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Parsons Corp (PSN) September 2026 Conference Transcript

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Sheila Kayalu Analyst — Jefferies

My name is Sheila Kayalu with the Jefferies Aerospace Defense and Airlines Equity Research Team, in case you're on the webcast and don't recognize me. We have 31 minutes left in our buyer side chat due to the elevators, but great news. We have the Parsons management team here. And if you haven't heard Carrie speak yet, she's the chairman, president, and CEO of Parsons, and she's extra speedy. So we won't have a problem within these 31 minutes. And I'm Matt Alplios, who's the CFO. So with that, Carrie and Matt, maybe you could just, for folks who aren't familiar with the story. Parsons has gone through a lot, has had some great wins. How do we think about Parsons going forward from here?

Speaker 2

Yeah, so first, thanks for having us here today. I'll start off with a very brief overview of Parsons. We are organized, we're about 50% federal solutions, 50% within critical infrastructure. We have 21,000 people that work in 25 countries around the world, all 50 states. I like to talk about the company in terms of six end markets, all of which are growing between four to 11 percent compound annual growth rate starting off with transportation transportation represents about 29 percent of the company's revenue and there were involved in roads and highways bridges both those areas are very important as you look at the next five-year service transportation bill because they're the two areas that are mostly going to get emphasized we also do an advanced traffic management system one of the most globally deployed in the world We just had an exciting first deployment within the Middle East and the city of Friod. And then we're involved in areas like ports and airports. We've done over 450 airport projects, including the new King Salmon International Airport and 450 rail and transit projects. Second area is cybersecurity, also an area that's very exciting, an area that should be the fastest growing end market at a rate between 9% to 11%. That represents about 20% of Parsons' revenue. There we do about 60% offensive cyber, about 40% defensive cyber. One of the recent wins, Sheila, that we just had in the defensive cyber area would be the joint cyber hunt kit. That's a $750 million program over five years. It's product-based, so it's margin or creative, and we're excited about that. The other area within cyber that's getting increasing attention is critical infrastructure protection. So whether you look at what's happened recently in the U.S. where there's been attacks on the water supply within 12 states, and we recently participated as founding member of the Project Watershed kickoff within the state of Texas, where we're going to try and help the water companies be able to basically harden their infrastructure through cybersecurity capabilities, that's going to be important. Whether you look at what's going on in the conflict today in the Middle East, where a lot of the shots are being taken at water companies, utility companies, and data centers, that's another area that we can help support. So that's kind of the cyber market. Third market area is space. That's about 15% of the company's revenue. Within space and missile defense, we're the number one contractor for the Missile Defense Agency for system engineering and integration. That's important as we look at the Golden Dome for America program, because the Missile Defense Agency has been designated as the lead for the system of engineering. Also in space, we've done over 170 space ground systems. We're involved in space situational awareness, both for Department of War and the intelligence community as well as the Department of Commerce, which supports civilian and international missions. And we have an assured position, navigation, timing solution, exclusive partnership with global star now Amazon which allows you to get location information in case your GPS is jammed because we're using a different frequency constellation the next area would be 14% of the company's revenue would be water and environment we do a lot in area of water so we're involved in water wastewater treatment plants we're involved in desalination we're involved in water conveyance we also do mine reclamation projects two of the largest abandoned mines up in canada farrow and giant mine our fault within that next area would be urban development 14 and the company's revenue that's what we do in the middle east we've been the middle east for seven decades we're the number one program manager within saudi arabia within qatar and within the uae we're on every single saudi giga project so we're the program manager that is doing the new king salmon air national airport we're the program manager for king salmon park five times size Central Park program manager for Kadia the world's largest entertainment city we're also redesigning the roads and highways around Riyadh going to be critically important to get that right for the upcoming Expo and World Cup and we deployed our advanced traffic management system then the final area about seven percent of the company's revenue is critical infrastructure protection when the recent wins we had in that area was a 392 million classified when that we announced in the fourth quarter that leveraged our biometric solutions capability. We do biometrics for over 50 different customers, state and local, Department of War, and intelligence community. There, we also, within critical infrastructure protection, support 285 embassies and consulates throughout the world, providing counter-amanned air systems in addition to biometrics capability. So, quick snapshot and one additional comment I would make on recent awards. This year, in the first half, we have been awarded nine contracts greater than $100 million. That compares with seven a year ago and five the year before that. So we're on a trajectory where we've won quite a bit of big awards. And within the nine, five represent new, new business, three are follow-ons, and one was a repeat.

