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Urban Outfitters Inc Q1 FY2026 Earnings Call

Urban Outfitters Inc (URBN)

Earnings Call FY2026 Q1 Call date: 2025-04-30 Concluded

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Operator

Good day ladies and gentlemen. And welcome to the Urban Outfitters, Inc.’s First Quarter Fiscal 2026 Earnings Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. After the speakers’ presentation, there will be a question-and-answer session. As a reminder, today's program is being recorded. I would now like to introduce your host for today’s program, Oona McCullough, Executive Director of Investor Relations. Miss McCullough, you may begin.

Oona McCullough Head of Investor Relations

Good afternoon, and welcome to the URBN first quarter fiscal 2026 conference call. Earlier this afternoon, the company issued a press release outlining the financial and operating results for the three-month period ending April 30, 2025. The following discussions may include forward-looking statements. Please note that actual results may differ materially from those statements. Additional information concerning factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from projected results is contained in the company’s filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission. For more detailed commentary on our quarterly performance and the text of today’s conference call, please refer to our investor relations website at www.urbn.com. I will now turn the call over to Dick.

Speaker 2

Thanks, Oona, and good afternoon, everyone. We’re excited to share that Q1 was another record-breaking quarter for URBN. Both sales and profits exceeded our expectations and easily outpaced last year’s Q1 results. You’ll hear more about these strong results from Frank Conforti, our Co-President and COO. Then Melanie Marein-Efron, our CFO, will walk you through our outlook for Q2 and beyond. I’ll wrap things up with a few closing thoughts before we open it up for your questions. Now, over to Frank.

