Good day, and thank you for standing by. Welcome to the Outset Medical Q4 2025 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in listen-only mode. After the speaker's presentation, there'll be a question and answer session. To ask a question during the session, you'll need to press star-11 on your telephone. You will then hear an automated message advising your hand is raised. To answer your question, please press star-11 again. Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. I will now turn the conference over to Jim Mazzola, Head of Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Good afternoon, everyone, and welcome to our fourth quarter 2025 earnings call. Here with me today are Leslie Trigg, Chair and Chief Executive Officer, and Renee Gaeta, Chief Financial Officer. We issued a news release after the close of Market Today, which can be found on the investor pages of OutsetMedical.com. This call is being recorded and will be archived on the investor section of our website. It is our intent that all forward-looking statements made during today's call will be protected under the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Outset assumes no obligation to update these statements. For a list and description of the risks and uncertainties associated with our business, please refer to Outset's public filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission, including our latest annual and quarterly reports. Leslie?

Thanks, Jim. Good afternoon, everyone, and thank you for joining us. 2025 was a year of progress and transformation at Outset Medical, a year where we overcame adversity to emerge with a stronger foundation and even deeper capabilities to help hospitals, health systems, post-acute, and home providers improve patient care outcomes at lower costs and with less complexity during the year we substantially reduced our cost structure while making significant investments to extend our technology and service leadership these investments were key to our announcement two weeks ago about the fda clearance of our next generation tableau platform second we meaningfully strengthened our team and infused new talent into key leadership roles in finance medical affairs and field service Third, we recapitalized the company with less debt and new capital to fund Outset through cash flow, grace even, and beyond. Fourth, we expanded our base of published evidence, demonstrating the significant clinical, operational, and financial benefits that can be achieved by insourcing with Outset and Tableau. In particular, the clinical value proposition came into clear focus as our customers documented even more evidence of improved clinical outcomes. Fifth, we maintained a very high customer satisfaction, or CSAT, score, above 95% for the exceptional customer service we provide. And lastly, we continued to sign new agreements for the insourcing of dialysis at new and expansion sites, including at one of the largest national health systems in the country with well over 100 facilities. Tableau is now used at roughly 1,000 acute care sites in the United States. Turning to our financial results for the year, we announced preliminary fourth quarter revenue last month, which came in at the high end of our revised guidance range. At $119.5 million, revenue grew by 5% over 2024 and set this up for what we anticipate will be an even stronger growth year in 2026. As we have worked toward greater consistency and predictability in our top-line results, we continued our steady five-year expansion of gross margin to finish the year at 39.6% non-GAAP gross margin. Gross margin exiting the year was well above 40%, which keeps us on a trajectory to our next milestone of 50%. Moving to our end markets, I am most proud of the progress we made during 2025, strengthening our partnership and presence with acute and post-acute care providers. We began to see vocal champions emerge throughout our customer base because of the clinical and operational benefits that can be achieved by insourcing without that. The financial benefits have long been understood and remain a key selling point. In 2025, we saw new momentum from nursing leaders sharing their experiences with improved clinical outcomes as well. Lower infection rates, reduced length of stay, and higher nurse satisfaction with the dialysis service line that is insourced with Outset. Operationally, from gross margin expansion to product innovation to operating expense performance, we made meaningful progress in 2025 and took strides on our path to profitability. In the past year, we reduced cash usage by $70 million, increased gross margins by more than 500 basis points, and continued to narrow our operating loss. Additionally, we made investments in innovation to further extend our technology lead, and just two weeks ago, received FDA clearance for the next generation Tableau platform. This new platform is the first dialysis system cleared under the FDA's 2025 cybersecurity requirements and includes hardware and software enhancements that improve performance and system reliability as well. A 2025 survey of U.S. healthcare IT and cybersecurity professionals published in the HIPAA Journal found that 93% of healthcare organizations had experienced at least one cyber attack in the past 12 months, with an average of 43 attacks per organization annually. Cyber attacks slow patient care, reduce a hospital's capacity, and create staffing strain. More than 70 percent of hospitals experiencing a significant cyber attack report direct patient care disruption, which is why health systems now treat cybersecurity as a critical patient safety issue. A dialysis system that meets FDA's most stringent cybersecurity requirements helps protect hospitals by reducing the risk of compromise, limiting the risk of spread, and safeguarding patients. We view Tableau's secure-by-design architecture, multi-layer authentication, and resilience against unauthorized access, as well as its compliance with FDA's rigorous cybersecurity standards, has a significant new competitive advantage. It provides yet another compelling value proposition. on top of cost savings and on top of clinical outcomes improvement that we believe will be recognized by health systems amid ever-increasing concerns over cybersecurity, continuity of care, and patient safety. This clearance is the 10th 510 for Outfit, building on our track record of innovation in the dialysis market. The Next Generation Tableau is also a new foundation from from which we intend to innovate further with future enhancements planned to widen and deepen the moat we have already established in the acute and home markets. We are excited for the planned launch toward the end of the second quarter. Turning to our commercial organization, our team executed well in the fourth quarter against many of the largest opportunities in our pipeline. We closed the deal that had shifted out of the third quarter and made meaningful progress on several others. I am proud of the fourth quarter execution our sales leadership team demonstrated, and optimistic about the additional strides we can take in 2026. Our strong pipeline is reflective of the benefits that can be achieved by insourcing dialysis without best proven technology, expert know-how, and exceptional service. And now together with a next generation Tableau launching this year and a rich roadmap of additional innovations to follow, we expect to drive growth for many years to come. With that, I'll turn it over to Renee for more detail on the year and our guidance for 2026.

