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World Kinect Corp Q4 FY2020 Earnings Call

World Kinect Corp (WKC)

Earnings Call FY2020 Q4 Call date: 2021-02-25 Concluded

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Okay, we're back on. Sorry for the delay. So it's the music, but hopefully everybody can hear. If not, please figure out a way to contact us. So we're assuming everyone's hearing. So thank you, Glenn, and good evening, everyone. It's good to be here today. As we all know, it's been a year like no other. It was a year when our company, our country and the world were challenged in ways never before experienced. It was also a year in which we learned a lot about ourselves and each other, about how we respond to emergencies, to rapid change, to having our personal and business lives turned upside down, and the health of our family and employees put at risk. The pandemic impacted some businesses more than others. Please support the industries that have been among the most impacted. World Fuel was the ultimate stress test, and I could not be more pleased with and proud of the incredible job our global teams did during this extraordinarily challenging year. We did not miss a beat for our customers or suppliers in any part of our business activity or in any part of our global operations, not one. We absorbed risk, performed our operations with excellence and improved our safety metrics along the way. We maintained and enhanced our commercial, operational and financial position as the counterparty of choice to the global aviation, marine and land-based industries. I could not be more proud of the dedication and efforts of our team and the outcomes they drove in this difficult, risky and volatile year. We have been fire-tested and are stronger for it. Today, all of our businesses are strong, and our employees are ready to respond to the resurgence in passenger travel and commercial activity in aviation, marine and land as local and global markets reopen. The work that we have done over the year on talent, leadership and culture has better positioned us to execute on delivering and scaling our existing diverse energy and last-mile logistics solutions to end users. Our aviation, marine and land businesses continue to refine and enhance their offerings and expand their global networks. We have clearly demonstrated — they clearly demonstrated — the strategic value in their markets during the most stressful time in history. Our energy management business continued to evolve its natural gas, power, wind, solar, carbon and renewables activities, and as I said last quarter, this business is breaking into stride. We provided robust energy management advisory services to a broad base of locally run businesses in 55 countries. We sourced renewable energy from our portfolio of 190 renewable power plants. We concluded solar power agreements with various communities as well as agreements with utility-scale solar projects for Fortune 500 companies. We've managed and sold growing volumes of electricity and natural gas. Throughout all of our businesses, we were supporting our clients' pathways to lowering their carbon footprint and meeting their growing ESG agendas by procuring and selling carbon credits, sustainable aviation fuel and renewable diesel. As I said last quarter, the reception from the market to our sustainability offerings did accelerate. Society has passed the tipping point on climate action, and we are well positioned to serve the sustainability needs of the market. Last quarter, I mentioned our government and military activity and the synergy of our commercial activities. While our core in-theater business has experienced substantial declines as a result of troop withdrawals in Afghanistan, I am confident we will be building out a more diverse portfolio of business activities within this sector, which leverages our commercial, operational and expeditionary capabilities. As I have said in the past, our military activity and expertise has positively influenced our commercial practices. The military veterans that work shoulder to shoulder within our organization continue to help us drive operational excellence. We are grateful for your service and contribution to our success, and are committed to hiring and supporting military service members throughout our global organization. In addition to participating in what is rapidly moving from an energy transition to an energy revolution, we are also participating in the digital transition. We are digitizing more transactions, documents and communications every day and moving hundreds of suppliers and customers to our PPIs and portal solutions, all with the purpose of reducing costs, lowering our and our customers' and suppliers' partner footprint and increasing value by improving operational integration with the markets we serve. We are taking our large and liquid analog transportation fuel marketplace and turning it into a digital energy ecosystem, and we're doing this with smaller teams and better performance as a function of focusing on diverse talent and thinking, and a collaborative culture. In 2020, our global team showed great strength of character, tremendous resilience, uncommon grit and a relentless determination and burning desire to do well. I want to sincerely thank each and every one of you. Now I'll turn the call over to Ira for a financial review, followed by Q&A.

