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Unifi Inc Q4 FY2021 Earnings Call

Unifi Inc (UFI)

Earnings Call FY2021 Q4 Call date: 2021-08-04 Concluded

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Operator

Good day, and thank you for joining us. Welcome to Unifi's Fourth Quarter Fiscal 2021 Conference Call. I would now like to turn the conference over to your speaker today, A.J. Eaker. Please proceed.

Speaker 1

Thank you, Dunne, and good morning, everyone. On the call today is Al Carey, Executive Chairman; Eddie Ingle, Chief Executive Officer; and Craig Creaturo, Chief Financial Officer. During this call, management will be referencing a webcast presentation that can be found at unifi.com by clicking the conference call link. Management advises you that certain statements included in today's call will be forward-looking statements within the meaning of the federal securities laws. Management cautions that these statements are based on current expectations, estimates, and/or projections about the markets in which Unifi operates. These statements are not guarantees of future performance and involve certain risks that are difficult to predict. Actual outcomes and results may differ materially from what is expressed, forecasted, or implied by these statements. You are directed to the disclosures filed with the SEC on Unifi's Forms 10-Q and 10-K regarding various factors that may impact these results. Also, please be advised that certain non-GAAP financial measures, such as adjusted EBITDA, adjusted EPS, adjusted working capital, and net debt may be discussed on this call. I will now turn it over to Al Carey.

Albert Carey Chairman

Thank you, A.J., and good morning, everyone, and thanks for joining our call this morning. Our performance for Q4 of 2021 was very good. It was a good finish to fiscal 2021 for our team at Unifi, and it gives us optimism about our fiscal 2022. Revenues continued the growth momentum that we had at the end of Q3, and when you take a look at Q3 and Q4 combined, we're confident that we have the momentum to give us a strong revenue performance for 2022. Eddie and Craig will take you through the details on that in a few minutes. EBITDA was strong again in Q4, and we ended the fiscal year of 2021 at almost $65 million, which is quite a bit better than we forecasted for Q4 and for the full year. Interestingly, our debt, cash, inventory levels, and our overall balance sheet is probably in as good a shape as anytime in recent history. So overall, we feel like we're entering this new fiscal year in a very good position. I'd like to provide you with three important trends that are emerging for our business for 2022. The first one is environmental sustainability will be a driving force in our business. Our REPREVE sales were up 30% for the quarter. Now that's a bit of a funny comparison with the pandemic, but it's up 16% versus the 2019 quarter. And product hang tags are up 60%, and we continue to see our customers taking aggressive actions that are going to allow them to achieve their 2025 sustainability goals for apparel, and this bodes very well for REPREVE. The second thing that's an emerging trend is that our regional focus is working. Our three regional businesses - North America, Asia, and Brazil - are quite different. And we have tactics and strategies that are different in each of those and are beginning to show promise. North America profitability is definitely improving, and this will continue to be a big priority for us going forward. Asia had an all-time record revenue performance in Q4, and they show signs of full recovery from the pandemic, and we're forecasting strong growth for Asia in 2022. Lastly, Brazil had an excellent year. They overdelivered in Q4, and they also started selling REPREVE. While the sales are minimal at this point, we believe that the consumer in Brazil has an appetite for sustainable apparel, and this could be a very big positive for the future of our Brazil business. Finally, we're increasing our capital investment over the next three years so that we can outfit our plants with the first new yarn texturing innovation since the mid-90s. We've mentioned it before, but the equipment is called EvoCooler, a texturing machine from our supplier, Oerlikon, which has great potential. We will see significant efficiencies in productivity, energy consumption, and operator safety, and Eddie will tell you more about it in a few minutes. However, this investment will make us more profitable, give us more plant capacity, and allow us to be more competitive against import prices in our business. So all in all, a very good quarter. I'm proud of the organization as they've managed through the pandemic. I believe they've shown resiliency and agility. And I would say that we're a better organization than we were pre-pandemic. So that gives us some optimism as we enter 2022. Now let me turn the meeting over to Eddie Ingle, our CEO, and he'll take you through the highlights of the quarter. Thank you.

