great. Well, it's good to be here. John Diaz with Rider, and I'll give you an overview on Rider, a quick overview, and then we'll jump into it. So for those of you that may not know Ryder, we're a $13 billion company in the outsourced transportation logistics space. We are a leader in the outsourced market. Everything that our customers outsourced to us, they could do on their own. So we typically work behind the scenes and we're an extension of their business. We're North America focused, 93% of our revenue comes from the U.S. alone, so very high concentration to the U.S. with Canada and Mexico footprint. And we're organized around three segments, which you're going to hear about today. So our fleet management segment is the, if you think about the outsourcing or the leasing of trucks and renting of trucks. We provide the maintenance on those trucks. we manage about 240,000 trucks which you see on the on the screen and through 800 locations across the US and Canada with over 4,000 diesel mechanics that do the service on those trucks each and every day. Dedicated transportation if you think about outsourcing of the truck is outsourcing of the truck plus the driver along with the engineering transportation network design that we offer we do that in a large way we're the second largest dedicated provider in that space and we like to do dedicated much of our dedicated 70% is specialized so our drivers do facilitate and participate in the actual delivery and unloading of the goods that are sitting on the back of the truck and then we have our supply chain business which is the largest segment of the business big part of our transformation which I'll touch on here in a second where we provide end-to-end logistic solution so anywhere from port activity inbound to manufacturing distribution to final mile we could handle it for our customers in the US Canada and Mexico you see there our customer base on the far right good distribution across a number of industries. Food and Bev is our largest retail and the industrials account for the majority of the portfolio we serve. We serve nearly 40,000 businesses in North America. A big part of the story which you'll hear about today is our transformation. Prior to 2019 at the peak of the cycle things were going fairly well for Rider and then we reached an extended used vehicle market and we decided we needed to make some changes in 2019 that triggered a two-part approach to our transformation one was really de-risking the business our fleet management business where we're underwriting leases we were highly dependent on the used vehicle market on the back side to get the returns we needed for that business and that used vehicle market volatility was significant so we addressed that what did we do we reduce residual values from a pricing perspective along with taking some charges from an accounting perspective and we raised prices to our customer that's been a six-year journey we're on the tail end of that we've been very successful being able to deliver the value at a higher price for our customers and we've retained the majority of that business and obviously post-COVID we were able to grow that business as well successfully. We also look to grow and expand our margins and we set out to initially take out a hundred million of maintenance costs from our fleet management business by becoming more efficient, operating smarter and introducing technology. We're on the path now to deliver 150 million of annual savings which is the new target for us from maintenance activities. So between the pricing initiative and the maintenance initiative we're on path to be over 200 million dollars of incremental earnings from that business. Second part of the story for us was to diversify away from our asset intensive business and grow our asset light businesses so supply chain and dedicated have grown meaningfully you see their revenue base grew from 8 billion to about 13 billion today and then if you look at the mix of our business that supply chain dedicated business used to be 40% now it's 60% of our overall business the health of the business much different we are today in the tail end of a freight cycle downturn so very difficult used vehicle market conditions that we experienced last year and we were able to deliver substantial improvements in our return on equity measure. You see there we're targeting 17 to 18 percent this year compared to 13 percent at its peak and then cash flow improved by nearly 60 percent through the transformation. So what's current today and what's to come? On the left side you see our strategic initiatives which have been really the catalyst for Ryder for the last several years those are the structural changes we made in the business we still feel in 26 there's about another 70 million of incremental benefits from our pricing actions maintenance initiatives and some other initiatives around our opni channel network and supply chain that we could improve the overall earnings power of our business by 70 million the The freight market has been depressed, as I mentioned. We think when the market turns, that cyclical lift will be about $250 million to earnings, which we haven't seen yet. So we posted in Q1 that we think the used vehicle market has turned. That will contribute $10 million of incremental this year, but really the vast majority of it, we're expecting that to come in over the next couple of years. and then lastly we continue to work on growing the contractual side of our portfolio a 90% of our businesses contractual relationships with businesses three to seven years we've had great success there we'll touch on it but supply chain continues to grow we expect that business to grow low double digits organically and with some acquisitions over time the DTS business should get back up to high single digits and then the fleet management business at mid single digits so that's a quick recap on rider where we've been where we're going