Ira Birns CFO

Thanks, Mike. Good evening. Ladies and gentlemen, I hope you enjoyed the extra music. Sorry about that again. But before I begin my financial review, I would also like to reiterate Mike's sentiments and send a special thank you to our global team who adapted quickly to a rapidly changing environment and supported our business with tremendous resilience throughout 2020. Last year was one that brought unforeseeable challenges to our business and the markets we serve. But we couldn't be prouder of what our company accomplished in the face of such extraordinary challenges. While uncertainty still looms, the proverbial light at the end of the tunnel seems to be creeping a bit closer, and we are very confident that our resilient business model will bounce back as the markets we serve begin to recover. More positive news is coming out every day regarding vaccination rates and trends in COVID activity, and the progress that is being made should be very encouraging to us all. I'll provide additional details regarding what we have done to strengthen our company during 2020 as I give a more detailed review of our fourth quarter and full year financial results. As usual, please note that the following figures exclude the impact of non-operational items as highlighted in our news release. The non-operational income and expense items for the quarter and full year principally relate to the gain on the sale of our multi-service business, most of which was recorded in the third quarter, as well as acquisition, divestiture, impairment and restructuring-related expenses. To assist you with reconciling results published in our earnings release, the breakdown of the non-operational items can be found on our website and on the last slide of today's webcast presentation. Now let's begin with some of the fourth quarter and full year highlights. Consolidated volumes for the fourth quarter increased 3.5% sequentially to 3.5 billion gallons. For the full year, our consolidated volume was 14.4 billion gallons, which is down approximately 26% compared to 2019, mostly related to the pandemic's impact on our commercial aviation business. Adjusted fourth quarter net income and earnings per share were $1 million and $0.02 per share, respectively. Adjusted full year net income and earnings per share were $74 million, or $1.15 per share for the full year. Adjusted EBITDA was $45 million in the fourth quarter and $261 million for the full year. And lastly, we generated another $114 million of cash flow from operations during the fourth quarter, which contributed to a record $604 million of cash flow from operations for the full year, further strengthening our balance sheet amid the ongoing pandemic. Consolidated revenues for the fourth quarter were $4.7 billion, again negatively impacted by the continued effects of COVID-19 on our segment volumes as well as a 25% decline in average fuel prices compared to 2019. For the full year, consolidated revenue was $20.4 billion, that's a decrease of $16.5 billion, or 45%, when compared to 2019, with the decline driven by the same factors as the fourth quarter. Our aviation segment volume was 1.1 billion gallons in the fourth quarter, actually up 12% sequentially, but still well below pre-COVID activity levels. Strength in cargo operations and business aviation was offset by continued weakness in global commercial passenger aviation activity. Fourth quarter spikes in COVID activity led to reinstituted mandated quarantines and other forms of travel restrictions in much of Europe, the Americas and even Asia. These restrictions are expected to remain in place for the balance of the first quarter. However, COVID cases, hospitalizations and vaccination rates all seem to finally be trending in the right direction, which should begin to result in relaxed travel restrictions. This is leading to growing optimism for a reasonable recovery of commercial aviation activity, potentially beginning as early as sometime during the second quarter and into the third quarter of this year. For the full year, volume in our aviation segment was 4.7 billion gallons, which is a 3.8 billion gallon decline, or 45%, compared to 2019, again for the same obvious reasons. Volume in our marine segment for the fourth quarter was 4.2 million metric tons, down approximately 17% year-over-year and down about 3% sequentially. The year-over-year declines were principally driven by weaker demand across the core resale and physical businesses. For the full year, our marine segment volume was 17.5 million metric tons, a decline of 3.4 million metric tons, or 16%, compared to 2019. Our land segment volume was 1.3 billion gallons or gallon equivalents during the fourth quarter. That's a decrease of only 11% year-over-year and an actual increase of 2% sequentially, generally good results considering the broad economic impact of the pandemic on the markets our land business serves. We experienced year-over-year COVID-related volume declines in our retail, commercial and industrial and wholesale operations, which were partially offset by increases in our drilling, power, natural gas and sustainability platforms. Our land team remains focused on expanding our C&I power, natural gas and sustainability platforms and has done a great job managing our land business through the pandemic over the course of 2020. For the full year, volume in our land segment was 5.1 billion gallons, that's a decline of 390 million gallons, or 7%, compared to 2019. Consolidated volumes for the full year were 14.4 billion gallons, down 5.1 billion gallons, or 26% year-over-year. Consolidated gross profit for the fourth quarter was $165 million, a 42% decrease compared to the fourth quarter of 2019 and a 23% decrease sequentially. For the full year, consolidated gross profit was $852 million, down $260 million, or 23%; both declines driven by the impact of the pandemic on our aviation and marine results. Our aviation segment contributed $70 million of gross profit in the fourth quarter, down 50% year-over-year and 28% sequentially. The reason for the year-over-year decline again is obvious, but we also experienced a sequential decline due in part to renewed travel restrictions in the fourth quarter, as mentioned earlier. These restrictions most significantly impacted our iron ore volumes that are serviced by our physical operating network in Europe. Also, our inventory business was negatively impacted by fuel price volatility during the quarter, and we also experienced a modest sequential decline in government-related activities related to in-theater operations and Afghanistan troop withdrawals mandated by the prior U.S. administration. As we look ahead to the first quarter of 2021, we anticipate that aviation gross profit will remain roughly flat sequentially, driven principally by continued lockdowns in many parts of Europe and other areas of the world, which we expect will last through the balance of this quarter. For the full year, aviation gross profit was $353 million, a decline of $188 million, or 36% year-over-year. The marine segment generated fourth quarter gross profit of $23 million, a 60% year-over-year decline and a 29% decline sequentially. The COVID-related year-over-year decline in core retail activity, including the cruise sector, was compounded by a comparison to a very strong fourth quarter in 2019, which benefited from the lead-in to the January 1 IMO 2020 very low sulfur regulations. In addition to seasonality, the sequential decline related to lower margins we expected in our core retail activity and weakness in our physical