Good morning ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to Arcosa Inc. Fourth Quarter and Full-Year 2022 Earnings Conference Call. My name is Todd, and I will be your conference call coordinator today. As a reminder, today's call is being recorded. Now, I would like to turn the call over to your host, Erin Drabek, Director of Investor Relations for Arcosa. Ms. Drabek, you may begin.

Good morning everyone and thank you for joining Arcosa's fourth quarter and full-year 2022 earnings call. With me today are Antonio Carrillo, President and CEO; and Gail Peck, CFO. A question-and-answer session will follow their prepared remarks. A copy of yesterday's press release and the slide presentation for this morning's call are posted on our Investor Relations website ir.arcosa.com. A replay of today's call will be available for the next two weeks. Instructions for accessing the replay number are included in the press release. A replay of the webcast will be available for one year on our website under the News and Events tab. Today's comments and presentation slides contain financial measures that have not been prepared in accordance with GAAP. Reconciliations of non-GAAP financial measures to the closest GAAP measure are included in the appendix of the slide presentation. In addition, today's conference call contains forward-looking statements as defined by the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Forward-looking statements are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from such forward-looking statements, please refer to the company's SEC filings for more information on these risks and uncertainties, including the press release we filed yesterday and our Form 10-K, we expect to file later today. I would now like to turn the call over to Antonio.

Thank you, Erin. Good morning and thank you for joining us to discuss our fourth quarter and full-year 2022 results and our outlook for 2023. I will start with a few key messages. Arcosa achieved solid financial performance in the fourth quarter and for 2022, generating strong growth in both revenue and adjusted EBITDA. I am proud of the Arcosa team for successfully navigating a challenging operating environment and delivering financial performance consistent with our guidance. Despite facing persistent inflationary pressures and headwinds in our cyclical businesses, we effectively compensated for them while expanding our growth businesses, both organically and through an acquisition. We also achieved significant strategic progress in 2022. Through the divestiture of our storage tank business, we took another step toward optimizing our asset portfolio and reducing the complexity of our business. With the proceeds from this transaction, we strengthened our balance sheet, enhanced our financial flexibility, and realized significant value for shareholders. For 2022, Arcosa grew revenue and adjusted EBITDA in each of our business segments, underscoring our ability to execute consistently despite challenging market conditions. Within our growth business in construction products and engineered structures, adjusted EBITDA improved by a combined 20%, reflecting proactive pricing actions to offset inflationary pressures. At the same time, our cyclical businesses performed better than we had anticipated, largely due to our focus on managing costs and generating operational efficiencies in a demand constrained environment. Slide 9 summarizes the considerable progress we have achieved in advancing our strategic transformation. Our actions, which have included focused M&A, organic growth initiatives, and asset optimization have enhanced our resiliency and increased our participation in higher growth markets. As a result, Arcosa today is a stronger, more focused company that is better positioned to capitalize on the multiple long-term growth opportunities in front of us. In addition, federal infrastructure spending is expected to provide a multi-year tailwind to many of our businesses. Turning to Slide 11 to review our fourth quarter results. Excluding storage tanks, fourth quarter consolidated adjusted EBITDA increased 13% from the prior year period, outpacing revenue growth and driving a 50 basis point improvement in margins. The improvements in adjusted EBITDA reflect growth in each of our business segments, led by a more than doubling of transportation product EBITDA. Strong organic pricing gains helped compensate for lower volumes in construction products, while engineered structures benefited from elevated steel pricing even as overall segment volumes declined. Looking at full-year results on Slide 12, Arcosa generated revenue of 2.24 billion, an increase of 14%, which met the operating end of our guidance. Adjusted EBITDA was 325 million, up 19% year-over-year, normalizing for the sale of storage tanks and was right in line with the mid-point of our updated guidance range. I will now turn over the call to Gail to discuss our segment performance and then I will return to update you on our 2023 outlook.