Thank you, Leslie, and good afternoon, everyone. Revenue in the fourth quarter of $28.9 million consisted of $19.9 million in product revenue, which, as expected, was below $21 million in the fourth quarter of last year. The components of product revenue include console sales, which grew 11% to $6.4 million, consumable sales of $13.5 million. As we indicated last quarter, consumable sales were lower in the quarter compared to the fourth quarter of last year due to order timing. Consumable revenue did rebound sequentially, just as we had anticipated on last quarter's call based on our Tableau utilization data, growing nearly 11% over the third quarter. We were very active during the quarter to to tighten up our forecasting methodology for treatments, which now includes closer collaboration with our largest customers on their ordering pattern. I believe we have made improvements to better predict treatment demand, and we will continue to monitor tableau utilization and ordering data as we hone our approach. Service and other revenue of 9 million grew 6% from 8.5 million in the prior year period. Recurring revenue from the sale of Tableau consumables and service was $22.5 million, again growing sequentially as we anticipated on last quarter's call, but down from the fourth quarter of 2024 due to customer ordering patterns that resulted in a strong fourth quarter in the prior year. Next, I will walk through our gross margin and operating expenses for the quarter. Please refer to the tables in today's earnings release for a reconciliation of GAAP to non-GAAP measures. Non-GAAP gross margin expanded more than 500 basis points from last year, reaching 42.9% for the quarter, even with another 130 basis point headwind from the underabsorption of manufacturing overhead. the manufacturing headwind, we would have seen non-GAAP gross margin closer to the mid 40% range. Product gross margin increased 640 basis points year-over-year to 50.7% from 44.3% in the fourth quarter of 2024. This marks the first time product gross margin has exceeded 50%. Service and other Other gross margin was 25.6%, growing 470 basis points from 20.9% in the fourth quarter of 2024. This progress keeps us right on our path to the next milestone of 50%. Moving to operating expenses, non-GAAP operating expenses declined nearly 4% to $25.7 million, compared to $26.6 million in the fourth quarter of 2024. Non-GAAP operating loss was $13.3 million, 14% below the operating loss of $15.5 million in the prior year period. Non-GAAP net loss of $15 million was 22% lower than $19.3 million in the fourth quarter of 2024. These positive results reflect our drive to profitability. Moving to our balance sheet, we ended the quarter with $173 million in cash, cash equivalents, short-term investments, and restricted cash. We used approximately $9 million in cash during the quarter. To close out the full year of 2025, we reported revenue of $119.5 million, a 5% increase over 2024. Product revenue was $84.8 million, a 5% increase over $81 million in 2024. Service and Other Revenue was $34.7 million, a 6% increase over $32.7 million in 2024, and Recurring Revenue was $88.7 million, also a 6% increase over $83.9 million in 2024. Non-GAAP gross margin for the year increased 400 basis points to 39.6% or 41.1% excluding the impact of manufacturing under absorption. For the full year, the under absorption headwind was 150 basis points right on our forecast and will have a diminishing effect in 2026. Non-GAAP operating expenses in 2025 were $97.8 million, a 19% reduction from $120.7 million in 2024. Non-GAAP net loss was $65.4 million, a 31% decline compared to $94.8 million in 2024. Turning to our guidance for 2026. We expect revenue to be in the range of $125 million to $130 million, a 5% to 9% increase over 2025. In terms of revenue timing, we expect the first quarter to be roughly flat to the fourth quarter of 2025 and then stepping up through the rest of the year. For non-GAAP gross margin, we expect to be in the low to mid 40% range. A higher console mix would move gross margin lower in the range, just as a higher mix of consumables would move gross margin to the higher end of the range. We expect the manufacturing under absorption that was a headwind in 2025 to attenuate as we move through 2026. Finally, we anticipate continued operating leverage this year with operating expense growth at roughly half the rates of expected sales growth. In terms of cash use, we expect Q1 to be our highest cash use quarter for the year due to planned investments in inventory and manufacturing. On a full year basis, the combination of revenue growth, gross margin expansion, and expense discipline will enable us to use less cash in 2026 than the 46 million we used in 2025. With that, I will turn the call back to Leslie for closing comments.