Robert Brunn, Head of Investor Relations

and then i'll turn it over to you rob yeah thanks john that 70 million that you called out for this year in in terms of company specific initiatives uh that'll be boosting um earnings how much that did you guys realize in the first quarter and uh you noted you're on track to realize it for the first year, but maybe if you give us a little bit of perspective on the cadence.

John Diaz, Analyst — Other

Yeah, the cadence is, it's not very lumpy. It should be almost linear as we get through the year. The pricing initiative will be front loaded to the first half primarily, where you'll see the incremental benefits, but the maintenance activity will be more oriented towards the second half. But on balance, I would say of that $70 million, we're expecting to realize a consistent amount each quarter. So we're not counting on a big hockey stick. We're seeing the benefits already come in Q1 and into Q2, and obviously that will continue.

Robert Brunn, Head of Investor Relations

And obviously the biggest piece of Rider's revenue and earnings stream is the contractual business. You had sounded a little bit more upbeat than you have in a while on the first quarter call, and you know that customers are starting to make commitments in FMS and dedicated. Could you give us an update? There's been a lot of changing dynamics, cyclical uplift that we've been seeing in the trucking market. Has that accelerated as we push through the second quarter?

John Diaz, Analyst — Other

Yeah, so the tone for us changed a little bit in Q1 from what we've been saying in that supply chain has been growing. Sales activity there last year was a record level. But fleet management had dedicated. We had not seen any sort of firm commitments from customers at a meaningful level. In Q1, and we've been seeing dedicated supply chain pipelines grow, which usually is an early indication of pent-up demand. We did see that in the latter stages of last year in both those businesses. And then in Q1, that started converting and customers started making commitments. we saw sales activity for Q1 of 26 in fleet management and dedicated be at levels we hadn't seen in two to three years fleet management have been like three years and dedicated about two years since we last saw that well and then we saw customers signs that things were improving as well outside of that extensions were up which is a good indication that they want to hang on to fleet as opposed to reduce their fleet that was at elevated levels customers were looking to us to take advantage of on-ground equipment so our redeployments were up to near record levels in the quarter and then our miles run on our customers fleets they were up two to three percent as well which is also a good sign for the momentum and and some of the acceleration we saw in Q1 but that was just one quarter. We'll continue to see, obviously, since then, we're dealing with the macroeconomic conditions and energy pricing that's elevated today, and we'll see how demand continues to play out over the course of the year. Have Miles driven, because I know you guys look at

Robert Brunn, Head of Investor Relations

a lot of metrics across the fleet, how far are we below kind of historical averages today, given that 2% to 3% improvement we saw in one queue?

John Diaz, Analyst — Other

Yeah, great question. So we were down almost 14%, 15% a year ago. Obviously, we're seeing that come back. So we're still, even though we saw that sequential improvement in Q1, we're still well below, I would say, high single digits, below kind of historical peak levels. That will hopefully continue to move up, and that will translate then into growth for the business.

Robert Brunn, Head of Investor Relations

So high single digit off of peak.

John Diaz, Analyst — Other

Off of peak.

Robert Brunn, Head of Investor Relations

Relative to mid-cycle?

John Diaz, Analyst — Other

Yeah, I would say to normalize levels, it's probably mid-single digits for us. So we're getting close, but we need to see continued momentum there.