Thank you, Antonio. I'll begin on Slide 13 to discuss fourth quarter segment results. In Construction Products, revenues increased 5%, due to accelerated pricing in the quarter, which offset organic volume declines, as well as the addition of RAMCO, the Southern California recycled aggregates producer we acquired in the second quarter of 2022. Revenue growth was split roughly evenly between the organic drivers and the contribution from RAMCO. Wet and extreme cold weather across our footprint along with the continued deceleration in single family residential construction activity were the main headwinds to segment volumes during the quarter. Approximately 45% of segment revenues are Texas sourced and we experienced a 75% increase year-over-year in bad weather days in the state during the quarter. We believe supply chain constraints while abating also had an impact on segment volumes during the quarter. Our disciplined pricing strategies were successful in mitigating ongoing inflationary pressures. In addition, our focus on operational efficiency enabled a 50 basis point reduction in segment SG&A as a percent of revenue. As a result, we reported a 6% increase in segment adjusted EBITDA, slightly ahead of revenue growth with a 20 basis point increase in margin. Higher diesel, process fuels, and cement prices increased segment cost of sales by approximately $8 million or 5% during the quarter. The full-year effect of these cost headwinds was approximately $31 million, reducing segment margins by over 300 basis points in 2022. Turning to natural aggregates, we experienced broad pricing strength across our markets with average organic pricing up more than 20% in the fourth quarter, slightly ahead of volume declines. With a disciplined pricing strategy, we achieved strong unit profitability gains in the fourth quarter in higher year-over-year natural aggregates margin. For the full-year, we had organic pricing growth in the mid-teens positioning us favorably for 2023. On a full-year basis, total volumes increased about 10% with organic volumes down in the high-single digits. In recycled aggregates, total volumes in the quarter benefited from the acquisition of RAMCO, largely attributed to unfavorable weather in Texas, organic volumes in our legacy Dallas and Houston operations declined in the low-double digits. Fourth quarter pricing gains were healthy. Within specialty materials, we continued to see favorable momentum in multi-family residential construction, better fitting our plaster business where average selling prices and volumes were up solidly during the quarter. Our customers' project backlogs remain healthy and the capacity expansion underway at our plaster plant in Oklahoma is scheduled for completion early in the second quarter. Fourth quarter volumes in lightweight aggregates were down slightly, but pricing strength compensated for the decline. Overall, we saw single-digit top-line growth in specialty materials and flat margins year-over-year in the fourth quarter. Finally, our trend shoring business reported an 11% increase in revenues on higher volumes in the fourth quarter. Order inquiry levels were healthy and our customers' CapEx expectations remain supportive for growth in 2023. Moving to engineered structures. Slide 14 shows segment results on an as-reported basis and excluding the effect of storage tanks that were sold on the first business day of the quarter. In connection with the sale, we recognized a pretax gain of $189 million, which has been excluded from adjusted segment EBITDA. Revenues for our utility wind and related structures businesses increased 18%, largely due to elevated steel prices, partially offset by lower volumes. Adjusted EBITDA for these businesses increased 2% even as margins declined, which was primarily due to a change in product mix and production inefficiencies in our utility structures business. We have since resolved these inefficiencies, enabling segment margins to return to more normalized levels in January. During the quarter, our wind towers business performed better than our breakeven expectations, generating positive EBITDA. We are encouraged to receive wind tower orders of $371 million, which extends our backlog with the base level of production into 2025. We ended the year with a combined backlog for utility wind and related structures of $671 million, up 53% from the end of 2021. Turning to Transportation Products on Slide 15, segment revenues were down 4% as increased volume and steel components were offset by lower barge revenues. On a positive note, adjusted segment EBITDA increased and margins expanded to 11.4%, representing the segment's highest quarterly margin in two years. Both our barge and steel components businesses contributed to the margin improvement by managing costs and generating operating efficiencies. Our barge business benefited from improved pricing, despite lower volumes exceeding our expectations for the quarter. We received barge orders of $134 million during the quarter, all for 2023 delivery, which substantially fills our planned production capacity for the year. These orders were primarily for hopper barges. We ended the year with barge backlog of $225 million, up substantially from $93 million at the end of 2021. I'll conclude on Slide 17 with some comments on our cash flow and balance sheet position. We ended the year with net debt-to-adjusted EBITDA of 1.2x, down from 1.8x at the end of the third quarter. During the fourth quarter, we used $155 million of the storage tank proceeds to repay the outstanding borrowings under our revolving credit facility. We started 2023 with an exceptionally strong balance sheet with available liquidity of $635 million and no material debt maturities. In 2022, working capital consumed about $65 million of cash flow, a $15 million increase year-over-year. Working capital came in below our initial expectations at the start of the year, primarily due to inflationary impacts. Capital expenditures in 2022 were $138 million in line with the high end of our annual guidance as we made solid progress on the growth projects underway in construction products and engineered structures. For 2023, we see full-year CapEx of $140 million to $160 million, including $40 million to $50 million for growth CapEx projects. In yesterday's release, we highlighted the $22 million land sale gain that is included in our 2023 guidance range and will be recognized in the first quarter. Although we do not anticipate a sale of this magnitude to repeat in the near term, land sales are a normal part of our construction materials operation. We are pleased to be able to monetize a depleted asset when the timing was right and reinvest the proceeds to help offset gross CapEx. Summing it up, we generated $36 million of free cash flow in 2022, down from last year, primarily due to the $53 million increase in CapEx, largely related to projects that will enhance our long-term growth opportunity. As a reminder, in December, we authorized our $50 million share repurchase program for another two years. Our balance sheet and liquidity strengths are valuable assets and provide considerable financial flexibility for Arcosa during this heightened level of macro uncertainty. I will now turn the call back over to Antonio for more discussion on our 2023 outlook.

