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Richardson Electronics, Ltd. Q3 FY2026 Earnings Call

Richardson Electronics, Ltd. (RELL)

Earnings Call FY2026 Q3 Call date: 2026-04-09 Concluded

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Speaker 0

Good morning, and thank you all for joining Richardson Electronics Conference Call for the third quarter of fiscal year 2026. We appreciate your continued support and interest in Richardson Electronics. Joining me today are Bob Benn, Chief Financial Officer, Wendy Dedell, Chief Operating Officer, Greg Pellequin, General Manager of our Power and Microwave Technologies and Green Energy Solutions Group, and Jens Rupert, General Manager of Canvas. As a reminder, this call is being recorded and will be available for playback. I would also like to remind you that we're making forward-looking statements. They're based on current expectations and involve risks and uncertainties. Therefore, our actual results could be materially different. Please refer to our press release and SEC's filings for an explanation of our risk factors. I am pleased to report that Richardson Electronics has now delivered seven consecutive quarters of year-over-year sales growth, reflecting continued progress in executing our multi-year strategy. Our performance this quarter was led by strong momentum in PMT, particularly in EDG and the semi-fab equipment market. Third quarter sales growth was supported by continued discipline around gross margin and operating expenses. Our performance reflects the strengths of our team as we continue to invest across the organization to build depth, technical expertise, and operating performance. I believe our efforts are positioning Richardson Electronics for sustainable long-term value creation. Looking at our third quarter FY26 results, total sales were $55.5 million, dollars, up from 53.8 million in Q3 of last year, while operating income improved to 1.5 million compared with operating loss of 2.7 million in the prior year quarter. Gross margin increased to 31.9%, an increase of 90 basis points over last year. PMT sales increased to $38.7 million, up $3.4 million year-over-year. Green energy solutions performed in line with expectations, although below the prior year due to the timing of sales, and Canvas remained profitable with a 32.2% gross margin, despite softer revenue in North America. It's important to note that this is the final quarter in which our year-over-year comparisons are affected by the sale of much of our healthcare business in Q3 of FY25. That transaction continued to impact our year-over-year sales and profitability comparisons this quarter, but it will no longer impact going forward. We also remain focused on expense discipline, working capital management, improvement and improving inventory turns. We ended Q3 with $29.5 million in cash and cash equivalents. Our order activity remained solid and total backlog increased to $151.2 million at quarter end, giving us confidence as we move forward into the final quarter of the fiscal year. We also closely are monitoring the developing situation in Iran. the related movement in energy markets, and the involving tariff environment. While these issues are creating real uncertainty for many companies, they've not had a significant impact on our business or markets at this point. We've remained disciplined in how we manage sourcing, inventory, pricing, and customer commitments. We believe that disciplined positions as well as to navigate changing trade environment. Over time, if higher conventional energy prices persist, that could further improve the economic case for certain alternative energy solutions. In any event, we're continuing to invest in and support a number of programs tied to global wind, EV, and other related power management markets. We believe initiatives underway can support attractive long-term growth opportunities for Richardson Electronics. I'll now turn the call over to Bob Benn, our Chief Financial Officer, who will provide a detailed review of our third quarter results and capital positions. Following Bob's remarks, Greg and Jens will provide updates on our business units, and then Wendy will follow up with the progress we're making executing against our multiyear growth strategies.

