Marcus Corp Q3 FY2025 Earnings Call

Good morning, everyone, and welcome to Marcus Corporation's Third Quarter Earnings Conference Call. My name is Lydia, and I will be your operator today. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. Joining us today are Greg Marcus, Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer; and Chad Paris, Chief Financial Officer and Treasurer of Marcus Corporation. At this time, I'd like to turn the program over to Mr. Paris for his opening remarks. Please go ahead, sir.

Good morning, and welcome to our fiscal 2025 third quarter conference call. I need to begin by stating that we plan to make a number of forward-looking statements on our call today, which may be identified by our use of words such as believe, anticipate, expect or other similar words. Our forward-looking statements are subject to certain risks and uncertainties, which may cause our actual results to differ materially from those expected or projected in our forward-looking statements. These statements are only made as of the date of this conference call, and we disclaim any obligation to publicly update such forward-looking statements to reflect subsequent events or circumstances. The risks and uncertainties, which could impact our ability to achieve our expectations identified in our forward-looking statements are included under the heading forward-looking statements in the press release we issued this morning announcing our third quarter results, and in the Risk Factors section of our fiscal 2024 annual report on Form 10-K, which you can access on the SEC's website. Additionally, we refer you to the disclosures and reconciliations we provided in today's earnings press release regarding the use of adjusted EBITDA, a non-GAAP financial measure in evaluating our performance and its limitations, a copy of which is available on the Investor Relations page of our website at investors.markuscorp.com. All right. With that behind us, let's begin. I'll start this morning by spending a few minutes sharing the results from our third quarter and then discuss our balance sheet, liquidity, and capital allocation. I'll then turn the call over to Greg, who will focus his prepared remarks on where our businesses are today and what we are seeing ahead. We'll then open up the call for questions. This morning, we reported a quarter with solid results overall despite somewhat mixed results in our divisions relative to our expectations. In hotels, we exceeded our expectations and were able to overcome a very challenging prior year comparison to deliver revenue growth and outperform our competitive sets. In theaters, we saw a less concentrated film slate with several films that performed well relative to our expectations, but the slate lacked a major breakthrough tent pole that we've seen in the third quarter the last couple of years. During our seasonally busiest quarter, our teams in both businesses remain focused on serving our guests with excellence to deliver memorable experiences. I'll start with a few highlights from our consolidated results for the third quarter of 2025. Consolidated revenues of $210 million were down 9.7% compared to the prior year quarter. Operating income for the quarter was $22.7 million, a decrease of $10.1 million compared to the prior year quarter. Consolidated adjusted EBITDA for the third quarter was $40.4 million, a decrease of $11.9 million compared to the third quarter of fiscal 2024. Net earnings for the quarter were $16.2 million or $0.52 per share and were favorably impacted by a nonrecurring gain on a property insurance settlement of $3 million or $0.10 per share net of tax. Excluding the impact of the gain, net earnings for the third quarter were $13.2 million or $0.42 per share compared to prior year third quarter net earnings of $24.8 million or $0.78 per share, excluding the impacts of our convertible debt repurchases last year. The change in our fiscal year-end quarters had an immaterial impact on our third quarter results with one additional operating day during the quarter in fiscal 2025 compared to last year. Turning to our segment results. I'll begin this morning with our theater division. Third quarter fiscal 2025 total revenue of $119.9 million decreased approximately 16% compared to the prior year third quarter, primarily due to weaker performances from the top films in the quarter compared to the top films in the quarter last year and less carryover of films that released in the second quarter compared to last year's carryover. Comparable theater admission revenue for the third quarter decreased 15.8%, and comparable theater attendance decreased 18.7% compared with our fiscal third quarter 2024. While our market share in the third quarter of 2025 was in line with our historical third quarter share, including our third quarter share in 2023, this year's film mix did not help us. Notably, the film slate did not include a family animated film in the top five movies of the quarter, a genre that our circuit typically outperforms in. When using our comparable fiscal days, U.S. box office receipts decreased 12% during our fiscal 2025 third quarter compared to U.S. box office receipts during our fiscal third quarter last year, indicating our admissions revenue performance trailed the industry by 3.8 percentage points. We believe that our lower box office performance relative to the nation during the third quarter was primarily attributable to our strong performance in the third quarter last year when our circuit outperformed the national box office growth by nearly 6 percentage points. As you may recall, a year ago, our third quarter 2024 box office results benefited from a favorable film mix in which we achieved above our historical average market share for each of our top six movies in the quarter, including several films such as Inside Out 2, Despicable Me 4, and Twisters where we significantly outperformed our typical share. Our admissions revenues did benefit from several pricing changes that we discussed with you last quarter, with average admission prices increasing 3.6% during the third quarter of fiscal 2025 compared to last year. Our admission per caps were favorably impacted by strategic pricing changes, including adjustments to our Everyday Matinee program and pricing surcharges on select high-demand summer blockbuster films. In addition, admission per caps were also favorably impacted by a higher percentage of our attendance on PLF