Thanks, Renee. I want to close by reiterating that we operate in two large end markets where we remain the clear technology leader. Tableau consoles have performed more than 3 million cumulative treatments, and what is even more astounding is the depth and the breadth of our data repository. There are now more than 8 trillion data points in our cloud platform, which helps fuel our analytics and innovation engines, improves the customer experience, and ultimately enhances patient care. We're gaining scale with significant growth runway ahead through hundreds of master sales and service agreements already in place and a pipeline of new customer opportunities. All of this progress sets a powerful foundation for value creation over the long term. Providers, including many of the largest health systems in the country, are realizing the advantages that insourcing with Tableau can deliver. Our team is differentiated by its expertise and an unwavering commitment to our customers and the patients they serve. I expect we will demonstrate that commitment again in 2026 as we drive growth and move ever closer to profitability. With that, I think we are ready for Q&A. Operator, please open the line.

Thank you. As a reminder, if you would like to ask a question, please press star 11 on your telephone. If you would like to remove yourself from the queue, please start on one again. We also ask that you please wait for your name and company to be announced before proceeding with your question. One moment for the first question of the day, which will be coming from the line of Marie Thoubault of BTIG. Your line is open. Oh, good evening. Thanks for taking the questions.

I wanted to start here with NextGen Tableau. Thanks for the background on the advantages that system will offer, can you tell us a little bit about how that might change, you know, the markets that you can go after, the types of hospitals you can go after, whether it might change the sales cycle timelines, and any ASP lists that we might see as well from that launch?