business, impacted in part by COVID-19. As we look ahead to the first quarter, based on what we've experienced year-to-date, we expect marine gross profit to increase sequentially, driven by a rebound in our higher margin physical business and an increase in customer derivative-related activity. For the full year, the marine segment generated $151 million of gross profit, which is down $30 million, or 17%, compared to 2019. Our land segment delivered gross profit of $72 million in the fourth quarter, up 3% year-over-year and 11% sequentially when excluding profitability related to multi-service, which we sold at the end of the third quarter. While core domestic activity declined, land experienced sequential increases in our power and gas business as well as the benefit of seasonality in the U.K., again a good outcome for land considering the impacts of COVID-19 on the markets they serve. Looking ahead to the first quarter, we expect land gross profit to be sequentially higher, principally related to the increase in activity in the U.K. as we expect people staying home and higher usage in our oil distribution activities, which began in the fourth quarter and may continue through the first quarter, driven in part by assumed higher usage as a result of continuing pandemic-related lockdowns. There is also some additional potential upside related to the recent volatility in the natural gas markets in parts of the U.S. For the full year, the land segment contributed gross profit of $348 million; after excluding the impact of multi-service, the land year-over-year decline was only $9 million, or 3%. Core operating expenses, which exclude bad debt expense, were $135 million in the fourth quarter, which is well below the range that we provided on our last quarter's call, as we remain focused on managing our variable costs during this period of continuing uncertainty. Looking ahead to the first quarter, operating expenses, excluding bad debt expense, will likely be a bit higher in the range of $138 million to $142 million. For the full year 2020, core operating expenses were $613 million, down $152 million, or 20%, when compared to 2019. By taking swift action to reduce our costs to better align with the economic realities of 2020, we were able to mitigate more than 50% of the full year decline in gross profit. This is another testament to our team's focused effort to manage through the challenges of the pandemic. Speaking of the challenges with the pandemic, debt expense in the fourth quarter was $5.8 million, returning to a more normalized level after two quarters of COVID-related elevated expenses. We continue to navigate challenging markets well. Our credit team continues to do a fantastic job underwriting risk with credit lines remaining well below historical levels. As we look to 2021, we expect bad debt expense to return to levels at or below those experienced in 2018 and 2019, unless market conditions somehow deteriorate substantially from here. Adjusted income from operations for the fourth quarter was $25 million, down significantly from 2019 and sequentially, again due to the impact of the pandemic on our aviation and marine segments most specifically. For the full year, income from operations was $176 million, also down significantly, principally driven by the impact of COVID. Fourth quarter interest expense was $12 million, which is down 30% year-over-year. While total interest expense continues to benefit from lower average borrowings and significantly low interest rates, interest expense increased sequentially as we ramped up our accounts receivable sales facility, which is further strengthening our liquidity profile. At the end of the fourth quarter, we again had no borrowings outstanding under our revolver, and we ended the year in a net cash position. We expect interest expense for the first quarter to be in the range of $10 million to $11 million. Other expenses were also elevated in the fourth quarter, principally related to foreign exchange losses driven by significant currency volatility during the quarter. As a result of the impact of the pandemic on our operations, we were required to record a fairly significant amount of valuation allowances against our deferred tax assets in various foreign jurisdictions during the fourth quarter. This resulted in a higher effective tax rate for the fourth quarter and the full year. These non-cash adjustments are required under tax accounting standards and prevented us from recording a tax benefit on certain legal entities' losses which, again, will continue to be driven principally by the decrease in demand associated with travel restrictions imposed globally due to COVID-19. The recorded valuation allowances have no cash flow impact and our net operating loss carryforward assets remain available to offset future taxable income from these legal entities once they become profitable. Because we were not able to recognize any tax benefit, until we start showing profitability in these jurisdictions our effective income tax rate may remain higher than we would like in the short term. If we normalize our rate for the impact of these allowances, our fourth quarter effective tax rate would have been somewhere in the low 30s. Based on what we know today, we expect our effective tax rates to be in a very similar range in 2021, unless local market conditions change materially. Our total accounts receivable balance declined to about $1.2 billion at the end of the year, down more than 50% or approximately $1.7 billion from December of 2019, driven principally once again by volume declines and lower fuel prices. Our continued focus on carefully managing working capital resulted in fourth quarter operating cash flow of $114 million. For the year, we generated more than $600 million of cash flow from operations, which enabled us to repurchase $68 million of our shares and pay $26 million of dividends while still strengthening our balance sheet substantially during the midst of the pandemic. This provides us with a significant amount of available liquidity to invest in organic growth initiatives, a robust pipeline of strategic investments, additional share repurchases and dividends, all intended to drive greater shareholder value. In closing, as we all know, 2020 was a very tough and unprecedented year, not only for us as a company, but for the markets we participate in and for just about everybody else. While we do not control business demand recoveries from COVID-19, operating remotely for almost the entire year, our global team did an exceptional job focusing and executing on what was within our control — specifically, managing our expenses, cash flows and credit exposure with customers and other counterparties. And while EBITDA was still significantly impacted by the pandemic, these prudent actions further strengthened our balance sheet, reducing net debt by more than $575 million, bringing us to a net cash position at year-end. Looking forward, any state of crisis is a terrible thing to waste, and we worked very, very hard in 2020 to ensure we did not waste this horrible crisis. I believe we will come out much stronger and more efficient as a business. With our balance sheet stronger than it has been in a very long time, we are well positioned to hit the ground running as demand recovers post-pandemic with significant capital available to invest to further strengthen multiple areas of our business with the greatest opportunities for growth and operating leverage. Thank you, please be safe. I would now like to turn the call over to Mike, our operator, for Q&A. Thank you.

