Speaker 2
Good day, and thank you for standing by. Welcome to the Q2 2026 Legion's Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. After the speaker's presentation, there will be a question and answer session. To ask a question during the session, you will need to press star 11 on your telephone. You will then hear an automated message advising your hand is raised. To withdraw your question, please press star 11 again. Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. I would now like to hand the conference over to your speaker today, Son Van, Vice President of Investor Relations. Please go ahead.
Thanks, Daniel, and good morning, everyone. Welcome to Legion's second quarter 2026 earnings call. With me today are Jeff Sproul, Chief Executive Officer, Stephen Butts, Chief Financial Officer, and Steve Hansen, Chief Operating Officer. This morning, we issued a press release that covers our second quarter 2026 financial results and posted a presentation that accompanies the earnings release. All materials can be found on the investor relations section of the company's website, wearelegions.com. Before we begin, I want to remind you that comments made during this call contain certain forward-looking statements and are subject to risk and uncertainties, including those identified in our risk factors contained in our SEC filings. Our actual results could differ materially and we undertake no obligations to update any such forward-looking statements. During this call, we will refer to certain non-GAAP financial measures which should not be considered in isolation from or as a substitute for measures prepared in accordance with generally accepted accounting principles. Please refer to our quarterly earnings presentation for reconciliations of these non-GAAP measures to the most directly comparable GAAP measures. With that, let me turn the call over to Jeff.
Thank you, Sun, and thanks everyone for joining today to discuss our second quarter performance and current outlook for legions as we have talked about on our past earnings calls the demand environment for mission critical building systems continues to be robust this strength is evident in the exceptional growth in both our record revenue and backlog excluding the impact of acquisitions organic revenue growth was nearly 60 percent while backlog and awards grew organically by over 35 percent year-over-year. And when we include acquisitions, revenue more than doubled with similar growth in total backlog. As you would expect, the data center and technology end market led this growth. Recent discussions with our data center clients suggest continued risk demand over the next several years. These discussions suggest no change in the pace of activity from what was discussed at the beginning of the year and in some cases speed to market has actually accelerated within the data centers and technology and market it's worth noting that this sector also includes semiconductors an area where we're also experiencing solid revenue growth our growth extends to other core markets as well including life science and health care, education, and state and local government, all of which are experiencing solid high single to double-digit organic revenue growth year-to-date. Also worth noting is our activity level in manufacturing, which is embedded in our other end market category. While this end market represents less than 3% of our overall revenue base, it is experiencing very strong revenue growth and is now about equal to the size of our mixed-use market. We expect reshoring to favorably impact our manufacturing end market in the coming years. As I mentioned before, I really like our exposure to diverse end markets, understanding that growth rates between markets can ebb and flow. By intentionally focusing on attractive, higher-growth, target-rich sectors that align well with our mission-critical services, this diversity can offset, to a degree, some of the volatility of each market. We, of course, value every client relationship and strive to deliver exceptional outcomes on every project. This customer-first philosophy has served us well for decades and, in some cases, over a century and is the foundation of the reputation, trust, and longstanding partnerships that we've built across our broad client base. On our quarterly results, Stephen will go into greater detail, but at a high level, total revenue of $1.3 billion increased by 111% year-over-year, and over half of this growth was organic. In a similar fashion, adjusted EBITDA grew by 114% year-over-year. Adjusted EBITDA margins expanded by almost 90 basis points sequentially. Total backlog in awards end of the quarter at a record $5.7 billion, up 105% year-over-year and 5% sequentially. We saw strong growth in backlog in both segments. Notably, our engineering segment backlog grew by 27% year-over-year and 11% sequentially, mostly on an organic basis. our consolidated book to bill ratio for the three months ended june 2026 was 1.2 times book to bill over the last 12 months was 1.4 times as our markets evolve particularly the data centers and technology market the award sizes have grown quite significantly in fact it's not uncommon these days for some of the larger bookings to exceed 100 million dollars These bookings can come in waves, with some of the large projects burning pretty quickly. All of these factors can create some volatility in our quarterly net bookings and book-to-bill ratio, which is why we like to also look at the book-to-bill ratio over a 12-month period. Overall, we feel confident in our ability to continue to grow total backlog as the year progresses, based on what we see in our opportunity pipeline. Our