Sure, I'm happy to address that. Thanks for the question, and hello. Yeah, so let me talk a little bit more about that. It's one of my favorite topics right now because we are really proud of the work that went into this and what we believe will be the value that we deliver to hospitals. I myself have talked with so many hospital leaders around cyber and particularly those that view vendor devices as their biggest vulnerability. They not only have to worry about the security of their own network, but of course, increasingly, all of the different devices that are connected to it. So I think it's more than fair to say that health system executives have an extremely heightened focus on the cyber safety of the medical devices being used in their environment. So given the fact that we now have the first dialysis system harmonized with FDA's very rigorous cybersecurity standards, I do believe it will help us generate incremental attention and interest among potential customers, I'd say regardless of size, maybe to hit on one part of your question, I haven't seen a big difference in the level of cybersecurity attention between small, medium, or large hospitals. They're all concerned about it because it's something that they increasingly view through the lens of like fundamental patient safety. So yes, I do think that this will be a potential tailwind, a potential catalyst for us. in 2026 and obviously beyond. I do think that it could, again, very early. We just got the approval a couple of weeks ago, so too early to speculate. But minimally, I think that we will see incremental attention and interest. And I do think that our ability to offer hospitals sort of advanced cyber safeguards will be very positively received. In terms of the ASP lift, Look forward to giving you more specifics on that as we get a little closer to the launch, a little bit deeper in the year. We do, I think philosophically, we have always followed a philosophy around pricing for value, and we believe that the value to this upgrade is quite significant. But I'll close by saying, you know, stay tuned as we get a little deeper into the year on specifics.

Okay, very helpful, Leslie. Thank you for that. And then a quick follow-up on the sales force and the deal pipeline. Certainly sounds like you've tightened up the process so that you have cleaner visibility into timing and the deals. But can you tell us anything about the stability of the sales force? Was there any attrition post the leadership leaving? Are there any updates on the search for the leader? And anything sort of on how you're viewing the deal pipeline now given the guidance of, you know, sequentially flat for first quarter. Thanks for taking the

question. Absolutely. Yeah. Well, I think as I reflect on Q4 and I'll say current state, you know, today, we do have an experienced sales leadership team. They did an excellent job at keeping the organization focused on the quarter. I think the results of Q4 reflect that, albeit on a revised guidance range. We did execute at the top of that revised guidance range. We did see the treatment renormalized. We did see the deal from Q3 that slipped close in Q4. We did see console sales bookings land exactly where we expected them to land in Q4. So all of that was encouraging. Now, as we kind of look forward, Renee and I remain very hands-on inspecting the pipeline and forecasted deals, and we're still operating at a very detailed level. We'll obviously continue vigilant monitoring, but in terms of, you know, stability and focus of the sales organization, I'd say so far so good. We do still have a search underway, which is being done for us by a leading executive search firm. Because we do have a very strong and capable sales leadership team in place today, it is affording us the time to find, you know, the best of the best. So we're being very deliberative to ensure that we have the best cultural and operational

fit for the business. Maybe lastly, I think, what? Sorry, sorry. I was just saying thank you.

Oh, thank you. But I was going to address the third part of your question, which I think was pipeline in Q4 and kind of across 2025. So looking back on the year in full, yes, the pipeline did grow across all the key metrics that we measure, which are the overall size of the pipeline. The average deal size, in particular, deals over a million dollars in console value. And then we also look at, does the pipeline look healthy in terms of diversification? And we look at diversification in a couple of different ways. One is diversification between new customers who are coming into the pipeline interested in moving from outsourcing to insourcing with Outset. And then existing customers who are already insourced with Tableau and looking at expansion to new facilities based on, you know, the clinical or operational financial benefits that they've already seen and proven out to themselves. So, yes, we do see good diversification between new and existing. We also look at the diversification in terms of hospital size. We see good diversification between kind of the big brand name Beachhead health systems that have entered our pipeline, but also medium-sized hospitals and small hospitals. And I'll maybe take an opportunity just to touch on a point that's adjacent to your question, Marie. When I talk about small hospitals, we're really proud of the impact, albeit early, it's nascent, but the impact that we have had in 25 and we expect to have in 26 with critical access hospitals. These are hospitals that are increasingly looking at standing up new dialysis service lines because dialysis clinics and their local rural communities have closed. And the patients, therefore, in these rural areas do not always have access to any sort of dialysis care, which obviously is problematic because it is a life-sustaining therapy. And so we are proud of the partnership that we're starting to effectuate with critical access hospitals to ensure that these rural communities have consistent access to dialysis. So very long-winded answer. I apologize for that. But in terms of pipeline diversification across the size and type of the hospitals, I think we are very well balanced, again, across large enterprise solution level deals, again, all way down to critical access hospitals and sort of everything in between thank you so much thank

