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Suncor Energy Inc Q2 FY2025 Earnings Call

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Earnings Call FY2025 Q2 Call date: 2025-06-30 Concluded

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Speaker 0

Good day, and thank you for joining us. Welcome to the Suncor Energy Second Quarter 2025 Financial Results Call. Please note that today's conference is being recorded. I will now turn the conference over to your speaker, Suncor Energy's Senior Vice President of External Affairs, Mr. Troy Little.

Speaker 1

Thanks, Troy. Our second quarter was about completing major maintenance and project activities and positioning for a strong second half. We successfully accomplished both. I'll highlight operational performance. Kris will cover financial. But let me first start with personnel and process safety. Following our two safest years ever in 2023 and 2024, I'm pleased to report the first half of 2025 has been even safer in all categories across the board, a credit to our employees and our contractors. Upstream production, our highest second quarter and our highest first half in company history. First half at 831,000 barrels a day beat our previous best set last year by 28,000 barrels a day. For those keeping score, our past four quarters have all set quarterly records. First half Upgrader utilization, 94% despite major base plant turnaround activity. Over two years, the first half of '25 versus the first half of '23, we've achieved a production increase of 89,000 barrels a day. This increase alone would rank as Canada's 10th largest oil producer. Refining throughput, again, highest second quarter and highest first half in company history. First half at 462,000 barrels a day beat our previous best, also set last year by 20,000 barrels a day. Like the upstream, our past four quarters have all set quarterly throughput records. First half refining utilization, 99% here again, despite major turnaround activity. Over two years, the first half of '25 versus the first half of '23, we've achieved a throughput increase of 81,000 barrels a day. This increase alone would rank as essentially Canada's 10th largest refinery. Product sales, same story, highest second quarter and highest first half in company history. First half at 603,000 barrels a day beat our previous best once again set last year by 15,000 barrels a day. Like refining and upstream, our past four quarters have all set quarterly sales records. We've had 13 months in our history with sales greater than 600,000 barrels a day, 9 of the 13 have been in the past 12 months. Over two years, first half of '25 versus first half of '23 achieved a product sales increase of 72,000 barrels a day. This increase alone is equivalent to 5% of Canada's entire refined product sales. Operating costs for the first half were $6.46 billion, down $135 million versus the first half of '24 despite higher production, higher refining throughput and higher product sales. Over two years, the first half of '25 versus the first half of '23, operating costs are down $765 million despite 89,000 barrels a day higher production, 81,000 barrels a day higher refining throughput and 72,000 barrels a day higher product sales. The message is that we continue to achieve higher performance, significantly higher volumes, significantly lower costs, setting records, raising the bar quarter-on-quarter, year-on-year, operating leverage creating value. Through our people, their expertise, commitment and determination focused on what we can control, embracing a culture that every barrel and every dollar matter. Let me move to turnarounds. Historically, greater than 20% of our capital, $1.25 billion per year has been spent on turnarounds. For two years, we've been focused on improving cost and schedule performance via benchmarking, risk-based work selection, work planning and execution. In May of last year, at our Investor Day, we committed to reduce turnaround costs by $250 million per year over three years. With that backdrop, I'll highlight second quarter performance. Edmonton refinery, large work scope, including major crude unit. Previous turnaround of the same unit was 44 days. Our 2025 plan was 41 days. We completed it in 36, improving from the fourth quartile in North America to the second quartile. Previous cost was $159 million. This year, we achieved it for $142 million, $17 million or 11% lower. Compliments to Gavin Knight and the Edmonton team. Sarnia refinery, also several units, including major crude, previous turnaround of the same scope was 44 days. Our 2025 plan was 40 days. We completed it in 28, improving from the fourth quartile to the first quartile. Previous cost was $108 million, this year it's $94 million, $14 million or 13% lower, credit to Lesli De Carolis and the Sarnia team. Base Plant Upgrader 1 initial estimate was synced with the Coke drum replacement project at greater than 100 days. Our 2025 plan required the turnaround completion in less than 91. We completed it in 67. Planned cost was $259 million, we completed it for $231 million, $28 million or 11% lower, improving