Sheila Kayalu Analyst — Jefferies

Great. Lots to digest there. Can we talk about the federal solutions business?

Speaker 2

Bookings were stellar in the quarter, and they accelerated significantly at 45% in the first half, I'm sorry for a book to bill 1.3 what are some of the demand signals you're seeing what what's benefiting from the defense budget versus what you're seeing from re-competes and new business opportunities yes so to your point sheila we had a 1.4 book to bill for federal in the first quarter 1.3 in the second quarter so federal bookings have been very strong and then after the quarter ended it was also announced on the federal procurement data system that we were awarded a $665 million counter-UAS job with the Army. That's going to be over a seven-year period of performance. So I would say where we're seeing acceleration is in a lot of our classified programs, such as the Navy's intelligence carry-on program, that was a new start, $184 million over five years. We also won some other transaction agreements. Two of those were worth $400 million. Those were over three years. And OTAs, I'd say, is an area that we're really excited about because we currently have about 94 OTAs between what's in our pipeline and what's been awarded. 37 of the OTAs have been awarded. So we're seeing this now be kind of a billions of dollars type of representative for our market. And then the joint cyber hunt kit I'll hit on again, that's a great example of where we applied artificial intelligence. So we had the first deployed egenic AI use for a cyber threat hunt kit, and I think it was a key enabler to us winning. The neat thing about that contract being another transaction agreement, originally 101 companies submitted white papers. It was down selected to three companies for a prototype, and then we were ultimately selected as the winner for that contract. That was done in a period of like nine to 12 months, so something that traditionally would have taken a long time, and that's the benefit of what's happening in acquisition reform. So now we're going to be delivering 74 kits each year for the first three years. And then the last two years, that contract's going to be opened up for international customers and other military services.

Sheila Kayalu Analyst — Jefferies

Lots to digest. How do we think about that $11 billion pipeline as well? You've mentioned it. It's been pretty constant, actually, over the last three years. How do we think about it expanding, things moving into backlog and into revenues?

Speaker 2

Yes, our backlog's about $9.3 billion, 71% of which is funded, which is very strong compared to any of our peers. We also have an $11 billion awarded, not booked. So you can think of that as work that has come to Parsons as a single prime contractor. Half of the $11 billion represents option years on follow-on contracts, and the other half of the $11 billion represents potential ceiling value. So that would be like an OTA where we have to drive work to that. That number will tend to fluctuate based on when we do bookings. So a good example, last quarter we booked $593 million for our FAA contract. So that was for the three-year option year. So that comes out of the $11 billion and gets reflected into bookings. And then we also booked $514 million for our missile defense agency contract last quarter over two years. That was the follow-on option year for that. And we'll be replenishing it with some of the new awards that I mentioned, like the $665 million counter-UAS award.

Sheila Kayalu Analyst — Jefferies

Can we talk about federal solutions as well? Just the organic growth, X, the confidential program, which has been a lot in the news. You've had good organic growth, you know, low to mid-single digits outside of that. Can you maybe help us understand what drives FS growth from here going forward? I know Joint Cyberhunk is one of the maybe one point of growth, but you have lots of strong growth drivers from here.

Yeah, I'd say just to carry it on this, but 1.4 book to bill in Q1, 1.3 in Q2 within federal. We're seeing favorable trends in Q3 as well. So everybody will remember last year was pretty weak on the book to bills across the entire group. So it's nice to see federal recovering on that side. And so, to your point, load a single-digit growth this year on an organic basis, but we see favorable trends going into next year. We've said mid-single-digit or better at the corporate level, and we think that'll be split between the two segments. So, really strong kickoff for the federal group. On the back of JCHK, a lot of the new awards that Kerry mentioned in the first half of this year that are truly new, new work to us. So, those should be ramping in the second half this year and into next.

Speaker 2

And then I would also, we're seeing on-contract growth on areas like our missile defense, same-to-state contract, which will ramp up as part of Golden Dome, our FAA work, which we expect to be about a 40% year-over-year increase, and then our contract that protects U.S. Air Forces in Europe, which is Air Base Air Defense.

