Operator
Good morning, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to Modine's first quarter fiscal 2027 earnings conference call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. Later, we will conduct a question and answer session, and instructions will follow at that time. If anyone should require assistance during the conference, please press star and then zero on your telephone keypad. As a reminder, this conference call is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to your host, Kathy Powers, Vice President, Treasurer, and Investor Relations.
Hello and good morning. Welcome to our conference call to discuss Modine's first quarter fiscal 2027 results. I'm joined by Neil Brinker, our President and Chief Executive Officer, and Nick Luccarelli, our Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. The slides that we will be using with today's presentation are available on the Investor Relations section of our website, Modine.com. On slide three of that deck is our notice regarding forward-looking statements. This call will contain forward-looking statements as outlined in our earnings release, as well as in our company's filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission. With that, I'll turn the call over to Neil.
Thank you, Kathy, and good morning, everyone. Before covering the quarterly results, I'd like to share a couple of personnel updates. As we've recently announced, Michael Mahan has joined Modine as the new president of our commercial HVAC segment, reporting to me. We are very excited to have Michael join our team, bringing extensive experience managing global P&Ls, executing portfolio transformations, and driving product development and technical innovation. The priorities of this segment have not changed. We are focused on improving margins throughout the segment while driving organic growth and pursuing inorganic growth opportunities. We expect to create significant value in this segment through our ongoing 80-20 work and through the integration of our last three acquisitions. Michael is the right leader to help us achieve these goals. Secondly, Art Laszlo, who has been leading our global data center business, has resigned from his role at Modine for unexpected personal reasons and will be leaving at the end of July. We are grateful for his contributions over these four years and wish him the best for his next chapter. We have initiated a search for his replacement, and in the interim, I will step in to lead this organization. Given the level of growth and complexity of this business, I will be spending a great deal of my time and focus on making sure that we are executing on all of our many priorities in this segment. This includes launching and ramping production in North America to support our strategic customers and their growth targets, including ensuring that we are ready to perform on our long-term capacity commitments starting in 2027. This is a heavy lift, but I have confidence in our global team and our ability to delight our customers while staying at the forefront of technology. Please turn to slide four. This is the first quarter that we are reporting under our new three-segment structure, data centers, commercial ASPAC, and performance technologies. Starting with the data center segment, revenues increased 90% from the prior year, but were down sequentially from the previous quarter as expected. As we discussed last quarter, we began experiencing supply chain shortages of certain key components that impacted production volumes in the quarter. And in response, we started taking decisive action to secure supply. Our existing suppliers are expanding capacity to meet market demand, and we are negotiating commitment to secure the volume of components we need for fiscal 27 and beyond. While we regularly assess our supply chain risks, recent component shortages materialized even earlier than anticipated. We quickly activated our contingency plans, which included dynamically resequencing our capacity rollouts. Because we are actively staffing and preparing our broader network for significantly higher volume, these sudden parts shortages cause temporary downtime and lower than planned capacity utilization across our expansion sites. As a result, both labor efficiency and overhead absorption were below our normal levels, which negatively impacted our margins in the quarter. The key takeaway here is that these margin pressures are a transitional timing issue, not a structural one. While these supply chain realities expand the timeline to reach full operating efficiency across our network, they do not impact our ability to meet our recently announced long-term capacity agreements or our financial targets for this year. Most importantly, the underlying demand for our products is unprecedented. We just logged our third consecutive quarter of record order intake, driving another significant increase in our backlog. We remain firmly focused on executing our expansion and securing critical components so that as a supply chain normalizes, our facilities are trying to effectively deliver on this massive demand. Commercially, we continue to focus on our strategic customers and perfect prospects, which include high-quality hyperscalers, neoclouds, and co-location customers, and our new product launches