you one moment for the next question and our next question is coming from the line of joshua

jennings of td cow and your line is open hi good afternoon thanks for taking the questions and wanted to follow up on marie's question your answer leslie just on the pipeline diversification um is there any way to or two questions within one one can you quantify the pipeline growth um 20 entering 25 versus entering 26 or vice versa and then just as we think about the potential to expand your current customer base and just the sales cycle associated with those deals is there any is there a prioritization of the sales force to reduce the sales cycle or is there or is the mix uh appropriate as i think as you stated um any any strategic attack plan just in terms of the different buckets within the pipeline um thinking about contracting the

sales cycle over the next 12 to 24 months yeah thanks josh um those are all great questions i'm going to answer them with a little bit of sensitivity from a competitive standpoint but let me see if I can at least provide some helpful color. So you really hit the nail on the head when you talked about the sales cycle, and that's exactly why diversification in the pipeline around deal size is important, and why the diversification between sort of new customers and expansion customers is important. The larger the deals, the longer the sales cycle, and that's not unique to outset. That's, I think, universal to any capital equipment business. When customers are new to outset, obviously, you've got a few extra steps around master sales and service agreements and OAs, et cetera, long before you get to a PO. And that always adds some time. When you're dealing with enterprise solution opportunities, you are talking about 10 hospital conversions, 15, 20 or more hospital conversions, sometimes all at the same time. And those are big decisions. We recognize that those are big, important decisions. And so understandably, those types of deals are going to involve more stakeholders at the health system level. You not only are working with a system CNO as a, for example, if it's a 15 or 20 hospital system, you also need to make sure that all other 15 or 20 local level CNOs are on board and enthusiastic. And so that takes a bit more time. So when we look at the larger enterprise opportunities, our sales cycle, and we've shared this before, it remains, I would say, in that nine to 12 month plus plus range that it can be as long as a year and a half. At the same time, when we look at deals that are much smaller, that is close. That can be as little as, you know, three to six months. And so as we think about the design of our pipeline, the management of the pipeline, that's exactly how we're thinking about it, Josh, is really about a balance between sales cycle time. You also asked me about the Salesforce focus, and here I'll be a little bit more artful, but I would say that we are focused on serving any and all hospitals and post-acute facilities that want to kind of control their own destiny when it comes to the clinical, operational, financial benefits of insourcing versus outsourcing. With that being said, yes, you're right, that if you're thinking about customers who already have a footprint with insourcing in Tableau, in the theoretical, you know, that often can have a shorter sales cycle with lower barriers to adoption. But, again, I want to stress we're focused on serving everyone who wants to control their own destiny moving forward for better patient care. Hopefully that provides a little bit of helpful color.

No, definitely. I mean, it may be a little bit too granular, but just any color on or a quantification of, I guess, the pipeline, ending 26 versus 25?

Yeah, we saw about the same amount of growth in the pipeline as we did between 24 and 25. We saw, again, about the same rate of growth between 25 heading into – year-end 25 heading into the beginning of, sorry, year-end 24 and the year-end 25, about the same rate of growth as we did the prior 12 months. So I continue to be very encouraged about the demand that we're generating, and I think that some of the pipeline, I know that some of the pipeline expansion more recently has been because of this new clinical value proposition that's been emerging and been published increasingly by our own customers, seeing a reduction in length of stay, a reduction in CLABSI rates, even a reduction in code blues during dialysis treatments. And I have understood from potential customers that that has driven, I would say, an incremental wave of interest beyond the financial ROI benefits that have been long understood within sourcing the Tableau for a

couple years now. Great. Thanks. Maybe I'm just seeking one more. Sorry. Multi-part question on that last one. But just thinking about the guide and 5 to 9 percent revenue growth, any help just thinking about as we're forecasting and updating our models, console growth versus consumable

growth within that range? Thanks for taking the questions. Sure, Josh. Happy to step in here. I think you know as we sat back and thought about the guidance range we absolutely look at it across the three primary components of revenue and the different puts and takes to each of those so you're right in that our five to nine percent growth is our you know what we believe is our balanced best approach right now for the full year and I would believe that my position is that you should think about forecasting growth for recurring revenue to be roughly in line with that top line growth. As you can even see for what we just performed on for 2025 against 2024, we saw very consistent revenue growth in console, consumables, and service. Thanks again.