Thanks, Al, and good morning, everyone. As Al pointed out, we are pleased with our performance during the fourth quarter of fiscal 2021. As the numbers show, we built on the momentum from Q3 to deliver a better than previously forecasted fourth quarter. Strength across all segments resulted in a fourth consecutive sequential increase in quarterly net sales. Right now, COVID-19 continues to be an obstacle that we have to pay attention to. However, our current momentum is setting us up to be able to deliver on our fiscal 2022 targets. Before I speak to the quarter, I want to take a moment to highlight Unifi and the great people that represent our company. This year marks our company's 50th year anniversary, and I could not be prouder of what Unifi employees have accomplished throughout those 50 years. I want to thank our employees, past and present, for their dedication to the business, and I'm grateful to be surrounded by such a talented team. Now, when I rejoined Unifi a year ago, I was clear that the cornerstone of Unifi's future growth was sustainability. Today, I stand by that comment, and our innovative culture will enable us to expand into additional end markets and grow the exposure and leadership position of REPREVE. Unifi remains well-positioned to be the partner of choice for global brands seeking to meet their sustainability targets in a transparent, trusted, and traceable fashion. Now for the quarter. Slide 3 shows an overview of our performance during the period. The business performed above expectations in the fourth quarter and further reflected the resilience of our global business model. Quarterly revenues were up over 100% year-over-year and up 3% when compared to both fiscal 2019's fourth quarter or fiscal 2021's third quarter. Performance in Q4 was underpinned by strength across all segments, particularly though, Asia and Brazil. Once again, Brazil outperformed, with strong pricing driving its gross margin above 30%, somewhat compensating for the lower volumes due to local lockdowns within the market. Asia also had another strong quarter and achieved its highest quarterly sales volume on record. Lastly, the Polyester segment recovered further as demand in the U.S. continued to normalize. This strong segment performance was against the backdrop of upward pressure from raw material and other cost increases that we reacted to as we moved through the quarter. In terms of costs, nearly every business is feeling the impact of inflationary pressures, especially in North America, where volatility in labor, freight, and other inputs is testing resolve on many companies, including ourselves at Unifi. In the U.S., automotive demand has been impacted by global semiconductor shortages, which trickled down to automotive fabric production and, of course, yarn demand. However, this phenomenon has been offset by strong recovery momentum in other end markets. We are pleased with the results of the Polyester segment in light of the difficult dynamics facing manufacturers today. Our conversations with customers remain positive and forward-looking as we all work together to mitigate the temporary impacts of inflation. Turning to the supply chain and U.S. raw material costs during the quarter, operating efficiencies and focused execution partially offset inflationary pressures, particularly for recycled raw material inputs. For example, from January to June 2021, our input costs to produce recycled plastic bottle flake increased significantly, and well above the increases in virgin inputs. While these recent increases are expected to pressure the September 2021 quarter, we are focused on pricing actions to mitigate the impacts on our margins. As we look forward, we remain committed to managing our price-cost relationship. We've been actively engaged with customers to ensure the appropriate selling price adjustments are in place to offset rising raw material costs for recycled and other inputs. While we anticipate some short-term margin pressure, we are confident in our underlying business momentum and responsiveness to addressing these cost headwinds. Our adjusted EBITDA performance was positive and above forecast in Q1, increasing significantly from the fourth quarter of fiscal 2019, which, as you know, was not impacted by the pandemic like fiscal 2021. Our financial health remains a top priority, and that emphasis can be seen by the progress we have made to strengthen what was already a very strong balance sheet. As demonstrated by the two bolt-on transactions we completed in fiscal 2021, our balance sheet serves as a catalyst for future growth opportunities that we see as profitable and value-adding. During last quarter's conference call, I mentioned that our ongoing trade petitions involving textured polyester yarns were continuing to progress. In May 2021, the U.S. Department of Commerce announced preliminary duty rates against four countries: Indonesia, Malaysia, Thailand, and Vietnam. Investigations should conclude by January 2022 and are expected to provide benefits to sales volumes and resulting cost absorption for the Polyester segment for an extended time period thereafter. As seen on Slide 4, the demand for our REPREVE-branded Fiber continues to grow, comprising 38% of net sales in the fourth quarter this year. For fiscal 2021, we shipped nearly 97 million REPREVE hang tags, a year-over-year increase of 60%. In terms of brand updates, we have several exciting highlights, including Ralph Lauren announcing a sustainable offering as the official outfitter of Team USA at the ongoing Olympics. Athletes will wear jackets made with REPREVE during the closing ceremony Parade scheduled for this upcoming Sunday. Additionally, Girl Scouts of the U.S.A. are launching new uniforms made from 40% REPREVE Fiber. This new initiative is Girl Scouts USA's first stride to becoming a brand that offers sustainable recycled polyester features in their uniforms. Next, TOMS has added a new line of shoes to their Earthwise collection that features REPREVE Our Ocean, prominently telling the REPREVE story on the interior of the footwear as well as through a variety of advertising mediums. Notable recent home goods placements include Brentwood Home and several mattresses made from Euro Colchones, a luxury mattress brand in Brazil. I'm also excited to note that REPREVE made a significant flight recently. With the use of our REPREVE flame-retardant fiber, Under Armour designed a 3D net structure for the seating fabric in the Virgin Galactic Spaceship Unity, a company that may accrue well above the air surface. I'll conclude our update on REPREVE with our latest achievement that we've announced in a press release last week. REPREVE received its Higg Materials Sustainability Index scores, demonstrating that our brand's global warming potential is meaningfully better than conventional alternatives. We are proud that consumers and brands can rely on another level of assurance and transparency in knowing that their use of REPREVE continues to support their conscious and sustainable actions. As we progress through fiscal year 2022, we expect to share more details on our progress during this important capital equipment upgrade period. With that, I will turn the call over to Craig.