Robert Brunn, Head of Investor Relations

You had noted that you're seeing extensions kind of improve a moment ago. Maybe you could talk a little about customer vehicle churn, right? I would imagine that's also getting better, but I'm curious kind of where we're falling out. So if you think about

John Diaz, Analyst — Other

our lease portfolio, over a hundred thousand vehicles on lease, seven-year contract terms, you're seeing about 13 to 17 percent of the portfolio turnover each year. Every time there's a lease expiration, we have a decision or the customer has a decision to make. Do they need the truck downsize the fleet if they're not so confident in their business they may just extend the truck and then typically when we see them get real confidence and they see growth in their underlying business they're gonna add to the fleet well over the course of the last three years we've been seeing customers actually reduce their fleet with every one of these events and tying their fleet further what we saw in q1 was a clear indication now they're looking to extend and then we would look to as we get deeper into the year they're going to look to hopefully start adding to the fleet as market conditions continue to improve so that was a good indication for us churn in the business has improved in that you're seeing you know better stability from our existing customers. We're finding new customers as well. And then you're seeing some reduction in the number of bankruptcies, which is the health of the overall market. We had seen a great number of bankruptcies the last two years. First quarter was at a good level for us. So if that could continue, that would be a good indication for us. Maybe could you talk a little bit about

Robert Brunn, Head of Investor Relations

bankruptcies and how much of a drag they were to the fleet in the past couple years, which has

John Diaz, Analyst — Other

declining a little bit? Yeah so clearly that's that's a big portion of the decline. I would say the decline in the fleet the majority of it was just fleet downsizing from existing customers but easily a third to 40 percent was from credit pools and bankruptcies. So as long as that continues to get better I think that's gonna provide some support and uplift into the fleet going into the

Robert Brunn, Head of Investor Relations

future. And as you kind of initiated on your pricing, your new pricing philosophy, you tempered the fleet growth expectation to two to four thousand. Obviously there have been cyclical factors that have been headwinds, some of the credit dynamics you had just mentioned, as well as reduced overall freight activity. We've been seeing the FMS fleet contract over the past couple years. It sounds like we're getting close to stabilization then we'll see growth. As we think about growth is the two to four thousand net ads kind of the right level for Ryder or have dynamics change is pricing different where maybe that number isn't the right growth for us to put in our model. Yeah the pricing

John Diaz, Analyst — Other

the pricing is not a limiter on on our growth. We would love to grow at a higher level because the returns in that business are really good now. They've been the catalyst for the return on equity improvement in the overall business. We just got to find more opportunities to serve customers and new customers. So the two to four I would say early cycle behaviors will be more like two at the peak of the cycle like we saw in 22 and into 23 we'll probably do more than 4,000. The question is what can we do consistent over the cycle and that two to four seems like a good number as we as we look forward but there will be a few years where we're gonna get above the 4,000 without a doubt we're looking forward to

Robert Brunn, Head of Investor Relations

seeing that and then as we think of you know some of the more cyclical pieces of the business you noted 250 over 250 million potential talent I think 10 million coming this year and that is that entirely on the UVS side so the 250

John Diaz, Analyst — Other

$250 million, 90% of our business contractual in nature. Our commercial rental and used vehicle business is the transactional pieces of the business. About of the $250, we always say normalized gains for Rider are going to be in that $75 to $100 million. Last year we did about $20 million in used vehicle gains. So you could count on $80 million of the $250 more or less will be coming from UVS. the majority of it and the balance of that 250 plus will come from rental so our commercial rental fleet which supports our lease customers as well as the market at large was as much as 40,000 units at the peak of the cycle we're now around 30,000 units just to give you ballpark numbers. So we're down nearly a third of the fleet. We're going to add to the fleet as we see market demand pick up. And as that market demand picks up, you're going to see the earnings power of that contractual business, which is very robust. Typically, the returns on that business are better than our contractual lease business over the cycle. So the earnings power of that business is pretty robust so that's that's how you get to the 250 plus that

Robert Brunn, Head of Investor Relations

we've called out. And maybe you could give us a some perspective of how much opportunity you have to grow the earnings with the existing fleet before we start adding incremental trucks because utilization is below your target