Yeah. Thank you. One moment for the next question. And our next question will be coming from the line

of Kendall Al of RBC. Your line is open. Hi, thanks so much for taking my question. I just had like two modeling questions. I know you guys continue to track ahead of expectations on gross margins. Is there any update on the timeline to getting to that 50% mark? Can you achieve that prior to exiting 2027? And then also I have a quick question. Does your current cash, is that enough right now for you to reach profitability, or do you need to raise any more cash before reaching that point? Thanks so much.

Sure, yeah, great questions. I think as you can see on gross margins alone, you can see that year after year, we continue to execute against gross margin, and just last year had a 500 basis point improvement. So we are continuing to march towards that pathway, and as you've indicated, our goal is 50%, and we just saw that even with just product gross margin for Q4. We're going to guide for the current year to, as I mentioned, sort of the low to mid 40% range but we do feel as though that that 50% absolutely within our planning horizon I'm just not going to give a formal year to when we're going to achieve that but we absolutely look forward to doing that and sharing that with with everyone at that time specific to cash on the balance sheet you know I think as you think about we've got a hundred and seventy three million in cash cash equivalents and investments as you've seen just from our performance in this past year. We brought operating cash burn down from $116 million in 2024 down to $46 million in 2025. And as stated on our call, we will look to better improve against that in 2026 as well. And we absolutely believe that we've got sufficient cash on the balance sheet to get us to

profitability and beyond. I really appreciate the color there. And then just a quick question on capital budgets. I was wondering what you're seeing on the hospital capital budget environment right now. Do you feel like it's up year over year? And also, what's the state right now? And then also, can you give me a little commentary? I think you talked about having a backlog. Is that still, like, can you talk about the size and maybe the scale

of that right now for Tableau? Sure. Yeah. Well, on the capital spending front, we are not seeing any material changes, at least in the customers that we're calling on or the customers that are in our pipeline, we have not really observed any material changes in their planning or how they're thinking about capital spending for 2026. So nothing, you know, systematic or widespread that changes our outlook either near-term or long-term. Backlog, yes, that has been an important lever for us in the past. It remains an important lever for us as we move forward over the planning horizon. And I would say we feel very good about where we're entering 2026, and that will continue to be one of the KPIs that we measure ourselves against as we move through the year and into 2027.

Thank you. One moment for the next question. And our next question is coming from the line of Rick Wise. So, Steve, your line is open.

Good afternoon. Hi, Leslie. Hi, Renee. Just I want to have some follow-up questions sort of building on a lot of the excellent questions already discussed. On the next-gen Tableau system, it's great to see it, a couple of follow-ups. One, is there an upgrade opportunity here? Like, does your existing installed base upgrade for a nominal fee? Is it a whole new Tableau they would buy? Is there an opportunity to upgrade your entire existing base at a full cost of a new Tableau, whatever that ASP would be? Maybe just help us understand that. Could you talk a little bit more? The cybersecurity topic is obviously compelling alone, but help us understand some of the additional, some of the other new features and capabilities and how that might add to Tableau's luster and ease of use and clinical utility. And then I have a related