Speaker 8

Thank you, Ed, and good morning. I will review our financial results for our third quarter and first nine months of fiscal year 2026, followed by a review of our cash position. In addition, please note that I will be discussing non-GAAP financial measures. A reconciliation of non-GAAP items to the comparable GAAP measures is available in our third quarter fiscal year 2026 press release that was issued yesterday after the market closed. Consolidated net sales increased 3.1% to $55.5 million, compared to net sales of $53.8 million in the prior year's third quarter. When excluding health care, for which the majority of assets were sold in January 2025, net sales increased by 6.0%. Please note that health care results, including prior periods, are consolidated into the PMT segment beginning in fiscal 2026. products. This was our seventh consecutive quarterly year-over-year increase in sales. Third quarter net sales growth was led by a 9.7% increase in PMT sales, driven by significant increases in semiconductor wafer fab and RF and microwave products. Excluding health care, PMT net sales increased by 14.5%. Sales for GES were $0.5 million below the third quarter fiscal 2025 due to project timing canvas sales decreased 1.2 million which primarily reflected project timing in North America consolidated gross margin for the third quarter improved to 31.9 percent of net sales compared to 31.0 percent during the third quarter of fiscal 2025 the 90 basis point increase in consolidated gross margin was due to higher margin in PMT partially offset by lower margin in GES and Canvas. Operating expenses were $16.2 million compared to $14.5 million in the third quarter of fiscal 2025. The increase in operating expenses resulted from higher salaries and incentives associated with critical adds to staff and in support of our existing employees as well as related medical benefits and travel expenses also the operating expenses in the third quarter fiscal 2025 were historically low operating income was 1.5 million for the third quarter fiscal 2026 compared to an operating loss of 2.7 million and non-GAAP operating income of 2.2 million in the prior year's third quarter. Net income was $0.9 million for the third quarter of fiscal 2026 compared to net loss of $2.1 million and non-GAAP net income of $1.6 million in the third quarter of fiscal 2025. Earnings per common share diluted were $0.07 in the third quarter fiscal 2026 compared to net loss per common share diluted of $0.15 and non-GAAP earnings per common share diluted of $0.11 in the third quarter of fiscal 2025. EBITDA for the third quarter of fiscal 2026 was $2.2 million versus negative $2.1 million in the prior year's third quarter. Adjusted EBITDA was $2.8 million in the third quarter of fiscal 2025. Turning to a review of the results for the first nine months of fiscal year 2026, net sales were $162.4 million, an increase of 3.4% from $157.0 million in the first nine months of fiscal year 2025, which reflected higher sales across our business segments. When excluding health care, consolidated net sales increased by 7.2%, and PMT net sales increased by 8.2%. Gross margin was 31.2% of net sales, which was a 40 basis point increase from the first nine months of fiscal 2025. As a percentage of net sales, operating expenses for the first nine months of the fiscal year improved to 29.6% from 29.7% for the first nine months of the prior fiscal year. Operating income for the first nine months of fiscal year 2026 was $2.6 million as compared to an operating loss of $3.1 million and non-GAAP operating income of $1.8 million for the first nine months of fiscal year 2025. The company reported net income of $2.7 million, or $0.19 per diluted common share, for the first nine months of fiscal year 2026 versus a net loss of 2.2 million or 16 cents per diluted common share and non-gap net income of 1.4 million or 10 cents per diluted common share for the first nine months of fiscal year 2025. EBITDA for the first nine months of fiscal 2026 was 6.2 million versus negative 0.5 million in the prior year's first nine months. Adjusted EBITDA was $4.5 million in the first nine months of fiscal 2025. Turning to a review of our cash position. Cash and cash equivalents at the end of the third quarter of fiscal 2026 were $29.5 million compared to $33.1 million at the end of the second quarter of fiscal 2026. This use of cash primarily related to higher inventory associated with final buys from a critical supplier. Capital expenditures of $0.8 million in the third quarter of fiscal 2026 were primarily related to our manufacturing business, facilities improvements, and IT systems, versus $0.5 million in the third quarter of fiscal 2025. We paid $0.9 million in the third quarter for cash dividends. In addition, based on our current financial position, our Board of Directors declared a regular quarterly cash dividend of $0.06 per common share, which will be paid in the fourth quarter of fiscal 2026. As of the end of the third quarter of fiscal 2026, the company had no outstanding debt on its revolving line of credit with PNC Bank. Now I will turn the call over to Greg, who will provide more details for our PMT and GES business groups.

