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Capital Markets Day · 2026-04-23

Adtraction Group AB (ADTR) April 2026 Capital Markets Day Transcript

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Simon CEO

Hello and welcome to the presentation of Attractions first quarter results. Today's presenters are Andreas Hagström CFO and myself Simon Gustafsson CEO. So if you have any questions please post them online and Andreas and I will be happy to answer the questions after today's presentation so let's look at the short story of the first quarter we are happy to report that growth continues in the first quarter sales grows by close to 12 percent so does gross profit we have both organic and acquired growth and of course affiliate future helps drive the acquired growth both finance and e-commerce are growing which is of course very satisfying and we have said this many times before when gross profit grows we expect ebda to grow even more thanks to our operating leverage and this happens again in the first quarter so ebda grows by close to 30 percent cash flow was also reasonably strong for a first quarter when it comes to cash flow I think it's important to look at a longer period and if you do that it will be very clear that we have done a good job in terms of generating cash at attraction we report something called other and if you look at that you may be tempted to think that bundler is growing by 274 percent actually bundler is growing by more which i will come back to in a minute because there's some other things in that other reporting which is small and not growing the important thing here is bundler so we don't see the same picture across all markets so i thought it'd be useful to give sort of a macro view of what's going on in the different market and i've looked at three different categories here good growth growth and not growth or negative growth so by good growth we mean that we are reaching our goal or very close to our growth target of 20 percent that happens in the established markets of sweden and finland and also that happens in our european markets italy Poland, Germany and the UK. We have growth which means growth in excess of 0% in Denmark, France, the Netherlands and Norway. Then we have negative growth in Switzerland and Spain. In Spain it's the same story as before. Markets are changing in the finance vertical and we are working to adapt to that eventually we will but we're still seeing negative growth in the finance vertical on the other hand we have very strong momentum in the e-commerce vertical in Spain so things are looking good there in Switzerland we see negative growth and have done that for a couple of months and the reason here is that a couple of traffic sources are not what they used to be and our response to that is to broaden our traffic acquisition and try to add more partners and eventually we will see a recovery also in switzerland the finance markets are very different in different in different countries so in we see we see positive growth in in many markets in sweden finland germany we see very strong growth and then we also have growth in polon italy and the Netherlands. On the other hand, we are not growing and we are seeing negative growth in Denmark, Norway, Spain and France. I would say that in Denmark, Norway and Spain we have a little bit of headwind in terms of market and in France we're still trying to establish our position in that vertical. So let's talk about Bundler. There's a little graph down on the right here indicating that Bundler actually grew by 350% in the quarter. That's pretty good. Obviously, Bundler is still small, but Bundler has a very good momentum. They've made great integrations. They have attractive merchants and attractive resellers. So at Attraction, we're very excited about Bundler, and we have decided to slightly increase our ownership in Bundler. We can do that because we have an option to acquire shares under the terms of the shareholders agreement. We will present more details about that transaction a little bit later on. Then other stuff is happening. We have a board member called or had a board member called Arash Haikimi at the attraction. He's been with us for a year. he's been a much appreciated board member but at the annual general meeting which we had earlier this week he declined to be re-elected and the reason is that he is joining Bundler and will work with business development and what's happened here is that Arash has been very interested in our business throughout this year and of course he's looked at Bundler for a long time and is very excited about the opportunities so at attraction you cannot both have a operating role and be board members so arash i think is more important to work at bundler than it is to be a director so that's that about bundler again we're very excited about this now you're getting a little bit of sense for the growth rates that we're talking about here we expect to talk more about bundler later this year i will also talk about some other things here that are important to us we are currently going through some organizational changes at attraction in practice that means that there are redundancies and there are good people involved and i'm not really in a position to talk too much about this at this stage because this is an ongoing process what i would like to do is refer to the comments in the report and then we will get back to describe the situation more in detail later on on a more positive note the fair tracking project is working out as we expected obviously this is good for partners but it turns out that it's also good for brands and in quite a few markets we've actually seen growth as a result of fair tracking initiatives so fair tracking is contributing to growth which is what we wanted all along because arash is leaving the board of directors we need to find one or two new directors we are not in a hurry to do this we have a well-functioning board of directors but we need probably to be more than three people over time so this is another project that we will look at uh we did decide um the the shareholders