from fourth quartile performance to second. Well done to Bruce Durnford and the Base Plant team. 2025's turnaround schedule is split between the second and third quarters with third quarter events including Firebag plant 92, Montreal Refinery, Edmonton Refinery and Syncrude 1 coker. Overall, we project 2025 performance to be approaching industry second quartile with second quartile in North America representing best-in-class in Canada. Bottom line, we are exceeding our improvement targets initially focused on duration and cost, now interval extensions. In fact, our 2026 business plan, which is under development includes interval extensions on future Base Plant and Syncrude cokers, Edmonton and Sarnia refineries and all Firebag plant turnarounds. Therefore, based on our improvement and our confidence, we are raising our annual turnaround capital reduction target by $100 million from $250 million per year to $350 million per year. This does not include the added benefit of higher uptimes and associated volumes. I want to talk about two capital projects completed in the second quarter. Base Plant U1 Coke drum replacement, the most extensive Coke drum replacement project in industry history, eight 100-foot tall 26-foot diameter drums weighing nearly 300 tons each, new drums, foundations, cutting decks and ancillary systems. 40 heavy lifts with one of the world's largest cranes, the heaviest equivalent to 620 Ford F-150 pickup trucks. We funded it at $1.2 billion. Initially scoped at more than 100 days, we committed to 91 in guidance, reviewed by third-party experts for validity. Well, Ryan Jackson and his team completed it in an astounding 67 days, a 24-day improvement versus guidance, $165 million or 14% below funding. The project was literally executed flawlessly. Every detail was mapped out. Every scenario was contemplated. We built full-scale models to practice the most critical steps. Bottom line, we systematically derisked the entire event. World-class performance by any standard. Now decades of benefits, modernized design, upgraded metallurgy, automated controls, enhanced safety systems, lower maintenance costs and higher reliability. I would urge you to check out our website for a three-minute video on the project. Second project, Syncrude, Mildred Lake West mine extension, $1.5 billion gross project to develop 730 million barrels of bitumen replacing the North mine. The project involved a new mine, haul roads, transport bridge, power lines and pipeline. The oil sands lease is literally the size of Manhattan. We developed it without a new tailings pond or processing plant. We achieved first ore in April 6 months ahead of schedule at a cost $100 million below funding. Kudos to Niaz Ahmed and Adrian Larkin and their teams. Our 2025 project and turnaround performances illustrate that today's Suncor delivers, beating ambitious benchmark-based performance improvement targets. Guidance. Last December, we issued a 2025 capital guidance range of $6.1 billion to $6.3 billion. Since then, we have accelerated turnaround improvements, executed major capital projects under budget and performed better across a wide range of base business activities with an intense organization-wide focus on capital and capital efficiency. As a result, today, we issued a revised lower 2025 capital range of $5.7 billion to $5.9 billion, a midpoint reduction of $400 million. Incremental free funds will go to buybacks. And although it's too early in the year to update volumes, year-to-date performance points to the high end of all guidance ranges. Institutionalizing operational excellence. 15 months ago on our first quarter 2024 earnings call, I described Suncor's long-standing system to manage risk, reliability and overall operational performance, a system that provided sites with operational requirements or expectations, but a system that left it up to each site to determine how to meet the expectations, I shared with you that we judged that system to be too complex and insufficient in meeting our high-performance standards of today. As a result, we designed an entirely new system to achieve operational excellence based on work processes, processes such as managing reliability and managing maintenance: 21 standards detailing how to achieve operational excellence based on industry best practice was developed by subject matter experts and frontline employees for more than a year. Our objective is to ensure clarity, consistency and quality in how we operate. Conversion from the old system to our new system started in earnest in late 2024. I'm pleased to report we achieved our ambitious timeline with all sites now fully converted to our new system. The new system is literally a game-changer, institutionalizing operational excellence, reducing site-by-site variation and elevating overall performance. I personally reviewed page all 21 work processes and practices and based on my 40 years of experience, I can attest it's best-in-class. Special call out to Sylvie Tran and her team who led this work and to our site leaders for embracing the change. With that, I'll turn it over to Kris.