Thank you, Dick, and good afternoon, everyone. Today, I’m excited to share our company’s first-quarter results compared to last year, and then I’ll dive into some detailed notes by brand. Overall, our teams delivered another outstanding quarter, exceeding our plans as we discussed on the recent fourth quarter conference call. Total URBN sales grew by 11%, hitting a Q1 record of $1.3 billion. All of our brands delivered positive sales comps, and four of our five brands performed exceptionally well, posting record first-quarter sales. Urban Outfitters also continued to make significant strides, as the brand posted the first positive sales comp in quite some time and delivered continued progress in reducing its operating loss compared to last year. Our sales growth was partly driven by a 5% increase in the Retail segment comp. URBN comps were positive in both channels, with stores outperforming digital. Nuuly delivered impressive 60% revenue growth, with a 53% increase in average active subscribers. Additionally, the Wholesale segment saw a 24% revenue increase, driven by a healthy rise in full-price sales at Free People. Now, let’s talk about gross profit. URBN saw a 20% increase in gross profit dollars, reaching a record $489 million. The gross profit rate also improved nicely by 278 basis points, which includes non-recurring benefits of 74 basis points, rising to 36.8%. The remaining 204 basis point increase was due to better gross margins across all segments. The improvement in gross margins was due to leverage on occupancy and delivery expenses and lower markdowns, largely driven by the Urban Outfitters brand. In the quarter, SG&A increased by 8.1%, leveraging by 65 basis points. The growth in SG&A dollars was primarily driven by increased marketing spend, which fueled sales growth for all brands. The marketing efforts drove increases in traffic and transactions, both in stores and online for total URBN, while Nuuly's campaigns resulted in healthy double-digit growth in average active subscribers. Overall, total URBN operating income rose by 72% compared to last year, reaching $128 million, while the operating profit rate improved by over 340 basis points to 9.6%. Net income saw a 75% increase to $108 million or $1.16 per diluted share. Moving on to brand performance, starting with Anthropologie. The Anthropologie team had another fantastic quarter, achieving a 7% increase in their retail segment comp, which marks four years of consecutive quarterly positive comps. This success was fueled by equal strength in the digital and store channels, both of which benefited from increased traffic. Every category saw positive regular price and total sales comps, with strong performance across all apparel categories, in addition to shoes, accessories, beauty, and home accessories. The team at Anthropologie continues to do an excellent job with their strategy to expand their product offerings to fit their customers' full lifestyle. As mentioned on the last call, the brand recently launched Celandine, an exclusive in-house resort wear label that offers year-round vacation-ready styles. This category's growth has exceeded our expectations. Alongside Celandine, Daily Practice and the expanded assortment of intimates and loungewear are also seeing impressive growth, and we believe these could become significant categories in the future. Turning to the home category, the brand saw impressive growth driven by the increase in home accessories and textiles, both of which are benefiting from consumers’ desire to refresh their homes. The team has focused on incorporating more newness into these categories, catering to consumers’ desire for more frequent updates for their homes. The brand's ability to create compelling product assortments in conjunction with strategic marketing investments and exceptional creative content have enabled them to succeed in their goal of attracting new, younger customers while deepening engagement with their existing ones. The brand drove growth across new, retained, and reactivated customers in the quarter. These efforts led to strong traffic increases in both stores and digital during the first quarter. The Anthropologie brand delivered exceptional top line growth and the tenth straight quarter of double-digit operating profit growth resulting in a record first quarter operating income. Based on our current plans, we believe the Anthropologie Group could deliver a mid-single-digit positive retail segment comp in Q2. Next, I want to highlight the fantastic performance of the Free People team this quarter. They delivered an 11% increase in total retail and wholesale segment sales and double-digit operating profit growth for the brand. Their double-digit sales growth was driven by a 3% Retail segment comp, a 26% rise in Free People Wholesale segment revenues, and over 200% increase in non-comp sales. The positive retail segment comp was driven by low single-digit comp in both the stores and digital channel. Throughout the quarter, Free People saw positive comp sales growth across all major categories. The FP Movement brand also delivered robust total retail and wholesale segment sales growth of 29%, driven by total retail segment growth of 16%, a 6% Retail segment comp, and explosive 78% growth in FP Movement Wholesale segment revenue. Non-comp sales growth was boosted by the opening of 43 new stores, including 14 Free People brand and 29 FP Movement brand locations over the past 12 months. Based on our current plans, we believe the Free People Group Retail segment could deliver a mid-single-digit positive comp in Q2. Free People Wholesale revenues increased by 26% during the quarter, driven by full-price sales gains in specialty and department stores. The profitability of Free People Wholesale improved significantly from the prior year. Now, let's move on to the Urban Outfitters brand. Urban Outfitters recorded a positive 2% global retail segment comp for the quarter. Congratulations to the teams on much-improved business and the first positive comp in some time. North America recorded a negative 4% retail segment comp and Europe an exceptionally strong positive 14% retail segment comp. The total global comp was driven by positive store comps, partially offset by negative digital comp in North America. The digital business in North America continues to anniversary heavy promotional activity from the prior year, which will begin to abate after the second quarter this year. Positive global comps were a result of strong regular price business in most categories in both channels which led to a significant reduction in markdowns versus last year and an improvement in profitability levels for the brand. In North America, the teams continue to focus on the pillars of the transformation strategy Shea spoke to last year; focus on the customer, evolving the product assortment, rebuilding our customer base, adapting our channels to offer a more relevant experience and deliver profitable growth. The teams have evolved the product assortment to be more relevant for the customer. Denim, lounge, accessories, and home sales were all comp positive in the quarter. Notable market brands have been added to the assortment including a successful Baggu collaboration and the recent addition of the Nike brand, currently available online and in 40 stores. Regular price sales for the brand were positive for the second consecutive quarter and accelerated from Q4 last year, showing continued improvement in the product offering, inventory management, and marketing campaigns. Marketing and creative efforts have improved significantly. Our focus on acquiring new customers has been successful with positive growth in new customers, entering the brand in the right demographic. Lastly, as mentioned before, the brand showed an improvement in profitability versus last year largely due to a lower markdown rate. Now turning to Europe. Our European business delivered a 14% comp, driven by double-digit comp increases in the digital and store channels. During the quarter, the brand achieved positive comps across apparel, home, and accessories. Strong sales comps and improved maintained margins fueled a healthy increase in operating profit for the European team. Based on our current plans, we believe the Global Urban Outfitters brand could deliver a low single-digit positive comp for the second quarter. Finally, let’s touch on the Nuuly business, which delivered another exceptional quarter. Nuuly added over 40,000 average active subscribers since the end of the fourth quarter and has grown average active subscribers by over 110,000 compared to the prior year. This beat even our most optimistic expectations. This growth in average subscribers contributed to a 60% increase in brand revenue and added nearly 400 basis points of revenue growth to total URBN top line. The strong revenue growth in the first quarter resulted in leverage in almost every expense line item, helping to deliver a record first-quarter operating profit of over 5%. The current momentum in the Nuuly business has continued into May where we now sit above 380,000 active subscribers. The performance at Nuuly over the past year has fortified our confidence that our business model is strong, and the rental market opportunity is very large. We are thrilled that Nuuly now appears to be leading the industry with an opportunity to continue to see significant growth. Based on our current plans, we believe Nuuly could deliver a healthy double-digit revenue and profit growth in the second quarter. Now moving on to tariffs. We would like to give you as much clarity as possible but unfortunately you all know this is not possible given the continued uncertainty with news on tariffs changing daily. We can only offer our perspective based on what we know today. Our current assumptions are based on a 10% global tariff on all items entering the US except for items from China, where we are assuming a 30% tariff. First, I want to acknowledge the amazing work our sourcing, brand, and logistics teams have done. Over the last several years, the teams have worked hard to diversify our countries of origin as well as dual source most of our own brand products. This means many of our products are made in two different origins, enabling us to shift production from one country to another if needed. We currently have no single country that accounts for more than 25% of our production. India, Vietnam, and Turkey are our three largest countries of origin, while China represents less than 5%. Quickly after the announcement of tariffs, our teams started working on how to mitigate the impacts with a primary focus on the customer’s experience. We are working hard towards minimizing the impact on the consumer. We have several mitigation tactics that we have been working on, first, negotiating better terms with our vendors. Second, shifting our countries of origin where possible. Third, shifting our mode of transportation from air to boat. And lastly, gently and sparingly raising some prices. Please note that any price increases will be very strategic, protecting opening price points and only targeting areas where we believe we could raise prices without affecting the overall customer experience. As of today, based on the previously stated assumptions, we believe that tariffs could have a minimal negative impact on gross margins in the second quarter and potentially a negative 20 basis points impact in the back half of the year. Although tariffs present a temporary headwind to our business, we are confident in our ability to manage through this environment and still achieve 50 to 100 basis points of gross margin improvement for fiscal year 2026. Again, I want to stress that this plan is based on what we know today. In summary, it was an exceptional quarter. All brands delivered positive sales comps, both the Wholesale and Subscription segments drove double-digit sales growth, and all brands and geographies recorded healthy operating income improvement. We could not be prouder of the teams and their amazing execution. I will now turn the call over to Melanie.

