MasterBrand, Inc. Q2 FY2025 Earnings Call

Good morning, and welcome to today's joint conference call hosted by Masterbrand, Inc. and American Woodmark Corporation to discuss proposed merger between the two companies. This call will also include Masterbrand's second quarter 2025 earnings conference call, which is previously scheduled for August 6th at 4.30 Eastern Standard Time. In addition, American Woodmark will provide commentary on select preliminary first quarter fiscal 2026 financial results, which were announced earlier today in connection with the proposed transaction. During the company's prepared remarks, all participants will be in a listen-only mode. Following management's closing remarks, callers are invited to participate in a question and answer session. Please note that this conference call is being recorded. I will now pass the call over to Henry Harrison, Senior Director of FP&A and Masterbrand. Sir, the floor

is yours. Thank you, and good morning. With me on the call today are Dave Banyard, President and Chief Executive Officer of Masterbrand, Scott Colberth, President and Chief Executive Officer of American Woodmark, and Annie Simon, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer of Masterbrand. Masterbrand and American Woodmark issued a joint press release earlier this morning regarding their definitive agreement to combine in an all-stock transaction. Additionally, MasterBrand issued a separate press release earlier this morning, disclosing its second quarter 2025 financial results. The joint press release and investor presentation that will be used on today's call are available on the investor section of each company's website at masterbrand.com and americanwoodmark.com. The MasterBrand earnings investor presentation is also available on the investor section of MasterBrand's website at masterbrand.com. I want to remind you that this call will include forward-looking statements in either our prepared remarks or the associated question-and-answer session. These forward-looking statements are based on current expectations and market outlook and are subject to certain risks and uncertainties that may cause actual results different materially from those currently anticipated. Additional information regarding these factors appears in the section entitled Forward-Licking Statements and the Joint Press Release Issued by MasterBrand and American Woodmark earlier this morning in a section entitled Forward-Licking Statements and the Press Release Issued by MasterBrand earlier this morning disclosing MasterBrand's second quarter 2025 financial results. More information about risk can be found in MasterBrand's filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission, including under the heading Risk Factors and MasterBrand's full year 2024 Form 10-K and updated as necessary in its subsequent 2025 Form 10-Qs, which are or will be available once filed at sec.gov and at masterbrand.com, and in American Woodmark's filings with the Security and Exchange Commission, including under the heading Risk Factors in its fiscal 2025 Form 10-K and updated as necessary in its subsequent fiscal 2026 Form 10-Qs, which are or will be available once at AmericanWoodmark.com. The forward-looking statements in this call speak only as of today, and neither MasterBrand nor American Woodmark undertakes any obligation to update or revise any of these statements, except as required by law. Today's discussion includes certain non-GAAP financial measures. Please refer to the reconciliation tables, which, in the case of MasterBrand, are in the press release issued earlier this morning disclosing MasterBrand's second quarter 2025 financial results, which is available at masterbrand.com. and in the case of American Woodmark, are in the joint press release issued by Masterbrand and American Woodmark earlier this morning, which is available at masterbrand.com and americanwoodmark.com. Our prepared remarks today will include a discussion on the transaction for Masterbrand President and CEO Dave Banyard, American Woodmark President and CEO Scott Colbreth, and Masterbrand Executive Vice President and CFO Annie Simon, as well as an overview of American Woodmark Select Preliminary First Quarter Fiscal 2026 Financial Results, followed by a discussion of MasterBrand's Second Quarter 2025 Financial Results from Dave Banyard and Annie Simon, along with MasterBrand's 2025 Financial Outlook. Finally, Dave Banyard will make some closing remarks before we host a question and answer With that, let me turn the call over to MasterBrand President and CEO, Dave Banyard.