Great. Thanks, Rich, and good morning, everyone. We definitely had a stellar quarter and a showcase of operational excellence. Now, before I review the quarter results, I do want to highlight our exceptional shareholder returns in Q2 delivered during a major turnaround quarter and ongoing commodity price volatility. In Q2, we again returned nearly $1.5 billion to shareholders, including $697 million in dividends and $750 million in share buybacks. Year-to-date, our buybacks are nearly double those of our nearest oil sands competitor. We have repurchased 2.3% of our equity float so far this year or nearly 1.2% per quarter, supporting future dividend and free funds flow per share growth. Since the beginning of 2023, we've returned $13.6 billion to our shareholders via share buybacks and dividends, representing 22% of our average market cap through that period. Our integrated business model, coupled with focused operational performance delivers high-quality cash flows that are reliable across the commodity cycle, which we are deploying to ensure strong returns for our shareholders. Now turning to the second quarter overall performance. It was a quarter marked by continued volatility in crude oil prices. WTI ranged from the high 50s to the mid-70s in Q2, all within a very short window, averaging USD 63.70 per barrel for the quarter, a drop of almost $8 a barrel from Q1. Also, the light heavy differential tightened to $2.45 a barrel versus Q1, averaging USD 100 per barrel discount relative to WTI, while synthetic crude improved by $3 a barrel to a $1 per barrel premium versus TI. 2-1-1 cracking margins improved in the quarter driven by improving gasoline cracks and distillate cracks and our 5-2-2-1 refining index grew to USD 27.85 per barrel. Meanwhile, the Canadian dollar strengthened with the CAD to USD exchange rate moving from $0.70 to $0.72. Even with this headline crude price volatility, our integration across the value chain allows us to offset those headwinds, delivering reliable and high-quality cash flows. An example, based on our publicly shared sensitivities, an $8 drop in WTI and a 2-point strengthening of the Canadian dollar would have about a $0.5 billion impact on quarterly AFFO, all else being equal. However, our best-in-class integrated model, which captured stronger refining margins and improved synthetic pricing, coupled with strong operational performance mitigated over half that impact. That's an equivalent to an extra month of share buybacks at our current pace. That's the value of our unique integrated business. It enables us to reduce the inherent short-term variability of cash flow in a commodity business and deliver more stable, resilient results and cash for our shareholders. Looking to the second half of 2025, we expect continued commodity market volatility, including ongoing concerns around global trade and tariffs. That said, the refining outlook remains constructive for Suncor with positive supply-demand balances, low product inventories, especially in distillate and announced refinery closures supporting demand for our exports. As a 2-1-1 refiner, Suncor benefits from widening distillate cracks, and our traders are actively pursuing margin-enhancing opportunities, both domestically and leveraging Suncor's export capacity from both the West and East Coasts. On Q2 operational performance, even though it was a heavy turnaround quarter, impacting production and refinery throughput, we were still able to put a number of records on the board. Upstream production was 808,000 barrels per day in the quarter, the highest second quarter in company history. Oil sands production in the quarter was 748,000 barrels per day, reflecting the impact of the turnaround and Coke drum replacement project at Base Plant Upgrader 1. Meanwhile, exploration and production averaged 60,000 barrels per day in the quarter, which is in line with Q1 production. Also, despite the significant amount of turnaround activity in the downstream in the quarter, overall refining utilization remained extremely robust at 95% with crude throughput of 442,000 barrels per day, the highest second quarter in company history. Refined product sales remained consistently strong at 600,000 barrels per day, thanks to our sales and marketing and supply and trading teams who ensured continued product supply to key markets and that we maximize margin across our value chain. To that point, downstream margin capture relative to our 5-2-2-1 index averaged 96% in the quarter despite the impact of planned maintenance at both Sarnia and Edmonton. Even with all the planned maintenance, our focused execution, integrated model and cost and capital management delivered solid financial results in the quarter. We generated $2.7 billion in adjusted funds from operations or $2.20 per share in the quarter and adjusted operating earnings of $873 million or $0.71 per share. Total operating, selling and general expenses was $3.2 billion, which was down over $130 million versus Q1. Capital expenditures totaled $1.65 billion in the quarter, including $674 million of economic investments and $975 million of sustaining and maintenance capital. And as Rich has already mentioned, we are reducing our full capital year guidance by $400 million to $5.7 billion to $5.9 billion. Our balance sheet remains very strong with net debt at quarter end at $7.7 billion and trailing 12-month net debt to adjusted funds from operations at well below 1x. In Q2, we realized an expected working capital release of $269 million with a drawdown in inventories following the Q1 build in support of turnarounds. As a reminder, we expect net debt to fluctuate around our $8 billion target as we actively manage working capital and ensure continued deployment of 100% of excess funds to shareholders. Overall, it was a very strong quarter on every front, and people across the company continue to drive for more improvement, focusing on delivering industry-leading reliability and operational uptime, along with improving cost and capital efficiency. As an example of that, after in-depth work by our technical and operating teams, we are extending all future U2 coker furnace outages outage intervals by a year. This move delivers a triple benefit; it reduces our capital spend for 2025, enhances profitability by delivering a greater proportion of higher-value synthetic crude oil relative to non-upgraded bitumen, and supports future plans to extend U2 major turnarounds from 5-year to 6-year intervals. At Upgrader 1, the combination of the new Coke drums and reliability improvements have already enabled us to extend the turnaround interval from 5 to 6 years with minimal maintenance required between turnarounds, translating into lower cost, higher reliability and more production between turnarounds. Also, at Fort Hills, we are extending our primary separation cell outages from every 6 months to once annually, moving this fall's turnaround to the spring of '26. These are tangible examples of the continuous improvement at Suncor, which marks a step change in our capital and operating profile and a clear illustration of Suncor's disciplined and focused actions on driving real shareholder value. We could not be more proud of what the Suncor team continues to achieve and its relentless pursuit of continuous improvement. And with that, Rich, I'll turn it back to you.