decided to to pay the dividend according to the proposal by the board of directors so the first tranche of the dividend will be paid on monday that's 1.1 krona per share and uh the share has already traded x i think that was on april 21st then we will have the same as we did last year and paid the dividend the second part of the dividend in October. So I will now say something about AI and I think the reason that I want to comment here is that there's a lot of things happening and we see a bigger impact on our organization and the way we work that we have before so i just wanted to comment a little bit on that of course the the people most affected uh by um in general is the development team they're really using a lot of these tools and especially in the last three to four months in a increase in the share of source code that's uh ai so we're actually talking about 90 to 99 for essentially all new code this means that each developer can be much more efficient and produce much more code so we expect to be more productive going forward the other thing that we're excited is business intelligence so maybe a year ago or so we started working with mcp servers and we tried to extract data from the platform in order to find useful reports for our account managers to be honest that didn't work out so well we had a lot of hallucinations now we're trying a slightly different setup and we're getting very good results so we see that country sorry account managers can really get useful data from our platform using this this tool and they can now pull reports that were simply too difficult to pull a couple of months back we haven't scaled this yet we're still in testing phase but we're very very excited and encouraged by the results so far then finally we're also using agents i will not dig too deeply into this what i will say is that there are a number of repetitive well-defined tasks that can easily be performed by agents and we're actually deploying this this is not only for the tech team this is actually that we're doing in our cfo office and whenever there's a chance to do something like that we will of course do it i don't want to say that this is big thing at attraction but we are excited about the opportunities and we're clearly finding these agents useful so finally on the ai side i want to say something about traffic there's obviously some uncertainty in our industry and and traffic acquisition in general about what will happen uh with the ai tools and here's a few observations that i would like to share so first of all we have not seen a drop in traffic as a result of the emergence of the llms which i think is encouraging i also think it's very encouraging that there are actually quite a few options if you want to work with an llm we have open ai we have anthropic we have google we have xai meta and we have a couple of chinese models so there's a lot of uh competition going on here there's no doubt that these tools over time will be um you know attractive place to to buy ads that's what what we think anyway but i also think that our partners will be very school skilled at acquiring uh traffic from these uh engines and to our partners attraction is a monetization engine and we still have an important role to play in that regard. I also think it's very important that brands try to diversify their traffic and then it's good to have different models to choose from and it's still great to work with partner marketing in order to diversify your traffic acquisition. I think brands are more and more aware of this actually. It's a message that we talk about all the time and I think that most brand believe that it's it's not been a good situation with the monopolies in search and and social media so that's that about AI let's go back to sort of our core business here and look at the verticals so finance we had we had huge years back in 23 and then we've been struggling a little bit and what we can see now in this this quarter is year-on-year growth versus the first quarter 25, but we can also see sequential growth. For e-commerce, we see year-on-year growth. Sorry, I'm on the wrong picture here. Let's go back here. So for e-commerce, we have the best Q1 ever. and obviously that means that we see year-on-year growth. It's also encouraging to see that we see growth across most markets. So let us take a look at the combined picture and we get the same impression here that this is actually our best Q1 ever. And to me, this is very encouraging. To me, it's a testament that our business model is strong and works and that we provide value to partners and brands and that there truly is an opportunity to grow here and that there's an important place for attraction and other part of marketing companies in the value chain. All right, so that's that. Oh, sorry, one more picture. So this is an illustration of our cost base. We like to say that our cost is fairly stable. And if you look at this cost base in the last couple of years, I think stable still is a good word to describe it. with that said costs have increased a little bit uh in the in the last few quarters and of course this there's going to be some general cost increases and there's going to be some more team members and that's going to impact the cost that that's simply gonna gonna happen but in in general i think it's fair to say that over time it's fairly stable all right we like to talk about growth profitability and cash flow in for the past you know eight quarters or so this graph has been fairly depressing we want to be a growth company in fact we have not grown for 20 for many quarters in 24 and 25 and then finally now in q4 and q1 we actually see growth which is encouraging obviously we're not happy here we want to keep growing and we want to keep building gross profit even a margin please remember here i think that most people listening to this know that ebitda in relation to sale will be low ebitda in relation to gross profit which is the money that belongs to attraction will always look better but let's stick to the ebitda to sales margin here we can see slight increase in q1 versus q125 and 24 and 23 so