screens compared to last year's quarter. We also grew our average concession food and beverage revenues per person at our comparable theaters, which increased by 2.1% during the third quarter of fiscal 2025 compared to last year's third quarter and was driven by an increase in merchandise sales and pricing. Our top ten films in the quarter represented approximately 72% of the box office in the third quarter of fiscal 2025 compared to 83% for the top ten films in the third quarter last year. The less concentrated film slate featuring fewer blockbuster films compared to the more concentrated slate in the third quarter last year resulted in an approximately 3 percentage point decrease in overall film cost as a percentage of admission revenues. Finally, Theater Division adjusted EBITDA during the third quarter of fiscal 2025 was $22.1 million, a 33% decrease over the prior year quarter, primarily due to the lower attendance volumes. Turning to our Hotels and Resorts division, total revenues before cost reimbursements were $80.3 million for the third quarter of fiscal 2025, a 1.7% increase compared to the prior year. RevPAR for our comparable owned hotels decreased 1.5% during the third quarter compared to the prior year, which resulted from an overall occupancy rate increase of 1.7 percentage points offset by a 3.6% decrease in our average daily rate, or ADR. Our average occupancy rate for our owned hotels was 78.4% during the third quarter of 2025. As you may recall, our third quarter 2024 results benefited from the Republican National Convention and its significant impact on the results at our three Milwaukee hotels, resulting in approximately $3.3 million of incremental revenue. The RNC primarily had the effect of increasing average daily rates, and when we adjust out that one-time impact, we achieved some very impressive rate and RevPAR growth. When excluding the impact of the RNC on our three Milwaukee hotels from last year's results, our average daily rate during the third quarter of 2025 grew approximately 5% compared to the prior year quarter, and RevPAR grew approximately 7.5%. According to data received from Smith Travel Research, comparable competitive hotels in our markets experienced a decrease in RevPAR of 6.7% for the third quarter of 2025 compared to the third quarter of fiscal 2024, indicating that our hotels outperformed the competitive set by 5.2 percentage points. We believe our outperformance resulted primarily from strong sales results with our group customer segment as well as a strong summer season at Grand Geneva Resort & Spa and higher results from the recently renovated properties in our portfolio. When comparing our RevPAR results to comparable upper upscale hotels throughout the U.S., the upper upscale segment experienced a decrease in RevPAR of 1.3% during our third quarter compared to the third quarter of fiscal 2024, indicating that our hotels performed generally in line with the industry despite the growth headwind from the prior year RNC impact, and they outperformed the industry by nearly 9 percentage points when adjusting for the estimated impact of the RNC on our RevPAR growth. With the strong growth in group business and events, our banquet and catering operations continued to grow with food and beverage revenues up 8.3% in the third quarter of fiscal 2025 compared to the prior year, which includes the impact of the headwind from prior year RNC related banquet and catering events. Finally, hotels adjusted EBITDA was essentially flat in the third quarter of fiscal 2025 compared to the prior year quarter, which we believe was a significant achievement given the changes in our revenue mix, with a decrease in high rate, high-margin rooms revenue in the prior year due to the RNC and the increase in comparatively lower margin food and beverage revenue. Shifting to cash flow and the balance sheet, our cash flow from operations was $39.1 million in the third quarter of fiscal 2025 compared to cash flow from operations of $30.5 million in the prior year quarter, with the increase in cash flow primarily due to differences in the timing of various working capital payments. Total capital expenditures during the third quarter of fiscal 2025 were $20.9 million compared to $18.5 million in the third quarter of fiscal 2024. A large portion of our capital expenditures during the third quarter were invested in the Hilton Milwaukee renovation, with the balance going to maintenance projects in both businesses. Our capital investments and renovations projects have progressed as planned, and we now expect capital expenditures for fiscal 2025 of $75 million to $85 million. The timing of several projects will impact our final capital expenditure number for the year. Looking ahead, as we get past the heavy part of the reinvestment cycle that we are in this year with our current hotel portfolio, we see a meaningful step down in capital expenditures in 2026. Our preliminary expectation is for approximately $50 million to $55 million of capital expenditures in 2026 with this range subject to adjustment for the final timing of payments for our 2025 projects. We ended the third quarter with approximately $7 million in cash and over $214 million in total liquidity with a debt-to-capitalization ratio of 26% and net leverage of 1.7x. Finally, in today's earnings release, we announced that during the third quarter, we repurchased approximately 600,000 shares of our common stock for $9.1 million in cash. This brings our share repurchases this year to just over 1 million shares or approximately 3.2% of our outstanding shares at the beginning of the year. Our cumulative buyback since resuming share repurchases in the third quarter of 2024 are now over 1.7 million shares or approximately 5.3% of our outstanding share count when we begin returning nearly $26 million in capital to shareholders. Our strong balance sheet and confidence in our businesses give us the ability to continue pursuing growth investments while returning capital to shareholders through our quarterly dividend and opportunistic share repurchases. We will continue to allocate capital with a balanced approach that supports our strategic priorities while pursuing investments that provide the most attractive returns to shareholders. Greg will further discuss our capital allocation approach and today's announcement of an increase in our share repurchase authorization. And with that, I will now turn the call over to Greg.