Thanks, Frank, and good afternoon, everyone. Let me walk you through how we’re thinking about our second quarter financial performance. We’re off to a solid start this quarter, and based on what we’re seeing so far, we are planning for total company sales to grow in the high single-digits. In our retail segment, comps sales could grow mid-single-digit, driven by mid-single-digit positive retail segment comps at Anthropologie and Free People brands while Urban Outfitters brand could be low single-digit positive comps. At Nuuly, the brand could deliver mid-double-digit revenue growth, driven by continued subscriber momentum. Finally, our wholesale segment could produce low double-digit growth. As Frank mentioned, we believe gross profit margins could improve by about 50 to 100 basis points compared to last year, both for the second quarter and the full fiscal year. This improvement could come from lower markdowns at Urban Outfitters and occupancy leverage, partially offset by lower initial product margins due to higher US tariffs. Our current assumptions on tariffs are based on 10% global tariff on all items entering the US except for items from China, where we are assuming a 30% tariff. Turning to SG&A, we expect expenses to grow roughly in line with sales based on current sales performance and plans. The planned growth in SG&A is mainly driven by higher marketing spend to support customer and sales growth, along with increased store labor costs related to new store locations. As always, if sales performance fluctuates, we maintain a certain level of variable SG&A spending that we can adjust up and down depending on how our business is performing. We’re planning for an effective tax rate of about 23.5% for Q2 and the full year. Now, onto inventory. While our teams continue to focus on increasing inventory turns, the uncertainty around tariffs means we are likely to bring in fall product a bit earlier. Because of that, inventory growth in Q2 may grow at a rate above sales growth. For FY ‘26, capital expenditures are planned at approximately $240 million. The FY ‘26 capital project spend is broken down as follows: approximately 50% is related to retail store expansion and support, approximately 25% is related to supporting technology and logistics investments, and the remaining 25% is for home office expansion to support our growing businesses. Lastly, we’re planning to open approximately 64 new stores and close approximately 17 this fiscal year. Most of our net new store growth will come from FP Movement, Free People, and Anthropologie. Specifically, we’re planning 25 new FP Movement stores, 15 new Free People stores, and 16 new Anthropologie stores. As a reminder, the foregoing does not constitute a forecast but is simply a reflection of our current views. The company disclaims any obligation to update forward looking statements. With that, I’ll hand it back over to Dick.