Andreas CFO

something good is happening here from our point of view and I would like to attribute this to some sort of operating leverage here so with that I will hand over to Andreas who will do his part thank you and then we start by looking at net sales we have 314.7 million in the quarter that's 12% growth with fixed exchange rates we would have seen a higher growth of 15% and looking at gross profit 60.2 million also that 12% growth the same goes for exchange rates here we also add 3 million in gross profit from the acquisition of affiliate future and if we were to break down the quarter we can see a positive in trend trend as well and we can see that March is also the strongest month in the quarter. EBITDA 13.5 million and that's a 28% increase. Like Simon mentioned we have a good operating leverage and we also add 1.5 million to EBITDA from the acquisition. We also mentioned that we can see a slight increase in cost base and that is more of a general increase and there's also a one-off expected to be seen in the second quarter that Simon mentioned that you can read more about in the report. The adjusted net result per share is at 0.66 Swedish kronor and that is a 36 percent increase.

Andreas CFO

Then looking at the verticals and starting with e-commerce we have 36.6 organic growth.

Andreas CFO

Bear in mind here also that currency exchange rates are working against us and that the underlying growth is actually stronger than this organically and then good to see with the strong ending of the quarter that most markets are now also seeing growth in the e-commerce vertical and simultaneously we also have growth on all the important nordic markets here and as for finance we have 22.1 million in gross profit that is a six percent growth Simon mentioned that there is a split picture between markets we grow on six markets and we have seen a very strong delivery from the Swedish market three good months and an exceptionally strong delivery from the italian and german marketable of growth rates over a hundred percent and the picture is still negative in spain and in norway and geographies starting with nordics 44.2 million that's a 10 growth we grow on all markets in europe 16 million that's a 19 growth that is acquired growth as we've added 3 million from affiliate future and the organic growth is affected mainly by the Spanish and the Swiss market here. And we can still see a good performance from Italy and Germany given the great performance in the finance vertical from them. And as for cash flow, operating cash flow of 11.5 million, we have had no investing activities in the quarter and we have paid a small dividend to minority shareholders in the finance activities of 1.5 million, giving us a total cash flow of 10 million and a very strong net cash position of 133.7 million ending the quarter and i give the computer back to you so to reiterate our goals a little bit we are all about growth profitability and cash flows we want to be european network