Thank you, Eddie, and good morning, everyone. Like the rest of the team, I am pleased with our fourth quarter and full year fiscal 2021 results and our ability to navigate the complexities of this recovery with the regional and responsive business model. Because of these strong results, we're generating some exciting momentum for the future. As we look at the financial details today, I will be brief on year-over-year commentary due to the drastic difference in the respective economic circumstances, but I will spend some time on the underlying drivers of the business and what factors are driving momentum for the future. I will begin with a high-level overview of profitability before moving into the slide presentation. As expected, operating income and adjusted EBITDA increased significantly from the pandemic-suppressed Q4 of fiscal 2020. More impressive is the greater than 100% increase in operating income over the two-year period from Q4 fiscal 2019 to Q4 fiscal 2021, along with the 60% increase in adjusted EBITDA for the same timeframe. This strong Q4 fiscal 2021 performance helped us to produce significantly better earnings per share in fiscal 2021, despite some volatility in the tax rate during the economic recovery. Specifically, I'll review the non-operating item that was recorded in the just completed quarter, the recovery of non-income taxes in Brazil. We wanted to ensure investors understand the positive impact on our business, both historically and in the future, so I'll provide some additional context. For more than ten years, many companies in Brazil, including Unifi, challenged the constitutionality of certain items subject to taxes that fund social programs referred to as PIS/COFINS taxes, which have driven a double taxation situation when combined with other taxes paid in that country. In May 2021, Brazil's Supreme Court ruled in favor of the taxpayers, and businesses like ours have effectively been awarded future credits for the ongoing routine PIS/COFINS payments. Accordingly, we recorded a $9.7 million benefit to reflect the credits relating to prior years that are available to be taken against future non-income tax filings, and this benefit is reduced by $3.3 million in tax expense. The benefit has been removed from our adjusted EBITDA and adjusted EPS calculations as they are not related to the current year underlying operations and stretch back a total of ten years. This matter did not impact cash at our balance sheet date; however, this item will be positive to our cash position as we utilize the tax credits in the future, and this will be positive for both net sales and cash as this issue has effectively been eliminated from future periods. Now let's turn to Slide 5 for a quick net sales overview. Consolidated net sales increased to $184.4 million, achieving the sequential quarter increase from Q3 fiscal 2021 of 3%, which was the high end of our expectations for the quarter. Of course, sales eclipsed Q4 2020 by more than 100%, which marked the most difficult quarter for Unifi during the COVID-19 pandemic. Recovery in all our segments is easily seen on this Slide 5. Slide 6 provides a quick overview of gross profit and follows the net sales recovery. For Polyester, this slide demonstrates the significance of volume throughput and our focused execution on price management in North and Central America. In addition, robust recovery in Asia and another exceptional quarter in Brazil helped to drive our consolidated gross margin to 14.9%. Slide 7 and 8 include a net sales overview and gross profit overview respectively for fiscal 2020 versus fiscal 2021. These two slides exhibit the momentum that we have addressed elsewhere on this call as our dynamic global business model has been able to capture opportunities during the business recovery, especially in our Asia and Brazil segments. In addition to the year-over-year analysis, we've chosen to present some sales and gross profit comparisons for the two-year period that excludes the COVID-19 pandemic on Slides 9 and 10. For the two-year period comparisons, the following items are noteworthy for net sales on Slide 9: Polyester segment sales are generally flat as a result of the short-term production constraints that are impacting the U.S. today. Asia segment sales increased 32%, consistent with our growth strategy and strong demand in that region for REPREVE product. Brazil sales decreased 12%, primarily due to the devaluation of the Brazilian real and the impact of local pandemic restrictions on product demand in April 2021. Moving on to the two-year period comparison for gross profit on Slide 10, the following items are noteworthy. The Polyester segment gross margin increased from 8.9% to 12.2%, demonstrating focused execution in terms of sales mix, pricing, cost management, and efficient production. We are proud of this segment achieving a double-digit margin in what is still a difficult environment. The Asia segment gross margin increased from 9.8% to 13.2%, demonstrates an improved sales mix and better cost management for a growing portfolio of innovative and sustainable products. The Brazil segment gross margin increased from 18.7% to 36.3%, demonstrating the significant market position achieved in the just completed quarter, underpinned by exceptional performance and strong pricing. Moving on to the balance sheet on Slide 11. Stability in our debt and liquidity positions is demonstrated by maintaining diligence around working capital components in the face of rising input costs while generating strong cash flows globally. All of our team's great work in fiscal 2021 set another record low net debt level of $8.6 million shown on this slide. We continue to have zero borrowings on our ABL Revolver, which had an availability of $66 million as of June 27, 2021. Unifi's commitment to financial health has allowed us to leverage our strong balance sheet during the more than twelve months challenged by the global pandemic. We will continue to allocate capital expenditures to new EvoCooler texturing technology in the Americas. Under our balanced approach to capital allocation, we expect to continue to invest in the business to drive innovation and organic growth while maintaining a strong balance sheet and remaining opportunistic with share repurchases and/or M&A opportunities. I will now turn the call back to Eddie to take us through the last slides of the presentation and make some final comments.