Speaker 10

Thank you, Bob, and good morning, everyone. GES and PMT remain key components of our multi-year growth plan, and the progress we are making is encouraging. Coming out of FY25, we had a number of strategic imperatives, including developing a strong backlog, launching several new products, expanding our customer base, and advancing multiple development programs from beta testing to pre-production. I am pleased to report that we continued this momentum through the first three quarters of FY26. Starting with GES, backlog for our core PEM products included the Ultra 3000 multi-brand offerings, grew 15% in Q3 as more companies adopted our key products across a broader set of applications and expanded globally. Year-to-date bookings from our key products, including PEMs and multi-brand solutions, had a high double-digit growth rate versus prior year. That booking strength positions us well for Q4 and a strong FY26 with forecasted double-digit revenue growth as well as supporting continued momentum in the FY27. Coming out of 39% growth in Q2, GES sales were down 5.4% in Q3 versus the prior year. However, after three quarters, both sales and bookings are up versus prior year. And in our most recent second quarter, we had significant sales growth in our core business, including PEMS, startup modules, and global expansion of key products, which helped offset softer year-over-year growth results in Q3, mainly in components business, as our mix continues to shift towards engineered solutions. We are also beginning to experience longer lead times for certain components due to precious metals supply constraints. These factors contributed to sales being down, but in no way indicate the underlying strength of the business. Within GES, we saw progress across three key growth opportunities. First, we experienced growth adoption of our PEM modules across multiple wind turbine platforms and owner-operators around the world. We also booked our first DES program in Q3, which began shipping in Q4. In addition, Q3 was strong for our locomotive products, including starter modules and superstructures. Across these programs, testing continues to progress well with our key customers, as we feel this will help us achieve double-digit growth again in FY27. Our GES growth strategy remains centered around power management applications. We've rapidly designed multiple products, secured patents, and built a strong global base of customers and partners. Our success is evident in our growing sales pipeline as we capitalize on numerous growth opportunities tied to evolving power management requirements and significant entity transformation initiatives. We serve dozens of wind turbine owner and operators, including exclusive partnerships with the top four owner-operators of GE Wind Turbines, RWE, Inver Energy, Enel, and Exdera. We also saw growth from our new multi-brand PEM platforms. We continue to grow this program internationally, expanding into Europe and Asia with new products for other turbine platforms, including Suzlan, Senvian, Nordex, and SSB. We have now received orders from customers in Brazil, Australia, India, France, and Italy, in addition to our strong rollout in North America. Turning to PMT and excluding the legacy healthcare business, sells for $38 million in the quarter, a 14.5% increase over the prior year. This reflects a slight slowdown in the electron device MRO business, more than offset by growth in the RFNW's components business, which had a strong growth in SATCOM, radar, and microwave communications, and strong growth in the semiconductor wafer fab market. We are excited about the positive feedback from our semi-fab customers, expressing ongoing optimism and continued growth going into our FY27. Across both segments, one of the most important priorities accelerating the design to production cycles, We are expanding our design capabilities to move more products more quickly from concept into manufacturing and tests in LaFox. We are also adding experienced industry talent to help expedite growth. Our Illinois-based design center, intended to showcase our BES solutions, which we had expected to be operating in Q4 FY26, is now more likely to come online in Q1 FY27. Even so, we are still quoting numerous opportunities throughout North America, including shipping our first system this month. More broadly, we are investing in infrastructure, expanding our design and field engineering teams, enhancing our in-house design and manufacturing capabilities to support growing demand and innovation. Our field engineering team continues to identify new customers and opportunities across our end markets. We continue to gain market share by developing new products and solutions that are accepted by our customers. Our Sweetwater Texas Design Center is finalizing several new products that will generate new revenue in FY27. Looking ahead, we are encouraged by the strategic initiatives underway across PMT and GES, including our ESS program, global expansion of our key products, and new technology partnerships. Our global capabilities and global go-to-market strategy continue to differentiate us from our competition in power management, RF and microwave, and green energy markets. By combining legacy products and new technology partners and engineered solutions, we believe we are well-positioned to deliver continued growth. In summary, we remain optimistic about a growing project-based business, even though quarterly timing can be difficult to forecast. We continue to expand our technology partnerships, design opportunities, and engineered resources while addressing technology gaps with new partners and solutions. We believe FY26 will be another growth year for both PMT and GES with solid momentum going into FY27. And with that, I'll turn it over to Jens to discuss Canvas.

Speaker 6

Thanks, Greg, and good morning, everyone. Canvas designs, engineers, manufacturers themselves custom displays to original equipment manufacturers across global industrial and medical markets. It is our mission to deliver high-quality display solutions tailored to our customers' needs. Canvas reported revenues of $8.0 million in the third quarter of fiscal year 2026, compared with $9.2 million in the same quarter of the previous year. As we have said before, our business remains project-focused and can vary from quarter to quarter based on customer program timing. On a year-to-day basis, revenues were at $25.0 million, up from $23.7 million in the comparable period last year. Our gross margin as a percentage of net sales was 32.2% in the third quarter, compared with 33.2% in the third quarter fiscal year 25. While product mix and freight duty and other supply chain-related costs affected the year-over-year comparison, margin remained at a healthy level. The backlog at the end of the third quarter of fiscal year 2026 increased to $38.2 million, up from $38.0 million at the end of the second quarter, providing a strong foundation as we move into Q4. The quarter unfolded against the backdrop of the global economy that remains resilient overall, but uneven across regions. While trade policy shifts, tariffs on logistic markets continue to create pockets of uncertainty. In response, we state focus on disciplined execution, close customer collaboration, and maintaining the operational flexibility needed to support customer schedules. During this most recent quarter, Canvas secured orders from both repeat and new Medical OEM customers for a range of applications. Our primary focus remains on robotic-assisted surgery, navigation, endoscopy, and human-machine interface solutions for the control of medical devices. At the same time, our solutions continue to support a broad set of commercial and industrial applications, including passenger information systems in trains and buses, as well as HMI technologies used in printing, vending, milling, and packaging equipment. Our initiatives remain centered on increasing Canvas' visibility and market leadership by developing new opportunities, deepening customer relationships, and converting our pipeline into additional design wins and production programs. We have also recently added to our sales leadership team and continue to strengthen our supply chain flexibility and execution capabilities so we can respond effectively as customer demand patterns evolve. Looking ahead, while the difference remains project-focused and can vary quarter by quarter, we are encouraged by the level of customer engagement, our requests for quote activity, and the quality of our opportunity pipeline. With backlogs now at $38.2 million and our Q4 forecast looking very promising, we believe we are well positioned for a strong finish to the fiscal year. Our dedicated sales teams continue to pursue new opportunities while I remain focused on executing our strategic plans to try sustainable growth and deliver long-term value for our shareholders. I will now turn the call over to Wendy.

