Petco Health & Wellness Company, Inc. Q2 FY2025 Earnings Call

Good afternoon, everyone, and thank you for joining Petco's Second Quarter 2025 Earnings Conference Call. In addition to the earnings release, there is a presentation available to download on our website at ir.petco.com. On the call with me today are Joel Anderson, Petco's Chief Executive Officer; and Sabrina Simmons, Petco's Chief Financial Officer. Before we begin, I'd like to remind everyone that on this call, we will make certain forward-looking statements, which are subject to a number of risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from such statements. These risks and uncertainties include those set out in our earnings materials and SEC filings. In addition, on today's call, we will refer to certain non-GAAP financial measures. Reconciliations of these measures can be found in our earnings release, presentation and SEC filings. With that, let me turn it over to Joel.

Good afternoon, everyone, and thank you for joining us today. I'm incredibly proud to share the progress we are making in strengthening the foundation of our operating model and improving our retail fundamentals while positioning Petco for sustainable, profitable growth. We are continuing our transformation journey and are pleased we have the confidence to raise our earnings outlook. In addition to the progress we are making on our transformation, this month marks the 60th birthday of Petco, celebrating our rich heritage. In our 6-decade history, Petco has been where the pets go for consumables, grooming, vet services, pharmacy and more. I'm honored to be leading Petco along with a talented team as we embark on the next 60 years. As I complete my first year on the ground at Petco, it is gratifying to watch Petco regain confidence and relevancy in the pet sector. I will spend a few minutes later in my prepared remarks outlining what this means and where I'm seeing progress. Looking to our financial performance in Q2, sales were in line with our outlook, and we meaningfully improved our profitability, increasing operating income by over $40 million and generating more than $50 million in free cash flow. For the quarter, we delivered $114 million in adjusted EBITDA. This is a true testament to the hard work all the teams at Petco have leaned into. As we enter the second half, we continue to execute on Phase 2 of our transformation and expect to make improvements to our bottom line and overall performance versus last year. It is with this confidence in our ability to deliver improvements that we are able to raise our guidance and at the same time, begin thoughtful reinvestment behind the business as we set the stage for Phase 3 of our journey, returning to profitable sales growth. As part of this work, our leadership team has been engaged in a North Star project to reimagine every key element of Petco. We've uncovered so many positive aspects about our heritage and identified the details of what our customers expect us to improve and have honed in on Petco's differentiated positioning in the marketplace. From a marketing perspective, it quickly became obvious we needed to bring back a more emotional element to how we go to market and connect with pet parents. Our research has told us that we have an amazing heritage that resonates with our customers still today. As part of our 60th celebration, we reintroduced our beloved "Where the Pets Go" tagline, returning to the heart and soul of our brand with a fresh approach designed to increase relevancy. The campaign started in July and fully launched in August. Initial results indicate it is resonating with strong feedback and positive reactions from our customers. As part of the campaign relaunch, we reintroduced unique in-store events and experiences for all members of pet families. In July, we hosted several experiences like Free Pet Food Tasting, and Meet the Critters where families had the opportunities to meet our companion animals while learning from our knowledgeable and friendly pet experts. Personally, one of my favorites, in honor of Shark Week, we hosted a Feed the Sharks event, allowing families to get up close and personal with our freshwater fish. Petco truly is where the pets go in real life. The key for us to successfully move to Phase 3, a return to growth is to bring this to life through compelling marketing, improved merchandising, engaging creative and stronger store execution, giving customers a reason to step away from their screens and shop with their pets. While certainly acknowledging we are still in the early days, I'm pleased to share that we have seen positive customer sentiment and engagement around these events on our social channels and sequential increases in our NPS score since the end of last year. Survey respondents highlighted partner friendliness and helpfulness with an average satisfaction rating above 90%, which speaks to our ability to deliver experiences that pets and their people aren't getting anywhere else. In addition, several of our store managers reported people waiting outside our doors before we open for in-store events. This is simply evidence that the marketing message is breaking through the clutter and our pet parents want to engage and have in-store experiences with our store partners. Now as I look to Q3, I mentioned earlier that we are going to begin to test our way into Phase 3 and invest back into the business. An important step towards cementing our brand for the future is to invest internally. Next month, I'm looking forward to bringing leaders across the organization together for our leadership summit. This is an opportunity for our support center and store leaders to come together to not only celebrate our 60th anniversary, but to launch our updated values and most importantly, align on what a reimagined Petco means for our customers and our plans to execute on that vision. Throughout my career, I found that company culture is the baseline for success. Since joining Petco, I've been incredibly proud of the culture that exists today centered around pets first. We are harvesting that cultural heritage with an equal focus on operating disciplines and a winning mindset. It has been rewarding to watch the