confidence in the future is also reflected in our revised guidance for full year 2026, which Stephen will walk you through shortly. To support the execution of our growing backlog, we continue to grow and invest in our workforce. Total employee headcount is now close to 11,000 at the end of July, including approximately 8,000 skilled technicians and craftspeople. As demand for our services continues to grow, we expect to further expand our labor force. Combined with our continuous efforts to drive operational efficiencies, optimize workforce scheduling, and stay selective on our project pursuit, these efforts position us to better serve our customers going forward. Our fabrication footprint is a big part of our efficiency efforts. during the second quarter we grew our fabrication capacity by about 200,000 square feet putting our current capacity at 1.5 million square feet and we expect to add another hundred thousand within the next couple weeks and are looking at opportunities to expand even further there are a lot of efficiencies that we can implement in our square footage through the use of advanced tooling automation optimization of floor spacing and flexibility with labor shifts among other levers I should also note that the capacity expansion is based on existing demand that we see in our backlog when adding this incremental capacity with the organic expansion that we've completed over the past year and the capacity that came with Bowers we will have grown our fabrication capacity by over a million square feet across our key geographies our third-party fabrication demand continues to be concentrated on data center and to a lesser extent pharmaceutical clients more recently we've seen increased demand from semiconductors and memory chip clients before handing the call to Steven I want to point out the continued improvement to our net leverage During our IPO process, we heard from the investment community about the importance of having a strong balance sheet and, as a result, prioritize the entire IPO proceeds toward debt reduction. This allowed us to exit the IPO at three times net leverage last September. In just three quarters, we've essentially cut our financial leverage in half, with pro forma net leverage now standing at 1.5 times. This reduction was achieved during a period when Legions completed our largest acquisition in company history, namely Bowers, in the DMV. And at 1.5 times net leverage, we're in a great financial position to pursue other attractive, impactful acquisition opportunities that meet our strategic and financial objectives. Our M&A pipeline has never been as active as it is today, and of course, we'll be disciplined with our evaluation of these opportunities.
With that, let me turn the call over to Stephen. Thank you, Jeff, and good morning, everyone. I'll begin with a review of second quarter 2026 results in comparison to second quarter of 2025. Following my review of our historical results, I'll provide a brief update on our current guidance and discuss our balance sheet and liquidity position before turning the call back to Jeff. Starting with the second quarter of 2026, we generated revenue of $1,262,000,000, an increase of $663,000,000, or 111% from the year-ago quarter. The Bowers Group acquisition contributed approximately $300 million of revenue. Excluding Bowers, our revenues grew by nearly 60% year-over-year. Looking at our latest quarterly revenue growth at the segment level, starting with engineering and consulting, segment revenue increased by 6% to $207 million, which was mostly organic. Program and project management service revenues grew by 17%, with particularly strong growth in state and local government as we're working on several large projects in Washington, D.C., South Carolina, Colorado, and Minnesota. We also saw strength in data centers and technology. Engineering and design revenues declined by 4%, with the decrease mainly attributable to soft demand from our sustainability consulting services for mixed-use clients, primarily large owners of commercial real estate. Our sustainability consulting businesses experienced softer market conditions over the past several quarters, reflecting both broader challenges across the commercial real estate sector and evolving client demand for these services. Because impairment testing reflects our longer-term forecast, but the near term is often underpinned by customer contracts, the downward trend we've seen in backlog for those services was a key consideration and led to our decision to impair goodwill and other intangibles for this business during the second quarter. We still have conviction in the long-term value that our sustainability consulting services can deliver to clients, particularly in an environment with rising energy costs. Turning now to our larger installation and maintenance segment, segment revenue of $1 billion and $55 million increased by 162% versus the year-ago quarter. Over half of the segment's revenue growth was organic, while the remainder was largely attributable to the addition of Bowers. Installation and fabrication services drove the majority of the segment growth, increasing by 189% year-over-year, due to both strong organic growth and, again, a meaningful contribution from Bowers. With respect to the organic growth, data center and technology was a key driver. But our other core markets, such as life science and health care and education, also saw solid organic growth in the low to mid-teens. And state and local government growth was also very strong, though from a lower base. Maintenance and service revenue increased by 58% year over year. Excluding the impact of Bowers, this service line