have been a commercial success. I spent time last week visiting our data center plants in North America, and I just want to reiterate my confidence in this team. As I jump in to lead this business over these next few months, my focus is ensuring that we are executing our capacity expansion to support our strategic growth plan. I anticipate that we will have periodic challenges and setbacks with this exponential growth business. Over the last three years, we have grown revenue at a compound annual growth rate of more than 80%. Even with temporary cost or margin headwinds, very few companies can grow earnings at these exceptionally high double-digit rates. Our visibility and confidence in revenue and earnings growth over the next two to three years remains as high as it's ever been. Please turn to slide five. Our commercial HVAC business delivered a strong quarter with revenues up 22%. This was largely driven by our acquisition last year and higher coiled sales to our data to our customers. As I previously mentioned, Michael Mahan will be leading this next phase of the 80-20, including a renewed vertical segmentation, which will help to accelerate our acquisition integration, along with very specific targets and actions for each of our general managers. We are taking strategic actions to optimize our manufacturing footprint in this segment in support of our 80-20 focus and to improve our overall cost structure. Product lines are being consolidated into our Owatonna, Minnesota facility, which was part of the CDI acquisition last year. In addition, we have consolidated coils production in Grenada and Juarez in order to allow for the capacity expansion for the shorelines of Grenada, while preserving capacity for growth in coils to support our data center customers. Commercially, we're also taking decisive pricing actions to offset inflationary cost increases, including materials and tariffs. This, along with ongoing 80-20 focus, will help improve margins through simplification and efficiency. Please turn to page 6. The Performance Technology team continues to focus on preparations for the planned spinoff and merger with GenTherm and was able to hit several significant milestones since our last update. GenTherm completed its S-4 submission to the FCC, and once it becomes effective, they will request approval for the transaction from their shareholders. We have also completed the filing required for an IRS determination letter on the tax treatment of the reverse Morse trust transaction and expect to receive a favorable ruling prior to close. Internally, we have been working on the IT separation and legal entity reorganization to allow us to deliver a standalone operating business to GenTerm. Overall, these processes remain on track, and we are still expecting to close the transaction before the end of the calendar year. Presumably that all the necessary approvals are received and closing conditions are met. With that, I'll turn the call over to Nick.
Thanks, Neil, and good morning, everyone. Please turn to slide seven to review the Q1 segment results. As Neil mentioned, this is the first quarter reporting results under the new operating segments, data centers, commercial HVAC, and performance technologies. Please refer to the 8K filed last week for the historic recast of our results under this new structure. Beginning with data centers, this segment continues to grow in an exponential rate with a 90% increase in sales. America's sales grew 112% and EMEA sales increased 18%, mainly from growth with strategic hyperscale and co-location customers. As we discussed last quarter, we anticipated that Q1 revenue would be up significantly year-over-year, but down sequentially from Q4. This was due to a significant impact from supply chain shortages that limited our production volume in the quarter. and which ended up lasting longer than we originally anticipated. In addition, we also had a customer program delay and a few delayed shipments at the end of the quarter. The entire industry is continually adjusting to supply and demand changes, and despite a few challenges this quarter, the segment was able to deliver well above average earnings growth. Adjusted EBITDA grew 27 percent, resulting in an adjusted EVA DAW margin of 14.8%. As expected, the adjusted EVA DAW margin was down versus the prior year. This decline was due to a few temporary factors. First, there was a 150 basis point warranty variance year-over-year, which was due to a large warranty settlement in the prior year. Also, as part of our production ramp to meet future customer volumes, we've added significant labor and overhead costs. The supply chain shortages caused significant inefficiencies in our plants as we ramped our labor and manufacturing capacity to handle higher volumes. The excess labor along with unfavorable overhead absorption on the lower volumes had a 450 to 550 basis point impact on margins during the quarter. Last, we experienced unfavorable product mix combined with some higher material costs partially related to supply chain shortages. These will be addressed through our commercial agreements and we expect this will contribute to sequential margin improvement next quarter. With regards to the operating income and adjusted EBITDA margins, our rate of revenue growth is far