Speaker 1

Thanks, Kris. I'll be quick. Today's Suncor is about delivering operational excellence and high performance. We're sitting here in mid-2025. The year is shaping up to be a good one, but I can assure you, we are not done yet. We're operationally focused, financially strong and determined to compete and win. With that, I'll turn it back to Troy.

Speaker 0

Thank you, Rich. I'll turn the call back to the operator to take some questions.

Speaker 3

Thanks for the really engaging summary. A couple of questions. Maybe just the first one, Rich, as it relates to stream day capacity now on U1. So with the project having gone well, enhancements in place and so forth, has the stream day capacity risen there?

Speaker 1

Yes, I'll ask Peter to comment in a second, Greg. But I'll just make one comment. The project was not only executed incredibly well. But what was equally satisfying was the start-up. We turned the key and this thing, the engine roared and this thing has been humming ever since. Peter, do you want to comment specifically on what we're seeing?

Speaker 4

Yes. Thanks very much, Rich. Thanks, Greg. Stream day capacity on U1 remains the same today as it was historically, around 140,000 barrels per day range. The real benefit of the drum replacement on U1 is the upgraded metallurgy, like Rich referred to earlier and our ability to extend the turnaround intervals now structurally to 6 years. So that's a combination of the work done to upgrade the metallurgy on the U1 drums plus also some work that we did in the coker fractionation section, specifically around improving reliability around the trades and some of the flushing and the pump around circuits that we have there to manage falling. So at the end of the day, it will be a calendar day increase, but stream day remains the same.

Speaker 3

Okay. Understood. And then it's really a financial question. But between the lower CapEx, which from everything you said, sure sounds like it's going to be a structural reduction of $400 million plus margin enhancement and then when you relate that to your $8 billion net debt target, is $8 billion the right number on a go-forward basis, just presumably given better cash flow generation? And then is there any consideration or discussion amongst you in terms of doing a bigger buyback in addition to the NCIB sale like an SIB, if you did go the route of with a higher allowable debt number?

Speaker 1

That's a very fair question, Greg. The $8 billion was established based on a 1x coverage in a $50 per barrel WTI environment. As we put together our three-year plan, we are definitely ahead of schedule in executing and exceeding expectations in several areas. It’s worth examining this as business performance continues to improve, and while we haven’t explored it yet, it's a reasonable question that we will likely address more in the future. Kris, do you have anything else to add on this?

Not really too much, Rich. I think you just hit it on the head that as we're accelerating the pace of our improvement and we're looking at all dimensions of the business, we're certainly not looking at moving off our net debt target plan today. But we are generating a lot of cash flow. And Greg, you really pointed out the fact that we've got a lot of tailwinds behind us in terms of that cash generation. We are focused on increasing to the maximum amount possible excess free funds flow to our shareholders. And so we'll be looking at all dimensions. We're just really pleased with how fast we've been moving, but we're not putting our foot off the pedal either. We need to continue focusing on driving that TI breakeven down and ensuring that we're managing the balance sheet and returning cash to shareholders.