Speaker 2

Thanks, Melanie. What a fantastic start to the year. Operating profit came in just shy of our ambitious 10% goal, an incredible achievement. Huge congratulations to all URBN teams for delivering such impressive results. Despite the noise in the headlines and broader economic uncertainty, our customers continued to show resilience in Q1. We haven’t seen any signs of a demand slowdown. In fact, customers were eager for fresh spring fashion – and our teams delivered. From compelling assortments to standout store experiences, and inspiring marketing, we exceeded their expectations. The result? Positive comps across every brand and every segment. This performance speaks volumes about the strength of our strategies, the quality of our execution, and the appeal of our brands. Most of all, it affirms the talent of our leaders and their teams. We’re attracting new customers, keeping our loyal ones, and growing our market share across the board. Each brand is playing a valuable role in the URBN portfolio. Anthropologie and Free People, our two larger brands, continue to grow revenue and deliver healthy mid-teen operating margins. FP Movement is growing faster than its sister brand, thanks to new store openings and strong wholesale demand. And Nuuly, our women’s apparel rental business, is one of the most exciting, high-growth concepts in the market today. Both FP Movement and Nuuly are nicely profitable, gaining brand awareness, and showing real potential to scale. Urban Outfitters North America is making steady progress. Stores were comp positive for the quarter and the number of new, full-price customers grew nicely. In Europe, after a slower start in Q1 last year, Urban delivered powerful comp sales gains that led to a jump in profitability. All in all, I’m delighted with how our brands are performing. Yes, we’re keeping a close eye on supply chain risks and global uncertainty. But as Frank said, based on what we know today, we believe we can continue to grow revenue and expand margins not just in Q2, but for the full year and beyond. We’re confident URBN is well-positioned for continued success. Before we move to Q&A, I want to thank our Co-Presidents, Meg and Frank; our brand leaders, Tricia, Shelia, and Dave and their incredible teams across merchandising, creative, and operations. I also want to recognize our Shared Services teams and our 28,000 associates around the world. Your hard work made this record quarter possible, so thank you. To our global partners, thank you for your cooperation as we work together to navigate the new trade rules. And, to our shareholders, thank you for your continued support. That wraps up our prepared remarks. Now, let’s take your questions.

Operator

Certainly. And ladies and gentlemen, we just ask that you please limit yourselves to one question each. You may get back in the queue as time allows. Our first question for today comes from the line of Lorraine Hutchinson from Bank of America. Your question, please.

Speaker 5

Thanks. Good afternoon. I was hoping you could talk about some of the key drivers of success at UO Europe. Was it branded products, different label product? And which of these learnings can you apply to help bolster the US, UO business?

Speaker 2

Hi, Lorraine, I'll try that and then ask Sheila to back me up. I'm going to ascribe much of the progress to product. They have a number of really strong bottoms that are propelling their business in that area. And now they have added great tops to that. And to your question, the Urban brand in North America is also sharing in a number of those items. And it's helping them very much as well. So products is number one. Number two, I think they have a very strong marketing group and some of their marketing initiatives have proven to be very successful in growing the customers. And I think that about does it, Sheila, anything you want to add?

Speaker 6

I would add just that the women's wear in Europe has continued to find momentum. Over the quarter starting in Q3 last year, they had tremendous growth Q4, and that accelerated into Q1 very nicely. I do think there's strong partnership between Europe and North America that I'm quite excited about with Shea and Emma's leadership. So I think we're only at the beginning.

Operator

Thank you. And our next question comes from the line of Adrienne Yih from Barclays. Your question, please.

Speaker 7

Great. Thank you very much. I have to say, I don't think I've seen all of the brands look this spot-on at the same time in years. And so really, Dick, like you said, congrats to like all the brand leads.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Adrienne.

Speaker 7

You're welcome. I have a couple of quick questions. First, regarding Urban Outfitters, I remember you mentioned possibly changing to a smaller format to enhance productivity. Has that been implemented yet? Also, Melanie, about the early inventory, is that a strategy to avoid tariffs since you operate on a shorter cycle than others, or is it to prepare for potential congestion? Lastly, I noticed you're always on air, and I’m curious if the decision to switch to boat shipping to manage costs aligns with your speed model. Thank you.