Thank you, Gail. Turning to Slide 19. As we look forward, we anticipate 2023 will be an important transition year. Despite macro uncertainty, we expect consistent expansion in our growth business and gradually improving fundamentals in our cyclical business. Normalizing for the sale of storage tanks, we expect 2023 revenue at the midpoint of our guidance to be $2.2 billion, up 7% compared to 2022. Our 2023 adjusted EBITDA forecast at the midpoint of our guidance is $325 million, up 17% compared to 2022. Excluding the positive impact from the land sale Gail noted, we forecast 9% adjusted EBITDA growth at the midpoint of our range. Turning to Slide 20, to review the outlook of our growth businesses. We believe construction products will benefit from continued favorable pricing and healthy highway construction activity aided by infrastructure spending at both the federal and state levels. I would note that the DOT letting activity is now well above the five-year average in many of our key markets, reflecting healthy state budgets and federal funding from the infrastructure and Jobs Act. We also expect to benefit from continued solid demand in multi-family, as well as heavy non-residential construction, which together with the continued demand from the surface transportation sector has the potential to offset weakness in single-family residential volumes. In 2023, we anticipate favorable pricing to continue, particularly in the first half of the year as we benefit from the sharp acceleration in prices in 2022. Although we are not providing volume guidance for 2023, we expect to compensate for any volume softness with higher unit pricing and profitability as we demonstrated in the fourth quarter. We will continue to focus on driving margins higher in 2023. We expect utility structures will have another strong year as electric utilities continue to invest in operating and hardening the electrical grid. Our positive outlook is supported by a high level of backlog visibility in both our utility and traffic structures business. In addition, we anticipate federal infrastructure funding and increased energy capacity needs will boost demand for our products, especially given the growing shift towards electric vehicles and the need to connect renewable energy sources to the grid. Based on customer projected timing, we anticipate utility structures revenue will be more heavily weighted towards the second half of 2023. Our customers' CapEx expectations continue to rise. However, lingering supply chain constraints may affect the timing of projects. Turning to Slide 21, we anticipate 2023 adjusted EBITDA in our cyclical businesses will be slightly ahead of 2022 as rail components and barge continue to move off their cyclical lows. As demonstrated by orders received in the fourth quarter, the fundamentals of our barge and wind tower businesses continue to improve. As a result, we expect to ramp up production capacity in 2023 in anticipation of higher growth in 2024. In barge, we spurred significant customer demand for hopper barges in the fourth quarter by substituting lower-cost hot-rolled coil for plate steel. This innovation delivers significant cost savings for our customers and proves that with reasonable steel prices, the demand for barges is strong. The orders we received are the largest quarterly barge orders in the past two years and have allowed us to fill our production ramp-up schedule for the year. With this production ramp, in 2023, we expect to end the year with higher production capacity to be able to capitalize on the demand we expect in 2024. I am proud of our team's effort to drive innovation and enhance our manufacturing flexibility. As additional steel capacity comes online this year, third-party forecasts project