collective commitment and energy grow as we instill a One Petco Way attitude across the entire organization and set the foundation for the next stage of our journey. Alongside culture, driving operational improvements remains in focus, and that was a success story in Q2. During the quarter, we continued to take steps towards strengthening our retail fundamentals. Our operations, merchandising and supply chain teams worked together to simplify and optimize our processes that drive inventory accuracy, four-wall in-stock and ultimately, improve on-shelf in-stock for our entire assortment. These efforts were a contributor to our improved Q2 EBITDA performance. Additionally, we continue to see improvements in both inventory per store and sales per square foot. In addition to operations, merchandising excellence remains at the forefront of our work. You've heard me talk about allocating more space to our higher productivity SKUs, adding capacity on shelf and improving endcap displays, all of which just launched over the last few months and are contributing to improved store performance. We're also focused on bringing in product newness. For example, we launched our very first product category aimed at humans online and in-stores selectively in response to a customer survey where 90% of our pet parents shared that they are interested in buying pet theme products. Priced under $20, products are designed to be giftable, affordable and impulse worthy, celebrating the bond between pets and the people who love them. This is just one example of the merchandise overhaul we are making to reinvent Petco's overall product offering. Over time, you will begin to see newness throughout our entire assortment that will differentiate us from others and surprise our customers with unexpected ideas for their pets. Moving on to marketing. Last quarter, I spoke to you about the relaunch of our loyalty program, which is a great example of the work that is ongoing to implement a more sophisticated approach to customer segmentation. The new program will feature personalized rewards with a retention focus designed to strengthen long-term relationships throughout the pet lifecycle. More to come in 2026, but I'm pleased with the strategic customer insights our teams are utilizing to guide the development of the program and the enhanced customer experience it will ultimately deliver. As we've talked, we do not expect progress to be linear, and it's also important to note that some of the early top line progress is masked by areas where we still have the opportunity for improvement or the need to further sunset prior behaviors and implement new Petco-defined go-forward operating principles. For example, in-store services growth is stronger than the total reported figure as we temporarily deprioritize our paid loyalty program ahead of the relaunch in 2026. Similarly, consumables performance in stores are stronger than the total reported figure as underlying improvements in stores are offset by the softness in e-commerce as we retool that channel. As we look to Q3, it's important to remember we are lapping our toughest compare from a comparable sales perspective. Most importantly, we believe our stores, together with our comprehensive services offering, are Petco's differentiator in the market long term, and this is where our initial transformation efforts have been concentrated and our success has been seen. That said, while we have intentionally concentrated our Phase 2 efforts on improving our physical store fleet, given they represent the vast majority of our sales, we have a tremendous opportunity to continue to enhance our omnichannel customer experience. We recently welcomed a new leader for our e-commerce channel, and he has already identified several opportunities. I look forward to spending more time personally with the digital team to eliminate barriers and drive improvements with the goal of delivering a seamless omni experience that our customers are excited about. We can then increase our marketing efforts to invite new customers back to petco.com. Before I wrap up my thoughts and turn to Sabrina to share our financial details, I want to specifically comment on Phase 3 growth. While our strategy thus far has been intentional to give up certain sales, these decisions are making us more profitable, which allows us to begin to invest back into the business. The speed at which everyone worked to get us to this point is gratifying and the work I'm seeing internally for the future is promising. Growing sustainable sales the right way takes time. And it also takes a company that has discipline, a positive attitude, a winning can-do mindset and a commitment to merchandise differentiation. I would share examples of each with you today. We have begun to order new merchandise and are working now to sell through our existing inventory. I'm confident you'll be excited about what is coming. And please know that while our merchandise overhaul is happening, all the wheels are in motion with our marketing, operations, services and digital teams to move ahead with speed and rigor. While this is in motion, we expect the bottom line improvements to continue and further provide the necessary strengths to return Petco to growth. In closing, I'm incredibly proud of the work the teams have accomplished in my first year at Petco, while acknowledging at the same time, more work is ahead. I'm looking forward to our national meeting next month and engaging directly with our store general managers, vet leadership teams and leaders throughout our support centers. We are bringing everyone together to make sure the message is consistent, the focus is sharp and the urgency is universal. We must be known as a company that celebrates amazing pet experiences, creates great strategies and delivers on our promises, both internally as well as externally. We'll accept nothing less. The initiatives planned for the back half will continue to move our transformation forward, and I look forward to sharing updates as we progress. With that, I'll hand the call over to Sabrina to take you through the specifics of our strong second quarter results and share the details of what we plan to accomplish over the balance of 2025.