John Diaz, Analyst — Other

range today. Yes so great observation today we're sitting in in utilization on a four-year basis in the low 70s typically we're in the mid 70s to high 70 percent range so if you think about that three to four hundred or even five hundred basis points there's quite a bit of capacity of demand that we could absorb in our existing fleet before we start adding capital so you probably once we get to a consistent number of mid to to high 70s levels and we've been as high as 83% under our measure. So we're going to start adding a fleet. What we can do in the short run if we see demand start picking up, we could obviously take advantage of on-ground equipment, we'll reduce the number of outservicing we do of our existing fleet, run it a little bit longer, and then start adding to the fleet as quickly as we can. So that gives us a lot of levers. obviously the biggest lever there is we need demand to start coming back.

Robert Brunn, Head of Investor Relations

Yeah and we're seeing the improvement in terms of the utilization of your existing miles driven across the FMS fleet. How much it has, have we seen any improvement in terms of the rental demand from your FMS fleet customers or is that still basically non-existent and it's you know third party?

John Diaz, Analyst — Other

Yeah so rental demand from our existing lease customers is a big portion of the business typically is about 40 percent of the demand level and we haven't seen that come back we have seen pure rental activity move up what we did see in Q in the first quarter which we we felt good about was we had been below normalized seasonal trends for the last several quarters and the sequential trend we saw from Q4 to Q1 that pickup that we or that that movement that we typically see in demand was in line with historical levels where we've been below historical levels the previous two quarters so that was an indication at least to us that things were normalizing in the demand side of the equation we just haven't seen an acceleration as of yet and once we see it we'll be ready to

Robert Brunn, Head of Investor Relations

take advantage of it historically spot rates have been a good leading indicator yes in terms of the utilization obviously the mix has changed a little bit where you're now much more weighted toward the truck, but are you seeing any noticeable utilization difference in truck versus tractor? Not a big

John Diaz, Analyst — Other

difference. So our tractor utilization figures are typically higher than our straight truck market and we still see that kind of differential there. We would like to see the tractor market pick up and we could add capacity as we see demand come into the space without a doubt the truck demand levels have been more consistent I would say than tractors which we've been seeing that for some time but both on both trucks and tractors as we see demand pick up we're more than capable of adding the capacity to meet the demand longer term I do think the truck activity will continue to stay fairly consistent will continue to grow as we continue to see more last mile delivery and folks moving closer to that consumer for that final mile delivery that will continue to provide support for that straight truck market over time. We should think about

Robert Brunn, Head of Investor Relations

kind of the incremental margin returns very very high as utilizations improving and then above average relative to FMS in rental as you're We're adding trucks, but obviously there's some capex that we should be thinking about and incremental depreciation that flows through the balance sheet.

John Diaz, Analyst — Other

That's correct. So to put it in perspective, today our quality of earnings for this business, earnings before taxes is a percentage of our revenues, about 10% last year. That number will continue to grow. Our target over the cycle is to be in the mid-teens, if you will, there, or low teens, I should say. And then as you get to the peak of the cycle, you should be in that mid to high teens level. So back to your point on the leverage of that business is pretty significant. And we're hopefully starting to see that now. So that will continue to move up. And 10% being at the trough of the cycle is still very good for Ryder that we posted last year. So, if that's the floor, good things are ahead for us.

Robert Brunn, Head of Investor Relations

And so the building blocks are coming there, and then the used vehicle side of the business You're sounding better there as well, you know, kind of 1Q, roughly 60% was retail. Can you give us a sense of how that compares to like your internal targets, and what typical seasonality would be for the first quarter?