steel prices will come down, which should help convert high-level current inquiries into additional barge orders for delivery in 2024 and beyond. With the average age of the barge fleet at historically high levels, we believe moderation in steel prices will help kick start the long overdue barge fleet replacement cycle. More recently, we're also starting to see significant inquiries for smaller tank barges. Lower steel prices would also help turn those inquiries into orders. As we have noted, the expiration of the PTC at the end of 2021 created a gap in demand for wind towers. With the passage of the Inflation Reduction Act in August, which includes a 10-year extension of the PTC, demand for wind towers is picking up and is expected to stay strong for many years. We expect 2023 to be an important transition year as we build our backlog to drive earnings growth in 2024 and beyond. The renewed strength in wind tower demand can be seen in the backlog we booked in the fourth quarter and the additional orders booked in January. The backlog is scheduled to be delivered in the next three years, with approximately 40% to be delivered in 2023. Although order profitability in 2023 is low, likely leading to a breakeven year for our wind power business, we are preparing for a multi-year recovery. In addition to the PTC, the IRA also includes a new manufacturer's tax credit, which we believe will have a significant positive impact on our wind tower business. Our assumption is that all the backlog we have built for 2023 and beyond will qualify for this tax credit, but we have not included the benefit in our guidance as we await further clarification from the IRS. With strong demand for CMO future and improved economics, we're working with our customers to accelerate our growth in the wind power industry. We expect these efforts will help create significant value for our shareholders. Finally, in our steel components business, market forecasts indicate continued growth in North American railcar deliveries in 2023, although at a more moderate pace following the sharp recovery last year. With railcar deliveries forecasted to increase 10% in 2023, we anticipate steel components will deliver another year of solid growth. Given these positive forward-looking indicators, we expect to continue to build our order backlogs in our cyclical businesses through 2023, setting the stage for accelerated growth in 2024. During 2022, Arcosa remained committed to corporate responsibility through the integration of ESG into our long-term strategy and culture. Our annual sustainability report, which we plan to publish in the next few months, will highlight many accomplishments in 2022 that built on our progress from the prior year. In closing, 2022 was a productive and successful year for Arcosa. Through the divestiture of storage tanks, we monetized a non-core asset to deliver significant value for shareholders while advancing our strategic transformation and despite facing challenging market conditions in our cyclical businesses, we constantly navigated this effectively, generating efficiencies, and delivering solid financial results. Looking ahead, we are entering an exciting period for Arcosa. Our growth businesses remain poised for continued solid performance supported by healthy market fundamentals and a tailwind from federal infrastructure spending. At the same time, we believe our cyclical businesses are on the cusp of entering a strong multi-year upcycle driven by growing market demand for both wind towers and barges. With the strategic actions we have taken over the past several years, Arcosa is entering this exciting period with a strong balance sheet to support the opportunities ahead of us. Now, we would like to open the call for questions.