exceeding the increase in SG&A spending, which had a positive impact on our margins. SG&A was down nearly 400 basis points as a percentage of sales. As supply chain catches up, capacity comes online and revenue grows. We expect the Jeps to leave a Dow margin to improve. We fully expect the segment margin will improve in Q2 and continue that trend in the second half of fiscal 27. Despite some periodic growing pains, we're excited about the overall momentum in the segment. Based on our revenue and margin outlook, we anticipate that the data center segment will generate earnings growth in excess of 85% this year. Please turn to slide 8 to review the commercial HVAC segment. Commercial HVAC also delivered strong revenue growth with a 22% increase in sales. HVAC technology sales increased 24 million or 45% with acquisitions contributing 20 million of revenue in the quarter. Heat transfer solution sales improved 7% or 11 million with strong volume in North America coils, supporting data center customers. Adjusted EBITDA increased 7% while the margin was down 220 basis points versus the prior year. Similar to the data center segment, we anticipated a negative margin comparison for Q1, mostly due to a temporary business mix. First, the recent acquisitions have contributed to a lower mix impact on adjusted EBITDA margin. As part of the integration plan, the team is consolidating the manufacturing footprint, and that resulted in some inefficiencies in the quarter. We also had some unfavorable revenue mix, with a higher mix of lower margin coil business and a lower mix of our higher margin heating and coolers businesses. Overall, commercial HVAC is on track for the year with great opportunities for this leadership team to drive both growth and margin expansion through new 80-20 initiatives. We're anticipating double-digit earnings growth this fiscal year, with incremental improvements in the necessity without margin each quarter. Please turn to slide nine. Performance technologies revenues remain impacted by challenging end market demand. Heavy-duty equipment sales were higher by 1% or 1 million, driven by higher genset product sales, partially offset by lower sales to off-highway agricultural equipment customers. On-highway application sales decreased 5% or 9 million, due to lower end market demand from automotive and commercial vehicle customers. The segment adjusted EBITDA declined 3% from the prior year and adjusted EBITDA margin decreased 10 basis points to 13%. The margin decline was mostly driven by lower sales volume and the lag effect of recovering higher commodity metals and tariffs. Based on the current metals trends, we do believe this situation will become more favorable in future quarters. Foss savings initiatives resulted in a $2 million reduction in SG&A expenses this quarter, helping to partially offset these impacts. Despite these challenging market conditions, the team remains focused on delivering higher margins and earnings for the segment this fiscal year. As Neil covered, the separation plan and merger with GenTherm is progressing nicely and remains on track. Now, let's review the total company results. Please turn to slide 10. First quarter sales increased 28%, driven by the revenue growth and data centers and commercial HVAC. Gross margin declined 340 basis points to 20.8%, driven by the lower margins across all three segment. We continue to invest in incremental SG&A to support strong growth and data centers while redeploying resources across all areas of the company from an 80-20 perspective. Incremental spending has been partially offset by lower SG&A and performance technologies. In addition, corporate SG&A includes 7.1 million of expenses directly related to the PET spin-off, primarily only for professional services to prepare for the transaction. As revenue continues to accelerate at a faster pace than SG&A, total company SG&A declined 60 basis points as a percentage of sales to 11.8%. Adjusted EBITDA grew 5%, resulting in a 5.1 million year-over-year increase. Due to the specific items I reviewed in each segment, the adjusted EBITDA margin was down 270 basis points to 12.2%. Again, as I previously covered, we anticipated most of the change in margin. This includes working through supply chain shortages in the data center segment, along with a Q1 negative mixed impact in commercial HVAC, and reflecting the low market volume and rising costs and tariffs in PET. We believe these are all transitory, and we have very specific actions to improve margins in all three segments as the year progresses. And we remain on track to deliver our full-year targets. Last but not least, from an EPS perspective, adjusted earnings per share was $1.53 or 44 percent higher than the prior year. This includes a favorable income tax benefit related to shares issued for stock-based incentives compensation awards during the quarter. However, we expect this benefit to be largely offset in the remaining quarters by other offsetting items and our full-year effective tax rate will be generally in line with our previous estimates. Now moving to the cash flow metrics, please turn to slide 11. Free cash flow was slightly negative in the first quarter. This was lower than the prior year by $5 million, mostly due to a few factors. First, we had higher capital