Sheila Kayalu Analyst — Jefferies

Got it. Within your space and national security portfolio, Carrie, do you mind reminding me how big of the portfolio it is? And you recently won a $245 million Naval Research Laboratory, IDIQ. How do you think about that when strengthening your position there?

Speaker 2

Yeah, so again, federal represents about half of a person's revenue, and then our defense and intel business is about 70 percent of federal. So that's how large our national security portfolio would be. Within the space area, we were re-awarded the National Research Lab. It's a contract that supports space ground systems. Some of the work we're doing is going to help get disaggregated space architecture up. So if you think about, we're going to transition from a lot of large satellite vehicles, small satellite vehicles. Parsons is developing a software suite that's called the Neptune Software Suite that basically is the ground system portion of that. So national security, whether it's cyber, space, missile defense, signals intelligence, represents a significant part of our portfolio. And one, by the way, that was purpose-built to outpace near-peer threats. We put this together intentionally through M&A. We've done 17 acquisitions since 2017. Twelve of those have been in the federal business. Ten of those have been within the national security space.

Sheila Kayalu Analyst — Jefferies

Can you talk about, you know, just maybe on the Chesapeake transaction, how that helped you win the joint cyber hunt kit and maybe products? We talked about products in June. How big are the portfolio it represents and how you think about that part of the portfolio growing?

Speaker 2

Yeah, so I'll hit the first part, and I'll have Matt hit upon the products. So from an M&A perspective, I want to highlight several of our acquisitions, because I think this has been critical to our success story. If you look at Exator, when we bought Exator, that ended up landing an over $2 billion confidential contract for us, and then recently our $392 million win that leveraged our biometrics capability in the fourth quarter that was a takeaway from a Tier 1 prime. If you look at Chesapeake Technology International, the one that you just asked about, Sheila, I would say that we've won both of the other transaction agreements worth $400 million, and we just acquired Chesapeake Technology a year ago. If you look at our ceiling tech acquisition, that was what landed the $750 million joint cyber hunt kit contract. If you look at Black Horse a couple years ago, that landed a $1.2 billion GSA FedSIM contract. Black Signal got us into the special access program, So we're doing a lot more classified space and cyber work than previously. And then if I turn to a couple of the ones that are on the critical infrastructure side of the house, I would say IP Keys is an enabler. IP Keys has a tool set that's called Cyberscape that's in use with over 400 electric and utility companies. And when you now look at the need to protect those companies against cyber vulnerabilities and make sure that you have them defended. This is an AI ML-enabled tool set, again, that's rapidly deployed throughout the industry. And then TRS Group, I'd hit on. TRS Group provides thermal remediation. So if you're looking at PFAS, PFAS, emerging contaminants, that's a market that represents $40 billion addressable for Parsons. TRS Group has really helped us increase our sales in the PFAS, PFAS area. You want to hit on the products, Matt?

Yeah. So in 2026, products will represent about $350 million at the corporate level. About $300 million of that is on the federal side. So think about 10% of the federal business being products oriented. And so a lot of these products were kind of making the transition to full production. And so with JCHK as a critical win for us at $750 million, we do see north of 20%, probably 20 to 30% worth of growth next year at a creative margin. So really great part of the story on margin expansion within federal over the next couple of years.

Speaker 2

And just to highlight a couple more of the product offerings that we have. So I mentioned biometrics earlier. We sell that to over 50 different customers. Our command and control core system, which is currently being used in the ongoing conflict in the Middle East, that has been selected as the air tasking program of record for the Air Force. That's another product that we sell internationally. We have assured position, navigation, and timing, which we've successfully demonstrated in the Ukraine conflict that we believe will also be beneficial to the Indo-Paycom region. And we have a product called the T-Rex system, which is basically a threat emulator that's also been deployed in conflict. And then we also have an antenna as a ground service solution that we develop the infrastructure for that customers can come by in as a service. And then not to leave out critical infrastructure side of the house, our Intelligent Network Program, again, and one of the most globally deployed applications for how do you manage traffic both around congestions or traffic accidents. So broad portfolio that we're putting increased emphasis on.

Sheila Kayalu Analyst — Jefferies

And how do you think about the $350 million growing? A joint cyber hunt kit will help. Is that going to grow double digits? How do we think about the growth versus the rest of Parsons?