Thank you. We'll take our first question from Ian Zaffino with Oppenheimer.

Hi, great. Thank you very much. Good quarter. Question would be, Antonio, I know you mentioned on the pricing side on aggregates, you're talking about the strength of pricing in the first half of the year that's just the anniversarying of existing price increases. And if that's the case, are there any more in-store or how do we think about pricing in aggregates into 2023? Thanks.

Ian, good morning. It's Gail. I'll take that and let Antonio add if he has anything further. When we think about pricing, I mentioned in my script on the natural aggregate side pricing gains in the fourth quarter were more than 20%. So, clearly, a lot of pricing momentum. And as you look at how pricing has accelerated through the year, certainly the quarter benefited from the sequential momentum. We did have select price increases in the quarter, so that certainly helped as well. And I think it's important to note too, we have had nice pricing synergies in the acquisitions that we've made. So, all-in-all, that really captured a nice outcome for us in the fourth quarter. And we would expect full-year pricing for us to be mid-teen strength. So, we think that sets up well for 2023. We do have our annual pricing letters in aggregates set. And I think we'll continue to watch the market very closely, but right now, we're planning for annual increases.

To add a little more color Ian, we believe in this uncertain environment with the volumes down in housing and whether we had – there's a lot of uncertainty in the volume. What I think is important is for our investors to understand and the focus of the company this year is going to be on margins. Therefore, the pricing situation is going to be very important, not only in aggregates, but throughout the company. And we've added to our compensation philosophy this year in our short-term incentive to ensure all the business leaders focus on margins.

Okay, thank you. And then just as a follow-up, have you guys quantified what the headwind was and the weather impact was in Texas? How bad was it? And any color you could give there would be helpful.

We didn't put a number on it, Ian, it's a little bit difficult to measure. And with weather, the good thing is, you don't lose the volumes, but we did not put up a precise number on it. I mentioned the step-up certainly in Texas. In other areas of our footprint during the quarter, the freezing temperatures certainly impacted our operations in the Midwest and then the excessive rains in California had an impact on our specialty materials business. It was a meaningful impact. I would say, January, you hate to talk about weather, we certainly had some freezing and ice here in the Dallas area and that had an impact. But I would say when the weather is dry and normal and seasonal, our volumes have been as planned. But to put a dollar impact on it, our volumes were down slightly less than our price increases. So, we did see some significant volume declines in the quarter.

When weather hits Ian, you have several problems. First, you shut down the plant and your cost structure starts escalating. So, it's a pretty significant impact. We also had, as Gail said, in the fourth quarter and December freeze across our operations, we had shutdowns based on natural gas curtailments in several plants, etc. So, it was a pretty significant impact, I would say, in the fourth quarter.

Okay. Thank you very much.

Thank you. Our next question comes from Brent Thielman with D.A. Davidson.

Hey, thank you. Good morning. Congrats on the quarter and year as well. I guess the question just on the, I guess both wind and barge. I mean the order pick-up here is notable. And it seems like I guess in particular, Antonio there's some real momentum in the industry building and the wind side. I know the IRA does a lot for the industry, but I guess I would have thought more of an impact later this year, maybe 2024 in terms of, kind of demand recovery. How would you characterize the levels of interest out there, I guess, on the wind and barge side? And do you feel like we're sort of in a sustained order recovery right now or maybe customers just being opportunistic?

Let me – they're different markets, so let me take one – each one. I’ll start with wind. Wind is a business that's very sensitive to tax credits. And we've seen it go from very strong demand to nothing in periods where the tax rate goes away. The IRA provides long-term visibility, giving you 10 years of visibility, which is crucial for investing in long-term projects. This time, the IRA included tax credits not only for developers but also for turbine manufacturers and power manufacturers, which is a unique situation that improves the economics for wind. However, we're still waiting for the IRS to provide specific rules, which is why I mentioned that I did not include it in our projections and guidance. We expect wind towers will generate significant demand; the fundamentals for a long upcycle are now in place.

Yes. I guess as a follow-up and I appreciate all that. Maybe just back to when, I mean, it seems like a lot of the projects and you can see what the utilities are planning on doing are sort of slated for kind of 2024 and beyond. Should we – and I know quarter-to-quarter, you're going to see some gyration in your backlog and orders. But as we sort of get towards and considering all that and what you're seeing out there as we get towards the end of the year, do you anticipate that wind backlog to be even higher?

Yes. I think we – you should expect our wind backlog to be higher before the end of the year. To be honest, I was surprised how fast the industry started, let's say giving us orders. I always expected the projects to take longer for them to start turning into actual orders for us, and it's accelerating fast. So, I do think we don't have anything at the moment, but I do think that you should expect us to have a higher backlog or to receive more orders, let's put it that way throughout this year.

Okay. Thank you. I'll pass it on.

Thank you. Our next question comes from Trey Grooms with Stephens.

Hey, good morning everyone and I have to say congrats on the nice quarter.

Thank you.

Antonio, you pointed out that the focus of the company this year will be on margin. And you mentioned pricing clearly, but can you talk about some of the other levers that you can pull to improve margin and as you look across the segments where you see the most opportunity on the margin front this year?