expenditures versus the prior year. In addition, the first quarter had over 60 million of other cash flow items, including higher contract assets related to revenue recognition, cash taxes, and incentive compensation. These were partially offset by favorable working capital improvements. Last, first quarter free cash flow included $14.9 million of cash payments, primarily related to restructuring and disposition-related costs. Net debt of $433 million was $70 million higher than the prior fiscal year end, driven mostly by the repurchase of treasury stock in connection with Modine's share-based compensation program. Participants are allowed to sell a portion of their shares back to the company to cover their income tax withholding requirements. However, the shares are repurchased and held as treasury stock, reducing the number of shares outstanding used to calculate earnings per share. Our balance sheet remains strong with a leverage ratio of 0.9 and based on our current outlook for earnings and cash flow, we anticipate the leverage ratio will decrease further by year end. Now let's turn to slide 12 for our fiscal 2027 outlook. As announced in our press release, our current revenue and earnings outlook is unchanged. Delivering on these results would represent our fifth consecutive year of record results. Also, our outlook includes performance technologies for the full fiscal year. Once we know when the pending transaction will close, we'll provide an update on our full year outlook for the remaining business. Then we'll report the historical results for PT and discontinued operations starting in for the quarter in which the transaction closes. For fiscal 27, we expect total company sales to grow in the range of 20 to 35 percent. For the data center segment, we expect sales to grow 60 to 80 percent. For commercial HVAC, we expect sales to grow 5 to 10 percent this year. For performance technologies, we anticipate sales to be flat to up 5% driven primarily by pricing mechanisms and our customer contracts for higher materials. We're expecting most markets to be flat with an opportunity for improvement in the back half of the year. We expect fiscal 27 adjusted EVA to be in the range of 650 to 680 million, representing earning a growth rate in excess of 40 percent and this implies at least 100 to 200 basis points of margin improvement driven by a margin increase in all three segments. And from a sequential standpoint, we expect to step up in margins from Q1 to Q2 and for the remaining three quarters, we anticipate that each quarter will result in strong double digit year-over-year earnings growth along with favorable margin comparisons. From a free cash flow perspective, we expect that will generate a higher level of free cash flow. And as a percentage of sales, we believe full-year free cash flow will be between 4 and 6 percent. Please see the appendix in this presentation for all the key assumptions, including interest expense, taxes, depreciation, and amortization. As we currently look at the next several quarters, we expect that margins and earnings will increase sequentially through the year, driven by the data center trends and our material cost recovery plan. To wrap up, we remain excited about fiscal 27 and expect to deliver another year of record sales and adjust the evadah. Despite a few margin-related headwinds in the first quarter, we remain confident that a strategy and investments will generate continued long-term and sustainable growth for Modine shareholders. With that, Neil and I will take your questions.
Operator
If you have a question at this time, please press star, then one key on your telephone keypad. A confirmation tone will indicate your line is in the question queue. You may press star, then 2, if you'd like to remove your question from the queue. For participants using speaker equipment, it may be necessary to pick up your handset before pressing the star keys. Our first question comes from Noah Kaye with Oppenheimer. Please go ahead.
Thanks for taking the questions, Neil and Mick, and our best to heart. You know, I think just trying to unpack the outlook here. implied in the 85% segment earnings growth for the data center segment. Some pretty healthy margin expansion there for the full year. Maybe that's a good place to start. Can it help us understand, you know, the trajectory as you see it moving through the year? I know you talked about sequential improvement, but just how to think about the shaping of that as possible. and it would really, I think, get into kind of level of confidence around, you know, supply chain issues abating and improving deliveries. So you can comment on all that.
First, Neil, sorry, I provided the recast. We had talked about the data center business EBITDA level. We can go through any more questions with regard.
Sorry, Neil, if you wanted to add anything else, but that's extremely helpful, Nick. I think the question around, you know, demand, I think your results continue to speak to that. You know, another, a third record quarter of orders, you talked about the backlog sort of more than doubling. Maybe you can talk a little bit about kind of conversion cycle times on backlog at this point. You know, are you seeing kind of backlog extend out, and how does that factor into your capacity planning?