Yeah, going into next year, we expect 20 to 30% growth within products for 2027. In corporate, we're talking mid-single-digit or better in total revenue, so it's both accretive on the margin side and faster growth.

Sheila Kayalu Analyst — Jefferies

Just to touch on the FAA business, there's been a lot of contention behind your FAA franchise, but you have 40 years of experience with the agency. How do we think about the FAA build-out from here, your large existing contract, which I think represents $250 million in revenue, and how you expect to continue to build on that?

Speaker 2

Yeah, so the FAA contract is second largest in our portfolio. We've been doing a great job of increasing the growth on the FAA. We expect about a 40 percent year-over-year revenue increase on the FAA program. FAA is a critical customer of partners since we've supported the FAA for over five decades. We have been on the technical support service contract for 24 years. That's a contract that is valued at over $2 billion. And we're involved, importantly, in all work streams of the FAA. So whether that's doing automation work or surveillance work or communications work or facilities work, we're involved in all aspects of that. We were recently selected to do some of the radar demobilization work. It is an example, which is a critical component for the air traffic control modernization. We're involved in the voice communication switch implementation. We're working as subcontractor to Rhodey and Schwartz and also starting to support for Quintus on the deployment of those. That was another critical part of their traffic control modernization. So what we're seeing is not just improvement on our current FAA technical support service contract, but we're also getting new contract work as a result of that funding.

Sheila Kayalu Analyst — Jefferies

How do we think about AI? It's a hot topic. It was really for the services group, but it's also morphed into becoming a beneficiary and a tool for the Parsons team.

Speaker 2

How do we think about how you're using AI capabilities within your business and how it's benefiting parsons yes we've been involved in our official intelligence for over two decades this company we started off we developed an early version of what i call a chat gpt like solution which would basically sort through open source answer all of them by the way carrie at the same time which would basically sort through open source intelligence information for the intelligence community and then if you fast forward to today because we're a mission solutions company we are using AI as an enabler to help us win more business and also expand margins. Because if we can come up with a better solution, leveraging AI, that's good for our business. Several examples, I talked about Joint Cyber Hunt Kit and the deployment of the first agentic AI for that application. We're using artificial intelligence for object detection in our counter unmanned air system suite. On the critical infrastructure side of the house, we use it for our intelligent network work. We also use it in the energy area for areas like distributed energy resource management. So if you're adding renewable energy loads, you can determine what that does to your loading, but also to the bills that you're paying for your customer. And then internally, we use it. Matt uses it for cash forecasting. We use it to see if we're going to win or lose a program. It's got great accuracy. I think that's been key to helping us sustain over 60% competitive win rates as we go forward. So it really allows you to increase your knowledge at speed if you're applying that as a critical enabler. We're partnered with all the frontier model companies. We use different models on different use cases. But the key for customers is how you apply AI to get to the best use case. In the case of our federal business, get solutions out there operationally relevant to the warfighter faster. In the case of our critical infrastructure business, It's how do I better design and predict infrastructure. So we're designing now for a 100-year life cycle instead of a 30-year life cycle, and we can use it to predict things like bridge failures, for example.

Sheila Kayalu Analyst — Jefferies

Oh, that's really neat. Maybe one more on federal solutions. Can you remind everyone what happened with the $80 million of charges in the quarter? It drove the share price down, and actually when you walk through the items, it makes a ton of sense. How do we think about the normalized profitability profile within FS?

Yeah, so to your point, Sheila, we took a $77 million charge within the quarter within our federal segment. Traditionally, federal has not had, I'll call it, performance-related issues. It's been kind of mix-related on the margin side. On a normalized basis, at the end of the year, Fed will be low 9, so call it 9.1 percent margin. We expect Fed margins to trend favorably over the next couple years on the back of products plus, you know, additional, some of this new work that's accretive margin as well. But to your question on what happened within the quarter, we had a program in a remote location. We've been kind of challenged in the past on this. We made the decision that it was in the best interest of Parsons to just exit this program. So we started negotiations with one of our subcontractors and the customer to just exit this business. So to your point, this is a one-time event. It's unfortunate that it happened within the quarter, but it will be behind us as soon as we sign a purchase agreement and get an ovation. But this is definitely a one-time event, and the Fed margins have some runway ahead of us as we get toward mid-nines over the next couple years.