I can address the inventory question first, and then we can tackle the others you have, Adrienne. At the end of the first quarter, our inventory situation was influenced by faster-than-expected transit times. We also received some inventory early to mitigate risks related to the uncertain tariff situation, but much of it was due to the inventory arriving ahead of schedule. In the second quarter, the dynamics shift slightly. While there is a degree of fashion risk in bringing products in early, we believe it's wise to acquire fall inventory early, as it is less impacted by fashion trends, especially considering the uncertain tariff situation and potential supply chain disruptions ahead. These are our current plans for Q2, and we expect to have our inventory levels positioned ahead of the anticipated sales growth.

Speaker 2

Thank you. Adrienne, to your last question, going from air to boat definitely adds about 30 days to delivery time. And you're right, there is always a risk as you go out in time that the fashion might not be as accurate as we would like it to be. So to offset that, we are working very hard to use some of the advanced technologies to shorten that time period. And, Shea, I think Adrienne wanted to know about smaller boat.

Speaker 8

Yeah, hi, Adrienne. We have not per se made any adjustments yet, but we have a ton of flexibility over the next couple of years with our fleet as leases become available. And so even as soon as a couple of this year. And so as we look at leases, we'll be looking either to relocate and downsize where we think we're over-spaced or potentially downsize in place. Our goal is to make sure that we are positioned close to our customers. And so as we have this flexibility, I think we'll be looking to do that where, again, we feel like we're overspaced.

Speaker 2

You may want to talk a little bit about the Houston store both sides of that.

Speaker 8

One example is one of our Houston stores where we will be reducing the size by a couple of thousand square feet and implementing our new store concept. We are really excited about that, and it will open later this fall.

Operator

Thank you. And our next question comes from the line of Matthew Boss from JPMorgan. Your question please.

Speaker 9

Thanks and congrats on a nice quarter.

Speaker 2

Thank you.

Speaker 9

So, Dick, could you elaborate on performance by brand, what you've seen in May, maybe your larger picture view on consumer spending on apparel in the back half of the year, just all of the moving parts right now? And then, Melanie, on sustainable top-line growth at the Urban brands, what's a reasonable operating margin you think for the Urban brands multi-year?

Speaker 2

I'll take your first question. May to date, we see the comp sales being very similar to the Q1 print. When we look at comparisons against the same period last year, we believe total retail segment comps that could register in the mid-single-digits upward to Q2. I think that went over that, but I'll reiterate it. We think it might include mid-single-digit comps for both Anthropologie and Free People brands, a low single-digit positive comp for the Urban brand, and strong double-digit growth in average active subscribers and revenues from Nuuly and double-digit sales growth for the Wholesale segment. When you combine all of those, we believe that total URBN Q2 sales could increase in the high single-digit range.

And then, Matt, I'll take your question on return to profit. And first, I just want to give Urban some more congratulations on airtime here. We're just really excited to see the continued progress that the team is making. First positive comp in some time, first positive store comp in North America in some time, continued reduction in their markdown rate based on improved product performance, marketing, and inventory management. The creative execution and marketing continue to improve, which has seen a new customer acquisition, just a ton of boxes being checked there, which is great to see. And I don't know that we've landed exactly on a number as to where Urban should operate from an operating profit just yet. I think we're uber-focused on turning the business back to profitability. We know that won't happen this year. I think in order to do it right, it's about slow and steady progress, capturing that right customer, and really improving all those different metrics that I talked about. I think when you think about mid to high singles being a reasonable opportunity for the brand, but again, that's going to take some time, and it's not going to happen this year. We're just focused on continuing to make the progress, continue to fall back on that loss, and doing it right.

Operator

Thank you. And our next question comes from the line of Paul Lejuez from Citi. Your question, please.

Speaker 10

Hey, thanks, guys. Maybe just to go back to UO margins for a second. Frank, maybe frame for us where rent and occupancy is today for the brand versus where it was, let's say, pre-pandemic '18, '19, whatever is a good year you think to use? And same question for SG&A and that net brand. Just want to get an idea of how much recapture opportunity there is on the margin as sales increase? Thanks.