Speaker 1

Thanks, Jens, and good morning, everyone. As a reminder, the remaining portion of our health care business, including the manufacture and repair of certain CT tubes, is now recorded under PMT. Under the January 2025 supply agreement with DirectMed, DirectMed is our sole customer for our CT tubes. Since the health care divestiture closed in Q3 of FY25, Q3 of FY26 should mark the end of the tough year-over-year comparisons. During the quarter, we wrapped up production of our Alta tubes, and we're now focused entirely on repairing Siemens tubes. We shipped a limited number of repaired Stratton Z tubes during the quarter. We also completed life testing on the MX series and are now building beta tubes. These must run for at least 60 days in the field without failure before we can launch the rest of the series. With the completion of the ALTA build-out and continued expansion of the Siemens Repair Program, we expect that to translate into a meaningful improvement in our bottom line starting in FY27. Stepping back to our multi-year strategy, we remain focused on two primary operating priorities, accelerating growth and improving efficiency. The third quarter, particularly February, was a good indicator of performance. This was driven by the strength we're seeing in the semiconductor wafer fab market, as AI continues to lift equipment demand globally. We also launched new programs in our Green Energy Solutions business unit, including the long-awaited Sulan India program. We're concentrating our new-term development efforts on several products that we expect will contribute to sales growth in calendar year 2027. A key example is the battery energy storage solutions Greg mentioned. Our best strategy is supported by our decades of engineering know-how, bringing emergency applications to market, a world-class battery energy storage design center at our LaFox facility launching in FY27, and our more recent experience developing power modules for world-class wind and rail customers. We're seeing the commercial and industrial storage market become more attractive as customers put a higher priority on resiliency, power quality, and managing energy costs at the site level. That's especially true in applications where downtime is expensive and distributed storage can solve an immediate operating issue. For us, the opportunity isn't just overall market growth. It's turning those real customer needs into a repeatable pipeline of commercial projects. Within our Made in America growth strategy, we're seeing credible evidence that the U.S.-based production and investments have been increasing, particularly around factory construction and reshoring. Initially, we have focused on leveraging our existing customer and supplier relationships, along with targeted outbound marketing to highlight our U.S. engineering and manufacturing capabilities. While we've added several small programs that will begin shipping in the coming weeks, we remain actively engaged in the quote and prototype stage on several programs with larger companies nearing $1 million in potential annualized revenue. We expect our Made in America strategy to expand over time. Recent new program wins provide us with growing confidence in the need for our capabilities, while also helping us fully utilize our factory and resources over the near term. Turning to efficiency and cash generation, we're pleased to share that the multi-year inventory investment we made around a single critical supplier is now complete. We believe this investment in inventory will support our business through 2030. We've also identified alternative suppliers with enough lead time to protect continuity, quality, and our ability to meet customer demand. More broadly, we remain focused on controlling inventory and improving turns across all our segments. Without this one supplier, our inventory levels are trending down. We've also kicked off a disciplined, cost-controlled effort to evaluate where AI can help us, including an enterprise-wide AI steering committee with multiple working groups. The intent is to exit a 90-day period with some early wins and a practical roadmap focused on high ROI use cases across our global operations, driving efficiency, improving decision-making, and reducing manual work. We're keeping this tightly scoped and milestone-driven, leveraging internal teams so we can capture real benefits without meaningful incremental costs. Looking further out, we remain focused on driving growth through a mix of organic initiatives and a disciplined approach to acquisitions. We're evaluating opportunities thoughtfully with an emphasis on areas where we can leverage our existing capabilities and global infrastructure. We believe the initiatives we're executing today position us well to accelerate revenue growth and improve profitability over time. And we'll stay patient and selective as we consider longer-term acquisition opportunities. With that, I'll turn it back to Ed.

Speaker 0

Thanks, Wendy. In closing, our third quarter results reflect the continued progress in strengthening the financial profile of the business. We delivered our year-over-year sales growth, improved gross margin, and generating operating income. We also believe our exposure to select alternative energy and EV programs provides an additional avenue for long-term growth as market conditions continue to evolve. With a strong balance sheet, increasing backlog, a continued focus on repeatable sales, operational discipline, higher-value engineered solutions, we believe Richardson Electronics is well-positioned to build on this momentum. We remain committed to improving profitability and creating sustainable value for our shareholders, customers, and employees as we move forward. We'll now open the call for questions.

Speaker 12

As a reminder, to ask a question, please press star 11 on your telephone and wait for your name to be announced. To withdraw your question, please press star 11 again. Ladies and gentlemen, due to time constraints, we ask that you please limit yourself to one question and one follow-up. Again, we ask that you please limit yourself to one question and a follow-up until all have had a chance to ask a question after which we will answer additional questions from you as time permits please stand by while we compile the q a roster and our first question comes from anya soderstrom with sidodian company your line is open good morning anya good morning this is Justin on for Anya.

