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Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by. Welcome to the Alarm Technologies Conference Call for the second quarter 2025. During today's presentation, all parties will be in a listen-only mode. Following management's presentation, the conference will be open to questions. If you have a question, please press star followed by the number 1 on your touchtone phone. If you would like to withdraw your question, please press star followed by the number 2. If you are using a speakerphone, please lift the handset before making your selections. This conference call is being recorded. I will now turn the call over to Kenny Green, Investor Relations at Alarm. Kenny, please go ahead.
Thank you. Good day to all of you, and welcome to Alarm's conference call to discuss the results of the second quarter of 2025. I would like to thank management for hosting this call. Today, we are joined by Shachar Daniel, Alarm CEO, and Shai Avnit, CFO. Shaha will begin the call with an overview of the quarter, followed by Shai, who will review key elements of the financials. Finally, we will open the call to our listeners for the question and answer session. Before we get started, I want to highlight the forward-looking statements disclaimer. This conference call may contain, in addition to historical information, forward-looking statements within the meaning of the safe harbor provisions of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995 and other federal securities laws. Board-looking statements include statements about plans, objectives, goals, strategies, future events of performance, and underlying assumptions and other statements that are different than historical facts. For example, when we discuss our guidance, our future strategy, and longer-term vision, our potential for continuous sustainable future growth, growth, and value creation, sustainable growth, estimated margins, and long-term profitability, the potential of long-term collaborations, events in the AI landscape, demand for and expansion of our products and services and customer base, future opportunities, momentum, and success we are using forward-looking statements. These forward-looking statements are based on current management expectations and are subject to risks and uncertainties that may result in expectations not being realized and may cause actual outcomes differ materially from expectations reflected in these four written statements. Potential risks and uncertainties include those discussed under the heading Risk Statements in Allowance Annual Report from Form 20F filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission on March 20, 2025 and in any subsequent filings with the SEC. All such four written statements, whether written or oral, made on behalf of the company are expressly qualified by those cautionary statements and such. For the free statements are subject to risks and uncertainties, and we caution you not to place undue reliance on these. On the call, the company will also present non-IFRS key business metrics. Non-IFRS key business metrics the company uses are EBITDA, adjusted EBITDA, non-IFRS gross margin, non-IFRS net profit or loss, and non-IFRS basic earnings or loss per share or ADS. The exact definitions and reconfiliations of these non-IFRS key business metrics are described in the company's financial results press release, which are available on the Investor's Lobby or Valorant's website. These non-IFRS measures may differ materially from the similarly titled measures used by other companies and should not be considered in isolation from or as a substitute for financial information read in accordance with IFRS. And now I'll turn the call over to Shaha Daniel, Alarons Technologies Chief Executive Officer. Shaha, please go ahead.
Thank you very much, Kenny. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us today to discuss our results and recent business development. To highlight our financial results, we reported second quarter revenue of $8.8 million, net profit was $0.3 million, and adjusted EBITDA of $1 million. dollar. Our results were well ahead of the expectations which were announced with quarter one results and in line with the upgraded guidance we issued in early June. I will start with AI market drivers. The key market driver for our strong performance is the huge thirst for massive amounts of training data for foundational AI models. A recent trend for Alarm in particular is that our customers are increasingly including some major companies, both AI players and e-commerce companies, and their associated deal sizes potential for this type of customers are much larger as well. We now have customers ranging from major tech giants to emerging startups, as well as the small customers that we have traditionally worked with. As data is becoming significantly more valuable in today's world, these customers and potential customers are turning to us to help them overcome the growing barriers to data access from compliance to geographical distribution and traffic and blocking. We have recently launched new projects with several large-scale AI and e-commerce platforms, including one of the world's largest online marketplaces in Asia. This particular customer at launch a very large data