Yeah. And those specific rates, Paul, change a lot as it relates to the mix of the business between stores and digital. As you know, we're going to follow the customer wherever they are. As Shea talked about, store formats are going to be shrinking from a square footage perspective, that's going to affect your occupancy leverage. So I don't think those rates are as important from a focus right now, I think the important focus is on maintained margin improvement, which the brand is seeing driven by lower markdowns. And where we are is we've made a ton of progress, but we're not at historical averages just yet. We've bought back a lot, but there is still remaining opportunity this year, and there will still be opportunity next year. I think the next leg after maintained is as they've now started to, as a total brand, hit positive comps, and Urban North America is its positive store comps and is inching even closer to positive total comps to leverage that occupancy in those fixed expenses. I think we think we have an opportunity to do that in the back half of this year and then continue that progress next year, which would be the next leg in clawing back that operating profit-loss and turning the brand back into profit.

Operator

Thank you. And our next question comes from the line of Alex Straton from Morgan Stanley. Your question please.

Speaker 11

Perfect. Thanks so much for taking the question. Just one, just on guidance. You outperformed on gross margin quite a bit, but maintaining the full year guidance. So just curious kind of what's holding you back from flowing that through and the puts and takes as you see it on that line item for the rest of the year. And then just on the tariff mitigation tactic of very selectively taking price. I'm just curious what types of categories you see as having the biggest opportunity, and also how quickly you can implement that?

I can take those, Alex. I just want to stress on price. You're right, it is different from one category to the next. But I want to stress that we're being extremely thoughtful and careful about protecting things like opening price points, targeting areas where we believe we could gently and sparingly raise some price points, but we're extremely focused on protecting that consumer experience. You're right, it's different from one category to the next, but it is not the biggest piece of our mitigation strategies by any means. And I just want to stress that with a high level of importance.

Speaker 2

And let me add to that, Frank, before you go through the rest of it. We are definitely considering this raising of prices as the last item that we will try in our portfolio of tricks to try to offset this tax. I think that what you'll see, Alex, is that in products that have a little bit more make in it, have a little bit more embellishment, and are probably a little bit higher priced would be where we would try to get a little bit extra if we need to. If we don't need to, we won't make the change.

Alex, in response to your first question regarding our plans for the year, we are very proud of our execution in Q1 and the ongoing performance of the business. It appears that our customers are holding strong, and our brands are likely gaining market share and performing exceptionally well. Right now, we are planning for the business with high single-digit growth in light of the ongoing uncertainty prevalent in the news and media. This seems like a sensible and cautious approach. The primary reason for our better-than-expected results in Q1 was our top line performance, which achieved nearly 11% growth. I hope this positive trend continues, but given the consistent news about consumer uncertainty, we believe it is prudent to plan conservatively, and I am hopeful our plans will reflect that caution.

Operator

Thank you. And our next question comes from the line of Dana Telsey from Telsey Advisory Group. Your question, please.

Speaker 12

Good afternoon, and I echo the fact that seeing all three brands do such positive results, so nice to see with the path. Nuuly is very exciting and would love to hear how you're thinking about the profitability profile of Nuuly compared to the base business. And how you're thinking of pricing on Nuuly in regard to versus the other brands' business. Is there a difference? And are you seeing anything different in the customer in this environment with Nuuly, and attracting new customers? And also, is there any carryovers, any cannibalization, or are they the same customers in the brands? Thank you.

Thank you, Dana. I will address each point as best I can. The business is quite exciting. We are thrilled to have increased our active subscribers by nearly 23% in the first quarter, which is an impressive achievement for the team. We're feeling positive about this progress. Regarding pricing, we are aware of the current tariff situation but have not yet experienced any impact from it. Implementing price changes is a different challenge for a subscription business compared to retail brands. At this time, we do not plan to raise prices. We will manage the cost pressures and potential cost increases like other brands in the industry.

Speaker 2

I wanted to highlight Nuuly's profitability. From the beginning, we believed we could achieve profitability in this business, and I want to congratulate Dave and his team for reaching their first full year of profitability last year and exceeding 5% in Q1 this year. We have also mentioned that we don’t expect this to be dilutive to our 10% URBN goal, which suggests that we believe the business can operate at a 10% profit margin. We haven't set a goal beyond that since it's still a young brand with significant growth potential and much to learn. However, we don't anticipate Nuuly being dilutive to URBN in the future, and we view 10% as a realistic target moving forward. Additionally, I want to commend Dave and his team for achieving 60% growth, which is truly impressive.

Operator

Thank you. And our next question comes from the line of Mark Altschwager from Baird. Your question please.