Thanks, Henry, and good morning, everyone. We appreciate you joining us for today's call on short notice. I'm very pleased to be here today alongside the President and CEO of American Woodmark, Scott Colbreth, and Masterbrand CFO, Andy Simon, to discuss Masterbrand and American Woodmark's definitive agreement to combine in an all-stock merger transaction that we believe will accelerate value delivery to customers, associates, and shareholders. This all-stock transaction is a transformative step forward for both companies and brings together two customer-centric platforms to create the industry's most comprehensive portfolio of trusted cabinet brands and products across a broad price spectrum, delivering even better overall choice, service, and value to customers and consumers. Master Brand and American Woodmark bring highly complementary strengths, strong and broad portfolios of world-class cabinet brands and products, and streamlined, low-cost manufacturing profiles. Importantly, both Master Brand and American Woodmark are long-established American companies with the vast majority of manufacturing operations based in the United States, a key differentiator we believe will enable the combined entity to compete more effectively in today's complex and evolving market environment. Through our combined strengths and resources, we are confident in our ability to unlock and deliver meaningful value with speed, agility, and diligence. With the industry's most comprehensive product and brand portfolio, broader geographic reach, enhanced support and marketing capabilities, and greater operational flexibility, we believe the combined company will be well-positioned to drive accelerated growth and innovation while optimizing the customer and consumer experience. Complementary cultures, which are rooted in a shared commitment to customer focus and operational excellence. This positions us well to deliver value. We expect to realize, following close, approximately $90 million in run rate cost synergies by the end of year three and for the transaction to be accreted to adjusted diluted earnings per share in year two while generating significant cash flow. Combining the resources of both Master Brand and American Woodmark is expected to enable increased investments in next generation automation to drive further efficiencies, advance production innovation, and provide an enhanced customer experience. Before I turn it over to American Woodmark President and CEO Scott Colbreth, I'd like to give an overview of the transaction terms. Under the terms of the agreement, American Woodmark shareholders will receive 5.15 shares of Masterbrand common stock for each share of American Woodmark common stock owned at the closing of the transaction. Upon closing of the transaction, which we expect to occur in early 2026, subject to shareholder approvals and receipt of regulatory approval, Masterbrand shareholders will own approximately 63%, and American Woodmark shareholders will own approximately 37% of the combined company on a fully diluted basis. Masterbrand's board will expand to 11 total directors, with eight directors from the current Masterbrand board and three directors from the current American Woodmark board following close. I will serve as CEO, and Masterbrand non-executive chairman David Petratis will remain as chairman of the board for the combined company, which will be called Master Brand. The combined company will be headquartered in Beachwood, Ohio, and will maintain a significant presence in Winchester, Virginia. With that, I'll turn it over to Scott.

Thanks, Dave, and good morning. Today's an exciting day for American Woodmark, and one that we believe will advance our mission of creating value through people. We are pleased that American Woodmark shareholders will receive meaningful immediate value and benefit from substantial ownership in a stronger, more diversified company with significant value creation potential. Together with MasterBrand, we will unlock new opportunities to accelerate growth, innovation, and value creation for our customers, our communities, and our team members. Our portfolios align strategically, spanning the full spectrum of customer needs, and following close, MasterBrand will continue to offer our legacy brands that customers know and trust. Overall, through the added scale, resources, and operational agility created by this merger, we expect to become a stronger company positioned to grow faster than we would on a standalone basis. American Woodmark has built a reputation for quality, innovation, and efficiency, driven by our steadfast commitment to the customer experience, a core focus that we share with Masterbrand. I'm confident that our shared approach will ensure we continue exceeding expectations and building lasting relationships. As referenced in our joint transaction press release, we announced today's select preliminary first quarter fiscal 2026 financial results. Please refer to our guidance in the transaction release we issued this morning accessible on our investor relations website. Shortly, Dave and Andy will speak to the current market conditions. Our belief remains that our products and platforms will allow us to capitalize eyes on tailwinds, generated in the industry when mortgage interest rates decline and consumer confidence, new home construction, and existing home sales increase. Together with the proposed transaction with Masterbrand, we will enhance our ability to serve customers and deliver profitable growth and learn term value for our shareholders. We're excited about the future and what we can achieve together. Now I'll turn it back to Dave to walk through the strategic benefits of the