Speaker 5

Hi Justin.

Speaker 2

Following the March launch of your laser slat saver solution, can you discuss how customer interest, initial adoption, and order activity has trended?

Speaker 10

What do you think?

Speaker 9

Yeah, so right now we've identified on our system, so just real quickly, all of our customers on our system are applied one to three application codes. And so we started our customer base like we do with any new product introduction of any customers that will be working in an application that would need that product. So the team has done that. They mailed out sales tools to get with them. They're having a show this quarter when they're going to feature it in the booth. So right now they're getting a lot of requests for more data, more information, but it's in the infancy chase of its launch.

Speaker 2

Thanks for the caller there. Then can you provide more detail on the project timing dynamics within GES this quarter, and how we should think about revenue contribution and project conversion in the fourth quarter?

Speaker 9

Yeah. It's a very project-based business, which as we've mentioned, it's very hard to forecast quarter over quarter. Prime example of that is in Q2, we grew 39 percent. And the backlog with GES is very, very strong. It's close to 40 million. But that's a backlog that was generated over the past four years. And in those four years, these products didn't exist. We identified the opportunity, we did the design work, we did the manufacturing testing, and then the field alpha beta testing. So the backlog is ordered based on annual contracts of 12 months large quantities large dollars and then they pull off of that so in q2 they pulled a lot of the issues in terms of they were designing it in in the field putting into their turbines and then in q3 we saw sales not be as high as we would like but backlog and bookings continued to grow as they you know pull off of these programs the good news is is the eight plus million dollars we shipped in GS was pulled off of backlog and current purchase orders. The backlog stayed flat actually is up a little bit. That's new business, new customers, and new products that keeps that backlog at $40 million. So we're very confident that we're meeting our objectives in terms of adding sales growth, adding increase in backlog, increasing our customer base, and increasing the number of products that we've developed in our design centers. We've done all of that this year, and as of the end of the third quarter, sales are up, backlog is up, and we're looking for a Q2 type growth in our Q4 and going into FY27 looking for again double digit growth. So we're very confident and happy with our backlog and the customers that are adopting these products as we introduce them. Thanks. I'll turn it back.

Speaker 5

Thanks, Justin.

Speaker 12

Thank you. Our next question comes from Bobby Brooks with Northland Capital Markets. Your line is open. Hey, good morning, team. Thank you for taking my question.

Speaker 4

It was great to see the backlog growth exiting the third quarter. Just wanted to dive a bit deeper into that, specifically with the PMT stuff. is what specific end market or customers or products drove that strength in the PMT backlog growth?

Speaker 9

Yeah, in Q3 specifically on the GES side, it was our international growth.

Speaker 4

PMT, PMT, on the PMT stuff.

Speaker 9

Oh, on PMT, it was our semiconductor wafer fab customers and then RF and wireless components going into SATCOM applications and aerospace and defense. Those two had very nice quarters and also an increase in backlog. So, for PMT, it was specific to our semi-fab customers and our RF and microwave components business.

Speaker 4

Got it. And then on GES, right, it's like up slightly, the core backlog up more, and you gave some color to Justin on the last question. But what I was kind of confused, so the backlog is ordered based on annual contracts, So, like, you're getting one order at the beginning of the year from a customer saying, okay, we want X amount of Ultra 3000s this year, and then they pull from that. Like, do they have to – like, do they have to – if they order 100 Ultra capacitors, do they need to take all 100 in the year?

Speaker 9

Exactly, Bobby. so they give us an order for an annual usage of their forecast, but they could order one unit or pull one unit off of let's say 100 pieces like you talked about at the beginning of the year and at the end of the 12 months they could take the other 99 or they could take 25 a quarter. It's very hard because with them it's all based on the time of year, the weather, the wind speed. That's why we carry such a large inventory because they'll literally look at a weather report and find that the wind speeds will be down this certain week in a certain month and ask us to ship that month. So that's kind of how it's really hard to say what the sales will be and then the backlog because these annual contracts. But Bobby, the good news is when you see $8 million in shipments that were pulled off of current orders, if the backlog stays the same, that's new orders from other customers that were coming in. And just overall, a $40 million backlog generated on products that didn't exist four years ago, it is a strong backlog, even if it stayed at 40.

Speaker 4

Yeah, I agree with that. And so one more clarification point. So we're walking down the road of annual order. Someone orders 100 units, and let's say they pull 20 or they do 25, 25, 25. so then you would be expecting they should be pulling 25 in the fourth quarter. Do they – like, are they – guess the purpose of the question is, are they contractually obligated to hit that number that they pledged to, or can they push it over to the next – okay, so, like, you already know how many – Yeah, so they give us the quantity.