Sure. Margin is a combination of your pricing and your costs and so of course pricing is going to be important. Ideally, we should be able to compensate for inflationary pressures that are present. At the same time, as a company, we've always been focused on costs. As you've seen, when we have very cyclical businesses, they go down in a very steep way and we've always been focused on that. You saw the construction segment having a tough quarter with weather and everything and focusing on their costs on their SG&A as well. So, I would say the efforts are pricing cost at the planned level and business level. And even at the corporate level, we've included SG&A as part of our compensation. So, we're going to focus on the costs across the company. So, on the business, I think the businesses that are ramping up that have come from very low cyclical times will see an improvement in margins. Once they get going, operational leverage can be fast and the return on capital is incredible in those businesses.

All right. Thanks for that Antonio. Super helpful. And then Gail, sorry if I missed it, but what are you targeting for CapEx this year, and any color on the free cash generation this year ex the gain of the sale and land?

Sure. Yes, I did in my comments Trey give the CapEx guidance for the year. So, we're looking at $140 million to $160 million in CapEx. We'll get some offset to that from the $20 million give or take proceeds from the large land sale that we have in the first quarter in construction. So, let's call it $120 million to $140 million net of that. We've got about $40 million to $50 million of growth CapEx included in that. I'd say the most significant of that is the continuation of our concrete pool that we have going in Florida in our utility structures business, as well as finishing out our greenfields in aggregates and looking at ways to increase efficiency in slight capacity adds within our utility structures business. And as a reminder, Trey, we finished 2022 at $138 million of CapEx. So, looking at free cash flow for the year, you have our EBITDA guidance, if I kind of just start at the midpoint there at $325 million, net-off $130 million of CapEx at the midpoint after the land sale, throw in interest, you're somewhere around $165 million, maybe after tax, and then I think the question mark is really on working capital. Working capital came in below our expectations. We're very focused on managing that, as inflationary impacts had certainly impacted 2022. We ended with our ARR a little bit higher at the end of the year. So, I think we'll have a good cash flow year. I think working capital neutral to a use is where we're going to come out. We were about 20% of revenue in 2022, so if we keep that clip and we want to do better that could be about a $40 million drain next year. So, you sum all that up free cash flow in the $100 million range.

And let me just add something because I think it's important to understand at this stage where we are. The good news is we have a lot of organic projects going on. Every time we allocate capital, we go through the exercise of where's the best use of our capital. The returns on organic growth are far greater than acquisitions at the moment. We have a lot of projects on the drawing board. The second piece is that as we think about our cyclical businesses recovering, they consume working capital because we are buying inventory, generating AR, etc. So, it should also be good news that we are growing the businesses. They might consume some working capital, but it's basically good news.

Yes. All makes sense. Thanks for all the great detail. I'll pass it on. Thank you.

Thank you. Our next question comes from Garik Shmois with Loop Capital Markets.

Great. Thanks for having us, and congrats on the quarter. I was wondering if you could speak a little bit more on aggregates and volumes and different moving pieces. It sounds like you're expecting infrastructure in non-res to mostly offset new residential declines. You also have some weather here. It sounds like in the first quarter, maybe if you could just flush out how you expect on the shape of the year to look. Would you expect volumes to be a little bit more back half weighted just given the timing of infrastructure? Just any more clarity on aggregates volumes would be helpful.

I'll take that one. It’s Gail. Yes, clearly we've had deceleration in single-family and that continued in the fourth quarter. You look at key markets and housing starts and you've seen some momentum in year-over-year declines in the back half relative to the first half of the year, which has had an impact. Importantly, we've had success in the quarter transitioning our volumes from single family into infrastructure and commercial non-res. There's good success going on there, and we're seeing a pickup in the bidding for infrastructure projects. We've shared some color on the strength in our key markets compared to the five-year averages. So, all of that points to the potential for these volumes to compensate for single-family. As for the trajectory for 2023, we probably have more comp challenges in the first half of the year than we would in the second half, which tracks well with our expectation that we would see infrastructure volumes continue to sequentially pick up this year.

Thank you for that. I'm wanting to follow-up on the capacity ramp in the cyclical side of the business. I'm curious, are you adding capacity for the current increase in backlog or are you anticipating the capacity to service an increase from here in the backlogs as well? And also, just from a timing standpoint, would you anticipate that your capacity ramp would be complete by the end of 2023?