collection project for a new advanced generative ai model under development that may continue over the coming few months while at lower margin compared to our margins in the past year and while revenues are not yet guaranteed and are consumption-based potentially if we generate them they are expected to be significant for alarm over the coming months These collaborations and others we have recently launched cover use cases such as large-scale data collection labeling, as well as collection for model fine-tuning with fresh and accurate public data. As the air revolution reshapes every industry, our offerings from our flagship data collector and website and blocker to a highly robust and expanding proxy network are quickly becoming foundational to how companies collect public web data. Our products enable our customers to acquire massive amounts of data, the key fuel to the AI boom. the market spread for reliable scalable and correct data is broadening massively and accelerating among more and more players as more models are launched or upgraded models must be trained retrained and fine-tuned daily with new data consistently and to do that they need instructor infrastructure like ours to collect it infrastructure like ours to collect it The opportunities that we have ahead of us, with data having become the most valuable commodity on the planet, is the once-in-a-generation opportunity. Allowing its position in the perfect nexus, all the current data capture trends, and we are aiming to invest and pursue as many of the opportunities ahead as we reasonably can. We have already started and will continue to invest strongly in our infrastructure to support a significant new demand, as well as in our ability to meet the extensive needs of major customers. The investment in our IP proxy infrastructure enabled us to support more throughput and serve more of the massive demand with fast ROI. As I mentioned, the work we are doing with the major customers is being done at lower gross profit margins because the revenue and long-term potential is so high. In addition, the overall investment in expanding our proxy network increased the cost of sales, but it also has the long-term benefit of optimizing our network infrastructure and product delivery. Therefore, by design, we are currently showing lower margins. Over the short, mid, and long term, our investments will allow us to serve more and more customers and, importantly, meet the needs of the major AI players, all of which are investing hundreds of millions of dollars on each model they launch. We want to make sure we are well positioned to capture an increasing portion of that growing pie. We are also growing our high-quality talent pool and developing a comprehensive suite of data collection products designed for the AI era. This is through our R&D investments to expand our capabilities and broaden our product portfolio. The goal is not only to attract new customers, but also be able to cross-sell to existing customers and meet more of our customers' data needs under one roof. While I hope I've been able to share my vision for capturing the opportunity ahead of us, I do want to highlight that it is not likely to be a straight pass up, especially over short periods. It is very early days, and the market we are operating is still in its infancy and taking shape. It is highly dynamic and unpredictable, and even our major customers cannot articulate their needs more than a few short months ahead. They may be powered by major customers as they digest the data, stabilize models, or adjust strategies, which may have outsized impact. Volatility is high, and we are planning accordingly. I urge investors to judge our development over periods of many quarters, not quarter by quarter. Allow us to ultimately focus on playing the long game. We are building the business not just to meet today's and tomorrow's massive short-term needs, but also over the mid- to long-term to become the destination for any company, whether a major player, startup, or small business with significant data collection needs. In summary, with focused execution, a forward-thinking, innovative approach, and growing interest from AI-driven customers, our goal is not just to participate in the AI revolution, but to become one of the central companies spreading it. As I've already shared with you, given the tremendous opportunity with CIL, we have made a strategic decision to increase our investments by leveraging our profitable operations and reinvest earning back into the company. We are investing in innovation, in infrastructure, in drawing our customer base, and in deepening collaborations with some of the world's largest and most influential companies. While the goal is to remain profitable overall, we may sacrifice shorter profitability for what we believe will be massive long-term revenue and much higher profits stretching over longer periods. At the same time, we will remain focused on efficiency and disciplined execution with backing from our strong balance sheet with cash and liquid investments of approximately $25 million. And I will stand in the perfect position to benefit from everything going on today in the AI market, and we look forward to cementing our position at the very core of this market. Handing it over to you now, Shai.