Sheila Kayalu Analyst — Jefferies

So it's moved over to a sub-supplier, and that contract is now off your books?

Today it is in held for sale. It's continuing negotiations, getting through a purchase agreement and novation with the customers. So at that point, it will no longer be on the books.

Sheila Kayalu Analyst — Jefferies

And just going forward, the mid-9% going forward, how do you think about other potential programs with risk? And I think Carrie mentioned on our callback, this was one that you had on your watch list for a long time. Are there any other remote contracts or contracts that you see having feasibility issues?

Yeah, within the federal segment, there are no others. We have other programs, 3,000 programs across the portfolio. So we've always got a few that we're watching. But this one was obviously an outsized charge and risk structure that we would not bid going forward.

Speaker 2

This is a you know, very few folks that we had on in region and different things that we've You know partners and things like that logistics became difficult with the Strait of Hormuz and conflict in the Middle East So there's a whole lot of items that added up to a very difficult program And so the rest of the portfolio is much cleaner on the federal side without a doubt now on the critical infrastructure side We have three kind of MSA legacy uh construction jv contracts that we're wrapping up so the one is the one that we had historic rainfall on that we experienced during the second quarter we expect to be 90 complete on that project by the end of this year then transition over into a support service role and then the other two jv's

Sheila Kayalu Analyst — Jefferies

have been running very well can we talk about the critical infrastructure business i think you had one-time items in there as well in the quarter um what were those and how do we think about them going forward?

Speaker 2

Yeah, that was the construction joint venture that I just mentioned. That was basically the once in 100 years.

Sheila Kayalu Analyst — Jefferies

I was preparing for the next question and got distracted. And in the Middle East, I think it's within your critical infrastructure portfolio, I think Middle East represents 20% of sales. And 80% of that is three contracts that you have. So how do you think about just your Middle East growth rate going forward, and three contracts that you've performed for five decades, I believe, just being kind of relatively flat and other growth drivers driving the business?

Speaker 2

Yeah, so I would say Middle East has been an exciting area for us, one that we've had double-digit growth over the last few years and also in Q2. And the group's done a terrific job during the conflict of staying focused with over a 1-0 book to build consistently through the first half of the year. To your point, Sheila, about 80 percent of our portfolio I would call long-term contracts. So if you look, for example, at two of our three largest contracts in the Middle East, we've been performing those for five decades where we're actually the program manager for an industrial city. The other 20 percent are more what we would call project-based. So those are ones such as Qadiyah, the world's largest entertainment city, or King Salmon Park, the world's largest park. Those projects will happen because they are located around Riyadh. So the important thing right now for Saudi Arabia is they have to deliver the 2030 Expo and the 2034 World Cup. So projects that are right around Riyadh are going to be critically important. We see opportunity in the Middle East going forward, because I'm going to say post-conflict. There's a big focus right now on what they're calling domestic resilience, where you're seeing the convergence of defense, security, technology, and infrastructure come to play. And they've realized that they have to do things internally and not be dependent on external factors like the straight or her muse so there's an estimated 2.1 trillion that will be spent by the gcc countries between now and 2030 and a lot of that effort is going to go on this domestic resilience so we're very well positioned there having been in the region for seven decades with a five decade partnership with our jv partner in saudi arabia to be able to capture some of that we have projects in the defense world already today, in the security world, as far as designing border wall type of work. We do work in our traditional markets of urban development, transportation, and we've also moved into hospitality and tourism, and that's going to be an important growth driver. So excited about the Middle East business.

And Sheila, just for clarity, within the 80%, there's the three largest programs we have in the Middle East are there, but there's hundreds of programs that add up to the 80%. So the single largest program for the company in the Middle East is 1.4% of revenue, so not a ton of density there.

Sheila Kayalu Analyst — Jefferies

And you mentioned Middle East protection, but you also mentioned in Texas you're working – 14 sites in the U.S. have been attacked, and you're working with water agencies. How do you think about, like, the infrastructure protection business today, where it stands, what it includes, and how that business could grow?