Yeah, thanks, Noel. Well, this is Neil. Certainly, it does factor into the capacity planning, especially when we have to arrange the schedules within our plans based on available parts. So, you know, we take these orders, we bring in and build our backlog, and we base it upon our launch schedules of our product lines as well as existing lines that we have. So, you know, the backlog isn't totally made up of just product that needs to be produced in chiller facilities. We also have a great amount of backlog on our air handling units and with Scott Springfield as well, which has very stable manufacturing at this time. So, yep, those are considered. We take that – we factor that into our forecast. We factor that into our materials planning as well as our product launches inside the facilities.
Operator
Our next question comes from Matt Somerville with DA Davidson. Please go ahead.
Thanks. A couple questions. First, can you talk about whether you've started to see your A-Quad customer begin to execute orders against that capacity LTA? And based on your ongoing discussions with this customer, how you see that LTA cadencing out between 27, 28, and 29? And then I have a follow-up.
This is Neil. Thanks, Matt. Yes, we are seeing that. we've taken a couple orders already we anticipate more orders as early as next week and that is right in line with what we expect for orders for order and take a Q4 so typically we would suggest it be anywhere between a four to six month lead time in order to prepare for that and we're right in line with what our expectations were. In regards to the rollout in 27, 28, and 29, it's 20 to 25 percent in 27, and then, Kathy, it's 40, 35 to 40 percent in 28, 29.
As a follow-up then, maybe walk through exactly what's kind of been happening supply chain-wise and help us better appreciate your confidence and your ability to lock down the remaining supply you need for this fiscal year and talk through whether or not you're considering a longer-term sort of supply LTA, if you will, to synergize with your own capacity agreement?
Sure. That's a good question. Yes. The answer is yes. And with our critical suppliers, we are actively engaged and in discussions with LTAs and would expect to have that for FY28 as well as FY29 in place soon. In regards to today and now, you know, I've been very public about the amount of suppliers that we've worked with. We've doubled our supply chain spend year after year after year as we've grown the business, and this was yet another year of that. So, this is something that we're familiar with and how we manage it. And it was pretty public that we would have four suppliers that we would put into that category that would potentially make us vulnerable. And we identified that early on in our risk management process. The issue here was the timing. The shortages hit faster than we anticipated. With that, we decisively engaged our current suppliers and we're expanding our own capacity and we're aggressively taking additional steps to mitigate this. In one instance, we're even considering vertical integration. So we have done some pretty interesting things. I'll give a lot of credit to the operations teams. We're really upskilled in operations. We've really invested in operations and brought in some key talent, particularly in the plants and at the most senior levels that are negotiated in these long-term contracts, as well as helping us dynamically balance our launch schedules in line with the available capacity.
I'm going to sneak in one more. When do you envision activating the remaining chiller lines in Grenada, Jefferson City, and the Dallas area? And I dropped for a second, so I apologize if you already covered that. And then are you thinking any differently about the 50 to 70 percent data center organic framework you initially laid out and supported on your last earnings call for fiscal 28. I think that was a comment from Mick last quarter.
Yeah, we're confident in the numbers that we put out, Matt, and we're going to get the flow from the materials corrected. We're going to get our supply chain situation resolved, and we'll be able to catch up and we'll be able to deliver on those numbers as we ramp line. But certainly the capacity that we would anticipate that we were expanding in those regions you just asked about, By the end of the fiscal year, we'll be back in track and out schedule. Meaning the lines will be up and established at some level of efficiency by the end of the fiscal year for each of those regions.
Operator
Our next question comes from Neal Burke with UBS. Please go ahead.
Thanks for the questions.
You mentioned backlog doubling. Like, I know you don't quantify this, but can you provide some indication of the level of coverage you have relative to sales expectations for this year. I just wonder, and maybe like a more negative, you know, scenario with these supply chain issues, is there potential for some of this strong demand in the data center market to maybe be met by others who are less kind of restricted on supply chain?