Thank you, Shaha, and hello, everyone. I will start by reviewing our key financial results for the second quarter of 2025, comparing them to the same period last year, unless otherwise stated. Following that, I will provide our guidance for the third quarter of 2025. Detailed definitions and reconciliations of our non-FRS key business metrics can be found in our Q2 2025 financial results press release. And one final note before I begin. The figures I will be discussing are rounded for clarity and ease of reference. Turning now to our financial performance. Ahead of original guidance issued following last quarter results and in line with the increased guidance in June, revenues in the second quarter of 2025 reached $8.8 million. This compared to $8.9 million in the second quarter of 2024. The slight reduction in overall revenues is due to the different mix of customers we have in 2025, having seen the AI segment grow significantly and mostly replacing customers from other segments. As a result of the shift, the net rotation rate, NRR, was 0.98. As Shachar mentioned, we made the strategic decision to reinvest earnings into scaling operations, expanding infrastructure, and broadening our IP proxy network, positioning our own to capture long-term value and meet the demand, particularly from major AI-driven customers. During this phase of transition, we continue to be dedicated to managing our operations efficiently while ensuring we progress toward long-term goals. As a result of this move, our non-IFRS gross margin for the second quarter of 2025 was 63% compared to 78% in the second quarter of 2024. In the third quarter, we have started working with a highly strategic customer, which is expected to increase our revenues by approximately $3 million per quarter. However, as mentioned in our press release, we will see low profitability margins in the early stages of our work with this customer, and as such, we expect a further decline in our gross margins in the third quarter. Operating expenses in the second quarter of 2025 were $5.4 million compared to $4.2 million in the second quarter of 2024. The increase was driven mainly by the increase in employee salary-related costs, particularly in R&D, primarily as we digitally grow the team to accelerate product development. As Shahar mentioned, we expect to continue to increase investment in our capabilities, especially R&D, to meet the opportunities ahead. In the second quarter of 2025, we recorded a financial income of $400,000 compared to an expense of $2.5 million in the same period last year. The shift to financial income was mainly driven by interest income we generated from our cash in 2025, while in 2024 we recorded high expense due to the fair value increase of warrants issued in 2019 and 2020, an increase that was reversed in the second half of 2024 when the warrants value decreased. These warrants, which are out of the money, will expire within a month, eliminating any future impact of this item. Non-ifrice net profit was $0.3 million for the second quarter of 2025, compared to a net loss of $0.4 million in the second quarter of 2024. Adjusted EBITDA in the second quarter of 2025 was $1 million, compared to $3.4 million in the second quarter of 2024. Our current share count is 70.9 million ordinary shares, or 7.1 million U.S.-listed ADSs. On a fully diluted basis, the count is 80.9 million ordinary shares, or 8.1 million ADSs. The second quarter of 2025 basic and diluted earnings per share were $0.04 per ADS on non-FRS basis compared to a loss of $0.05 in the second quarter of 2024. As of June 30, 2025, the company's shareholders' equity increased to a record of $29.1 million up from $26.4 million on December 31, 2024. The company's cash, cash equivalents, and long-term investment balance include an accrued interest at June 30, 2024, sorry, June 20, 2025 was $25 million compared with the same amount as at the end of 2024 as our positive free tax cash flow was offset with a one-time $1.7 million tax payment in January 2025 on behalf of 2024 NetNut taxable income. Allowance continued solid cash balance ensures we can invest strategically while maintaining a focus on sustainable value creation. Moving on to our outlook for the third quarter of 2025. Our guidance considers what we see today based on customer orders and backlog and is off today. We anticipate that in the third quarter of 2025, revenue will range at $12.8 million with an up and down range of 7%, representing around a 78% year-over-year increase. The third quarter of 2025 adjusted EBITDA is expected to be around $1.1 million with a range of one plus minus half a million dollars. Our guidance includes the initial impact of the new large-scale AI data project which is expected to contribute approximately three million dollars of revenues during the third quarter. As we are still in the early ramp-up stages, it is currently not clear what the full scope and length of the project will be. As I mentioned earlier, as we are at the initiation stages of this project, we are actively optimizing infrastructure and cost structures and expect near-term profitability from this project to be limited, which impacts our overall profitability in the third quarter. To summarize, 2025 continues with strong momentum, a solid balance sheet, and growing market interest. We remain focused on our commitment to generating long-term sustainable value for our stakeholders. With that, we open the call to the questions and answers session. Operator?