transaction. Thanks, Scott. As I mentioned previously, this combination brings together two customer-centric platforms to create the cabinet industry's most comprehensive portfolio of trusted brands and products. Customers and consumers of both Masterbrand and American Woodworm are expected to benefit from increased access to an expanded portfolio of world-class brands, including stock, semi-custom, and premium products across the full price spectrum. importantly we remain committed to growing each company's legacy brands which channel partners know and trust brand the addition of american woodmark's portfolio further enhances master brand's existing portfolio and brings master brand closer to customers through a diversified channel mix and expanded geographical footprint we believe the addition of american woodmark's semi-custom brands offers an exciting opportunity for growth and expands master brand's existing offering at this price point, offering customers increased optionality. For American Woodmark, the addition of premium, semi-custom, and additional stock brands provides access to a broader and even more balanced channel mix that we believe will drive meaningful value creation and greater opportunities for a superior customer and consumer experience. The enhanced diversity of the pro forma channel mix is anticipated to bring the combined company even closer to more customers, providing direct access to more high-growth markets and increased touch points for customer support with an enhanced service offering, and offering customers greater access and flexibility to where and how they purchase. With that, I'll now turn it over to MasterBrand Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer Andy Simon to walk through the combined

company's financial profile. Thanks, Dave, and good morning. We believe this transaction will accelerate value delivery for all shareholders and provide customers and consumers with a unique and distinctive offering. From a balance sheet perspective, we expect the combined company's pro forma net debt to adjusted EBITDA ratio at close to be below master brand stated two times target leverage ratio. This positions the combined company to maintain exceptional flexibility to continue to invest in our customers and our business, as well as deliver even greater value to shareholders. The combined company is expected to generate significant free cash flow, and on a trailing 12-month basis, we would drive approximately $639 million in pro forma adjusted EBITDA, inclusive of anticipated run rate cost synergies of approximately $90 million by the end of year three following close. While the transaction consideration is comprised solely of MasterBrand stock. MasterBrand plans to arrange a revolver expansion with its current banking group to refinance American Woodmark's debt following the close of the transaction. Now turning to expected synergies. As mentioned previously, following close, the combined company is expected to achieve run rate cost synergies of approximately $90 million by the end of year three. These anticipated cost synergies are in addition to the savings initiatives already underway at both MasterBrand and American Woodmark and the continued expected synergies from MasterBrand's acquisition of Supreme last year. These expected synergies are primarily driven by procurement and overhead optimization, manufacturing network optimization, and operational excellence through the implementation of best practices and technologies from both companies, and we are confident in our ability to realize these significant value creation opportunities. Additionally, following close, MasterBrand will appoint Executive Vice President, Corporate Strategy and Development, Nat Leonard, as Chief Integration Officer to lead the implementation of the integration plan under WORX. In this critical role, Nat will be responsible for carrying out the detailed planning and diligence completed by both companies and turning it into tangible results, aligning teams, processes, and systems to realize the full value of these projected synergies and position the combined company for long-term success. I will now hand it back to Dave to further highlight the