delivered organic growth of nearly 20%. The high growth rate was spread across essentially all of our end markets, with the exception of mixed use. Turning to reported gross profit, consolidated gross profit for the second quarter 2026 increased by 71% to approximately $220 million. Similar to our prior quarterly results, reported gross profit includes stock-based and other compensation expense related to legacy profit interest units, where the payment of which is entirely borne by entities outside of Legion's Corp., essentially the legacy pre-IPO shareholders. As a reminder, the settlement of legacy profit interest expense does not impact Legion's Corp. either in the form of cash outlay or the issuance of additional common shares. Because these profit interest units are marked to market, any significant change to our share price will have a material impact on this expense, as it did in the second quarter. Excluding the impact of profit interest and related expense, adjusted gross profit on a consolidated basis totals approximately $234 million. An adjusted gross margin was 18.5% for the second quarter 2026, compared to approximately $130 million and 21.8% in the second quarter, 2025. The decrease in adjusted gross margin was primarily driven by the combined impact of a shift in revenue mix to our installation and maintenance segment, reflecting the addition of Bowers and the segment's higher growth rate, as well as somewhat lower adjusted gross margin within the engineering and consulting segment. Looking into margins at the segment level, second quarter 2026 engineering and consulting adjusted gross margin was 31.1% down from 33.2% in the second quarter 2025. The adjusted gross margin decline largely reflects a revenue mix shift toward the program and project management service line, which accounted for 51% of segment revenue compared to 46% in the year-ago quarter. The installation and maintenance segment generated an adjusted gross profit margin of 16.1%, essentially in line with 16.2% reported in the year-ago quarter. As you would expect, there are a lot of moving parts that take us to that flat level year over year in the I&M segment. But to name a few, we saw a mixed shift toward the installation and fabrication service line at the expense of the higher margin maintenance and service line, but our overall mix of fabrication-only work within the installation and fabrication service line increased year over year. Turning to SG&A, this expense includes approximately $59 million of stock-based and non-cash compensation expense, the vast majority of which, almost $54 million, was related to the legacy profit interest that is paid for by entities outside of Allegiance Corp. Excluding the impact of stock-based compensation expense, as well as approximately $2 million of acquisition and strategic initiative expenses, our adjusted SG&A expense was $87 million, up from $62 million in the year-ago quarter. This increase was primarily driven by the addition of Bauer's and higher general headcount to support our strong growth. More importantly, though, adjusted SG&A as a percentage of revenue improved significantly to 6.9 percent, down from 10.3 percent in the year-ago quarter, as we benefit from greater economies of scale. All in all, we generated adjusted EBITDA of $155 million in the second quarter of 2026, an increase of 114% from second quarter 2025 levels. Adjusted EBITDA margin for the second quarter of 2026 improved by almost 20 basis points to 12.2% when compared to the year-ago quarter. However, given the sequential comparison to first quarter 2026 adjusted EBITDA margins includes Bowers, we believe this is probably a more relevant comparison and yields an almost 90 basis point improvement. Depreciation and amortization totaled 44 million in the second quarter 2026, up from 29 million in the year-ago quarter, with the increase largely due to the incremental depreciation and amortization to stem from the Bower's acquisition. Interest expense net of income was $15 million for the second quarter of 2026 and declined by almost $15 million from a year ago, primarily due to lower average debt balance and average interest rates than the year ago period. Turning to income tax, though we reported a pre-tax loss for the second quarter 2026, we recorded income tax expense of $11 million due to the non-deductible nature of various items, primarily the legacy profit interest expense. As a result, on a reported basis, the effective tax rate for the quarter isn't all that meaningful. This dynamic is expected to continue through 2026 and into 2027 to some degree. Excluding the impact of these material non-recurring and non-cash items, the normalized effective tax rate would be closer to the high 20 to low 30 percent range, which we would expect to gravitate towards over time. Regarding cash taxes, our current estimate for 2026 is in the mid-$50 million range. This is an increase from our prior estimate based on our revised profit outlook and states where our revised profit outlook originates from. Aside from our cash tax payments, we continue to expect to make a TRA payment of around $8 to $9 million related to our 2025 operating activity, likely in early 2027. Our TRA payment related to estimated 2026 activity is expected to total between 25 and the low 30 million dollar range. And this payment is likely to occur in early 2028. To the extent we have additional share exchanges, this could slightly reduce our cash tax payments while increasing our TRA payments by 85% of the reduction in cash tax. So the net difference for legions is a 15% reduction in cash outflow. Now switching gears to backlog. We ended June with consolidated