Operator

And the first question comes from the line of Ken Hoexter from Bank of America. Please go ahead.

Speaker 3

Hey, great. Good afternoon, Mike, Ira, and Glenn. Great job on managing the balance sheet during the pandemic. But looking forward with $60 oil, typically, lower fuel enables strong internal cash flow. And I know you've made some changes in what you talked about and how you manage the business, and you dramatically lowered your debt. But typically on rising fuel, you move to extend credit. How should we think about cash flow going forward in this rebounding environment and a rising fuel backdrop?

Ira Birns CFO

That's a good question, Ken. Thanks. Prices are a little bit higher. We've been managing our balance sheet really tightly. Our trade cycle blew out a bit in the midst of the pandemic, but it's back to more normalized single-digit levels. So $60 or so will not make much of a dent in terms of working capital and cash flows. The only way that it would have a more meaningful impact is if the recovery accelerates very quickly and we had a combination of higher prices and significantly more volumes. But even so, in relation to the amount of liquidity that we have available today, the impact from the combination of those two I would still expect not to be overly material. We may reduce the cash flow opportunity that we would otherwise have, but not by a significant amount.

Speaker 3

Okay. So it's not like a case where you see it going from generating significant cash to very thin cash because the price of crude goes up?

Ira Birns CFO

Look, it depends on how far the price goes up, and again, more specifically, if prices went way up now, given today's depressed level of volumes, the impact would be a lot lower than if prices were going up with the level of volumes we were experiencing in 2019. So it's really a combination of the two. If prices continue to accelerate and volumes increase significantly — which we'd all be happy to see — that would create a scenario where cash flows may be diminished to a much lower level. But you would need that combination for that path.