strategic benefits of the transaction. Thanks, Andy. In addition to our shared customer-centric cultures, I want to emphasize our shared commitment and relentless focus on innovation to elevate the customer experience and fuel sustainable growth. As Andy mentioned, the combined company is expected to generate significant cash flow to drive our capital allocation strategy. Together, we see a powerful opportunity to invest across areas of our business to create a more agile foundation that we believe will enable us to further optimize operational efficiency, advance product innovation, expand e-commerce capabilities, enhance both in-person and digital engagement, and elevate the customer experience. Further, our shared commitment to fostering mission-driven cultures that drive innovation, uplift customers, empower partners, and strengthen communities creates a powerful foundation for long-term success. We believe this alignment not only differentiates the combined company, but also enhances our ability to deliver lasting value. Scott and his team have built a strong culture of deep customer relationships, operational excellence, and leading with integrity in every facet of their business, and we're energized by the opportunity to bring together exceptional talent across MasterBrand and American Woodmark and are confident in the impact we can make together. With that, I will now turn to MasterBrand's second quarter 2025 financial results. Strong results for the second quarter of 2025 reflect our team's continued focus on disciplined execution, operational consistency, and resilience across our business. Despite ongoing market softness and a challenging external backdrop, we've remained committed to our strategic priorities and what we can control, serving our customers with excellence, managing costs effectively, preserving margins, and executing on our ongoing supreme integration strategy. This morning, I'll provide an overview of the market environment and key trends, and Andy will walk through our financial results and outlook. During the second quarter, the broader single-family new construction market declined low single digits, driven by ongoing pressure on housing starts and completions. Despite that backdrop, we outperformed the market with our builder direct sales up 5% year-over-year. Our consistent service performance has helped us continue to gain share with both existing and new builders, despite elevated interest rates and persistent macroeconomic uncertainty. Looking ahead, we continue to expect overall new construction and market demand to be down mid-single digits for the full year 2025. However, we believe our strong position, operational discipline, and trusted service model will allow us to continue delivering value in this evolving landscape. Shifting to the repair and remodel market serviced by our dealer and retail customers, we saw continued choppiness in demand as end markets have been impacted by higher housing costs, low existing home turnover, and low consumer sentiment. Our legacy repair and remodel business, excluding Supreme, declined approximately mid-single digits year over year, which was aligned with the broader market and our expectations. Reduced consumer confidence led to softer traffic at our retail partners, with impact most pronounced in stock cabinetry and across our e-commerce platform. Our semi-custom products demonstrated growth in the quarter as consumers trended towards the middle of the portfolio options, underscoring the value of our multi-tiered product offering. We anticipate the end market softness to continue in repair and remodel throughout the remainder of the year as consumers continue to defer large discretionary purchases in the uncertain economic environment. We continue to expect this market will be down high to mid-single digits for the full year 2025, in line with our outlook for the market more broadly. Against that backdrop, we are executing well on the integration of Supreme with the majority of our plant consolidation initiatives in North Carolina nearing completion. We remain aligned with our synergy realization timeline and expect these benefits to ramp meaningfully in the second half of 2025. The integration of Supreme remains a major unlock for our business as we navigate a challenging market environment. While 2025 remains defined by external complexity, it's equally a year of focused execution and opportunity. We're doing what we said we would do, managing costs, advancing integration, funding innovation, and delivering for our customers. With this said, we're reaffirming our full-year guidance, a reflection of our confidence in the business, and the momentum we're carrying into the back half. Now, with that, let me turn the call over to Andy.