Speaker 9

Based on that quantity, we give them a price. Obviously, if quantity is larger, they get a better price. And they give us the PO, and their commitment is to take those products over a 12-month period. Okay, got it.

Speaker 4

And then just, like, if you had a rank order, what would be the three most compelling near-term, call it over the next 12 months, opportunities you see in the GES segment and why?

Speaker 9

Well, the first one is because we're quoting opportunities between two and 20 million is the BES. Obviously, those bookings would be huge in a given quarter. The other two going into FY27 and some in FY26 is new products coming out of our Sweet Water Design Center. We have a new PEM coming out for the 20 Newton meter turbines throughout the world. We have a number of accessory, walk-home accessory products, the turbine guard and others that will be just finishing up beta testing now. Absolutely fantastic performance. We've ordered all the housings and starting to bring in products so we can start shipping that and booking and shipping that in Q1 of FY27. So the three would be DES and then a handful of new products, mainly the 20 Newton meter. we see that a very large growth area for us and then these turbine guards which go into every turbine that we've ever sold a pitch energy module in so we have a captured audience we have the contacts and that's usually what takes the most amount of time when you're introducing a new product who are the people that make the decisions on and on and on well we've already worked with most of them for four years so so somebody's kind of new products and then and then the major the big BES strategy that we're implementing, right? We're in the very infancy stages of that.

Speaker 4

Appreciate that, Colin. Then just last one for me is just a little bit more color on so that the BES, you know, demo plan, that timeline of it getting up is slid to the right by a quarter. What happened there? And could you just remind us on the CapEx required for that and just the specs of the plant?

Speaker 9

Yeah. Yeah, so it has nothing to do with us, really, and if you've ever built a new house in a rural area, it's getting all the hookups. They have to increase the transformer and getting something like that through ComEd. I don't know who you use, Bobby, but here in Illinois, it's just time consuming. But we do have, and they committed to it, we have a weekly call with them now, but it's just very time consuming to get them to get the grid set up that we can put in the demo center so we can also then obviously sell back into the grid, but we'll probably proceed without it. We might just put it in place so people can see it, see how it's hooked up to our facility because obviously we're going to use it here and then move forward. So that's kind of the status of the VES. We've just like the other programs we've done in the past with the RF and microwave components and then the what we call Project Turbo internally here, which is the engineered solutions. We've identified technology partners. We feel we have a couple of very strong ones for this strategy. One that will support us in the Americas, another one that will support us globally. And that's what we're using right now to do these quotes, so we're not waiting and running in place. We're out looking for opportunities. And as you know, we identified one in 16-page proposal, and we won it in December. And I can tell you it's already been shipped this quarter, Bobby, about $570,000 or $590,000, our first system.

Speaker 4

I'll return it to Q. Congrats on the strong quarter.

Speaker 9

Bobby, you're not going to ask me about GE? I waited and waited. I got good news for you. I didn't put it in. Oh, he's off? I'll talk to you later, Bobby. So just to add to that, we have this program going with GE that they, for installers that are GE installers for customers that have service agreements, they needed to test our product because obviously right now they're using lead acid batteries in these service agreements and they have a installation manual with all the safety characteristics. So they just have to match our product up with their lead acid batteries and make sure the ESR, there's no difference, which we already know there's not. Then they can put the design in an installation manual with check off from safety. So anybody that has a GE service contract and uses GE to do the service, they can now tell them, which they've been trying to do, to use our pitch energy modules and don't replace the lead acid batteries of lead acid batteries. So very positive, Bobby. We tested it here, it passed. I talked to Mike Rodkin yesterday, and he's just going to finish it up. So hopefully in Q1, knock on wood, that program will be all signed off and we'll be up and Are you on the phone?

Speaker 12

Our next question comes from Ross Taylor with ARS Investment Partners. Your line is open.

Speaker 11

Yeah, thank you very much. Going over your balance sheet, it looks like you've got north of $11 a share in book value. It looks like over 80% of that book value is current assets, net current assets. And obviously, I'm curious in getting to how much of the inventory line is the tallest inventory you've built up, and how rapidly do you anticipate converting that inventory into cash?

Speaker 5

So we've got about $45 million in TALIS inventory, and we've been communicating over the past several years we will have enough inventory to take us through 2030, so we're in good shape there. We are done with the purchases, so what you'll start to see now in Q4 and obviously going into the next several years is burning down that inventory level. And as I mentioned, the team has done a phenomenal job of reducing inventory with our other suppliers. So I think you're going to see that via cap generation going forward.

Speaker 11

Okay. And the fact that you found qualified replacement suppliers makes you comfortable and should allow you to perhaps do that at a faster pace than might have been the case if you weren't able to find those.

Speaker 5

I wouldn't say we're going to sell off the inventory quicker because of that. It gives us comfort that we're never going to be in a position where we lose sales because we don't have product.