Thank you. The floor is now open for questions. If you would like to ask a question, please press star followed by one on your touchtone phone. If you wish to decline from the polling process, please press star followed by two. Questions will be taken in the order they are received. The first question today is coming from Brian Kinslinger of Alliance Global Partners. Please go ahead.
Thanks so much for taking my questions. I just want to dig a little bit into that large customer ramp in the third quarter you're highlighting. I missed part of your prepared remarks, so I'm a bit confused on why it's not generating incremental EBITDA and the gross margin will be low. Is it a paid proof concept? Is there major discounts? And if this service does continue, I understood that you are unsure the time or the length. Will the pricing dynamics or economics change so you would be able to generate more traditional margin contribution?
Okay.
So, basically, there are a few factors for this, at this point of time, for this lower margin, lower margin than our, let's say, standard or till-to-day customers or projects. First of all, it's a new product, it's a combination of few products, but mostly it's data sets. And the project is in huge scale, and as we mentioned, the demand for this project was in a very short time. so we are now shaping the infrastructure costs for this huge scale data demand and this is I think this is the most this is the biggest differentiation from different products or different projects that were due to the fact that the COGS basically which is mostly the infrastructure of this project is, for this point of time, is much more expensive. And due to this, the margins are lower.
Okay, so first of all, is that infrastructure, technology, or people? And then the second question to that is... Sorry?
It's technology infrastructure, you know, servers and all related.
Right. Now, assuming the – so in order for the margin to recover, you'll have to have significant volume increases from $3 million a quarter for this product, not necessarily this customer, to help the margin recover. Is that accurate or no?
Can you rephrase the question?
What do you mean?
Well, it sounds like you're adding $3 million of revenue, but it's not driving profit right now at all. I mean, you're incremental from the second quarter. So, I'm assuming in order to drive incremental profit, you'll have to have significantly more volume to offset the COGS. Is that right?
Yes. So, it depends.
I will say it again, as we just started the project, hopefully, I hope, yes, we are doing all our efforts, and that's what we did also in the past, because then it was not so clear in our financials, but every time we're starting a new product or launching a new, let's say, product in scale, so we are shaping the cost, the cost structure of the product, especially the infrastructure and the network costs. So, one aspect is that we will improve our cost structure and our infrastructure costs in this project. Second, yes, if the structure will take the same of the revenues in the next quarter and this project will be in the same portion, so we will need to basically do a cover by adding more projects to our customers with our standard gross margins. But one more thing that is very important, Brian, is the fact that this kind of, let's call it a project or kind of business line in our customer, it's not the only product is buying from us, and we see it as a very strategic penetration. We see it as a way to get some cross-sells and upsells over the time, not only for these products or our different products, by the way, this customer is buying from us mostly all of our products, and it's totally strategic for us, so we are not measuring it only from numbers, EBITDA, profitability, et cetera.
Right. Two more questions. The first one is, what is the product, and how is it different than the products you have right now?
You mean this project for very long?
Well, you're saying this is a different product, and you're hiring R&D to develop it and new infrastructure for this product. Is it something different, and it's a cross-serving opportunity, so can you describe what it does?