Simon CEO

and we want to be a leading consolidator i said in the last call that we expected sort of a slower mna market i may be wrong about that there there there has popped up some opportunities there there are actually some processes going on so we will see what happens to those we've also said that we want to serve a wider range of clients we put a lot of work into this and this is mainly about being able to work with smaller clients and actually bigger clients we will introduce a new pricing and service model in the second quarter so stay tuned for that finally i want to say something about what's what we expect going forward here and one thing that will happen is that the finance regulation in sweden will be implemented and again i think the main thing here is that the swedish government thinks that everyone who's close to a loan needs to be a bank that includes brokers so brokers who the definition of a bank is that the consumers should be able to deposit money there and borrow money brokers are not doing this but they still need a license, which means that they have to start doing that. So this is very, very strange, all of it. I've been clear on that before, but here's my current take on that. A lot of these brokers will get licenses. Others will simply adapt their offering. And I think that the market in general will adapt and will probably continue to grow over time. So we see that when there's a supply of credits and a demand for credits, the market has a tendency to fix that so that's a the the beauty of the market economy in my opinion and i again i think that the the swedish government has made a very poor regulatory work here uh but that doesn't matter it is what it is and we will just accept that and we will keep going and i think that over time we will have a good development for the reasons that i mentioned all right so uh then then about the second quarter uh what we said in the report and what i will reiterate now is that um is that we've seen uh growth in line uh with the q1 growth uh in in up until now basically uh up until today's date so that is some some sort of indication what's going on in the in the second quarter so that's the presentation and uh let's see if we have any questions and it turns out that we do have some some questions and um let's uh look look into that so here's a here's a very broad question and that is what type of partners are growing and what type of partners are shrinking and i think a general answer here is that what we've seen for a while is that seo partners are struggling in this ai environment because what is happening here is that google is stealing their content and they're presenting that in ai overviews and that means that you cannot rely on seo to get traffic anymore so this is a very big trend and i think that essentially all partners that have a sort of closer relationship with their users are benefiting from that and are also seeing growth so having members is a good idea in this environment so i will just read the question here and i'm not certain that i can answer everything but but i will read the questions and then we'll see have a discussion around it you mentioned no global decline in traffic from legitimate sources can you share the year-on-year change in organic search traffic especially to your finance vertical partners in q1 and what share of those partners drive more than 50 of traffic from google search so this is actually difficult for us to follow. Partners are under no obligation to share their traffic acquisition data with us. We don't expect them to do that and they do not do that. But it's quite clear that Google is by far the most important traffic source for most finance publishers and that model actually is still working out. And as a general comment, if Google is making money, which they are in the finance space that model will for sure continue uh to work uh so so we we just expect that to to continue uh here's uh here's a question on clara loan and the payment just how should investors think about that so just as a reminder and and it's good that the person who asked this question reminds us because we didn't talk about that for a while what has happened is that we have divested Clara Loan and and the financing of that transaction was through a vendor note and to date Clara Loan has only amortized or sorry the buyer has only amortized 1 million we expect another amortization of around 2 million 2.5 something like that fairly fairly soon so that is that is an ongoing thing Clara Lone is a profitable company and they are in a position both to pay interest and to pay amortization and of course there's been some uncertainty for Clara Lone with this new regulation and they are now in a good position and have found a strategy for what we want to do going forward it's my understanding anyway the important thing for attraction is that they will amortize on the vendor note so how is your influencer project and the sales for project working out when it comes to the influencer project we are currently testing and we're going to test slightly broader actually starting basically now i'm sure we will find some things that are not working out optimally then we will fix that so a lot a lot of things will happen in the in the next couple of months i think a big thing here is that we want to be up and running properly with this at least before q4 because q4 is so important then we have a question about the salesforce project i'm happy that someone is asking about that here's the thing with salesforce salesforce is a super important tool data is very important in order to follow up what activities work and what activities do not work. Salesforce is also important for us when it comes to international cooperation. And obviously, this is not an easy project to launch. Our CEO, Dominika Skretowska, has done an amazing job in launching this. And I think that we have made a lot of progress and we have a buy-in from all country managers and everyone is putting a lot of focus on this. we're not done but we're making massive projects on this uh what type of mnage objects are you mainly looking at now is it still uh non-network companies yeah so we've looked at a couple of those uh we have not really pursued anything they they keep popping up some of them are interesting some of them are are less interesting uh i think we've seen a few cases uh this year in the in the first quarter and the beginning of the second quarter but there are actually some some network things going on also so it's actually both here's the question what measures have you taken in spain to turn around the financial segment and i think you know as a broad comment here what's what's going on in spain is that people are working a lot with API connections rather than traditional tracking. And I would say that the traction has a competitive offer there that we're trying to improve even