And Ken, a higher price is not totally negative. Obviously, there's a cash flow impact, but there are other dimensions to that, obviously, in terms of our underwriting and unit margin. So there's some positive effects to higher prices as well. So it's not really a point of concern at this stage.

Speaker 3

Yes. No, that just highlights how cash generative you have been with the debt you paid down. So Mike or Ira, where do you see the volumes first? Given you've been at the three segments for a while now with land, aviation and marine, are you seeing — Ira, you mentioned a couple — I think two of the three are going to see sequential upticks with aviation. I think aviation was quite sequentially — but are there signs that you start to see at this point in the turnaround on the volume pickup that you look to first in seeing that? And I guess that blends to kind of how you saw bad debt move back down to a normalized level. But let's stick with the volume part of that question first?

Ira Birns CFO

Yes, anybody's guess. Listening to the major airlines and talking to real folks, we expect and we are seeing some very modest signs of commercial aviation volumes increasing slightly. Still, of course, nowhere near the levels where we started. We're assuming that aviation, which was the most significantly impacted, has a reasonable opportunity to accelerate more in the second half of the year. Again, we're still not expecting to get anywhere near the levels of 2019 overnight, but a whole lot better than where we were at the bottom in 2020. So again, that depends on what transpires over the next couple of months with COVID rates, vaccination rates and the impact on travel restrictions. There's a lot of pent-up demand for travel. Personally, I haven't been on a commercial aircraft in a year, for the first time in probably four decades. There are a lot of people who, once they're comfortable that it's safe to be out there, are looking to start booking a bunch of flights. That tide can start turning very quickly. I don't think we're there yet, but when that tide starts turning, aviation volumes will have the opportunity to accelerate pretty meaningfully. Again, not necessarily bring us back to where we started overnight, but bring us closer to where we were in 2019. Land volumes didn't get impacted as much, and marine volumes did get impacted significantly. The real punch line of volume is aviation, and we're hoping to see that number start moving north in the second quarter and the third quarter and then into the end of the year.

Speaker 3

Great. I appreciate the time and thoughts.

We'll see, obviously, the cruise market was factored into marine somewhat related but different and we continue to watch tanker and dry bulk, which will be more broadly economy-based. So as you see the economy start to pick up, you'll see some knock-on effect there. On the land part in terms of our diesel activity and retail gasoline, that business is moving progressively and taking market share. So we feel good about that. And then the natural gas and power business is growing — more natural gas than power — but you'll see us start to do a bit more activity in the power side as well. The heating oil business in the U.K. is somewhat a contained market, but some of it ties to the broader-based market of the economy coming back. I think you're seeing that the energy management business is starting to pick up, although it's small; we'll be looking to grow that business.

Operator

The next question comes from Ben Nolan from Stifel. Please go ahead.

Speaker 4

Thanks. Yes, I wanted to dig in a little bit on a couple of things. The first is on the aviation business. Just kind of looking at it, the volumes were pretty similar, but the gross profit was off some. And I know you had mentioned Afghanistan. But just in keeping with sort of flat volumes, what was really the main — or the pressure point on your margins in the aviation business? Or was it all Afghanistan stuff?

Ira Birns CFO

Sure. Good question. That number was off clearly on a sequential basis. There are three issues that I'll hit on. The government piece is actually the smallest of the three. That was only off a little bit. We grew that showing some resiliency — every time you think it's going away, it doesn't — and with the change of administration now you don't have the same level of activity related to troop movements. That seems to have waned and troops that remain may remain indefinitely. We don't know. So that was actually a pretty small piece of the pie. We'll see that decline a bit more in the first quarter, but not materially. The bigger pieces were the lockdowns that were reinstituted in Europe. Many of the physical locations we operate — these are the locations we picked up in the Exxon acquisition several years ago — we operate over 100 locations today, most of which are in Europe, many of which were basically shut down with next to nothing going on. Those are higher margin pieces of our business because of the physical servicing on the ground providing fuel. So that was probably 40% to 50% of the sequential decline. Then there was a significant amount of inventory volatility, most specifically in November, and we had a much weaker result on the inventory side of our business sequentially. We'll get a little bit of that back; some of that is timing. We got a little bit back in the first quarter, but not a whole lot. That was the second biggest piece. Government was the third piece. As we look to the first quarter, the reason I guided flattish is because we only have a partial quarter of shutdowns in the fourth quarter; we're expecting in many European countries it's probably going to be for nearly the full quarter, but offsetting that, we don't anticipate the inventory piece to be as negative. We're seeing a little bit of growth in other markets. Cargo was actually really strong and business aviation is coming back. So we believe that will offset any incremental negative impacts in the European physical network of the locations we operate on airports. And then if you look beyond the first quarter, we're hoping to start seeing some improvement little by little in Q2, Q3 and Q4.