backlog and awards of $5.7 billion, up 105% from year-ago levels. Compared to the first quarter of 2026, backlog and awards grew by approximately $289 million, translating to a book-to-build for the second quarter of 1.2 times. Considering that our bookings tend to fluctuate due to the growing size of our project awards, viewing book-to-bill over a longer time horizon is also important. To that end, our last 12 months' book-to-bill ratio was 1.4 times. In either case, these are fairly solid ratios, especially when taking into account our particularly strong quarterly revenue realization. In terms of our organic growth and backlog in awards, the data center and technology and market remains the primary driver. However, we are seeing healthy growth in state and local government, education, and manufacturing clients. Now turning to our guidance. We are establishing third-quarter 2026 guidance for consolidated revenue of between $1.225 and $1.275 billion, and adjusted EBITDA of between $150 and $160 million. For full year 2026, we're increasing our revenue guidance to a range of $4.7 to $4.8 billion. At the midpoint, this is increased by 13 from our previous guidance range of $4.1 to $4.3 billion that we presented during our first quarter report in mid-May. We're also raising our full year 2026 EBITDA guidance range by about 20% from prior guidance to $565 to $585 million, up from $470 to $490 million, again just three months ago. While part of our full year guidance increase is to account for our second quarter outperformance relative to guidance, it's more of a reflection on our growing backlog, current expectations on project timing, and a continuation of the strong execution that we've experienced in recent quarters. Now, just a few additional housekeeping items to support your modeling efforts. Interest expense, net of interest income for the second half of the year is expected to average approximately $15 million per quarter. Depreciation and amortization for the third quarter is expected to be similar to second quarter levels of $44 million. In terms of capital spending for the second half of 2026, we currently expect to spend between $40 and $45 million. This represents an increase to our prior full-year guidance by $15 to $20 million, largely reflecting additional spending related to incremental fabrication capacity expansion that Jeff discussed earlier to outfit the new space, including cranes and advanced tooling, as well as additional spend on existing facilities. Our current capital spending forecast remains within 2 percent of expected revenue for the year, consistent with our historical spending levels for growth and maintenance capex. Now turning to our balance sheet, liquidity and leverage. We ended the second quarter with 292 million of cash, up from 245 million at the end of the first quarter. Total liquidity was 461 million at quarter end, compared to 414 million at the end of the first quarter. Total debt at the end of June was slightly over a billion dollars, approximately flat from the end of the first quarter. Based on Proforma last 12-month EBITDA, which would include Proforma EBITDA from Bowers during the second half of 2025, our Proforma net leverage ratio is now 1.5 times, which is about half the level that we were after our IPO last September. During the quarter, we further lowered our debt costs with the repricing of our term loan. That repricing lowered our interest costs by 25 basis points at the outset. In early June, we received a credit rating upgrade from Standard & Poor's from B-plus to BB-minus, as well as from Moody's from B-1 to BA-3. With our credit rating upgrade, the loan pricing will step down by an additional 25 basis points to SOFR plus 175. That concludes my remarks, and now I'll turn the call back to Jeff.
Thanks, Stephen. In closing, and before we get to the Q&A, I want to thank our entire team at Legions. Your commitment to safely serving our customers every single day makes it possible to deliver the incredible results that we are reporting today. Operationally, we continue to experience very robust organic growth across our diverse end markets and service lines. Backlog continues to grow to record levels, and we're leveraging our growing scale and national footprint to deliver higher EBITDA margins. We expect these trends to continue, and I'm really excited. We'll now open the call up to your questions. Operator?
Speaker 2
As a reminder, to ask a question, please press star 11 on your telephone and wait for your name to be announced. To withdraw your question, please press star 11 again. In the interest of time, we ask that you please limit yourself to one question and one follow. Please stand by while we compile the Q&A roster. Our first question comes from Adam Bubes with Golden Sacks. Your line is open.
Hi, good morning. Morning. Good morning. Nice to see the sequential bookings acceleration in the quarter, I think, to about 1.5 billion in bookings. Can you just give us a sense of the size of the largest projects you're putting in backlog this quarter and makeup of data center customers, whether hyperscalers or co-locators? And how are you thinking about the bookings trajectory in the balance of the year?
Yeah, we've had some really strong bookings in the data center, specifically in some TFO projects, which follow after base builds. You know, they're ranging in anywhere from the $175 million range to between $200 million range there, as well as in our off-site manufacturing, third-party manufacturing. We've had some solid bookings there as well. And the trend, our pipeline that we don't report on is strong now, and we feel like that trend will continue to be on a...