John Diaz, Analyst — Other

So we raised the guidance for the full year after filing Q1. Some of that was better than anticipated performance in Q1, but we also saw used vehicle pricing stabilized sooner in the year than we had anticipated. And then to Rob's point, what we did see was higher retail volumes. And we typically get a 30% premium if we sell a truck through a retail channel as opposed to a wholesale channel. And seeing more demand on that side of the house is really encouraging for us and part of the reason why we kind of lifted the overall expectations. We are seeing market conditions continue to get better. Later on in the year, we're going to have the introduction of technology change. The 2027 engine technology will start hitting the marketplace, which is going to lift the price on new equipment. So if you're a fleet operator, you're trying to make a decision, do I buy used or do I jump into a new equipment? You're going to have to pay a lot more for that new equipment and used equipment with the service quality we could afford them may be more attractive. So we think the momentum we're seeing right now for used vehicle sales is upward momentum on pricing, which should bode well for the second half of the year. You asked about what is the mix around retail, wholesale. The 50% is clearly below our target levels. We typically like to be in the 70s, 70 to 80% level. When things are really humming, you're going to be in that 78, 79% retail level. So we're still doing some wholesaling to manage inventory levels, but that should, as we get into next year that should continue to, the retail percentage should continue to move up and the wholesaling move downward. So we still got some some wholesale activity to do later in the year and we'll continue to manage that based on what the market dynamics introduce. Earlier you'd mentioned

Robert Brunn, Head of Investor Relations

emissions change. Typically I would think that that's a good thing. Yes, it is

John Diaz, Analyst — Other

typically not only good for our used vehicle market but it creates a front front loading of demand for us and our lease customers looking to get ahead of it I think market conditions with this market is a little bit different in that the demand side of the equation is still not robust we were not projecting any sort of pre-buy activity ahead of the engine technology change which we've seen in previous versions so it's it's kind of a muted environment with regards to that today but from a used vehicle perspective we are seeing we do expect an uplift from the engine technology change as you get deeper into the year and then we also get a benefit

Robert Brunn, Head of Investor Relations

on the fms side because the sticker price is higher yes for the the use do you think about raising prices kind of to keep the the use to new relationship constant or you say hey hey, I'd rather get more retail throughput, so I'm going to keep prices where they are as OEMs and ounces increases.

John Diaz, Analyst — Other

Typically, they move together. We typically see as demand starts accelerating, we'll be able to not only take price up, but you'll also see your mix change quite a bit. And we've seen it over multiple cycles. That's the case. First, you see the volumes move up, which we saw in Q1, and stable pricing, which we saw. higher volume, then you'll see both start moving upward. And that's part of the reason why we lifted the guidance. We do expect now pricing to start moving up based on what we're seeing in the trends.

Robert Brunn, Head of Investor Relations

That makes sense. And we've heard that from our channel checks as well. There's also, as we talked to some dealers, they noted that financing has gotten a little bit tougher for some fleets. Is that providing an incremental opportunity for Ryder to help fleets kind of increase their truck count on the leasing side? You know, it's typically a smaller piece that does transportation, but...

John Diaz, Analyst — Other

Yeah, on the leasing side, we still do quite a bit with transports, even though it's not a meaningful part of the portfolio. That space has been, as you noted, challenged by financing and higher financing costs. But the customers we serve today are well capitalized to customers. Typically, if we have a customer that can't afford a lease opportunity, we'll put them into rental and let them rent in the interim until they get healthy. We're in the early innings here with the spot rate market up. It was up 30 percent year over year in Q1. It's continued to move up to 50 percent now. And as these carriers start printing some cash flow, I think they're going to get stronger and hopefully their balance sheets get a little bit better.

Robert Brunn, Head of Investor Relations

That'll work itself out. Today we had another announcement out of Amazon. It's impacted the less than truckload market. A couple weeks ago, they got into supply chain services saying we're going to target third parties. I'd be curious just to get your perspective of what business that Rider has where you see is potentially at risk, what part of the book of business is really not impacted but by the announcement and just how you think about SCS's kind of double-digit revenue growth targets as well as its high single-digit EBT target in light of the announcement.