Speaker 1

I want to highlight a key point regarding the buyback, which is similar to a dividend in that we emphasize a reliable and growing dividend as a top priority for our shareholders. Kris noted our ability to mitigate volatility in commodity prices due to our business nature and integration. Throughout this year, we have consistently implemented buybacks of $250 million each month. We remain unconcerned about fluctuations in oil prices. This consistency and the confidence in our quality cash flows from both dividends and buybacks are extremely important to us. As we evaluate the enterprise's performance, we'll definitely consider increasing the buyback as appropriate.

Speaker 5

Congratulations on a record Q2. Rich, I appreciate your opening comments regarding the OEMS implementation. I was hoping you could elaborate on how you're driving the stronger turnaround performance and reducing the variation in the performance of your individual assets, and how that contributes to the higher confidence in stronger turnaround performance.

Speaker 1

Sure. Thanks, Dennis. I'm going to pass it over to Dave shortly, but I want to remind everyone that two years ago on this same call, I emphasized our commitment to improving turnaround performance. We recognized the significant benefits in terms of capital and the impact on days offline, especially during the second and third quarters, which typically have annual lows. Our goal was to minimize that variability and create a more consistent manufacturing operation throughout the year. We implemented structural changes to enhance our support for turnarounds and appointed Dave and Shelley Powell, who is not present today, at the senior executive level to lead this initiative. Currently, we are surpassing the targets we established, but this success is not merely due to chance or effort; it stems from a systematic and comprehensive strategy aimed at achieving best-in-class performance. Dave, would you like to discuss how we achieve this level of turnaround success?

Speaker 6

Thank you, Rich. You expressed that very well, and Dennis noted our successful execution of turnarounds with significant improvements compared to past performance, which is no coincidence. This process begins two years before executing a turnaround. Over the last couple of years, we have been implementing a plan for consistent world-class turnaround performance. Achieving this level of performance actually starts two years in advance with benchmarking. It's about understanding what the top performers achieve and motivating the site teams to reach a competitive target. This target is challenging, but it's essential for their success to buy into it. Once established, we adhere to our structured processes, selecting the right work scope based on risk, followed by detailed planning using our OEMS work processes, which minimizes variability, as Rich pointed out. Finally, strong execution in the field is crucial. While it may seem straightforward, there are numerous details that need to be managed effectively. The most encouraging aspect is that we still have opportunities for improvement. Initially, our focus was on benchmarks, work selection, and field execution, but now we are broadening our strategy to include extended turnaround intervals, which is the period between each outage. We still have much potential for ongoing improvement.

Speaker 1

I'll just amplify a point Dave made; the people in this room right now can talk to you about 2027 turnarounds. The work scopes that we're trying to lock down, the materials management that we need to have, the labor strategy and requirements, two years in advance, we can now talk about that, where previously we were focused on what was immediately in front of us for the next three months, six months. It's a rigorous approach. Quite frankly, it's what world-class organizations do, and that is increasingly what we are.

Speaker 5

Great. Really appreciate that color and kind of the fulsomeness of the planning looking forward. My second question, if we could switch gears a little bit, it's towards Fort Hills. I understand you've gone through some turnaround and maintenance there. Just from the work that we've done, it seems like progress has been made on the North pit as well. Can you provide us a little bit of an update as to where that's at and how you think about the asset performance as you kind of go forward, specifically as it relates to access to resource and ore?

Speaker 4

Yes, sure. Thanks, Dennis. Yes, Fort Hills is actually delivering exactly on the 3-year plan that we set out. In fact, I think it's 13 months in a row now they've had their budget...

Speaker 1

They've actually beat it 13 months in a row. We're going to audit that and see what's going on. What are they leaving in the bank? We want more.

Speaker 4

And so they are reliable, predictable. Importantly, they are managing the geological risks that manifested themselves a number of years ago, and we have that well on our radar screen with controls and mitigations forward. North pit development is progressing per plan. We're well established out there in the North pit now doing lots of stripping activities and dewatering activities. And I would say I'm confident in our ability to develop that resource per the plan and incrementally increase production from Fort Hills in the coming years.