Thanks, Chad. Good morning, everyone. When we were together last quarter, we shared that our summer was off to a solid start in both of our businesses. In theaters, a more diverse film slate was bringing out audiences for a series of solid performances. In hotels, we were gaining momentum as we entered the third quarter, and we're well positioned with several newly remodeled properties in our portfolio. As the rest of the third quarter played out, we saw some divergence between the results of our two divisions. In theaters, we saw a late summer movie season that included several films that performed well and met our own expectations, but it lacked a runaway hit blockbuster film that we've had the last couple of years, and the film mix was challenging for our markets. In hotels, our team executed exceptionally well, capitalizing on both group and leisure demand and delivered a quarter that outperformed our competitors in the nation, overcoming a very difficult comparison to our record third quarter results last year. As I will discuss today, while the overall result was a mixed quarter compared to our own expectations, there were many positives that we think will benefit us in the long term. I'll start with our theater division. In a quarter where there has been much industry discussion about a national box office that was down nearly 12%, I'd like to step back for a moment with some perspective and start with a few things that we thought were positive. First of all, we have good product supply with 32 wide releases in the third quarter this year compared to 29 last year. The film slate was less concentrated, and many of the smaller and midsized pictures actually performed better on average than they performed last year. When you get past the top six movies in the quarter, the average box office gross per film for the next 14 films in the top 20 was up over 11%. We believe this illustrates that there is an important role for small and midsized films in theatrical. And contrary to some of the narrative in the trade press, audiences want to come out to see these movies in theaters. Second, there were several films that outperformed expectations. James Gunn's Superman opened to $125 million domestically, achieving over $350 million in box office during its domestic run and grossing over $600 million globally. More importantly, the success of this DC franchise film sets up a promising outlook for future sequels with more DC adventures on the horizon. Zach Cregger's horror hit Weapons crossed $100 million in domestic box office in just two weeks and its way to over $150 million for the run. The Conjuring: Last Rites smashed box office records with both the highest domestic and global opening for a horror film, going on to become the highest grossing film in The Conjuring series. Demon Slayer: Infinity Castle broke the anime record with a $70 million domestic opening and has continued to play strong to become the highest grossing international movie ever in the U.S. with a domestic run now of over $132 million. These were all great results for these films, and they illustrate the audience appeal for a wide range of content across genres. So where did the summer box office come up short compared to last year? We think it ultimately comes down to a couple of simple factors. First, we didn't have a breakout smash hit this year that was the must-see film of the summer, as we've seen in the last two years. The number one film in the third quarter last year was Deadpool & Wolverine, and in 2023, it was Barbie, with both films grossing approximately $630 million domestically in the quarter. As I discussed earlier, the number one film in the quarter this year, Superman, was a great success for many reasons, but at $350 million, its gross was approximately $280 million lower. We've been in this industry for a long time, and this dynamic with varying levels of box office hits from year to year isn't new; it's just the nature of our business. Second, the summer box office was lighter on family films, a genre where we typically outperform. Last year, our top five films in the third quarter included Despicable Me 4 at number two and Inside Out 2 at number five, which was the second quarter release that carried over and held strong into the third quarter. This contributed $183 million to the third quarter domestic box office. This year's third quarter did not have a family animated film in the top five and didn't benefit from carryover of family films released in Q2. Again, this isn't really a new phenomenon, but it did create a tough comparison to last year, particularly for our circuit, which historically has outperformed on family films. Chad discussed the factors we believe are impacting our box office growth relative to the nation, and while we underperformed the nation by just under 4 percentage points, this was primarily due to our strong outperformance last year in the third quarter, coupled with a film mix this year that didn't include many family films. I'm pleased to share that we continue to make progress on optimizing prices to capture premium during peak periods and maintain the right balance of value-oriented options for more price-sensitive customers during lower demand periods. As expected, our admission per caps improved during the third quarter as we implemented blockbuster pricing on high-demand films and continued to adjust pricing for our Everyday Matinee program. We expect continued growth in our admission per caps for the next several quarters. We're looking forward to an exciting fall and holiday film slate including Wicked: For Good, Zootopia 2, Five Nights at Freddy's 2, The SpongeBob Movie: Search for SquarePants, and Avatar Fire and Ash, just to name a few. Advanced ticket sales of Wicked: For Good have been strong and are currently trending over three times ahead of presales for last year's Wicked. As we look ahead to next year, the 2026 film slate features major franchises, including Spider-Man: Brand New Day, The Super Mario Galaxy Movie, Moana, Jumanji 3, Toy Story 5, Megameno, The Mandalorian and Grogu, Dune: Messiah, and Avengers: Doomsday just to name a few. There are many more great films coming noted in today's earnings release; the 2026 film slate continues to fill in, and the early indication is that while there are a similar number of franchise films in 2026 compared to this year, the grossing potential of 2026 franchise is greater based on the historical predecessor box office performances. The 2026 slate currently includes four films where the predecessor earned over $500 million at the domestic box office compared to only one such film in 