Speaker 11

Okay. And that's important. Can you talk about a couple areas? One, initiatives you have, you've talked about the idea of getting more recurring business. I think one of the drawbacks the stock has suffered from historically is the high volatility in earnings. So can you talk about both, you know, the progress on those initiatives and how we should see it as investors, how we should see the fruits of that in a more stable earnings, you know, or less downside to earnings, bluntly? And then along with that, will you also talk about the potential opportunities in the idea of artificial diamonds? You're hearing a lot of talk on the leading edge in the AI chip space that silicon has limitations to heat transfer and heat absorption and that it turns out that artificial diamonds apparently work quite well in that. And so there's, from my understanding, there's an initiative to push forward with turning artificial diamonds into substrate and how you might benefit from your involvement in that space.

Speaker 5

Let me, that's two very different, long questions. Let me start with the second one. Yeah, but you've only given me two, so I've got to get them. That counts to be more than two. All right, artificial diamonds. We are dealing with a couple of very large customers that make those types of substrates for cooling AI. It's still using, as you call them, artificial diamonds, but still in its early phases. We have shipped them, I think it's three now, microwave generators, large generators. That's the Great Lakes Crystal Technology Company that's making those. So we will continue to participate with companies like that using our microwave generators. So it's a good opportunity, and we hear the same things you do, Ross. Now, on recurring revenue, on looking around the room here a little bit, But I'll start with the easy part of that, which is we consider a lot of our EDG, our core business, as being recurring revenue, not in the sense that it's service contracts like you might be looking for, but it's recurring in that we basically have the tubes to fit those sockets, and those tubes have a limited shelf life, or not shelf life, but usage life. So, when those tubes fail, then they come back to us and they order them again. That's the strength of the MRO business and the EDG business in particular. Now, if you're talking more about service agreements and contracts, I'm going to turn that over to Greg and let him address that.

Speaker 9

Yeah, just a couple things to add also to jump in what Wendy said. But most of our RF and microwave semiconductor customers are looking at diamond substrates for semiconductors. It's becoming a technology of choice, going from GAN and silicon carbide, now diamond. So we hope that continues because they're going to need different equipment, which will come from our semi-wafer fab customers that are building this type of equipment and then hopefully using, obviously, our products that we make here. On the reoccurring revenue, Wendy hit it on the head. You know, we have a very obviously very strong base business. We call it legacy. I call it legendary. The two business. And that is pretty consistent, you know, plus or minus 2% or 3%. Obviously very profitable. And so we're using some of those profits but also that base business, including the customers, to bring in new products. And, you know, we have forecasts for every product we introduce based on the number of customers, TAMs, DTAMs, all that stuff, and when we introduce a product, we have a very high confidence level that it will go into production and that we can start gaining market share. So it's just a pretty much standard model in that we have a very strong base business, and then we continue to bring into that those similar type markets, power management and are for microwave, which are also tubes, and bringing new products with the state-of-the-art technology that we can design, manufacture, and test here.

Speaker 11

And can I throw one quick theoretical question in for Ed? I mean, frequently, Ed, the stock trades at or even under book value. The book value, as I noted, is over 80% current assets. It strikes me as replacement value for your assets. it's probably a significantly higher number than book value. Does it frustrate you? And what do we need to do to get investors to recognize that this company actually should trade at a more meaningful premium to book?

Speaker 0

Well, I think we just need to continue the development of the new programs we're talking about. You know, every quarter, I'm sure this is coming up, our board talks about whether or not we should buy our stock back. And we've gone through that program in the past, and every time we buy the stock back and reduce our cash, the price of the stock would go down, so there was no benefit to And the real answer to your question is to continue to develop these new programs and increase the business and the profit generated by the new programs.

Speaker 11

And I wasn't going to bang my head on the buyback.

Speaker 7

I tried to add it to you.

Speaker 11

Well, we're just in different places. I actually would argue your buybacks haven't been a failure. You know, we can do that intellectually at some other point in time. But, no, I do think it's an area, and I do think that these initiatives to, you know, capitate the downside in earnings numbers will pay tremendous benefit from a shareholder standpoint because it simply will take away that downside risk and might give the sales side a little bit more courage to actually value the business more uh more appropriately thanks thank you thank you as a reminder to ask a question please press star one one on your telephone again let us star one one to ask a question our next question comes from chip rudy with rui asset management asset management

Speaker 3

all right good morning guys um it it sounds very very positive i mean it really feels like you guys are tipping to an inflection point um in a dozen areas and i guess i'll just ask specifically if you could talk about two um one you know semi-capex has been the historical volatility for you guys it's been in a tremendous down cycle for a couple years but you've you know industry-wide have seen people like micron talk about chips sold out for years and and massive capital um investment by them and others so um what are you seeing on that how much of it could you play in and and how would that shake out as far as future orders um kind of over the next two or three years if that cycle develops the way some of the larger industry players see. And then secondly, congratulations on that GE warranty. I was going to ask it too. So just to clarify, it's approved, it's baked. Have you actually signed off or you still need to? And just for clarity, that does open about 50% of the market that you haven't been able to touch. So just some more color on how meaningful that could be. Okay, thank you.