Thank you, Craig. I will conclude with Slide 12 of the presentation and provide some context around our expectations for fiscal 2022. Our performance throughout fiscal 2021 and most recently during the fourth quarter reinforces our belief that there is a structural change in our markets, and sustainability is here to stay. We are encouraged by recent sales trends in our REPREVE and other value-added products, and we expect the recent strength to continue. While the exceptional gross margin performance of the Brazil segment is not expected to continue at the levels achieved in fiscal 2021, there is much to look forward to. We expect to maintain much of the underlying business momentum that was captured and restored during fiscal 2021 while navigating the existing inflationary pressures. We anticipate that the Asia segment and Polyester segment will generate modest profitability growth over fiscal 2021. Sales volume growth and continued momentum for REPREVE in fiscal 2022 is expected to drive a net sales increase of 10% or more. Operating income and adjusted EBITDA are expected to be broadly consistent with fiscal 2021 levels. The effective tax rate is expected to fall between 35% and 40%. We will continue to invest in organic growth in the Americas, driving our capital expenditures estimate between $40 and $45 million for fiscal 2022, primarily comprised of new yarn texture machinery, along with approximately $10 to $12 million of routine annual maintenance. To conclude, I am proud of our team's performance during the year, challenged by the pandemic and global uncertainty. Our strong results during the fourth quarter and fiscal year demonstrate the strength of our resilient global business model and our potential under normal economic conditions. We have the right team and workforce in place to drive long-term growth and shareholder value. Going forward, we will continue to focus on partnering with global brand leaders that want to position themselves using sustainable products, innovating and positioning the business to drive long-term organic growth. Diligent cost and price management initiatives to protect and improve gross margin and maintaining the strength of our balance sheet to act opportunistically on further organic growth and strategic M&A. We will now open the line for questions. Thank you.

Operator

We have a question from Dan Moore with CJS Securities.

Speaker 5

It's Pete Lucas for Dan. You touched on it in your prepared remarks, but if you could just kind of expand on your outlook for growth and margins for fiscal '22 by segment, starting with Polyester, International. I know you said in Brazil you don't expect those margins to continue. But finally, kind of touch on the outlook also for nylon?

Thank you, Pete. This is Eddie. The growth that we do expect - we expect growth in volume across all of our business units, and it will be growth in revenue and in volume. The revenue growth will be partly as a result of the growing cost of raw materials that we're passing on. But as we said on the call, we do expect the overall global growth rate to be 10% plus over fiscal 2021. From a margin perspective, we do expect to see some pressure. If we take all of the business units together, the global margin will drop primarily because the Brazil margins that we're currently experiencing are not expected to continue. However, we are focused on ensuring that the margins in Brazil are as good as they can be. Specifically, in Asia and the U.S., we are under pressure, but we do expect to maintain decent margins in those two areas.