Thanks, Dave. I'll begin with a review of our second quarter financial results, then provide context for our full year 2025 outlook. Second quarter net sales were $730.9 million, an 8% increase compared to $676.5 million in the same period last year. Similar to what we saw in the first quarter, our top line growth was driven primarily by the continued contribution from the Supreme Acquisition, which remains on track with our expectations. We also benefited from the flow-through of planned price improvements and share gains, particularly in the new construction market. These gains were partially offset by overall softness across the markets we serve and the corresponding volume decline. Girls' profit was $239.7 million, up 3.8 percent compared to $231 million in the same period last year. Girls' profit margin was 32.8 percent, down 130 basis points from last year, but improving by 220 basis points from the first quarter of this year. This sequential improvement reflects expected seasonality, while the year-over-year decline was driven primarily by lower volumes and associated fixed cost leverage. That pressure was partially offset by contributions from Supreme, our continuous improvement efforts net of inflation and higher net ASP. Tariffs were a minor factor in the quarter, and I'll touch more on our full-year mitigation strategy in a moment. SG&A expenses totaled $159.4 million, up 8.7 percent, compared to $146.7 million in the same period last year. This was primarily driven by the addition of Supreme's SG&A expenses. Net income was $37.3 million in the second quarter compared to $45.3 million in the same period last year. The year-over-year decline reflects the higher SG&A just mentioned, as well as increased amortization and restructuring costs. These were partially offset by lower interest and tax expenses. Interest expense declined to $18.9 million from $20.6 million in the same period last year, driven by the absence of one-time charges associated with the senior notes issued in June 2024 to fund the acquisition of Supreme. Income tax was $11.7 million, or a 23.9 percent effective tax rate, in the quarter, consistent with our expectations, and compared to $14.8 million, or a 24.6 percent rate in the second quarter of 2024. The slight decline in our effective rate was primarily driven by the mix of earnings across domestic jurisdictions. Adjusted EBITDA was $105.4 million, relatively flat compared to $105.1 million in the same period last year. Adjusted EBITDA margin came in at 14.4 percent, reflecting a 110 basis point decline year over year, driven by the same volume-related leverage challenges I referenced earlier. However, these were offset in part by continuous improvement savings net of inflation, contributions from Supreme, and pricing actions. Diluted earnings per share were $0.29 in the second quarter of 2025, based on 129.1 million diluted shares outstanding. This compares to $0.35 in the second quarter of 2024, which was based on 130.7 million diluted shares outstanding. Adjusted diluted earnings per share were $0.40 in the current quarter compared to $0.45 in the prior year period. Turning to the balance sheet, we ended the quarter with $120.1 million of cash on hand and $418.6 million of liquidity available under our revolving credit facility. Net debt at the end of the second quarter was $878.6 million, a $66.1 million reduction sequentially, resulting in an improved net debt to adjusted EBITDA leverage ratio of 2.5 times, in line with our expectations. We remain on track to achieve a sub-2 times leverage ratio by the end of the year. Net cash provided by operating activities was $53.4 million for the six months ended June 29, 2025, compared to $96.1 million in the comparable period last year. Second quarter cash generation improved significantly sequentially as several non-reoccurring outflows from the first quarter did not repeat. Capital expenditures for the six months ended June 29, 2025 were $27.9 million compared to $18.3 million in the comparable period last year. The increase reflects planned investments related to the integration of Supreme and our ongoing footprint realignment efforts. These investments are aligned with our full-year capital allocation plan. Free cash flow was $25.5 million for the six months ended June 29, 2025, compared to $77.8 million in the comparable period last year. This year-over-year decline was anticipated and consistent with our internal expectations. We remain committed to our full-year objective of generating free cash flow in excess of net income. As we look to the back half of the year, we expect free cash flow to normalize, supported by the absence of certain one-time payments, more typical seasonal patterns, and growing benefits from our integration initiatives. We continued share repurchases in the second quarter via a pre-established 10B51 program. During the 13 weeks ended June 29, 2025, we repurchased approximately 576,000 shares of our common stock. The shares were repurchased at a total cost of approximately $6.7 million, or an average of $11.69 per share. Now turning to our outlook. Our full-year 2025 financial outlook includes only those tariffs currently in effect and is consistent with our previous outlook. It does not reflect potential implications from proposed trade policy changes. We continue to monitor the dynamic tariff environment closely and are closely watching the potential reinstatement of Section 232 tariffs on steel, aluminum, and lumber, which could take effect as early as August 15th. If implemented, we anticipate these could have a significant impact on cost, and the overall impact on demand remains unknown at this time. We believe it is prudent not to quantify that impact at this stage, given the lack of clarity around scope, timing, and duration. That said, we are continuing to prepare for a range of mitigation strategies, including targeted price increases, supplier renegotiations, and longer-term shifts in sourcing and footprint. As Dave mentioned, Masterbrand is reaffirming its expectation that our addressable market in 2025 will be down high to mid-single digits year-over-year, with continued variability by end market. We continue to expect our annual net sales to decline low single digits overall, including a mid-single-digit contribution from Supreme, and organic net sales are still expected to be down mid-single digits. We are reaffirming our full-year adjusted EBITDA guidance of $315 to $365 million, with a corresponding margin range of 12 to 13.5%. In addition, we are reiterating our previous expectations on interest expense, effective tax rate, and adjusted diluted earnings per share, consistent with what we shared on our most recent quarterly earnings call. Given the uncertainty around tariffs, and in particular, the potential impacts on demand, we believe maintaining a wider range remains prudent. Please note, this outlook does not reflect any anticipated financial benefits from the proposed merger with American Woodmark, nor does it include expected transaction or integration-related costs. We are very excited about the announced merger between MasterBrand and American Woodmark. By leveraging our respective strengths and harnessing the expected synergies between our businesses, we believe the combined company will be able to drive greater value for customers and shareholders. Now I would like to turn the call back to Dave.