2025. Moving to our Hotels and Resorts division, you've seen the segment numbers, and Chad shared some additional detail on the performance metrics, including our outperformance to the competitive sets. We expected this quarter to be a challenging comparison to last year for the hotel division, given the significant impact the RNC had on our Milwaukee hotels in the third quarter last year. I'm thrilled to share that our teams met the challenge and delivered absolute growth to overcome a tough comp. The RNC was an extraordinary event for our largest market, and when we back out the RNC impact from our prior year results, our core business performed very well. In particular, two of our newly renovated properties, Grand Geneva Resort & Spa and the Pfister Hotel benefited from our investments in renovations and great execution by our teams to deliver outstanding results this quarter. There were several notable items in the quarter that I'd like to highlight. Average daily rates during the quarter were generally strong, with rate growth at four of our seven hotels when adjusted for the prior year RNC impact. We have been successful in achieving higher rates at our hotels with newly renovated room product, including the Pfister, Grand Geneva Resort & Spa and Hilton Milwaukee. Occupancy remains strong with occupancy growth at six of our seven hotels. The combination of strong ADR and occupancy growth resulted in our properties once again outperforming their competitive sets with impressive RevPAR growth of 7.5% when adjusted for the prior year impact of the RNC. Group business during the quarter was stable, and as we approach the end of the year, our group room revenue bookings for the full year fiscal 2025 or group pace in the year for the year are running slightly behind where we were at this time last year, which includes the RNC group business last year, even more encouraging. Group room pace for 2026 is running approximately 14% ahead of where we were at this time last year, for the next year, with banquet and catering revenues similarly running ahead of last year's pace. The current state of our hotel business remains stable and consistent with our view last quarter. While some markets have seen some more significant leisure softening, our owned portfolio has generally performed well. Leisure transient demand remains soft in some markets around the country, but our hotel portfolio has not seen significant signs of softening or significant cancellations of group business. We believe our upper upscale positioning, drive to market locations, and a broad segmentation lessen our exposure to any one type of customer. We'll see less volatility if further economic softening occurs. There remains an increased level of economic uncertainty compared to where we were a year ago, and if we begin to see softness, we are prepared to react and adjust quickly. Our operations team is continuously focused on labor efficiency, and we've developed a strong track record of successfully managing through a changing demand environment. Finally, I'd like to close with our views on capital allocation and returning capital to shareholders. For the last couple of years, we've made significant reinvestments in our assets, and as Chad discussed, we expect to move past this heavy CapEx cycle next year as we shift back to a more typical maintenance and ROI CapEx mix. We're seeing great results from our renovated properties, and we believe these investments will continue to have attractive long-term returns. On the growth front, we continue to look for opportunities to deploy capital to grow both of our businesses with value-accretive investments. We have confidence in our businesses and a strong balance sheet that allows us to move quickly when we see good opportunities. And we have a history of executing when they arise. To the extent that we don't see attractive investments that are actionable, we expect to return excess capital to shareholders through share repurchases or dividends. As Chad described in greater detail, we repurchased over 5% of our outstanding shares through opportunistic share repurchases since we began repurchasing shares in the third quarter of 2024. Between cash dividends and share repurchases, we have returned over $25 million or approximately $0.80 per share to shareholders in the last four quarters. This morning, we announced that our Board of Directors has approved a four million share increase in our current repurchase authorization, bringing our current share repurchase authorization to 4.7 million shares. In the absence of growth investments with attractive returns, we will continue to use this authorization to opportunistically repurchase shares and return capital to shareholders. This new authorization will give us the flexibility to move quickly as opportunities arise. Throughout our company's history, we've taken a balanced approach of investing in long-term growth opportunities while returning capital to shareholders, and you should expect us to continue to do both going forward. It won't be all of one or the other. We continue to pursue growth opportunities in both of our businesses, and we're generally opportunistic in investing where we see value and attractive returns, whether it be in new deals or in buying back our stock as we've done recently. Finally, tomorrow marks an important milestone in our history. On November 1, 1935, my grandfather, Ben Marcus, founded what became the Marcus Corporation with the purchase of a single-screen movie theater in Ripon, Wisconsin. During the month of November, we will celebrate the company's 90th anniversary, and our theme for the year has been the spirit of entrepreneurship. One of the guiding principles that my grandfather and dad instilled in all of us is that our company's future will be built on that same entrepreneurial legacy. We are called on to push, change, and evolve because as we know from our 90 years of history, the only constant is change. I'm excited to celebrate our 90th anniversary with our associates who, by the way, my grandfather taught us, are our most important asset. As we both recognize our achievements and look ahead to a future that will continue the legacy of these great businesses for many years to come. Before we open up the call for questions, I want to conclude my remarks by saying thank you to all the hard-working associates of the Marcus Corporation. I don't want to ever take for granted what each and every one of them does to contribute to the success of both of our businesses. Thank you. With that, at this time, Chad and I would be happy to open the call up for any questions you may have.