Yeah, I'll go first. It's Nick. And probably the best way to think about the revenue outlook and order book is when we start a year, we have probably 70, 80% of it in firms typically talk about really, and also Neil said typical POs being called at six months or so, a little bit softer, a third quarter, and our fourth is POs. As we're moving through the year now, and it'll be the role five, Neil was talking.
Question, Neil, could they go somewhere else for that capacity? I would be more concerned if we were a commodity, but we're not. We have a value-added product that our customers desire to help solve their critical challenges and help them with their they want 20 on how we handle these commercial engagements. So our largest customers get priority. So when we see these shortages, we make sure that we keep up with demand with our largest customers that are our key accounts, which means we have to have some more difficult conversations with some of our smaller customers, which we have. And with our smaller customers, they understand as long as we give them enough time and we give them enough visibility, they're willing to work with us because they want the product. Fortunately for us, there's longer lead time issues in the data center supply chain, that when we are building data centers, there's some things that are beyond even some of our longest lead times. So, if we give them the proper visibility and they can plan for it and we don't surprise them, then we maintain those orders and those relationships and sales.
That's helpful. And one other question, you mentioned that you expect data center revenues, I think, up $100 million in 2Q. You know, and you mentioned that volume and margin improvements, you know, as the quarter progressed. So, any indication, like, you know, we're towards the end of July here, like, any indication how the month is trending in terms of availability and data center volumes? Thank you.
Yeah. Sure thing. You know, I'll let you go first with regards, are you really, you're kind of asking about how the first month here of the quarter is going to look in?
So we've secured supply chain for going forward for this year. Assuming that they deliver on what our expectations are and what we've agreed to, then we'll have the supply chain necessary to meet our demand.
Operator
Our next question comes from David Tarantino with Keith Bank Capital Markets. Please go ahead.
Hey, good morning, guys. Just want to follow up on that. Those Last comment you're making, Neil, I think you said that the supply chain issues hit faster than expected, but I think it's in the release you also mentioned that you saw improvement as the quarter progressed. So maybe just a picture on how it progressed through the quarter, or maybe give us some color on how it kind of progressed through June and July and how the actions you've taken showed through sequentially.
Yeah, so when, you know, a few suppliers, critical suppliers across this space, and I think you've seen it with, you know, other – some of our competitors, we've even seen this with it. These critical suppliers essentially shut a lot of us down with a hard stop, and then we had to go in to negotiate specific volumes. The original projected volumes that they provided us were not going to be accepted, and a team did a really good job punching above their weight in order to secure supply, you know, considering that everybody in the industry needed these components. So, we were able to negotiate with them and secure that supply and then get the facilities back up and running. Now, during that period of time, we had to make a decision, right? We've got some lines that are in the middle of launching that require these parts. They require these components. And we now have to reposition these parts that become available to our highest producing, most efficient lines so that we can get the throughput necessary, which means you have to idle some other areas, which means you have to carry overhead and you have to carry the labor in order to do this, knowing that it's a short-term problem. So those are the decisions we made. We're going to continue to train our employee base. We're going to carry that additional overhead. We're going to carry that labor because we know this is a short-term issue that we're going to be able to get through in a couple months while we start to establish these long-term agreements with these suppliers and then look at other ways to risk mitigate this. So there's multiple ways that the teams are working on risk mitigation. So when we have these types of issues, we can pivot and we can adjust faster.
Yeah, just one thing to add to that, I want to make sure to get the margins and the growth and the outlook. To me, from the finance standpoint, it's all about when we look at the helpful color.
And then you talked about record orders, backlog, and data centers. So maybe could you give us some color on the drivers between customer types and technologies here, and maybe just update us on the pipeline opportunities beyond the orders you received in the quarter and how that's evolved, particularly relative to kind of some of these incremental growth opportunities around both.
The big driver of that was with a couple hyperscalers for us that they continue to. And then the third one was with a large Neoclaw provider. three largest customers that we have that are hyperscaler and neoclaw that continue to increase their price.