And then can you just update us on a high-level breakdown on your key data center regions today? And to what extent are your crews traveling? And do you expect travel to increase as data center developments shift towards more rural markets?
Yeah, today, boots on the ground. California, Phoenix, and the DMV are three major locations. that we are performing installation work.
Our fabrication has begun to travel via our adjacent business in New Mexico and are serving a handful of customers in that.
Speaker 2
Great. Thanks so much.
Speaker 2
Thank you. Our next question comes from Julian DeMullen-Smith with Jeffries.
Yeah, kudos. I've got to echo that last comment. Nice acceleration all around here. Jeff and team, look, if I can ask just to lead off with this, um bookings trend how do you think about 27 you've obviously started um the continued this year fabulously uh put up even better results it looks like the order book is accelerating here quarter over quarter i just want to get a little bit of your commentary you said it even at the end in your concluding comments that you're seeing an acceleration here how is this portend into the next year i just want to make sure i'm hearing you very clearly because obviously the near-term results are translating very squarely so you want to hear how it extends here and sort of the duration if maybe if i were to like zero and one aspect of this can you compound off these elevated levels in the same confidence yeah you know it's really i i use the word momentum the
momentum continues to increase julian and it's it's remarkable and i think it's it's a function of of course amazing uh demand drivers it's also a function of the fact that these projects are getting bigger and as you are well aware only certain companies are positioned to to to accommodate those larger projects you need to have lots of employees you need to have lots of square footage and most importantly you have to have the technical expertise and the relationships to be able to capitalize and so we're just seeing it continuing to go to go up and up and to the right and i think the fact that we're not a one trick pony in terms of just doing one service line, we do all service lines, and we do it for many, many customers. And so when you have that sort of, I guess, diversity of capability and diversity of customer, and you have an amazing market backdrop, that turns into momentum, and that's what we're seeing. And I don't see if you have anything to add to that. Well said.
I think the diversity in our end markets helps to mention it, the manufacturing end market.
Excellent. If I can zero in a little bit more on this, I mean, If you can speak a little bit more specifically to the working capital needs, as you think about that as maybe an offset here, just as the business accelerates. And then related modular capacity expansion, you know, how large does your capacity need to be to adequately serve, right? Just if you can kind of speak into, like, how you accommodate this accelerating outlook as well in terms of the different pieces of this.
Yeah, Julian, good question. On working capital, as you'll probably recall, at the time we went public, we said that we could drive some improvements in working capital management. And I think you saw that the first few quarters out of the box where we even generated cash from working capital despite really strong revenue growth. We're probably now much closer to what I'd call normalized levels. This quarter, it was a modest use of cash. You know, I'd expect with revenue growth that to continue to be the case generally. It's always hard to call quarter-to-quarter because of the lumpiness of a balance sheet type metric like that. But I think that, you know, most of the improvements, you know, have already been driven through. That said, working on customized fabrication, you know, modules, we tend to generate higher levels of prepayment than we do for our other services. So to the extent that continues to increase in our mix, that could be a positive.
And then from a fabrication square footage, Julian, you know, we're sitting at 1.5 million square feet today. We have capacity for growth with that number now, and we can pull several levers within that footprint, right? We can add multiple shifts, you know, more days on continue to grow. We look to add about another 100,000 square feet here in the coming weeks to that number. And we'll monitor our incoming requests.
Awesome, guys. Nicely done. Yeah, kudos.
Speaker 2
Thank you. Our next question comes from Chad Dillard with Bernstein. Your line is open.
Hey, good morning, guys. I was hoping you could talk about – hey, good morning. I was hoping you could talk about your gross margins and backlog. What are they today? And can you bridge it to the gross margins that you have in your current P&L?
Yeah, our gross margins and backlog are generally similar, you know, to what our recent realizations are. You know, we haven't seen a dramatic change in pricing across the service lines versus, to say what we would have reported this quarter or even last, if that answers your question. Of course, there's always changes in mix, like what's in the backlog, but for the underlying services and service lines, similar levels of margin.
Okay. Yeah, that's helpful. And so as you look forward over the next couple of years, what share of your revenues do you think will be on, like, the modular and prefab side? And how do you put that in the context of your margin potential for just a broader business?