Our first question today comes from Eric Wold with Texas Capital.

I have a couple of questions. You noted that there was rate growth in four of the seven hotels this quarter. For the other three hotels, is the lack of rate growth a short-term issue, or has it persisted for more than one quarter? Do you believe this situation is more related to competition in those markets? I don't want to dwell on it too much, but I'm interested in whether this is a temporary issue or something longer-term, and whether it might require investment in the next few years.

Thanks, Eric. Yes, I mean, at the three hotels where we didn't see ADR growth, I would say there are more market dynamics. Two of them have been persistent market dynamics that are more generated by supply in the market. And in the third, it really was just a little bit of softening very recently in demand. But I don't know, two of the three, I don't see significant CapEx investments. We have one of those three that we're going to be doing some small refreshes too, but nothing anywhere near what we've done at the three major properties over the last few years. I would describe it as a more normal course refresh that is embedded in our $50 million to $55 million of CapEx that we expect for next year.

Got it. And on that $50 million to $55 million, is that considered including refreshes, is that considered, I guess, more of a maintenance CapEx number kind of going forward? Anything that would be kind of unusual in that number?

It's not 100% maintenance. There is some ROI that we're doing in that, and we've done some of that this year in the theater business, and there'll be some of that again as we look forward in both of the businesses. There's always some of those types of activities, but it is primarily maintenance and ROI capital.