Speaker 13

Good afternoon. Thanks for taking my question and congrats on the great results here. For Melanie and/or Frank, I guess, first, could you quantify the markdown benefit in Q1, just of the 200 basis point kind of core gross margin improvement, more than half, roughly half any help there and how to think about that for the rest of the year? And then just bigger-picture, Q1, as you mentioned, you're nearing the 10% operating margin goal. I think it would be unusual for the fiscal year to not exceed the Q1 rate just looking at historical trends. And yet it seems like there are some big levers ahead still on margin with UO profitability increasing over time, newly scaling. So maybe if you could just speak bigger-picture to how you're thinking about the long-term algo. Do you think you can take EBIT margins higher than the 10% rate or do you choose to reinvest the upside and drive a faster top-line through increased marketing spend as you approach that 10% goal? Just be great to hear how you're thinking about that? Thank you.

So, Mark, Dick and I are here giggling a little bit because we know once we get near a target, we know the expectation is always the bar gets raised in the street once more. So certainly, we are still targeting a 10% operating profit rate and confident we can achieve it. We delivered 100 basis points of improvement last year, reaching 8.6% in fiscal '25 based on our plans of 50 to 100 this year that would put us at 9.6% and certainly, we have the opportunity to beat that. What I would say is before we set a new goal, let's hit the first one. And then let's prove we can operate at that. I think you're absolutely correct in that with Urban's turnaround and then once that business turns into profitability with Nuuly having opportunity to continue to grow that rate, yes, there is upside. But for us right now, before we set any new targets, I'd like to hit the first target and then we can get back to you with what we think the upside is. As it relates to markdowns for the first quarter, it was about half of the 204 basis points that you mentioned.

Operator

Thank you. And our next question comes from the line of Marni Shapiro from The Retail Tracker. Your question, please.

Speaker 14

Hey, guys. Congrats to all the teams, and Shea, congrats to you on the Urban improvements. The site looks amazing, that Beck scored that Georgie and like everyone looks like they want to hook up. It's amazing. I wonder if you can touch on the changes you've made in marketing, specifically social media because the brand has suddenly been in my feed very regularly with Halls in a very positive light, which is fantastic to see. And then if you could also just talk a little bit about on rotation, I guess like what was the thinking behind this, why Nike is a partner, though I love it. I'm just kind of curious what your thinking was behind all of that.

Thank you for the compliments. It's great to hear. Regarding your question about social media, it's important to note that our team has been putting in a lot of effort. It's not sufficient to simply post on social platforms anymore. We've adopted a multi-platform strategy, engaging not only on Instagram but also on Pinterest. The team is focused on delivering the right content on the appropriate platforms, showcasing our products authentically, and optimizing for algorithms to effectively reach the feed. It sounds like we are making progress with this approach. We also aim to engage customers meaningfully, sometimes joining conversations or responding directly. We're emphasizing user-generated content to amplify our customers' voices, and I'm glad to hear this seems to be working well. We take pride in the creative assets we’ve shared. As for On Rotation, we were thrilled to launch with Nike last week. They are a major brand well-loved by our customers, and this aligns perfectly with our strategy to focus on customer preferences. We recognize that brands are significant to our customers as they help shape their identities and communities. Many of our customers didn't discover brands in traditional malls; they found them on their devices during lockdowns. This real-life discovery aspect is what we want to embody in our store. We're excited about launching On Rotation with Nike and anticipate collaborating with other brands in various formats across different stores. This initiative is a clear reflection of our commitment to meet customer expectations.

Operator

Thank you. And our next question comes from the line of Ike Boruchow from Wells Fargo. Your question, please.

Speaker 15

Hey, good afternoon. Let me add my congrats. Two from me. First, maybe Frank or Melanie, on the SG&A rate, I believe three months ago, you said you flat for the year. Is that reiterated because you're going to reinvest more or should you expect a little scale given the momentum on the top line? And then just on UO, the turnaround is working. I guess the question is, do you expect this to be linear? Would you expect the comp to take a step back because you battle for margin in a certain quarter? Just kind of curious how you kind of envision this turn playing out over the next 12 months? Thanks.

So I'll take the first part of your question, Ike. As it relates to SG&A for the full year, I would say I am reiterating our guidance that we believe that full year rate of sales could be in line with sales. SG&A rate of sales would grow in line with sales growth. Now by quarter, the relationship between sales and expense growth could be uneven as a result of marketing campaigns and other SG&A expensed actions.