Speaker 2

Yeah, this is where we think, hey, I'm going to say we have a very unique portfolio, because you have to be a company that operationally understands how these critical infrastructure sectors work, but then be a company that can deploy cyber and physical security capabilities to be able to protect those. So if you look today, a lot of our critical infrastructure work is supporting water and utility companies, again, 400 of those to date. We are involved in Project Watershed, an important initiative between the state of Texas and the White House National Cybersecurity Director on how to use Texas as a pilot project for the rest of the United States to be able to protect the water supply. For Parsons, we look at the 16 critical infrastructure sectors, and we focus on the ones where we have installed base, the ones that are highest threat-driven and the ones that are highest regulatory-driven, because that's the hardest barrier to entry and the most complex problem. So we're focused on transportation sector, the water sector, the utility sector, health care and facilities, five of those 16 sectors. So we do see that being increasingly important, not just in the United States, but also what's gone on in the Middle East with being able to help them protect their data centers, help our military protect the military facilities, and the water and utilities in the Middle East as well.

Sheila Kayalu Analyst — Jefferies

That's great. And I guess, you know, on the environmental remediation, you mentioned PFAS briefly. How do you think about that business? Somewhat adjacent, you also mentioned TRS acquisition helping that long-term view. How do you think about the PFAS remediation business growing?

Speaker 2

Yeah, so PFAS-PFAS represents a 220 total addressable market, and for us, we believe our addressable market out of that is about $40 billion. Within PFAS-PFAS, we have seven patents. We have five that are approved, two that are pending, including one patent that's called the HADESCO, which has been approved. And it basically has the ability to eliminate the PFAS molecule on site. Usually, you will take a PFAS molecule, and you have to take it to an incinerator. Our technology does not require incineration. And then we have another exciting patent that is pending on Catalyst, And that also, we believe, is going to transform the market and how you eliminate PFAS-PFAS from water, wastewater, and soil. So we think we're uniquely positioned here. We've had a research laboratory up in Syracuse, New York, that's been in place for three decades. That's where we do most of our patent work. We're also able to cover the total PFAS-PFAS life cycle. So whether it's investigations, we've done over 2,000 point-of-use investigations, over 7,000 total investigations. Then you get into the remediation and treatment, and then you have follow-on life cycle and support. Persons can cover that whole life cycle for the PFAS-PFAS. Great.

Sheila Kayalu Analyst — Jefferies

Maybe just to sum it all up, how do we think about your revenue growth profile from here and margins going forward?

Yeah, high level, I would say at the company level, we've said mid-single digit or better revenue growth going into next year, margin expansion of another 10 to 20 basis points off of the original guide for this year. So think of high nines, low tens. As we go into next year, I think the federal business has the best opportunity for margin expansion. Our critical infrastructure business has been performing quite well this year, normalized for the charge, of course, but that's north of double digits for the past six quarters now, and so the business is performing really well. We do expect some large design jobs that we'll award toward the latter half of this year and early next year, so with that comes a little bit more pass-through, so you might see a little bit of downward pressure on infrastructure margins, but purely mix-related, whereas Fed has the opportunity on both the products and then just the new business that's been awarded. So again, opportunities for margin expansion across the portfolio and strong growth at the mid-single digit or better.

Sheila Kayalu Analyst — Jefferies

Then maybe last one just to wrap it up. You guys have had consistent solid free cash flow conversion of over 100%. How do you think about, Kerry too, I'll get both of you involved in this one if that's okay. How do you think about the portfolio going forward? You've had great bolt-ons in addition to that. Is that how we think about capital allocation priorities from here.

Yeah, I'll hit free cash real quick. I have really strong free cash flow conversion. Again, this year on adjusted net income, we're going to be about 115%, so strong cash flow again this year. Some opportunities for working capital improvements over the next 12 months as well. So we see cash continuing to improve as we get into next year. To your point, acquisitions have been a big part of our capital deployment. The board did authorize an uptick in our share buyback.

Speaker 2

Obviously, the dislocation of the stock is an attractive place for us to put our capital at this point so you can think of an elevated repurchase in the second half and then you know we'll get back into M&A as we get into next year and Carrie can probably talk to them yeah I would just add to that I would say M&A is going to be critically important that's really what's enabled us to move up the value chain to bid and win larger programs and I said several examples earlier of how quickly we can turn that M&A into contract wins and into revenue drivers so that will continue to be our priority for the future we typically do about two to three acquisitions per year we've done one this year with the alter mirror acquisition great well thank you so much for being here thanks for having us thanks carrie

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