Speaker 1

I would like to add that Fort Hills has a nameplate capacity of 194,000 barrels per day across its two plants. As we've mentioned previously, when we conduct maintenance work, we test the capacity of each plant. We are confident that each plant can handle 110,000 barrels a day or more. Currently, Peter and his team are assessing the entire process from start to finish to ensure sustainability. They are investigating what enhancements might be necessary to achieve higher, sustainable production rates, focusing on metallurgy and processing capabilities. This work is ongoing and highlights our commitment not only to meet our goals but also to seek improvements. Fort Hills serves as a strong example of our aim to achieve the planned output while also exploring ways to increase value through further debottlenecking. We are still in the early stages, but we are encouraged by our findings.

Speaker 7

I wanted to really unpack the upstream production volumes this year. The guide is, of course, around $810 million to $840 million, but yet, a lot of maintenance in Q2. So the back half, it feels to us like you can get to the top end of this range full year or maybe even exceed the top end just your perspective on that, and maybe you can break it down between oil sands, Fort Hills and Syncrude.

Speaker 1

If you look back at 2021, 2022, and 2023, during the second quarter, we averaged about 720,000 barrels a day while we conducted significant turnaround work. In the last two years, we've averaged nearly 800,000 barrels a day, and this year is surpassing that. Peter and his team are focused on enhancing performance during our major maintenance work, with extensive efforts to minimize variation and address seasonal impacts. The integration of Fort Hills and Firebag allows us to manage our operations more effectively. For instance, while executing tasks in the Base Plant, we can ensure Upgraders remain full, or we can redirect bitumen to the market during Upgrader maintenance. Our goal is to continuously improve overall performance. When we originally set our guidance, we recognized it would be a heavy turnaround year, specifically highlighting the U1, which we completed ahead of schedule and is now operational. Our teams are consistently discovering better ways to operate. I will feel more confident about our current work over the next month or two. However, I want to emphasize that all indicators point to achieving or even exceeding the high end of our guidance. Our organization and people are dedicated to continuous improvement. By establishing clear priorities, we’ve seen how our team and assets are delivering exceptional results that consistently surpass my expectations. And it's worth noting, we still have work ahead of us.

Speaker 7

That's great, Rich. And then not only on volumes but also CapEx. So the $5.7 billion, the bottom end of the new CapEx guide range is a year ahead of the '26 schedule, so is it fair to say that we have achieved a new normal for CapEx and that the sub-6 is what we should now start to anchor to on a go forward?

Speaker 1

What you're noticing this year is fundamentally structural. We're evaluating our turnaround efforts as well as our base risk management and compliance capital; every dollar is important, and we have specialized teams examining our spending. To meet our financial goals and achieve the resilience we desire, we need to be more prudent and deliberate with our capital expenditures. We're developing a plan for 2026 and beyond, but we are really adapting to a new standard. We won't see significant capital increases anymore, such as by a billion dollars or more. We aim to spend within our limits, being very careful about our expenditures so that we can consistently raise the dividend each year and continue to return capital to shareholders through buybacks. While I don't have specific numbers for 2026, 2027, or 2028 yet, you correctly noted that we are progressing ahead of our plan to reduce capital spending.

Speaker 8

This is John Abbott on for Doug Leggate. I want to go back to the CapEx discussion earlier on capital returns and really, I mean, just what you're doing on the cost side and you sort of think about your corporate breakeven going lower, how do you think about the future dividend capacity of the firm? I know you want a reliable dividend, you want future steady reliable dividend growth. But how do you think about your ability to grow your dividend over time? And how do you see that future capacity?

Speaker 1

John, it may be you, but you sound an awfully lot like Doug on this one. I think he primed the pump on this question but Kris, why don't you talk about it?

You bet. John, we discussed this during our Investor Day, and our perspective is that we are positioning this company for consistent and reliable dividend growth. That will guide our approach to dividends. Additionally, we will focus on keeping the company's resilience and directing a significant portion of the excess cash back into buybacks. One of the benefits of this strategy, John, is that through these buyback programs, we enhance our dividend growth while maintaining our resilience and breakeven point. It's truly a great dynamic we're building, like a flywheel, where the consistency and quality of our cash flows grow over time, enabling us to increase the dividend steadily. Our shareholders can rely on this, and it also generates significant excess cash to return to them.