Speaker 8

Yeah, and it's, Shea I can take that answer. I would say that we certainly hope that this is a sequential build. I think what you see in retail is an example of the inflection point coming a bit sooner because of the nature of the price type in that business. In retail, it's a much larger penetration of regular full-price. And so as the full-price business and the health of that business returned a bit sooner because there's a larger penetration of full price. In the digital channel, we have had a larger penetration of discounting and promotional business and as we face those headwinds, it's going to take a bit longer for us to see that inflection point. We think as we get through the second quarter and through the back half of this year, we should see those trends play forward as we have seen in the retail channel.

Operator

Thank you. And our next question comes from the line of Janet Kloppenburg from JJK Research. Your question please.

Speaker 16

Hi, everybody, and congratulations. That's remarkable. Frank or Dick, I think if you reach at the high end of the gross margin guidance, you'll be at pretty much near historic levels on gross margin. So, maybe you could talk a little bit about the opportunity for the historical levels to move higher. And I also wanted to talk about the new occasion businesses at Anthropologie feels very much like what happened at Movement, where the product performed well in the Free People stores, and then it was spun out. And I'm just wondering, is there an opportunity for that to happen at Anthropologie as well? Thanks.

Janet, regarding the gross profit margin, I believe that our historical levels may not be the best benchmark for us. The Urban Outfitters brand has somewhat obscured the significant and consistent improvements occurring at Anthropologie and Free People for quite some time. Our company has effectively reduced our historical markdown rates, which is reflected in the steady mid to high teens operating profit that both Anthropologie and Free People have maintained over the past several years. While I agree that we are close to surpassing those previous levels, I believe we are establishing a new standard that has been somewhat difficult to recognize in the last few years due to Urban's performance. However, we are beginning to see that turnaround take effect.

Speaker 17

Hi, Janet. This is Tricia. Thanks. We're super excited about our new businesses, Celandine and Daily Practice as well as our Lingerie and Sleepwear businesses are all significantly outperforming the total. We don't really have any plans currently to spin off standalone stores, but I think as we continue to grow those brands over time, we'll continue to assess the opportunity. We've had tremendous success with some pop-up location experiences with our Celandine brands. So we'll continue to monitor that over time. But no plans currently. But yes, very pleased with the growth of those brands and what they're contributing to the overall growth of Anthropologie.

Operator

Thank you. And our final question comes from the line of Simeon Siegel from BMO Capital Markets. Your question please.

Speaker 18

Thanks. Hey, good afternoon. Great job, everyone. So the wholesale EBIT margin looks more-and-more attractive, like each quarter. Any thoughts to how large the wholesale business can become and how high is high for the margins for the channel? And then just two quick ones. What's the right way to think about the impact from carrier costs and broader delivery expense going forward? And then I think there was a comment about reduction in packages per order helping gross margin. Could you just elaborate on what that was as well? Thanks, guys.

Speaker 2

I'll take the last ones first and then let Sheila talk about wholesale. Packages per order, yes, we've done a good job at reducing those. I think there's a lot that goes into planning inventory and having it in the right place. So, certainly thanks to logistics team, thanks to Dave and the tech team for supporting that effort. There's a lot of moving pieces behind that and trying to get that right can have a meaningful impact and improvement from a delivery expense perspective. So we've seen some of those benefits and hope that they will continue and I think there's still opportunity to come there. As it relates to carriers, we haven't seen really any challenges right now, as Melanie mentioned, we've been faster. I think inbound has been faster than the brands anticipated, which you've seen in their inventory numbers and the costs have not been a challenge. What happens in the back half of the year as it relates to congestion and maybe a lot of companies bringing stuff in earlier, your guess is as good as mine. It's something that we'll continue to monitor. But we're not experiencing any cost or speed pressures right now, but it's something we'll continue to continue to monitor closely.

We are very pleased with our wholesale sales and profits. Our focus has been on maintaining profitability in this channel by partnering with brands that share our values regarding product care and branding. This strategy is helping us to achieve growth with these brands and maintain a positive outlook. Additionally, while we can't specify the potential size of the wholesale business for Free People and FP Movement, we've successfully introduced some of our new labels through wholesalers we are proud of, including our freest label and the free denim brand. This expansion is exciting for our future as it allows us to reach a broader customer base.

Speaker 2

Thank you. Okay. Well, I think that concludes the session for today. I thank you very much for joining, and I hope to see you in a few months.

Operator

Thank you, ladies and gentlemen, for your participation in today's conference. This does conclude the program. You may now disconnect. Good day.