John Diaz, Analyst — Other

Yeah, so the Amazon announcements, where they impact us is really around our supply chain business. However, our supply chain business, we don't run an LTL network, so today's announcement doesn't really impact us. What we provide for our customers are really customized, bespoke solutions, highly engineered solutions for large supply chain operators. Those we don't expect to be impacted and there's very little overlap with what Amazon can offer. I think when you look at some of our smaller businesses within supply chain, so e-commerce and our last mile business, so big and bulky, combined they account for about 6% of our overall rider revenue. So it's not a big portion of rider or even our supply chain business. There is some overlap there, and clearly we'll compete with them, as we have competed with them. What we have seen from the e-commerce side, some of our customers do business with Amazon today. Many of them have elected to do their own fulfillment and not go through the Amazon network. So I do expect a vast majority of those customers will continue to operate in that fashion. we provide competitive and great service to them so that's the area of the business that there is some overlap not something that today we're concerned with obviously today's announcement really has no impact to us if anything hopefully we could help them grow their fleet and and help Amazon grow their their trucking activity as and rent from us that would be great that makes sense

Robert Brunn, Head of Investor Relations

and in terms of the SCS it sounds like very small piece of the business with Amazon's expansion into third-party supply chain services that could be a headwind to Rider and and maybe you get additional kind of truck growth out of today's announcement in the first quarter margins contracted a little under 200 basis points on a year-over-year basis we had I think you called out some automotive headwinds as well as some of the omni-channel initiatives that you've going I'd imagine weather kind of played into that maybe you could talk a little bit about the SCS margins and how we should think about the progression of

John Diaz, Analyst — Other

the year and some of those headwinds. Yeah so Rob called out our supply chain business year over year we did see contraction in the margin profile that business. Despite that, our supply chain business last year operated at a record level. Our first quarter 2026 performance for supply chain was the second best in in our history so you are seeing kind of a bounce from the from the peak with regards to that. We did call out automotive. Automotive volumes are down and we did have some lost business in automotive where they They traded some dedicated activity. They went to the for hire carrier market away from our dedicated solution. We think some of that will come back as obviously spot rate market lifts up. So that may be something that we could win back here in time. But that business continues to perform. Our target for that business is high single digits. We're on path to deliver that again this year. And again, like I mentioned, even though first quarter was not at last year's level, we're not disappointed with the first quarter performance being the second best in the company's history.

Robert Brunn, Head of Investor Relations

And you're talking about kind of getting to the run rate of the double digits, exiting the year. Any startup costs we should be thinking about as the revenue ramps?

John Diaz, Analyst — Other

Yeah, clearly, anytime we're growing at that double-digit level, there's going to be some level of startup disruption. We've invested heavily in our startup effectiveness teams where we mitigate and minimize the impact of that. But we're going to see some level of disruption as we grow. What's really exciting for us is not only last year did we have a record year. first quarter we came out of blocks with another robust growth number for us so as we think about the growth rate for that business we're probably going to be in the mid single digits in Q2 getting to the high single digits as you get into Q3 and then low double digits as we exit the year and then that will that should continue to build as we get into 2027 so acceleration off the low double digits in 2027? I think you will see a little bit of an acceleration off of where we exit in 2026, yes. That's exciting. How about dedicated? Maybe you

Robert Brunn, Head of Investor Relations

could talk a little bit about how you see margins evolving there. Yeah, so

John Diaz, Analyst — Other

dedicated Q1 seasonally is probably the most challenging margin environment. I think that number was around 5%. We also target their high single digits, so seven and a half plus we're on path to still deliver high single digits i think we called out we've been able to deliver that eight out of last 10 years um second quarter typically we see our margin profile expand two to three hundred basis points that continues into q3 and then q4 tapers off a little bit what we're excited about on dedicated is we we have taken some cost actions there to improve the earnings profile of the business, but we're hopeful that we continue to see our sales activity replicate what we saw in Q1. So Q1 was a very good sales quarter. If that continues, then we should be getting back on track to growth for 2027. Well, we're at the time. John, really appreciate it.

Robert Brunn, Head of Investor Relations

Terrific. Thank you. Really appreciate it.