Yes, the scale, the amount of the data, the volume, the bandwidth, okay? It's bandwidth that is something unbelievable. It's a huge amount of bandwidth, and due to this, the cost of the network, the servers, the cloud computing is at this stage. Are we shaping it? We ought to improve it all the time. This is the major difference from our project that you saw till today. the last question is outside of this customer can you talk about the broader customer base is their usage generally going to be increasing compared to the first half of the year and then maybe speak to the pipeline of new logos okay so as you see the results of this quarter comparing to the previous one And as you see the projection of the next quarter, you see that besides of this specific, let's call it upsell because it's from a current customer, you see that we are growing even significantly. We see, as we mentioned now in the call before we move to the question part, we see a huge trend of AI and data needs for, sorry, data needs from AI or intelligence. Let's call it intelligence customers, not the AI, but all related to data insights in order to train their own model or in order to provide data insights for their customers. And many new logos are coming in The pipeline is basically a period that is very good for this industry. We are trying to meet all the demand, not only from infrastructure and scalability. and that's why we invest a lot in our network and infrastructure but also for the features and the sub-products that our customers are asking from us all the time. We see that there is a huge demand for new products, for new features. We are trying to hunt and to meet this demand by recruiting talents and new R&D employees and that's the current situation.
Okay, thank you.
Thank you very much.
Thank you. The next question is coming from Kingsley Crane of Canaccord Genuity. Please go ahead.
Thanks for taking the question, and huge congrats on these results and the traction you're seeing. It's definitely a big moment for the company. I want to start just bigger picture. It sounds like there's been a changing of the guard a bit in the customer base, and that's kind of why we're seeing that lower NRR this quarter. But, I mean, in your opinion, do you think that this could eventually result in higher customer lifetime value, you know, more stability on a quarter-to-quarter basis? I realize, too, that, you know, we're going to see surges. It's not going to be linear, but just curious about that.
Okay.
Great question. I will elaborate. rate.
So the way we measure our NRL is basically we are measuring four quarters comparing to the four quarters before four times. So for example, this quarter, the first measure started in the third quarter of 2023. And then you have four measures and the average between them. Now, you know, we are using this method because we thought and we still think that it's, you know, big data, it will not be volatile if one quarter is doing a little bit different for here or there, whatever. And that's why we chose this way of calculation. But to be honest, now it's a period that it might be a little bit, let's say, a little bit misleading because we saw a huge trend in the last, let's say, one year or one and a half years of one, from one side, some sectors and verticals lower significantly their presence in our for our product meaning lower the demand due to some changes in their vertical and from the other side the new AI trend and AI companies and big companies came in. So if we are not publishing it we have one method but to say here if you are measuring for example the NRR quarter over quarter from Q1 to Q2 and then to the projected Q3, you will see a significant growth from current customers, significant growth, okay, a number that is very good. So hopefully we hope and expect that this trend, you know, these customers are here to stay because it's a different game than the previous trends because, you know, everybody knows and thinks the AI and the need for data is here to stay maybe forever. So as time will run and we will, you know, the past periods, for example, you know, because every quarter we are taking one measure for this quarter and then we are dropping the first one. So as the time will run, you will start to see the impact of this retention and lifetime value of our customers over the last one year, and it will a little bit, not a little bit, but the path will be behind us. For this point of time, it still measures mostly the path, so the weight in the average, because it's a plain vanilla average, it's still taking the average or taking the NRA for this direction.
Hope it was clear.
It makes perfect sense on the metric, and I think understood on the structural trends as a whole. So just to touch a bit on this customer, you mentioned it was an existing customer in the release. Has this been a longstanding customer? How impactful were they to Q2 results?
This customer, how impactful it was in the Q2?
Yeah. Basically, are they ranting up nothing? Maybe you want to not be specific, but yeah.
No, no, I'm not for nothing, not for nothing. We started with him a few months ago, one and a half quarters. He started much before because it's a long engagement and negotiation and proof of concept, et cetera. We chose him by him, and he started ramping up slowly, slowly. So in this quarter, in the second quarter, he's already, let's say, It's not the biggest customer, but he has a very respectful amount of revenues. And now it jumped significantly, not exponentially, but it's a current customer that is using more than one product. It's using also our scraper and using our IP proxy and a few departments. And we are scaling up into the customer with more and more departments. This project is something that, you know, it's extraordinary, yeah?
And so, with respect to the expected contribution, because I think, you know, guidance in general, we're still sort of, we're still a little bit fresh on that. So, you know, just how much visibility do we have into that $3 million as it is today? Like, how much is actually committed so far? And then how variable could that spend be? specifically in Q3, I realize Q4 and longer is another story.