Got it. And then just a last question. I know you mentioned this a bit with the capital return comments. With the increased share repurchases this year and the new buyback authorization, should merger and acquisition opportunities arise in either the hotel or exhibition sectors, can you discuss your comfort level with adding leverage to the balance sheet? What do you consider an acceptable leverage ratio, and if the equity returns to what you believe to be a more appropriate valuation, would you consider using equity for future M&A, or do you think that's not the best approach?

Yes. On the first part of your question on M&A, I think if we have something that's actionable, we will move on it. We have been allocating a lot of capital to share repurchases lately. And at the current leverage of 1.7x, we're very comfortable, and we actually have a target leverage that's a bit above that, closer to 2.25% to 2.5%. So we have some capacity to do that, and if we found the right type of M&A opportunity, we have some flexibility and can flex up a bit and then bring ourselves back down to somewhere in that target level, but very comfortable with where we're operating right now, and there's actually some room to do a bit more and continue to invest.

As for whether we would use equity, yes, we have a history of returning capital to shareholders through stock repurchases when we see an opportunity. We also utilize our stock as capital when we believe the price is appropriate. It will depend on market conditions. We don't buy stock programmatically regardless of the price, nor do we sell stock just to raise equity. Our decisions will be based on price evaluations and what makes sense at the time.

And just to be clear, at the current levels, obviously, we're in the market and we were repurchasing shares during the quarter. And so that's kind of the level that we're at right now; you wouldn't see us issue equity at the current share price to go do M&A.

Our next question comes from Patrick Sholl with Barrington Research.

I am interested in understanding concessions. Given the current macro environment, have you observed any changes in consumer behavior in terms of acceptance or hesitation regarding price increases and how that affects inflationary pressures?

Pat. No, we haven't really seen a lot to speak of over the summer in changes in consumer buying patterns. The hit rate and the basket sizes have been pretty consistent. We've moved through inflationary-type price increases. Nothing overly aggressive as we've seen in our per caps. And there's actually been more propensity for our customers to buy merchandise associated with concession purchases. That's been a nice part of the uplift. But nothing that we've seen that would tell you there's a change going on in the willingness to buy concessions.

Okay. And then maybe just a question on the M&A market. Just kind of with the, I guess, softening macro environment in hotels and maybe some stability in the film slate. I'm just kind of curious how you're seeing the various macro factors kind of affecting the M&A market in those two segments?

It seems that there are some emerging trends. When looking at the broader picture, the market remains sluggish regarding transaction volume. However, right now, it feels like there is more activity. There isn't significant selling pressure from performance concerns at this time. Some owners may hold onto assets for too long, which is their challenge. One of the main issues we encounter is that if an investment was based on an exit cap that is much lower than current cap rates, those owners may choose to hold onto their assets as long as possible. Since the economy has remained stable, we aren’t observing forced sales. People are starting to consider reinvesting as they approach property improvement plans, leading to potential opportunities. This sentiment does not reflect the economic pressure you might expect with a slowing economy.

We'll move to our next question from Andrew Crum with B. Riley Securities.

So I think you talked about expectations for admission per cap growth over the next few quarters. Does that incorporate or contemplate any further changes to your pricing strategy? And if so, what are those? And any early learnings from the pricing increases you took at the beginning of 3Q?

Andrew, yes, it does not contemplate a lot of significant changes prospectively beyond what we did in the third quarter; it's more the annualization benefit and tailwind that we'll get from, frankly, flipping from a headwind on some of the discount programs that we've been comping for the last year to now moving to some strategic pricing moves that have increased pricing and that becomes a tailwind. During the third quarter, we had blockbuster pricing on a number of films that our pricing approach and that evolved a bit throughout the quarter in terms of the length of period that we had blockbuster pricing on, and Everyday Matinee evolved a bit during the quarter. But I think we've hit a level that makes sense. Pricing, as we talked about last quarter, continues to be an area where the industry has done various experimenting. And so we'll continue to watch what others are doing. But in what we did in the third quarter, it is having the effect that we expected it would.

Got it. Okay. And then you guys discussed the composition of the fleet in 3Q having a negative impact on your theater admissions. As you look at 4Q, how are you viewing mix? Is it a positive for your circuit, negative, or too tough to tell?