Thank you, Joel. Good afternoon, everyone. I'm pleased to share our continued progress on strengthening our economic model. As we've discussed with you previously and in line with our goals laid out at the start of the year, we are executing with intention to build a strong foundation from which to grow. This means expanding our gross margins and leveraging SG&A, resulting in improved profit, cash flow and overall returns. Our teams are moving with urgency as we execute against this phase of our transformation, and our second quarter results reflect our continued progress. In line with our outlook, net sales were down 2.3% with comparable sales down 1.4%. As a reminder, the difference between comparable sales and net sales is driven by the 25 net store closures in 2024 and the additional 10 net closures year-to-date, bringing our U.S. store count at the end of the second quarter to 1,388. It's worth noting on a 2-year basis, comparable sales improved 130 basis points from Q1 to Q2, driven by improvement in our store performance. Our top line results primarily reflect the decisions we are making to move away from unprofitable sales, shifting instead to a disciplined promotional strategy, better retail execution and enhanced customer experience. This work resulted in gross margin expansion of more than 120 basis points versus last year to 39.3%, with gross margin in both products and services expanding once again this quarter. Similar to Q1, gross margin expansion was driven by a more disciplined approach to both average unit cost and average unit retail, including stronger guardrails and the deployment of more disciplined processes to effectively manage our pricing and promotional strategies. It's also worth noting that there was minimal tariff impact in the second quarter. Moving to SG&A. For the quarter, SG&A decreased $36 million below last year and leveraged more than 150 basis points. As we've discussed previously, our management of expenses is not simply a one-time cost-cutting exercise, but rather a fundamental shift in mindset around how we operate, and that new rigor is evident in our results. A little over a quarter of the $36 million improvement year-over-year came from employee benefits optimization work. Over the last several months, we conducted a comprehensive review that resulted in meaningfully improved actuarial results. We recognize the benefit of all this work as we trued up our reserves to the semiannual actuarial report in the second quarter. More efficient store labor and operations expense, along with expense management across the board drove the remainder of the improvement. Though notably, marketing expenses were about flat on a year-over-year basis in the quarter. While there's more work ahead, we're pleased with the progress we've made to adopt a more disciplined mindset. Our expanded gross margin and expense leverage resulted in a $41 million increase year-over-year in operating profit to $43 million. Adjusted EBITDA increased $30 million to $114 million and expanded nearly 220 basis points to 7.6% as a percent of sales. Moving to the balance sheet and cash flow. Inventory continues to be well managed with ending inventory 9.5% below last year, all while achieving higher in-stocks for our customers. Free cash flow for the quarter was over $50 million and year-to-date was about $10 million. Both the quarter and year-to-date were well above the prior year. We ended the quarter with a cash balance of $190 million and total liquidity of $684 million, including the availability on our undrawn revolver. Now turning to our outlook for the full year. We are raising our adjusted EBITDA outlook for 2025. We now expect adjusted EBITDA to be between $385 million and $395 million, an increase of roughly 16% at the midpoint. For the full year, we continue to expect overall net sales to be down low single digits to last year, which includes the impacts of store closures in 2024 and 2025. It's important to note that the impacts of tariffs will become sequentially more meaningful as we move through the back half. Additionally, the significant progress we've made during the first half against strengthening our economic model and improving our earnings profile provides us the flexibility to selectively invest behind the business where it makes sense as part of our ongoing efforts to set the stage for Phase 3, a return to profitable sales growth. For the third quarter specifically, it's important to keep in mind that over the last 5 years, adjusted EBITDA in the third quarter has been sequentially lower than the second quarter. In line with that historical seasonality, we expect adjusted EBITDA to be between $92 million and $94 million, up nearly 15% year-over-year at the midpoint. We expect net sales to be down low single digits versus the prior year. And as an important reminder, we are lapping the toughest sales compare of the year in the third quarter. With regards to other guidance items, for the full year, we expect depreciation to be about $200 million, net interest expense of approximately $130 million, about 25 net store closures and approximately $125 million to $130 million of capital expenditures with a greater focus on ROIC. In closing, Joel spoke about the energy inside the organization. I wanted to also take a moment to thank all of our teams for the incredible work accomplished to date, the output of which is clearly evident in our strengthening bottom line results. With that, we welcome your questions.