Speaker 5

Helpful. Next one on the tariffs. You touched on that coming to be a benefit starting in January. Do you expect to achieve the full $20 million revenue benefit in fiscal '22? Or is that more of a run rate benefit you expect to reach sometime during the fiscal year?

Yes. That's more of a run rate benefit. As we mentioned, we're installing new equipment. So we'll be ready from a machine capacity perspective, but we do expect that to ramp up as we move through the second half of our fiscal year.

Speaker 5

Great. And the last one for me. With many new entrants and emerging companies focused on recycling plastics, do you see the potential for increased demand and competition for Bayer bottles as an input? And what are you doing to ensure that you have enough supply?

Yes. That's a question I'd like to specifically address in the U.S. In Asia, we do not have any issues at all. However, in the U.S., there is certainly increased competition, especially from the beverage companies that are trying to include more recycled content into their containers. In some states, they face legal requirements to do that, such as in California. So we're seeing increased pressure. We haven't had a shortage of bottles, but we are having to pay a lot more for the bottles than we were just six months ago. As we go through the next quarter or so, we are passing on those cost increases. So the supply is not an issue, but certainly, the cost of those Bayer bottles has been problematic for us. It's easy to pass on price adjustments to customers because they see what's going on right now.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Gus Richard with Northland.

Speaker 6

I just wanted to focus on Asia for a second. Vietnam is shut down and they are a big producer of apparel and footwear. I was wondering if that was causing any perturbations in your business there?

Thanks for the question. Most of our business in Asia is in China, but we do have some business, as we've talked about in the past, in Vietnam. This is certainly something we're paying attention to, as we know that COVID is not over. We're not sure exactly how it's going to impact Q1 of this new fiscal year. And it's really sort of only recently that it has come to light. But we're monitoring it closely. I don't think it's something that overall is going to impact our Q1 results, however.

Speaker 6

Okay. And then on the new texturing equipment that you're putting in your facility, is that focused on productivity or is it enhancing the product or both? Could you give a little more detail?

Yes. I guess there are three reasons for doing this. One, it's going to give us more capacity, which we will need as we capture some import replacement business due to the anti-dumping initiatives that are ongoing. It's also, as Al pointed out in his comments, going to be more productive from a speed point of view, but also it reduces the resources from an energy and labor perspective, and it is safer than existing equipment, which we're very pleased about. Lastly, we are confident that we'll be able to develop some new innovative products that we haven't been able to make with our existing equipment that is over 25 years old. This is a great opportunity for us to create new products on the new equipment.

Speaker 6

Got it. And then the last one for me is - it seems like globalization is moving a bit in reverse. Are you seeing any brands or new customers starting up businesses in North America that would shift revenue more to North America?

Yes. I mean, I think where we're really seeing growth and a shift in supply chain is in Central America. This pandemic has been a shock, and the logistics coming from Asia are not only very costly, but they're also time-consuming. What might have taken four weeks is now taking eight weeks to get across, which builds a working capital constraint for these brands. We hear from many brands that they want to place more business through the Central America supply chain, particularly in the U.S. We're not seeing a huge amount in the U.S., but I do think we will see some impact going forward. However, I can't be specific beyond Central America.

Speaker 6

Okay. And would you service that from Brazil or from your North America plan?

North America because there is what's called a yarn forward rule. If someone makes garments in Central America and it's made from U.S. components or local components, it comes back into the U.S. duty-free. So there's a real advantage from a tax and duty perspective to make garments in Central America, which offsets some of the higher costs that might otherwise be associated with making them in Asia.

Speaker 6

Perfect. Congratulations on the quarter.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Ryan Danisavage with Sidoti.

Speaker 7

Congrats on the quarter, first off. Just a couple of questions from me. In the sales guidance range for the full year, how much pricing is considered in that given the raw material environment? Is that embedded? Is there more to come in that?

Ryan, we did anticipate in that initial guidance for '22, yes, we took into consideration the current level of pricing that we're seeing. As we've noted, it has been on the rise lately. We considered what is happening now, but did not project beyond the current trends.