It's a complex question because, so I'll give you the status of our plants. Let's start with wind. We have three plants at the moment. One is shut down, and that plant is not planned in this ramp up capacity. So, we're only ramping up the plants that are operational. There's not a lot of CapEx, it's a relatively easy ramp-up. It's not something that we are going to have to invest a lot of money into. So, this ramp up is like many of the ones we've made before. With the current orders, we are full for that ramp up. We are going to be ramping up and there is a little more capacity we could extract this year, not a lot, but there is a little more that we could extract if we get the orders in time. As time goes by that window shrinks. What I think is important is as we ramp up, we should end the year in those two plants in a good position to be able to continue to ramp up. There is more capacity that we could ramp for 2024 and 2025. So, it is a trend that we expect to start picking up and depending on the orders we receive, if we receive more orders, we can accelerate the ramp up.

Okay. That’s helpful. Thanks for that. And I’ll pass it on.

Thank you. Our next question comes from Julio Romero with Sidoti & Company.

Hey, good morning, Antonio and Gail.

Good morning.

So, I wanted to ask about the barge business and you guys substituting hot-rolled coil for plate steel. I guess why hasn't Arcosa or other industry players done that in the past? What are the pros and cons of the substitution for the end customer? And does the margin profile or profit profile change for Arcosa by doing that?

Thank you, Julio. It's a really good question. We have never done it before. This is for hopper barges, and we have only done it for hopper barges. The difference between coil and plate is somewhere between $100 and $150 depending on the time. The numbers are tight, which is why it has never made a lot of sense to put a lot of money and time behind this. When the pandemic hit, steel prices decreased, and then they became volatile. 2022 was historically the year of most volatility in steel prices. Plate prices remained high at $2,000, whereas coil prices started falling fast in the second or third quarter of last year. By September, the gap between these two prices became enormous—almost $1,000. Hence, we set our team in barge to start redesigning the barges to take advantage of that. Customers liked our new barge design, leading to orders. It allows for flexibility in production based on steel prices, providing us negotiating strength with our steel suppliers.

Got it. Appreciate all the color there. Maybe turning to the steel components business. You guys sounded overall positive on the demand outlook there in 2023. Is that affected at all by what's going on with the East Palestine derailment and any safety concerns within the industry? Just trying to think if there's any impact at all for Arcosa?

We don't see it at the moment. We only make axles and couplers. We don't anticipate any significant impact based on this specific situation, but this situation is very fluid, and changes happen every day. So, I don't know what regulatory changes could happen. As of now, we are optimistic about it. We mentioned that the ramp for 2023 is not as sharp as it was in 2022, but we are seeing significant operational leverage in our business.

Really helpful. Thanks very much for taking the questions.

Thank you. Our next question comes from Stefanos Crist with CJS Securities.

Good morning. Thanks for taking my questions. Can you just talk about the customer dynamics in the large orders for barge and wind? Were there large orders in those or multiple customers across? Thank you.

Let me start with barge. For barges, we have multiple customers. So, we received a good list of customers, not only the ones we received orders from, but the inquiries we're receiving. It's a wide variety of customers. On wind, as you know, it's a much shorter list of companies that build wind towers. At the moment, we only have one customer. The order was basically with one customer, but we do have quotes out there with another two companies. You should expect a much wider concentration in wind. The majority of customers are inquiring about additional orders.

That's great. Thank you. And then just on M&A, can you just talk about what you're seeing in the market right now, multiples, just opportunities? Thanks.

Sure. We are seeing opportunities. We have many bolt-on opportunities, small things here and there, mainly in the aggregate side. We like to build hubs, large hubs in certain regions, for example, in Arizona, where we bought, and then we look for bolt-ons around it. We're seeing smaller bolt-ons in many of our regions. Multiples on the smaller side are reasonable. Larger ones continue to be too high. Although we have a strong balance sheet, we're going to stay disciplined and continue to measure the return on capital on each project. At the moment, organic ones seem to be better options for us to allocate capital. We will do M&A, mainly bolt-ons, as exemplified by the recent small bolt-on in recycled aggregates.

Thank you.

Thank you. At this time, I show no further questions in queue. I'll turn the call back over to Erin Drabek for any additional or closing remarks.

Thank you for joining us this morning for our fourth quarter and full-year earnings call. We look forward to talking to you again next quarter.

This concludes today's call. Thank you for your participation. You may disconnect at any time.