Thanks, Andy. We're executing well in what continues to be a challenging environment. Our culture and associates' dedicated use of our business system, the Master Brand Way, is proving to be effective. Our supreme integration initiatives are progressing on schedule, and as a result, we delivered a strong second quarter. We're taking proactive steps to manage tariff and sourcing risks, and we are maintaining a balanced view of 2025. thought. Cautious in the near term, but confident in our long-term trajectory. Additionally, I want to reiterate our excitement about partnering with Scott and the American Woodmark team. This transaction brings together two highly complementary businesses with strong customer-centric cultures, extending our combined geographic reach, enhancing our support and marketing capabilities, and increasing our operational flexibility. We anticipate that the proposed merger between MasterBrand and American Woodmark will position the combined company to unlock and deliver meaningful value for our customers, associates, and shareholders.

We'll open the call up to Q&A. Thank you. The floor is now open for questions. If you do have a question, you may press star 1 on your telephone keypad at this time. If your question has been answered, you can remove yourself from the queue by pressing 1. Again, ladies and gentlemen, It's DAR1. And our first question comes from Garrick Moyes from Loop Capital.

Oh, hi. Congrats on the merger announcement. I was wondering if you could just, first off, start with the timing of the transaction. Why now? Clearly, the markets are still pretty choppy. So, just kind of curious as to the decision to come together at this point.

Yeah, good morning, Garrick. Thanks. I think what we like about this transaction is it's a really compelling combination of two great U.S. companies with great value generating opportunities, lots of opportunity and value to generate for our customers with the expand. You know, we think bringing together makes it more efficient and delivers higher value to our customers. Plus, coming together really fortifies our financial profile, which has a couple of benefits. One, it allows us to really continue to invest in our business, but also bolsters us for market dynamics. And I think lastly, you know, I think the transaction and the combination really expands the opportunity for our associates and team members. And we have very complementary cultures that we, I think you put all those things together and it makes it a good time to do this transaction.

Scott, did you have anything to add? Yeah, just to add to those comments, Dave, I think a three key stakeholder group, specifically when I think about customers that can provide choice service value to that particular group, I think about shareholders and it comes from this $90 million in year three. And then as Dave's and associates, you know, growth opportunities as being part of a larger organization.

And I think I'll have one last thing, Derek, is, you know, if you look at the presentation at close, we come out with it being below our on a leverage ratio. And so I think that that prepares us well, again, like I said, for whatever market environment that we're in.

Okay. That makes sense. On the cost synergies, I was wondering if you can go into a little bit more detail, you know, within the different buckets where you see the most opportunities.

Yeah, I think to start, we did a very deep dive, a joint deep dive. We also brought in a pennant resource to look at opportunities there. So we've done a very detailed analysis. I think at this point in time, we're at a little under 60% in COGS. There's a lot to be done there, and so I think that's the level of detail we're comfortable with.