Speaker 4

Okay. I appreciate the granularity there, Ira. That's helpful. I want to shift a little bit to capital allocation, if I could. You guys are on track to be at $700 million of cash pretty quickly here. The debt is not really falling. I assume you're sort of with revolver fully paid, you're sort of against some limits there. It looks like you did a little bit, $12 million, $13 million of share repurchases in the quarter. But as we discussed — and maybe to Ken's point earlier — if oil prices are going higher and especially if volumes increase, and there's going to be need for some of that for working capital. But is there anything you're thinking about maybe really ramping up the buyback program? Or is it going to be a little bit more gradual in nature?

Ira Birns CFO

Good question. We always look at all the pieces. As I mentioned in my prepared remarks, we have organic growth initiatives, especially as parts of the market come back. To Ken's question earlier, we always want to have liquidity available for working capital. If you take a look at our accounts receivable, we're down from roughly $3 billion to $1.2 billion. Obviously, accounts payable are way down as well. But eventually we'll be investing something back into working capital, so that's always critical. Then there's M&A — there's a lot of opportunities, some maybe better after the circumstances of 2020 than before. Most specifically in our land business, either the commercial/industrial side of the business where our team continues to do a good job identifying opportunities, or in the connect side of our business, which I believe has maybe the greatest growth potential of any of our businesses with lots of opportunities on the power, gas and sustainability side. So those come first. But depending upon the level of activity and the amount of capital we need for working capital, we always consider the dividend, obviously, and we always seem to find a certain amount of dollars to repurchase shares. Whether that will become a materially greater number, I would probably argue unlikely, but you never know. It really depends on our overall liquidity, our cash flows and what we may have on the table in terms of opportunities to invest. So we always try to do as much as we can within reason, but we're never going to be a company that goes overboard from a share repurchase perspective. That's the best way to put it.

Speaker 4

Okay. No, that's helpful. And then lastly for me. Ira, I think you mentioned when you were talking about the marine business that in the first quarter you've seen an uptick in hedging activity for your customers. That's the first time I've heard about that in a number of quarters. Any color on sort of what's happening there? Is it just sort of opportunistic? Or does it feel like there's some sustainability to that perhaps?

Ira Birns CFO

Yes. I don't know about sustainability. Obviously, prices have moved pretty significantly in a very short period of time to a level we haven't seen in a while. That doesn't take a lot to trigger some selling activity by a marine procurement person trying to lock in prices. So we're seeing a little bit more of that. It accelerates further depending on people's views on pricing going forward — whether prices continue to increase, level off, or drop. You're right, you haven't heard that for a long time because activity had been dormant. So there are some signs of life there; they're small. Any further growth in that regard depends on what happens from a pricing perspective and pricing expectations, which is really what is driving people to hedge going forward.

It's been a sluggish market. Part of this is because demand is off. So perhaps we'll see some changes there if you really do see some volatility in pricing, but that remains to be seen. A lot of this is cross-management and risk management. We trended conservatively during the downturn. We're evaluating other participation models within that space. A lot of it is really going to be the core activity of some of our physical locations and product recovering in some of the other markets, and just broad based economic activity.

Speaker 4

Okay. Yes, that makes sense. All right. I appreciate it, guys. Thanks.

Thanks, Ben. Okay, well, I guess that's it. So listen, thanks once again to our global team, especially and all of your families. It's been quite a year. So to our shareholders and we look forward to actually seeing you soon. Hopefully that will occur. So stay well, stay safe, take care. And we'll certainly talk to you next quarter. Bye-bye for now.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, that does conclude the conference call for today. We thank you for your participation and ask that you please disconnect your lines.