Speaker 1

And John, if I just kind of add to that. This is not hardwired, but if you look back over the last several quarters, as we improved our financial performance through the operation, we have been able to lower that net debt, drive down the breakeven, create resilience that allows us to feel comfortable in whatever world we're in. And so as we've been buying back shares and increasing the dividend, the total dividend payments have really essentially remained the same. So as we continue to improve performance, buy back shares, that allows us to grow on a dividend per share basis even faster without growing the overall dividend expenditure or burden, keeping our resilience high, our breakeven low and growing the dividend. So I think these are very interrelated, but they're all driven by improving the fundamental performance of the enterprise. And then it's sources and uses of funds kind of come thereafter. But I feel quite good about what we're achieving in being able to buy back shares and enable a very competitive growing per share dividend year-on-year.

Speaker 8

Thank you for that. I have another question. How are you approaching portfolio cleanup in the current environment, particularly regarding the non-operating assets in the Northeast and on the East Coast?

Speaker 1

We have prioritized maximizing the output from our asset base, and Commerce City serves as a prime example of this. Following an operational incident in late 2022, the first half of 2023 posed challenges for recovery. However, since then, the refinery has been operating at a very high level. On the East Coast, the situation is quite different with the non-operated platforms, Hebron and Hibernia, and the two operated and non-operated floaters. Our focus has been to complete targeted work at Terra Nova and participate in work on West White Rose. When evaluating the relative contribution and value of these assets, we consider whether they hold greater value for us or for others. At Suncor, we aim to ensure we achieve the best value for anything we may buy or sell. When an asset is performing at its peak, we typically don’t consider selling it. This is the approach we are taking across our asset base, and we will assess their value to us versus potential buyers. Discussions about asset sales are always engaging as we have external stakeholders listening, but we also want our internal teams to understand that the priority is to perform at the highest level possible, and everything else will follow suit.

Speaker 9

I just wanted to ask you that something which is somewhat underappreciated in your portfolio because there was so much focus on this turnaround is the growth potential. At what point will you guys start talking a little more or giving us more details about multistage Lewis in situ project or Firebag debottleneck or Firebag expansion all of which could actually add to your volumes on a go-forward basis. So when can we start expecting you to talk about those growth projects?

Speaker 1

So Manav, I want to share some insights with you. A little over a year ago, we established a three-year plan for 2024, 2025, and 2026, and we have been surpassing our targets. My goal is to evaluate our progress by the end of the year and ideally see us reach or come close to fulfilling that plan within two years. The next consideration is what comes after that. While I’m not committing to anything just yet, the indicators are promising. If we continue on this path, I believe we will have regained the credibility to discuss our long-term goals. My leadership team and I are currently dedicating significant time to this, and I find the outlook positive. In fact, we spent two days with our Board last week discussing our long-term strategies in various business scenarios. One area where I feel we haven’t effectively communicated is the internal opportunities available for sustainable growth, focusing on creating value rather than just increasing volume. I anticipate that in the first half of 2026, we will provide a comprehensive long-term outlook on what our company will look like in the next 5, 10, and 15 years, but this is still a developing process, and I am encouraged by what I see.

Speaker 9

Perfect. My quick follow-up is if you could provide us some comment on the refining macro. It looks like some of the global capacity additions have come to an end and outlook is better. So if you could help us understand how you're looking at both the diesel and the gasoline market and general refining cracks on a go-forward basis.

Speaker 1

Sure. I'll pass it to Dave shortly. However, it's crucial to note that crude operates as a global market, with variations primarily driven by location and type of crude. The refining landscape presents a somewhat different scenario due to our structural advantages, access to crude supplies, pricing discrepancies between New York and Chicago, and the performance of our assets. Overall, the situation is quite favorable. Dave, would you like to share your thoughts on the fundamentals that Kris mentioned in his opening remarks?

Speaker 6

For sure. And thanks, Manav, for the question. Refining macro environment, we see it being fairly robust over the short term. As you pointed out, there's some capacity offline, there's capacity that came on that is struggling to get to full capacity. And we're seeing particularly diesel cracks being very strong. And that's, in part, a global trend that's, in part, a U.S. trend with some renewables that are offline due to the lack of incentives in that space. But in any case, it provides a pretty robust environment for us. And we, as you know, we are diesel machines in Suncor. We make a lot of diesel and strong diesel cracks are good for our business going forward. We completed turnarounds in Edmonton and Sarnia this past quarter on primarily diesel producing units, and we're now producing record diesel production. Moving a little more locally. If we think about our business in Canada, our best outlook for our products is through our retail network. And we're seeing retail sales for Petro-Canada brand up 8% year-on-year, thanks to our retail growth. So we see strong global as well as strong local environment for our downstream business.