Okay, that's fair. And the last question is just on the combined entity will have meaningful exposure across the different channels. And, you know, just wondering how you're thinking about concentration or even cannibalization issues that you might experience, both on the channel perspective and any thoughts to any regulatory hurdles that the merger might face.

Yeah, I mean, I think I'd start by saying we recognize it's a competitive environment out there. We've got to earn our place every day, and we do that individually today. I think combined, as I said around, we think that partners as well as in that customer, as it comes to the range, we're very confident that we can get through that process.

Just one additional comment I'd add to that. When you do look at the pro forma data, I hear it on this specifically. I would tell you that I think it's a better –

I'll leave it there. Congrats, and best of luck moving forward.

Thank you. Our next question comes from McLaren Hayes from Zellman & Associates.

Hey, guys. Congratulations. organizations. On the cost energies piece, any more detail that you could share around the phasing of that $90 million over the three-year period? Yeah, thanks for the question,

McLaren. I think probably the best way to think about that is if you go back to how, and that's, there are certain things that are easier and certain things that are harder, and without going into too much detail, because again, I think it's pre-phased in a similar fashion to what you saw from Supreme. So there'll be some early stage things that are easier to do that we'll get after right away, things like supply chain consolidation and so forth. And then as you go further out, there's a little bit longer and require in-depth planning and thought before you make money.

And I guess on Supreme, you know, relative to that $28 million three-year target, can you quantify, you know, where you expect to be by the end of the year on that?

Yeah, I think we're on track to we're in year two here. on track for those synergies and as we've highlighted in the past calls and i'll give you a little more detail our north carolina consolidation is largely complete we're making cabinets at run rate for for all the brands that we use are premium brands so they're a bit more complicated uh than yours and then as the other consolidation that we're working on is really again phased in uh we expect that to be largely complete uh certainly by this time next year but probably a bit earlier than that. So, you should start seeing that run for 18 months.

Okay, great. And then, yeah, Dave, I think you called out some pre-buy activity. I guess, could you quantify that in the quarter or, you know, give us some detail on how demand's

shaping up so far in the third quarter? Yeah, I think the way I frame it is we saw steady demand in quarter, we see the storm clouds, if you will, on the horizon with starts and completions. That carried a bit through, you know, we're getting into that zone, job in that category, characterize the large amount of spec homes still available on the market. So that's how I characterize that. On the repair and remodel side, I think it's been very similar for the past several quarters of this choppiness, it's at a reduced level, and I think you can see that in our results and in our projections. So, I'd say there's no change in trajectory on R&R. It's just been, I don't know, Scott, if you wanted to add anything on what you're seeing.

Yeah, similar pattern. R&R has been kind of bouncing at the bottom. It's the way we frame that. It's been consistent. I would say new construction a little worse in our most recent quarter than the prior quarter as we started to see some of the impacts of the very soft

Appreciate all the color.

Thank you. Again, ladies and gentlemen, that's star one to ask a question. Our next question comes from Trevor Allison from Wolf Research.

Hi, good morning. Thank you for taking my questions. You guys both have pretty notable presences on the home center channel. Do you expect on a combined basis that you're going to see any difference in your exposure there versus what the pro forma combined would be? And then a similar question on dealers versus builders. MatchBrands, historically, bigger presence with dealers. American Woodmark, historically, bigger presence with the builders. Any early reads on if there's a preference to change the combined exposure versus where the pro forma numbers would shake out to?

I think the way I'd answer it, Trevor, is what we like about this transaction is we think it actually brings more value to all of our customers to bring these overall value. I think where there's some interesting opportunity is our extensive and American Woodmarks. They have some great products, and much like we did with Supreme, we fully intend to introduce those products into our dealer network. There's a lot of similarity in that there's very complementary overlap. There's not a huge amount of overlap between our dealer networks, and I know that's been a focus. You've just got a much bigger sales force. I'll say that we did not, in our deal modeling for either side, didn't plan on these. They're not built into our model, much like we did with Supreme. But we do see compelling opportunity there for growth, the product to offer.