Speaker 9

Yeah, so the situation we have, the team obviously has done a great job selling to owner-operators. As you know, we have exclusive agreements with the top four, but these owner-operators do not have service contracts with GE. They bought a GE turbine, but they service it themselves so they can do with it whatever they want with the turbine. There's other customers and that number has become lower than we originally thought. It's a much smaller percent of the owner operators that actually have GE contracts, but it's still worth this process. And so our part, they're not testing to see if it works. We've sold over 84,000 of these to date with SigSigma-like quality. We're on their website already. What this program is, is if you have a service agreement with GE and you're using GE to do that service, they have to go through and make sure that product that you now want to install meets all the safety requirements of a GE. safety manual and so we're the good news is they sent us the spec that they're going to test we've already tested the product every one of them has worked perfectly matched up with that we are still have sent products to them they're going through the testing and again i hope this is completed by q1 but just like the nda and this agreement that we have with them and I can't say GE anymore, I have to say a large wind turbine manufacturer. It's just those companies that are that large, it just takes time. But very positive, working directly with them, they're going to do the final tests on the product. What they're doing is just making sure that the ESR matches up the same with the battery, then they don't even have to change a manual because there's no technical changes to the product and in the installation. Plus, as you know, we designed and developed a discharge tool that's becoming more and more popular that actually discharges all the energy in the cells in the ultra caps before you put it in and then before you take So that's kind of the scenario with it. It's worth millions of dollars to us, but it's not a 50% increase in our SAM. It's probably about 15 to 20% increase in our opportunity or serve available market Does that explain it a little bit better? Yes, great.

Speaker 5

And then your other question was regarding the semi-market, the first question.

Speaker 3

Yeah, it's been kind of a down cycle for a few years from kind of the fab guys are talking about really needing to step up. How could that pull through to you over the next two to three years?

Speaker 5

Yeah, I think that what you're going to see is continued good growth in that particular part of our business, right?

Speaker 9

Yeah, I think what you're going to see is you're still going to have cycles, but this cycle that we're seeing now, especially in their forecast and what they're putting in the portal that we have with them in terms of their forecast, I think the upside is going be longer than we've seen it in the past just because of all the things that many of you mentioned on the phone with the need for more second doctors, data centers, the whole thing that this upside should last longer versus the six to 12 months cycles that we've seen in the past. That's the other benefit of this. Then while that's growing before the cyclical part of it, we will hopefully be bringing in new products to, you know, balance out the downsides of the semi-mechanic wafer fat market. So when it does pick up the use of a better term, it's gravy to our overall results.

Speaker 12

Okay. Thank you. Thank you.

Speaker 5

Thanks, Chip.

Speaker 12

Thank you. And our final question comes from Andrew Rem with Odinson Partners. Your line is open.

Speaker 2

Hi, Andrew.

Speaker 12

Andrew, please check mute button.

Speaker 7

Greg, could you give what the backlog for PMT was in the quarter? Do you have that for me, Bob?

Speaker 5

I have it. The backlog for PMT at the end of the quarter was $75.4 million.

Speaker 7

Okay. So that was up pretty substantially. I mean, I think you guys said in your prepared comments, up 15% or maybe a little bit higher.

Speaker 9

Backlog overall. Excuse me.

Speaker 7

So total backlog is around 153, 155, somewhere in there?

Speaker 5

151.2.

Speaker 7

And then in the past, you've commented on what the semi-wafer backlog has been. Can you comment on that or just maybe even in rough terms?

Speaker 5

We'll just tell you it's up.

Speaker 7

And then I guess you commented on the inventory. I didn't check, but for the fails inventory, will you guys put a footnote in your Q&K as you work that down through time, or what would be the best way to kind of get at, like, because As you said, excluding fails, overall inventory is down, so I think that's kind of an important metric here. So if you don't provide it as a footnote, I guess I would encourage you to do so because I think that's pretty important. You guys have worked hard on reducing overall inventory, so I think that's important to this story.

Speaker 5

Thanks, Andrew. We'll take that under advisement.

Speaker 7

All right. Thanks, you guys. great quarter.

Speaker 5

Thanks Andrew. Good hearing from you.

Speaker 12

Thank you. This concludes the question and answer session. I would now like to turn it back to Ed Richardson for closing remarks.

Speaker 0

Well, thanks again for joining us today and your questions. We look forward to talking to you again in July. We're happy to take your calls anytime. So feel, you know, we're happy to take the calls and we're welcome to call us anytime thank you very much this concludes today's conference call thank you for participating you may now disconnect

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