more. And we expect to improve that this year. And then we will see if that is enough to turn things around. The Spanish team is working very hard to change things. And I think that they will eventually. have you seen any new advertiser coming in or doubling up on affiliate marketing to the to want to increase ai visibility and i think what what's going on here is that the person who's asking this question has noted that it is helpful for for brands to have visibility on partner pages in order to be seen in the ai models so i've talked about this before, and I think this is still holds true. And, you know, whenever someone decides to start working with attraction, they do that for many reasons. So they like the service levels. They like the fact that our partner portfolio is very broad and qualitative, but they also like the chance of getting some visibility. So it's difficult to say that we're winning accounts because of the visibility thing, but it certainly helps. It certainly helps in the discussion and it's still true. I don't know that it will be true forever, but it is for the time being. You have previously mentioned that you are unprofitable in France and Italy. What is the current status on their performance? So in France, losses are significantly lower, but we're still making losses. Remember, we've done some changes in france and actually mr tinty who is country manager in italy because it has has also taken over as country manager in in france because he's doing such a good job in italy in italy we are close to profitability brano exactly do you remember that andreas we are at break even but we're also adding to leverage growth yeah All right. So I hope that was a question. Can you talk a bit about your strategy on securing bigger European customers across several markets? Yeah. So this is obviously a super long term project. And I think, first of all, we think that it's necessary to be locally present in key markets in order to do a good job and have great relationships with partners in the key market so this is something that we've consistently built for 10 or more years then the next thing is that we need to have a good model for working across markets and make sure that brands get the same service and can have the same expectations in all markets and we've actually recently deployed a new model for the international cooperation and we have a small international team working with that so and we have identified the the key customers that we want to reach and we have started working on us and the strategy is to to use local connections to to wherever the European market is the strongest so that's currently our strategy my guess is that we will over time also to build a European sales team, like an international sales team. There's a lot of work still to be done, but I think that we're making a little bit of progress every year. Can you please remind us why it makes sense that Bundler is a part of attraction and why M&A is non-core business makes sense for us shareholders? Well, M&A in non-core business, in most cases, probably does not make sense for shareholders or for attraction. When we do something that is non-core, it needs to be related to the core. So we need to somehow make an improvement for either partners or brands, or we will not make the transaction. So if we can make life better for our customers and thereby actually support our core business, then it makes sense. It's a little bit difficult to perhaps explain that and understand that without pointing at what we've been looking at. And I guess I cannot really, for confidentiality reasons, talk too much about what we have looked about. but i'm with you here dear questioner that we should 100 focus on our core business and whatever we we do should in one way or another uh uh strengthen our core business i would like also to to point out that we've done fem five mna transactions and all of them have been network network and businesses and all of them have have involved the search for networks effect and we've also found network effects and synergies in all of those cases because the business has been moved to our platform and and why does it make sense that bundler is a part of a attraction well uh here's here's what happened with with with bundler so we were approached by the founders of bundler they saw a great opportunity to to develop the bundler concept they saw that attraction had something that is relationships to merchants and resellers and technical now know-how and initially the idea was actually to have bundlers business in in attractions platform. That was how we started that thing. And then Bundler would have been a little bit closer to our core. It turned out that that was not a good technical solution. So we changed that and developed our own platform because we were so excited about the project. And the way that this makes sense for the shareholders and for attraction now is that we are still exposed to sort of the similar customer base and above all we see a potential to create great value here can we get any color on how commission levels and conversions are trending or commission levels lower but conversions are growing or what is the dynamic so i'm going to be completely honest here i didn't i didn't do any recent analysis on this i would say that in general we have seen a a positive development for commissions we have seen a positive development for uh commissions in both finance and e-commerce uh actually uh and my feeling is that we have the same development for conversions but i'm not entirely sure on that some so so so i would i would rather refrain from commenting more on that uh and then a final question is about uh about um about uh bundler how how is bundler uh helping the network well again you know we we work with in some cases we work with the same uh with the same uh customers and the same resellers i would also like to uh talk about attraction plus uh attraction plus is for exit traffic at brands so if you buy something at some brand you will sometimes get a little pop-up which is thank you for being a great customer and here's a nice subscription offer for you and we're doing that with bundler to a great extent they have a product called triple which i believe is via play Storytel and Ridley in a good bundle you should go there triple.se get your own bundle and I think that's a good illustration of how we can cooperate I am not saying that bundler is core business I am saying that there are touch points in common and that we see a good value potential and that we have a very good uh founder team here all right so uh we had very few questions on the financial uh development here i guess that that has been clear enough andreas so uh and i think that we have answered all the questions uh thank you for your interest and see you again next time. Thank you very much.

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