And the first question will come from Michael Lasser with UBS.

So it sounds like you're moving closer to Phase 3. Joel, when is a reasonable expectation for us to hold the firm accountable for generating a positive comp? Is that by the fourth quarter of this year? Or is that more likely a 2026 outcome?

Thanks, Michael. As I think both of us mentioned, Tina went into detail—sorry, Sabrina went into detail, third quarter is our hardest compare of the year. So, like I outlined earlier, we are in the middle of Phase 2, Michael. While we are beginning to seed ideas and test and learn, as we like to call it for Phase 3, the results will begin to show up in 2026 as it relates to a positive comp, but we will start to work on ideas right now, Michael.

And my follow-up question is, it sounds like the gross margin gains came in part from eliminating some promotional and unproductive activities. Were those mostly online? And is that what drove the weakness in the online segment? And if you were to take away the online channel, would Petco have generated a positive comp in the stores business?

Yes. Michael, I don't want to get into specific segments. But as you can tell from my remarks, we've really been focused on the stores. It is where the majority of our sales are. We see it as the biggest opportunity long-term for us, and we wanted to get that underway. Not only are we pleased with the results the stores are making, but the traction we're getting in e-commerce is working as well, but that's been more focused on the bottom line.

And just to add a little bit to that, Michael, everything Joel said about the stores applies to online as well. Last year did have much more promo and stacking that we needed to clean up. If you think about between stores and e-comm, there was more cleanup to be done on the e-comm side to be helpful.

The next question will come from Steven Zaccone with Citi.

I want to follow up on Michael's question on gross margin. Could you just dig a little bit more detail there, how that performed relative to your own expectation because it looks like a big beat. And then it sounds like there's some timing aspect with tariffs. So can you just elaborate on that a little bit more, how we should think about gross margin rate in the back half of the year?

Yes. We have been super focused from our first call together. We've talked about the economic model and how one of the most important tenets of that is expanding our gross margin on a year-over-year basis for the full year to get our business healthy so when we do regrow sales, it has a nice flow-through on healthy margins. So we've been working every lever like AUR, AUC within those, every lever: promo, pricing, clearance and markdown to deliver on that gross margin expansion, and we're really pleased how it came through on both merchandise and services in the second quarter. When looking forward, tariffs will start to impact. We had almost no tariff impact in Q2. There was some, but let's call it rounding. As we go to Q3, it becomes meaningful, and then even more meaningful in Q4.

I guess the follow-up then on that is just how do we think about mitigation efforts? And maybe as it relates to top line specifically, how did pricing perform in the second quarter? And what's your view on pricing as we get into the back half of the year?