Operator
Our next question comes from Brian Drabb with William Blair. Please go ahead.
Okay, thanks for taking my questions. That last one was going to be my first question so that I got that answer. Neil, can you just address again, are you seeing any change in demand for chillers related to evolving cooling system architectures and inlet fluid temperatures specced for future GPU designs?
Yeah, I mean, it's improving. It's increasing for us because of the technology that we have with free cooling. As these temperatures increase, we have, I think, a really strong product to support that, and it just will continue to enhance in terms of the desire and the need for chillers. We saw that with the LTA that we took with a large hyperscaler out, you know, out into 29. And we continue to see that with increased forecasts as we introduce the chiller product line. And our enhanced 3-megawatt chiller as well to our customers are very, very excited.
So, it is the idea that, you know, the idea that's driving the continued demand, even if inlet temperatures are going to be higher. I mean, really, is it the combination of your chiller technology with the pre-cooling and the chiller, it has to be there for, you know, almost like an insurance policy, even if it's only, you know, if it's used maybe fewer days throughout the year than it would have been otherwise?
That's exactly correct. Right. So, even if you're running at a higher inlet temperature, that's great because you can drive further efficiency and reduce the amount of power consumed at the data center. We're all for that, and that's why we want to go into that free cooling mode. But in the event where you reach a temperature above that, then you have put everything at risk if you don't have the insurance policy or the chiller and the refrigerant cycle.
And can you give any sense for, in like the last wave of orders that you've gotten, you know, pick the time period in the last six months or a year, do you have a sense for the breakdown of your chiller demand across, you know, the two categories of facility cooling versus incorporation into a direct-to-chip liquid cooling system? well they support both so it's hard for us to kind of delineate between the two because you'll have the you'll have similar models and skews on the same rooftop of the data center that does both so uh without getting inside of the dc uh it's it's hard for us to to measure that but i
can tell you that the orders have increased um and that's where we're seeing the backlog is in particular with our air handling units as well as our chillers.
Okay, and then last one, if I could, you know, you essentially, you know, sold most of your chiller capacity, I believe, you know, with that LTA, and like more than half of it at least, and probably well more than half in the out years. So, I'm wondering if you're seeing other customers maybe step up and considering, more strongly considering an LTA to get their share of the product going forward.
Yeah, I'd say about half of it was part of the LTA, and I think that will be reduced over time as we get more efficient with our product manufacturing as well as when we launch the 3-megawatt chiller. We'll be able to produce more, and the capacity will increase based on the ratio of two megawatt versus three megawatts, but certainly we're in conversations with folks on timing. I don't see any LTAs of the same level of significance that we had with our first hyper, but definitely there are conversations as we continue to scale and ramp our facilities. We're looking at agreements that 12 to 18 months that are not necessarily as long as the three-year agreement we had with the hybrid.
Got it. Thanks very much.
Operator
Our next question comes from Jeff Van Sinderen with V Reilly Securities. Please go ahead.
Good morning, everyone. Just regarding the customer-driven delays that I think you mentioned in your prepared comments, are there any other major delays or shifts in timing by your customers that are potentially pending that they maybe made you aware of, that you're watching closely, that could impact demand timing? And then also, are any of those factored into guidance that could shift in or shift out? And then finally, what's the root cause of the delays? Is it centered around supply chain?
I'll take the last one in terms of what the root cause is. That is based on new product launch. So, that is a design that we're doing with a specific hyperscaler around a unique product that's for the hyperscaler that we're in probably the third iteration of the design cycle and when we went through some updates to the prints and some updates to the overall specifications of the product and it adjusted it out of the quarter for the build.
Again second Jeff, we forecast with the nature of the markets and some of the large construction projects attached, we do have contingencies and we try to take different systems.
Okay, that's helpful. And then just kind of regarding the fiscal Q2 metric framework, wondering how you're thinking about order of magnitude for A, Vita, or Z, Vita margin recovery. Do you think it's kind of more gradual maybe in Q2 and then sharper in Q3 and Q4, or how are you thinking about that for the remaining quarters of the year?