Just adding on to that as well, Dave, maintaining and expanding our customer relationships is going to be a top priority. We're already actively engaging with our customers as early as in the last hour to discuss the benefits of the companies coming together in our hands to offerings and service capabilities. and our view, as Dave just highlighted, with the expanded portfolio of companies.

Okay, thanks for that. It makes a lot of sense. And then a second question, you talked about the combination helping you compete better in today's environment. I think you mentioned, again, an uncertain environment from a demand perspective, but I think maybe also you were alluding to an environment where bigger tariffs are potentially in place. So can you just talk about how the combined organization would be better suited to compete in that environment?

In general, the tariff environment.

Good luck moving forward. Thank you.

Thank you. And our next question comes from Stephen Ramsey from Thompson Research. Go ahead.

Hi, good morning, and congrats on the deal. Well, I wanted to start with the network optimization and the synergy benefits from there, American Woodmark, just the two new facilities in Hamlet and Monterey to help the business as demand gets better. I'm curious how you think about the network as it is and putting the companies together and where the benefits could come from.

Yeah, thanks for the question. I think the way we look at it is we have complementary. There's a lot of work to do. What you do is you look at your customer footprint, the service levels that you provide, optimize off of that. I mean, any of these kind of and how you serve them, and then you work back,

and that's the work to be done. Okay, that's helpful. And similar type of question, thinking about the brands of these two, really three companies, if you include Supreme, how you think about potentially pruning brands and focusing to get any marketing spend optimization, if that's baked into the synergy or how you're thinking about it? I think there's more to come there.

I don't think it's, I think we sort of see it as additive in a lot of ways. There may be some opportunity for that. But as we started looking at this, where we both have gaps, you know, the cabinet industry is interesting. There's a lot of different brands out there. Trade brands have bringing those additions. What's the most efficient way to serve our customers? But I think

Okay, that's helpful. And last quick one for me, may have missed it, but wanted to get the cost of achieving the synergies for American Woodmark and then maybe just on a percentage basis, how it compares to the cost to achieve synergy within Supreme.

So the integration costs, they will, you know, they'll phase as well with some being up front and then the ramping as we do some of the consolidations. But they will be, from a ratio perspective, they will be, from a dollar perspective, similar, but from a ratio perspective to the size of the company, less. And that's because, you know, when you look at consolidations and some of the complexities of Supreme, they were premium businesses. So those are much more difficult to combine, where this is more on the value semi-custom stock product. So I won't say it's easy, but it's less difficult than what a premium consolidation is.

Great. That's helpful. Thank you.

Thank you. And our last question comes from Tim Wallace from Bard. Go ahead, Tim.

Hey, everybody. Good morning. Congrats on the acquisition and the deal here. Maybe just if, you know, first question, just if you could talk a little bit maybe about the process of this transaction and maybe how this, you know, the deal has kind of come together on both sides. And then if there's any sort of kind of breakup fee or anything like that, you know, on either side would be helpful.

Yeah, thanks, Tim. You know, Scott and I started talking about this earlier in the year, and it quickly came to the conclusion that there's a compelling value to be generated in combining two great U.S. companies. And we started and we continued the conversations from there and did a lot of detailed work on both sides, understanding that in terms of the deal specifics that have been published, that's got all the deals specific to look at. And it's a very market-based transaction merger agreement. So I take a look at that.

Okay, that sounds good. And then I guess on a pro forma basis, I mean, you know, there's been a lot of acquisition activity, you know, say in the cabinet space over the last, you know, five to eight years. Where do you think like the combined entity would be from a market share perspective, you know, once the deal closes in total?

I think I'd rather not comment on that, Tim. I think we put some information in our channel coverage, the combined entity's product portfolio, and I think that's a good way for it to direct look like it closed.

Okay. Okay, sounds good. Congrats to everybody.

Thanks, Tim.

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