Speaker 0

One moment for our next question. And that will come from the line of Menno Hulshof with TD Cowen.

Speaker 10

I just have one question on the deployment of autonomous haul at Syncrude. Can we maybe get a refresh on where things stand on that front? And whether the economics and cost savings are going to look any different from deployment as Peter talked about?

Speaker 1

Yes, absolutely. I'll turn it to Peter in just a second, but I'll give you a couple of numbers. It was in May of last year, we had 20 trucks that were autonomous at that time. In May of this year, we had 120 and we've talked about the savings that go with each truck. Our plan is to be 150 or more by the end of the year. Peter, do you want to give a little bit of an update on it?

Speaker 4

Yes. Thanks, Menno. Things are going really well with the Base Plant continuing deployment. As Rich said, we're really scaling that up through to the end of the year, and we're seeing some real efficiency gains and our ability to extract productivity out of that system. Our plan for Syncrude is to implement autonomous haulage into Syncrude in 2026. The economic case is consistent with that of the base plant, different starting points, just given the different types of operations. But we really see this as a move for us. It helps us to improve safety. Again, this is a real kind of systems engineering approach, and we really believe as time goes on, our ability to extract a differentiated productivity relative to our staff fleet will remain robust and will be the basis of our mine plans going forward.

Speaker 0

One moment for our next question. And that will come from the line of Patrick O'Rourke with ATB Capital Markets.

Speaker 11

Thanks for a very comprehensive and spirited rundown so far. I guess the first question I would have...

Speaker 1

I think that was feedback for me.

Speaker 11

I guess the first question I would have, you kind of touched a little bit on Fort Hills and nameplate capacities there and some of what you've been achieving. But I guess when you look at the asset, what your high output days look like right now? What's the variability? And I guess you pointed to the top end of production guidance for the full year, but how does that come into play here?

Speaker 1

Peter, I didn't suggest that question to Patrick because I'm curious about it as well. So, Peter, could you share your insights on the testing you're conducting and your observations?

Speaker 4

I think I said three years ago when I started here, that plant is a Ferrari, and I think that's proving true. Stream day capacities, we have demonstrated stream day capacities in excess of 220,000 barrels a day. So we know that potential is there. The work of the team is to ensure that we can do that reliably going forward and as well, coupled with the mine plan to support those types of rates while still managing all of the risks that I talked about earlier. So it's a balance, but we are quite confident based on the testing we've had over the last couple of months here that the stream day capacity of that plant is quite robust.

Speaker 1

And a real enabler is going to be when you get both of those two pits in the North mine kind of conditioned and ready to go. That's when we'll rev up that Ferrari.

Speaker 11

Okay. Great. And this is more of sort of a strategic question. But obviously, on the back of the success that you've had with OEMS, I think you touched on maybe asset disposition side a little more earlier in the call. But when you look at the success in the implementation there and you think about the potential for acquisitions and creating shareholder value through implementing that on other assets. What does that sort of look like for you right now? And how is that appetite versus some of the organic greenfield growth opportunities you talked about earlier?

Speaker 1

Well, I'll reiterate. I believe we have more internal opportunities than perhaps we understood or certainly then we help the outside world understand so as we look at our base capability to create value with what we have, that gives us a better lens to look at external opportunities. Do they add to the enterprise or do they just make the enterprise different or bigger? And we're not about being different or bigger, we're about being more valuable. So the more we've sharpened our understanding of our stand-alone internal set that really allows us to say is I shared the example with our Board last week. You go by the mall just because there's a for sale sign up doesn't mean you got to buy. And it's all about can we create value in a unique way relative to our other opportunities. And I'll never say never, but I like a lot of the cards we're holding.

Speaker 0

I'm showing no further questions in the queue at this time. I would now like to turn the call back over to Mr. Rich Kruger for any closing remarks.

Speaker 1

I’ll keep this brief. I hope you’re picking up on the positive energy mentioned by Patrick. Suncor is now a different company. We have impressive assets, talented people, and strong, team-focused performance. Our attitude and culture have changed. I noticed we play a song at the start of each call, and today I appreciated the line about coming for gold instead of silver. That embodies our current mindset, and I look forward to sharing our future achievements with you in upcoming calls. Thank you.

Speaker 0

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Operator

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