Yes, I'll start first and let Greg add on his thoughts. I mean I think it's a little bit tough to tell. It's easy to forget that we had a Moana film in the fourth quarter last year, and we don't have something quite like that. We do have a couple of family films here coming up in the quarter. And we have an Avatar, which we didn't have last year. So there are several puts and takes. It's frankly tough to tell on mix.

It's difficult to say. We've never had certainty. I'm pleased we have Zootopia and Wicked, which should perform well in our markets. I'm a fan of SpongeBob, but we'll just have to wait and see how things unfold.

Our next question comes from Mike Hickey with Benchmark.

I guess first, Greg, obviously, I heard your prepared comments on '26 for both your segments, sounded pretty bullish actually encouraging. Just would love to get sort of your off-script thoughts Greg on the growth opportunity you see from theaters and hotels and any catalysts or major drivers. Obviously, you list a lot of films that sound encouraging. Maybe something that's very relevant to your demo. And on the hotel side, I don't know if the mark, it seems like a really interesting project that you guys are doing, if that could be a catalyst or any other initiatives that you think can move the needle for you guys across your two segments in '26. I've got a couple of follow-ups.

Sure. On the theater side, I typically avoid making predictions about future performance. I tend to focus on the number of films we have, which provides a range of expectations. Some years will certainly outperform others. For example, this year's Memorial Day was the biggest in movie history, followed by a slower summer, so there remains uncertainty. However, looking at the number of franchise films scheduled for next year, it's quite similar to this year, possibly just one less. Analyzing historical earnings from the franchises being released indicates a stronger outlook than what we experienced in 2025, which I consider an important factor, even though predicting remains challenging. Regarding hotels, we have made several investments that should yield positive results. There's an adage that both old and new properties can succeed, which works in our favor. While discussing the Mark, I want to clarify that it was an opportunistic decision. We’ve been careful regarding how much we invest in the Milwaukee Hilton. We chose not to renovate the entire property and decided to close 176 rooms, but not immediately since we still have demand for them. Therefore, we won't be investing heavily; instead, we'll operate it independently from the Hilton system. We aim to generate some cash flow while we evaluate future plans. Any further investment in the hotel will require community support, and if that’s the case, we'll consider it. If not, we will explore different uses for the property, but in the meantime, we will manage it to maintain cash flow.

Mike, I just want to add one comment on the '26 slate in terms of film mix. The one thing that does stand out is when you look at family content next year and you look at the franchises, we have Mario Brothers, we have Toy Story, we have Minions movie, we have Moana, we have a Jumanji. I think the family mix comparatively to '25 is very helpful for our circuit.

Then I guess given that you guys seem optimistic on growth, how should we think about the bottom line here, EBITDA growth potential operating leverage and free cash flow conversion? I know that's come up a lot, when you think about, I guess, catalyst to your valuation. I think free cash flow in '26 would probably stand out as the largest.

Yes, there's no doubt that as our capital expenditures decrease, our free cash flow will experience significant growth next year. The highest leverage is seen in the theater business. If we assume that the hotel business remains steady in alignment with a stable economy, and if the film slate for 2026 continues to expand, our operating leverage in theaters has typically contributed around 50% to the growth in our bottom line and revenue. We are committed to effectively managing our cost structure and improving how we operate our facilities, especially during periods of low content supply, as this is crucial for maintaining that level of contribution margin, particularly given the pronounced fluctuations we've experienced over the last couple of years. Therefore, EBITDA should increase in line with revenue growth, which we anticipate given the upcoming film slate.

Last question. Obviously, recent news that Mark is retiring, sad to hear that 55 years, you never hear that sort of tenure with the company, so congrats to him. Just curious on the transition plan, and if this could also be a potential catalyst for maybe a change in strategy and how you manage your theater asset?

We are currently in the process of searching for a new leader, considering both internal and external candidates. With this new leadership, we aim to introduce fresh ideas and approaches. While we are celebrating our 90th anniversary, I don’t expect a complete overhaul in our business strategy. However, I welcome new ideas and methods, and we continuously strive to innovate and discover what works. Not everything succeeds, but occasionally, we find a successful approach that we can pursue.

Thanks, Mike.

At this time, it appears there are no other questions. So I'd like to turn the call back to Mr. Paris for any additional or closing comments.

We'd like to thank everybody for joining us today, and we look forward to talking to you once again in late February when we release our fourth quarter results. Until then, thank you, and have a good day.

This concludes today's call. You may disconnect your line at any time.