Yeah, great question. You know, we did see, as you recall, you know, really a ramp in our mix of fab-only type work, particularly in the second and third, fourth quarter of 2025. It's been at a relatively similar percentage the last three quarters When we think about our overall I&M revenue, it's been in the low 20% range the last three quarters now. And, you know, while we're experiencing really nice growth in that fab-only work, we're also winning, you know, large, large installation jobs. You know, and so both have been growing at a pretty similar rate. I'll hand it to Jeff or Steve in terms of the outlook for both of those.
But, yeah, from a manufacturing, third-party manufacturing, solid outlook, lots of inbound stuff, and, you know, as we continue to see large projects built in more rural areas where there's just not a lot of resources there, we expect to see that continue. And to Stephen's point, the large installation projects that are inbound and continuing to get booked and run into our pipeline.
Speaker 2
Thank you. Our next question comes from Brian Brophy with Stiefel. Your line is open.
Yeah, thanks. Good morning, everybody. Thanks for taking the question. Just continuing the conversation on some of the regional areas where you have data center exposure, are you experiencing any notable difference in demand trends by region and particularly curious on DMV relative to other areas?
Yeah, I'll start, Brian, and I'll hand it over to Steve. You know, I think any changes that we've seen probably happened a couple of quarters ago when we started to see data centers get placed in more rural parts of the country, you know, call it middle America, which really changed the ship to address on our fabrication work. And so now we are shipping to, you know, the Iowas of the world, the islanders of the world, and the Ohioas of the world. That we obviously didn't see a couple of years ago. And so I think that's a notable difference. Now, within sort of the sort of primary markets, they are still, the DMV is still data center alley. You know, Arizona are still humongous. And in plus months, the top three.
And, you know, the Phoenix market.
That's very helpful. And then just maybe touching on the demand environment you're seeing on the semi-fab side, did you book anything notable in the quarter? and just general thoughts on the outlook there. Thanks.
Yeah, semiconductor and getting stronger, becoming demand for semiconductor clients.
Speaker 2
Our next question comes from Joseph Osho of Guggenheim Partners. Your line is open.
Hi, thanks for taking my question. I was going to ask about semiconductors as well. I want to drill down on that a bit. If you look at Intel and TSMC down in Arizona and Micron up in New York, I mean, the numbers are pretty substantial, but perhaps the four spaces is not quite the same. So I guess I'm curious, looking a few years out, can we imagine this segment maybe becoming as large for you as data centers, or am I being overly optimistic there? And then I have a follow-up.
Yeah, and Steve alluded to the fact that we did have nice revenue growth in semiconductors, you know, the contribution this quarter. I mean, it was stellar, over 50% growth. That said, that, of course, even pales to what we're seeing in the data center space. Over time, though, I mean, the outlook is certainly good for semiconductors, but tough to...
Yeah, I would say, and you hit on some of the key players that are, Intel is one of our main clients in the Bay Area and other places and you know the TMC Phoenix market is super competitive in in that region right there for the semiconductor stuff but we are seeing in in memory and chip production yeah and just to pile on here you know the characteristics required for success in the semiconductor and the memory space are the same characteristics you need for success and data centers they're complex systems they're really really big they're custom but they're high
volume um and you have to be in that space and we grew up in the semiconductor space we grew up in the biotech space and we grew up in the data center space so we we love to see those those announcements uh because they that's going to fit thanks and then just as a follow-up we're starting to see some construction uh some some conversation following the 232 ruling on larger scale investments in sell, wafer, and ingot capacity onshore in the U.S., I mean, notably that Tesla announcement the other day. I'm curious, is that a market that is of interest to you all? Thank you.
You know, I'd say, Joe, that's, you know, certainly we're interested in our large clients and, you know, what drives their demand, but I wouldn't say there's an outsized reliance upon or attractiveness to that sort of, I guess, evolution or volatility, for lack of a better term.
Speaker 2
Thank you. Our next question comes from Sabahat Khan with RBC Capital Markets. Your line is open.
Great. Thanks and good morning. I just wanted to talk a little bit about the sort of the non-semis, non-data center manufacturing side that you called up, more on the industrial side. Can you maybe just talk about some of the silos where you are seeing some of that reshoring activity? You know, there's some folks out there saying they're not really seeing it in their business lines. Maybe if you can talk about which end markets you're seeing that in, you know, kind of the opportunity set. Are you doing kind of the same type of work? You're providing some of the technology customers. Just a little bit more color on that opportunity.