Yeah, you know, so a couple of things, analogies, I think pretty much the mention on the call of the large step up in Q2 for data centers, really getting back to where we've been. And that all together for us, it would be a nice step, probably a 200, 250 basis point having margin comparisons as well. So a pretty good step up in Q2. And then someone had asked earlier, obviously what's implied for the full year with data center is we would expect a margin step up in Q2.
Okay, great. Thanks for taking my questions. I'll take the rest of the line.
Operator
Our next question comes from Chris Moore with CJS Securities.
Please go ahead. Hey, good morning, guys. Just in terms of the product launches you were talking about, I wasn't sure if you were, you know, I know in the past you've talked about modular data centers and you're partnering with one hyperscaler, working on the second generation, soon to be third generation. Are you talking about the modular data center, or is that a separate topic to discuss here? No, that was it, Chris.
It was the same. That was with that product. Gotcha.
And just in terms of, you know, kind of as we move forward with outperformance technologies, looking at when things normalize a little bit, just maybe from a gross margin perspective, you know, looking at data center and looking at commercial HVAC, is there, you know, kind of a normalized level that we should be thinking about or which of those segments, you know, likely is going to drive the higher gross margin, you know, moving forward?
A really good question. And, you know, the official pro forma for you, but I'll let you you guys do that math, clearly part of the challenge on the PT side is to bend around the gross margin. Frankly, the commercial HVAC and data center, Neil and I have talked about their ability to operate at like a 30% of them there, and I think in the case of…
Very helpful. I'll leave it there.
Operator
I appreciate it, guys. Our next question comes from Matt Somerville with DA Davidson. Please go ahead.
I just have a quick follow-up. You know, have you – kind of where are you, I guess, in your decisioning on whether or not Modine will ultimately need incremental fixed capacity or thinking about migrating more towards a variable model? is you think about being able to more broadly address some of the hyperscalers that weren't part of the discussion when you referenced three specific customers as being the main driving force behind your air handlers and your chiller orders and backlog.
Yeah, we certainly have these conversations in terms of our manufacturing footprint and our supply chain strategy. And it's also at the forefront of our design as well. So as we think about our design, we're designing for the ability to be more modular. Not the modular unit, but modular is a term, meaning you have more flexibility because you have more of a systems approach in the factory. So when we think about that, the range is right around $4 billion that we feel we have the capacity for over time with the existing CapEx deployment as well as the facilities and rooftops we have in place today. To get beyond that, it would be a different level of CapEx outline if we were to choose to do that, or it could be a combination of both incremental additional facility or more efficiency on the existing lines and then leveraging some supply chain to help produce that overflow capacity. So I think we've got time to figure that out, and we will. But certainly, you know, we get more and more confidence that this is a problem that we are happy to solve for as we see the backlog and order increase.
And then I just want to make sure I understood Mick correctly.
So the data center side of the business in the month of June was hitting sort of your desired profitability, objective you kind of laid out for the September quarter in that 19 to 20% range and July is is functioning along those same lines did I interpret that correctly or am I interpreting that correctly you you are interview you're adding a little color but that's okay it is but that was my point I'm not tracking you know I'm not tracking margins mid months here but what I wanted to make sure I was a good questioning from David when we went through the quarter we really saw the impact of that supply chain and question
is from David Tarantino with key bank capital markets please go ahead hey just had two quick follow-ups um maybe on commercial HVAC we haven't touched on not yet. Just good to see some updates here on 80-20 initiatives here, but now that we can see the margins here more clearly, could you frame for us the opportunity here and how we should expect the margins to progress both this year and kind of what the opportunity on 80-20 is longer term?
Yeah, I'll take it. Neil can add any color if we want. Yeah, I mean, that HRAC business, especially when we look at our heating business across our companies. In a normal environment, I think we'd like to see an EBITDA percentage.
Yeah, I think we have, well, I know we have regular dialogue, Neil and I, with the board on that, for sure. I think the two things.
Operator
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