No, Q3, we know. Yes, we published that projection.
You are meaning to know about the Q4.
Well, I guess what I just mean is the range that that $3 million could be within Q3. Like, how certain are we of that range? Or, you know, is it committed spend, or what kind of clarity do we have on that?
Yeah, you know, two-thirds of the quarter was already behind us, yeah, because we're in the end of August, yeah? So, regarding the last month of the quarter, which is September, you know, we have a level of confidence and trust in the projection for the next month.
Regarding the next quarter, or specifically the future, let's say the short-term, I want to emphasize something that is very important.
We chose to talk specifically about this specific project at our current customer due to the fact that this is a significant material amount, but not only because of this, mainly because of the margins of these projects and their impact on the gross margins of the company. But from other aspects like how much it's predictable, what will be the duration of this demand, it's not different than other projects, product customers. It's in the same level, meaning in high level, we see a huge demand that is coming. We are increasing the variety of our customers and the variety of our products, which is supposed to make us more and more sustainable. From the other side, which is great for us at this stage, as you see this incredible growth, but from the other side, this market, as I mentioned, a few times, not only in this world, this market is in the middle of a revolution. and it's a crazy market and it can go here and there. Everybody is now shaping their business models, learning their needs, trying to understand what will be the direction of their LLM and if and when it will be profitable, how they can monetize it. I know it because we are joining in part of this discussion as a major part of this chain. So it's not something that you can say, okay, I understand the business, I understand how much data it needs, I understand its consumption size, and according to this, I can project my numbers and my volumes for the future. So this is the current situation, and of course, as time will learn, we learn more and more. At this point of time, It plays for us, and the need is growing, but must be very clear, it's not so predictable, it's quite volatile, and hopefully we will stay sustainable, but this is the reality.
That makes perfect sense. And so last one, we've sort of addressed this, but I'm trying to establish a range of outcomes on the gross margin side. Should we expect that additional revenue in Q4 and Q1 would also come at a similar component gross margin as to this large project? Or maybe on the other side, should we expect that in Q4 already we're going to see gross margin improve once again as you optimize?
Okay, so in case, let's say, in case the growth or the retention or the numbers, the revenues, let's say in Q4, will be mostly or all of them from our current business model, our current product, current business models, current customers, new customers, but basically asking the same. So this, our current COGS, can support more clients, more demand in their current numbers. In case, let's say something new will come, you know, tomorrow morning something new will come in the same numbers, even in higher numbers, in lower numbers, and then it will take again the COGS and the growth margins here or there. So in general, it's something that is not kind of business standard. It will not come in, so we expect hopefully to see the gross margins in a good place or in a gross. One more thing that is also very important, I want to emphasize also, I'm talking about it for more than a year, and it comes to reality now. we see the demand and we look to the future and now the demand in general in our industry is going to be higher even significantly and we are in a very competitive landscape so we want to leverage our profitable operation we want to leverage our know-how and we are trying to invest and to increase our network increase and strength our servers, our cloud computing capabilities, our endpoints, in order to meet demand that we can knock on our door tomorrow morning. We think that at this stage, we are in the middle of this amazing revolution and basically, you know, if you will brand yourself, basically, you know, So you will add yourself as a natural part of this chain with these huge customers and this huge industry. In the future, you can bear amazing fruits from it. So we are trying to push as much as we can. Of course, you know, we have our limits. We are trying to be efficient. We will not push it, you know, without limitations.
But we think that at least the opportunity is amazing and we cannot lose it.
Thanks again, and congrats. Appreciate the time.
Thank you very much, Mark. Thank you.
Thank you. At this time, I would like to turn the floor back over to Mr. Daniel for closing comments.
Okay, everybody. So thanks a lot for your time today. We look forward to watching you again on Allowant Technology next with RavScore. Thank you very much.
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