Yeah, so I think it's still kind of in early stages, and we expect to see that grow over coming years. currently places like Tesla SpaceX for us are great clients and we're seeing growth with them they're going to continue to build and inbound we've got a great engineering relationship with them as well as the installation so from both sides of our business will benefit from that yeah and you know it's it's interesting from a terminology perspective obviously GLP one drugs on the pharma side are huge where we have some great clients that we're helping them out in that regard.
Now, is that reshoring or onshoring or just starting from scratch? I'm not sure. But again, those same characteristics, highly complex. You need engineering chops to be able to pull it off. You need the relationships. You need to have a resume. You got to prove that you can do it. And so we, as Steve mentioned in this baseball season, feels early innings on the reshoring perspective.
Great. And then just in terms of my follow-up, it looks like sort of the $5.67 billion number here is about 60% in the data center and technology space. A round number is almost double the mix of last year. Do you have sort of a threshold in mind for the right mix of this business or a lot of opportunities there you'll capitalize on it and go from there? Just trying to think about how you think about your go-to-market strategy. Are you still actively pursuing these customers? And if the mix gets larger, that's fine? Just how do you think about the mix of end markets across your business?
Yeah, I'll start, and then I'll hand it over to Stephen. We've always wanted this growth to be an and versus an or, and I mean by that, we want to be able to satisfy demand from our customers, but not at the exclusion of our amazing customers in these other markets, and so we want it to be additive. Now, in a perfect world, I think it'd be nice and balanced, but so long as we are keeping our customers happy and we're not missing out or turning down opportunities in other markets that maybe are just sort of clicking along in high single digits we really want wanted to be both and if to me if data centers are 60 percent or 65 percent or 55 or 70 doesn't matter so long as that we feel good about handling all of the opportunities now if we have to start making decisions uh and then that's that's a different story but i hope we never get to that position i know steven if you yeah great great point jeff it's you know we don't want to turn away business
from any of our good good clients no matter the end market and so that's going to change our mix over time the other area where we can change our mix over time is through through m a now as you know we're focused on high-end um contractors and of course on the engineering side as well but those that focus on mission-critical facilities. So many of those are also going to have some data center exposure. But there certainly may be opportunities to add to our mix with other high-quality businesses that maybe are a little bit more skewed towards some of our other mission-critical end markets. That's something that we'll continue to evaluate over time.
Speaker 2
Thank you. Our next question comes from Michael Dudoff with Vertical Research Partners. Your line is open.
Yes, good morning, gentlemen. Jeff, I get your sense of your customer. Obviously, your customers across the board seem to be quite active. How are you looking at allocating capacity, time, your current labor force? How does that look relative to what you have to execute out of your backlog the next three to five quarters? and are your clients looking to secure your services a much greater time into the future trying to secure opportunities where maybe it's even a couple years away before they're going to need what you guys do?
Yeah, great question, Michael. And I'll start and then I'll hand it over to Steve. And you called it. The two levers that we look at after we get inbound demand, which thankfully has continued to be up and to the right, is do we have the labor to accommodate it both on the engineering side and the implementation or the boots on the ground side and number two do we have the right square footage on the fab side those obviously work together the more that we can do in the factory in all things being equal you can do factory work with fewer people and so it reduces the I guess pressure from a labor perspective that said and see correct me if I'm wrong we are not seeing labor constraints to the extent that we would have to either push out a project or
anything like that and the you know the the fabrication square footage is an interesting capacity challenge and I'll hand it to Steve to walk through how we think through that yeah you're right Jeff though there is you know tight labor around the country we've been very successful in people in automation and and labor we need we haven't run into labor shortages we're always mindful of it and looking and planning ahead. We talk a lot about our efficient in a lot of our facilities and our second shift.