follow-up question to that. Thank you. Okay, great. Yeah, perfect. Why don't I, I'll try to address the first part and then we can go to your part too. So on the next gen and the upgrade opportunity. Short story long, yes. Our existing installed-based customers will have full access to this upgrade. They will be able to upgrade. At the same time, new customers will also have an opportunity to buy new Tableau's that already contain, because they've been manufactured in, already contain all of the software, hardware, and cyber upgrades that I'm about to elaborate on in one second. So yes, this is a full access upgrade both for that will be available to the current install base and also new customers moving forward. You also talked about or asked about what are some of the details around on the cyber front? What does that really mean? And, gosh, this could be like an hour-long conference call, a podcast, that I'm sure you all would really enjoy. But I will try to keep my answer brief. This was a massive amount of work for our team and took us many, many, many months of technical achievement to reach. But, for example, we updated physical network cloud connections with new software and hardware changes. We added many, many, many new security controls. Our software now has round-the-clock cyber monitoring. In terms of the device performance itself and some of the reliability improvements, those, again, are its new software, a new operating system, new hardware. And how this translates to the customer benefit was something you also asked me about. Well, number one, we're always focused on improving uptime, which in and of itself improves the user experience. And so when you've got device performance enhancements, reliability enhancements, you are improving uptime, that the availability of that device, the more the device is available, you know, the better the patient care experience. Patient care can be delivered when it is needed by the patient. And then, of course, the user experience with nurses and biomeds in the hospital will be beneficiaries of the device performance and the reliability improvements as well. And I think I'll say, you know, moving forward, we're not done. You know, we are extremely committed to what I like to call customer-centric innovation, not inventing things because we can from an engineering standpoint, but inventing things because we've heard them from users, feedback, ideas. The improvements in this next gen are a direct example of kind of this customer-centric orientation and very reflective of many of the suggestions and ideas we've gotten directly from our nurse users and others within the acute care and post-acute environment.

Great. And just to build on that, just in the simplest of terms, and you have told us the ASP or whether it's more or less or equal to the current generation of Tableau, but if I assume there are more features and the cybersecurity is an incremental value and it's higher, what does this all mean for your gross margins once you're fully launched? Is this margin accretive at that point? Is there a manufacturing learning curve? And so it actually depresses them initially, you know, as you, as you launch, uh, just, and, and maybe just related to, sorry to ask such a multi-part question, but what's in your guidance at this point? Uh, a first or a second half guide and bringing that, that gross margin question into it, uh, how do we think about the new tableau, uh, impacting margins? Thank you for dealing with all that.

No problem, Rick. This is Renee. I'll help sort of answer some of the gross margin questions and in particular how we're thinking about this. So as Leslie mentioned, you know, we're working on the commercial launch strategy and have a Q2 timeframe around that where hopefully we'll give additional clarity specific to ASPs that I would say we absolutely think that there is value to product innovation and that this product just continues our innovation pipeline and that customers will see value in that. Specific to gross margin, you could imagine that that could be a potential tailwind specific to revenue throughout the year, but also gross margins. We've strategically thought about this product launch, this product generation, as Leslie just mentioned, the ability for current customers to upgrade their devices if they so choose what future manufacturing of devices look like plus also the the units that I have on hand in finished goods at the moment the functionality we really thought about this when we were designing this this next generation and the ability to have that flexibility to upgrade to add the components and of course add the software so current state within our gross margin guide you know we've we've factored it in I would say similar to how you can think about gross margin I don't right now we currently don't expect it to be sort of a big detriment I know sometimes companies have that when they're switching generations or versions of their device we think this will be relatively a mild impact and of course the more consoles that we do sell, that has a dampening effect on gross margin, as you know from our history. So in some ways, I'd love to sell, you know, have a tailwind from this and sell more consoles, have higher top-line revenue growth. That could dampen in the near-term gross margin, but as we've thought about it in the current guide, both from a revenue perspective and a gross margin range, you know, we need the commercial launch will be sort of late Q2, so it'll be back-end included in our back-end assessment, and let's see how that launch goes and how it rolls through the, you know, summer months.

Thank you for all the color.

Thank you. That does conclude today's Q&A session. I would like to turn the call back over to Legley now for closing remarks. Please go ahead.

Great. Thanks to everybody for joining today. I'd like to close by thanking our customers and our team for the very, very meaningful difference that they make every day in the lives of dialysis patients. Hope you all have a great evening.

Thank you so much for joining today's conference call. This does conclude today's meeting. You may now disconnect.