Speaker 7

And just one more on REPREVE. Can you talk about the conversations you have with clients and the ability to expand the raw material environment? Does that change the conversation at all? Additionally, with the recent Higg MSI scores, how do you compete in the marketplace?

I'll answer the second question first. The Higg Sustainability Index is something we've worked on for a long time. One of the major attractions of Unifi is that we're transparent, and we are traceable thanks to our fiber print technology. What this does is add another level of comfort to brands that when they buy from Unifi, we are helping them become more sustainable. It's easy for us to say we're good or better than virgin or some other recycled polyester yarn out there. But when a third-party confirms that, it gives them more assurance. Our job is to help brands become more sustainable while ensuring it's a very trusted process. Regarding your first question about expanding raw materials, we continue our textile takeback program. As we receive more interest from brands and they develop collection systems, we believe we will be able to take textiles and incorporate them back into manufacturing, enhancing their sustainability story too. The recycling rate in the U.S. is expected to increase as the demand for Bayer bottles goes up. We have a great partnership with Waste Management, and they focus on increasing recycling rates in various communities. This area is ripe for growth, especially with states like Maine that have passed legislation requiring companies to help create a recycling infrastructure.

Speaker 7

And then just one more for me, a quick one. Can you provide some color on the texturing machines? When will we see benefits from this project?

Yes, good question. As we've mentioned, we're really at the initial stages of getting those first machines into our operations. We will continue that during the first half of FY '22. It won't be until the back end of FY '22 that we'll start to see some benefits, even though we will also continue that machine installation into that period. So, really, for the first and second quarter of FY '22, we will be in installation ramp-up mode, and we expect to see benefits in the back half of FY '22.

Speaker 7

Congrats on the quarter, guys.

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of David Silver with CL King.

Speaker 8

I had maybe a question about the broader marketing opportunity you have and maybe the current pricing environment. You mentioned rising costs along the supply chain, I mean, I guess all along the supply chain. I'm thinking more along the lines of petrochemical input prices or the oil price. Personally, I think $70 crude is just a rest stop on the way to something a bit higher. Across the cycle, recycled plastics, at some point, have to compete with virgin plastics. In your experience, in an elevated plastics price environment, is it easier for your company to hit those double-digit growth targets? Or is it harder? Or is it a depends answer? How do you think about your marketing and the demand for your recycled products in a world of elevated prices for the virgin alternatives?

We've got a lot of elements in there, David. As a general theme, around petrochemicals, recycling traditionally follows the inputs for virgin, and there's generally a lag. What I can say is there is a disconnect between those companies that want to incorporate virgin material, and those that want to focus on sustainability and use recycled products. Right now, we are in a moment where recycled inputs have risen beyond virgin materials. We saw crude go from $45, which was there for a long time to $70 or $75, but the recycling inputs have risen further in the U.S. This creates a disconnect. Are the brands we work with remaining committed to their sustainability paths? I can confidently say yes, they are. They understand this is a temporary situation. In the past, crude was at $100, and we sold a lot of yarn then. The higher crude goes, typically the easier it is for recyclers because the difference between the two narrows. While it is challenging right now due to the difference in costs, we remain motivated to support brands' sustainability strategies. We are focusing on marketing towards those brands and their customers.

Speaker 8

Yes. A lot to unpack there. I had a follow-up question about your tax rate. So an effective tax rate of between 35% and 40% is what you're guiding to. To me, that's one of the higher rates for the companies in my universe. However, I noticed in the cash flow statement here that there was a deferred income tax benefit for this year. If I modeled your company going forward, is there a structural difference between your GAAP income tax accrual and a cash tax rate? Is that something we should consider for the long term?

Sure, David. That's a good question. Yes, for cash taxes, we do expect some benefit. We will receive continued benefits, especially, as we mentioned on the call today, from the indirect taxes and credits we will use over several years. That will keep cash taxes lower than the overall tax rate. There are other factors at play, but generally, I would say if I gave you a specific number, you could expect cash taxes to be around 5 percentage points lower than the effective rate over the long term.

Operator

And I will now turn the call back over to management for closing remarks.

Thank you, Don, and thank you to everyone for listening and participating today. Our next earnings release for the first fiscal quarter ending September 26, 2021, is tentatively scheduled for Monday, October 25, 2021, after the close of the market, with the conference call to follow the next morning, Tuesday, October 26, 2021, at 8:30 a.m. Eastern Time. Thanks again.