We really benefit from being a unionized workforce. It's a national labor force for us. Travel, there's several great things about that. One of which is you know exactly you're getting a trained in parts of the country. In one area of the country, we get travelers that come and they go to where the work is. And certainly one of the ways that you can become a sort of preferred employer is when you have a huge backlash and you only have challenging challenging technologies and cutting edge technologies the criteria that and just just to follow up what about on the client side today are they looking to lock you in longer into the future or how those discussions and how you're allocating those resources to some of your you know try to keep it
balanced as you mentioned in the response to a prior question of you know throughout all your customers in the markets no it's a it's a great question and and you know we are having those conversations every day with our clients and we are seeing our backlog stretch into further out periods and we had historically and because they are they're aware to write the company and
we basically tell our clients that we need to know because we need to lock in on whether it's designs or we get engaged and start having those the benefits of the fact that we have engineering as well as installation it's earlier client involvement and in mostly any industry the earlier you're talking to a customer the better and the more you understand the customer you understand the decision-making process you understand the competition you understand their pain points all that stuff earlier the better for us and I think people are realizing and again I don't know that I have any anything other than anecdotes that that you know since this is such a huge ramp the earlier we talked about it.
Speaker 2
Thank you. Our next question comes from Oliver Davies with Rothschild & Co. Redburn. Your line is open.
Good morning, guys. Just two for me. I mean, firstly, could you just provide a bit of color on the margin difference between installation and third-party fabrication sales? And then secondly, I guess you mentioned larger rewards, but speed to market is key. So just any comments on the sort of conversion length of the the backlog, whether that's materially changed over the past six months or so. Thanks.
Yeah. On the first one, of course, you know, we don't disclose the differences of the sublevels of services versus, you know, how we disaggregate revenue, but I think what we're happy to say is that when we're completing a full installation job, those margins, the revenue opportunity is much, much bigger than just a fab-only. You know, there's flow-through equipment, sometimes subcontractor costs, and so our margins are lower than when we're essentially manufacturing customized products. We do get a nicely higher margin on those. And so that, you know, It should be a positive to our margins over time as we continue to do more fab-only work. But then I'll hand it to Steve for the second half.
Yeah, on the acceleration of schedules and on these projects, we are seeing acceleration on every end market we're in. There is a race to the finish line, especially in the data center world and the semiconductor world. We're all competing with timeframes. And, again, Art.
Speaker 2
Thank you. Our next question comes from Chris Song with Wolf Research. Your line is open.
Hey, good morning. Just one question for me. Stephen, you mentioned project timing continues on execution as drivers of the race, and I think Steve just talked about the acceleration of projects ramping faster. Can you just separate how much of the increase in guidance this year is revenue being pulled forward versus incremental work that wasn't necessarily contemplated last quarter, I think.
Yeah, it's hard to provide a split on that. I think it's a combination. I think the pull forward, we've certainly benefited from that, in a sense, in the second quarter, versus our guidance. When I said pull forward, we were just executing on some of the, particularly the FAB projects, quicker than originally anticipated. So there's some of that in our guidance, But also, you know, just we've got a strong backlog coverage on our second half results. And so that was part of our.
Speaker 2
Thank you. And our final question comes from Derek Soderbergh with Cantor Fitzgerald. Your line is open.
Yeah. Hey, guys. Just wanted to dig into the engineering and consulting segment. I think gross margins there were down a little bit. I was wondering if that was more labor costs or project mix. And then just as a follow-up on that, I'm curious if the E&C margins are different for work that's sort of attached to larger projects versus smaller projects.
Yeah, I'll take the first part of that. You know, our margins, again, the difference in the year-over-year margin was driven by a mix. We had a larger contribution from our program and project management, which includes performance contracting, than our higher margin engineering and design service line. And that's really what accounted for the difference year over year. And then just more broadly, as I look at the thing about the margins in that segment, we had one quarter that was an outlier quarter where we had really high margins over the past two years. But otherwise, over the last eight quarters, you know, we've generally been in the 31 to 33 percent range and the difference driven by mix, mix shifts. The one area, again, that we talked about, sustainability consulting, where we've seen a little bit of degradation, as we discussed, that's sort of, you know, plus or minus 10 percent of that overall engineering and design service line.
So very, very small piece. overall though that the margins for the underlying services have been consistent essentially within that period and the other than that and the changes have been driven by makeshifts yeah and I would just piggyback on that we haven't seen I don't think a material difference in engineering fees by vertical market whether you know is the engineering fee for a data center versus University versus K12 I think they're not identical but nothing that would you know sort of move the needle from our perspective.
Speaker 2
Thank you. This concludes the question and answer session. I would now like to turn it back to Son Van for closing remarks.
Thank you, Daniel, and thank you, everyone, for attending our second quarter 26 earnings A recording of this call will be available on our website in a few hours, and we look forward to updating you again in our next earnings call. Until then, have a great week.
Speaker 2
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