We've been doing pricing all year long. Different from many retailers who perhaps are reacting to the second half tariffs. We have been using this vehicle as we came together as a new leadership team from the get-go. There's less of a change in the second half, but will we be using that lever? Of course, we will be, but it will be with a consumer-first lens. We are very focused on delivering on a value proposition to our customer. So no change there, but yes, it will continue to be used.

The next question will come from Steve Forbes with Guggenheim.

This is Jake Nivasch on for Steve. So 2 questions for me here. One, I think you guys mentioned last time that you were working on some planogram resets, and I wanted to circle back to see if you could provide some updates on the work there. And then I have a follow-up.

Yes. I think we were specifically talking about our dog and cat reset back then. Think about my prepared remarks where I talked about on-shelf availability, better in-stocks, making it easier for our store associates to fill the shelves, which therefore makes them more productive and, ultimately, makes our stores more profitable. It was very successful. We've completed those resets and will continue to see more of those as we move through this year and into next year in other categories. This is just a great example of the diligence the teams are making to improve the profitability in the stores, improve on-shelf in-stock for our customers and make our stores more customer-friendly.

Yes. Just to tag onto that, as you heard me say, part of our SG&A savings was store labor and operations. That's exactly what Joel is talking about that we got a lot of operational benefits that are flowing through in our expense savings.

Did you have a follow-up, Steve?

Yes. Perfect. Yes. Just a follow-up...

Jake...

I know you touched on this a little bit, but curious if you guys can share some more detail around the North Star initiative that you have been working on. It's maybe too early, but I'm curious if you have any updates there.

Yes. I think we'll certainly give you a more detailed outlook on that as we get into the specifics of Phase 3 and growth. But I can tell you, as we think about Phase 3, there are really 4 main pillars to it. It's all about delivering an amazing store experience. Our partners are pet first, and that's what sets us apart. It's delivering services at scale. Services aren't easy. In many ways, I think of that as our moat, and that clearly showed up in our North Star work of how important our services were. The ecosystem of interacting between grooming, hospital and center of store is something Petco only can do. The third pillar is merchandising differentiation. I've alluded to that. I gave you several examples in my prepared remarks, but you're going to see more newness out of us, more surprise and delight. We have to be relevant, no more of set it and forget it, seasonal categories, pricing; that all comes into the merchandise differentiation. The final pillar is, over time, winning with omnichannel. Those are just some of the pillars that are coming out of our North Star work that's going to drive our growth down the road.

The next question will come from Kaumil Gajrawala with Jefferies.

I guess, a couple of things. The first is just where we sort of are in the process of the e-commerce sort of pullback and eventual retool. Is that sort of complete? And the same question, I guess, on the inventory side, inventories came down nicely. Are inventories where you intend them to be now? Or is there still more work to do? But are those 2 projects kind of mission complete and time to move on or still more to get done?

Yes, Kaumil, let me take e-comm and then Sabrina, if you want to chime in on inventories. Look, as I said earlier, it was our intentional focus to start on the stores first. In a unique way by us reducing sales in e-comm, our e-comm channel is actually more profitable today. The work we've been doing is just getting started and is ongoing. We hired a new leader; he's already making a big impact. We're reducing friction. Quite honestly, we're just improving basic retail 101 operating principles like speed, page load time, appointment scheduling enhancements, improving repeat delivery. Our loyalty program will come in '26. We think we've got plenty of media buying optimization to do and really improve our targeting and personalization. Those are just several examples, but I would say we're in the phase on e-comm of identifying and now we'll focus on implementing. And then, Sabrina, on inventory.

Yes. With regard to inventory, we're so proud of the work the teams have done even in the face of tariffs to get the inventory dollars down significantly. We believe in continuous improvement, and I think there's always opportunity, but we don't want to push it too far. We pulled off, as I said, down 9.5% with improving in-stocks at the same time. Our goal is to always have a tight relationship between sales and inventory; having inventory below sales is always a great goal as long as it doesn't hurt the customers. That's what we'll be focused on continuing to deliver.

Got it. And if I could ask about your commentary on the increasing NPS scores. Postmortem, what's behind that? Is it just the marketing? Is it what's happening in store? It just feels given the way you've laid out the phases that it's something that you'd expect when you're much further along Phase 3 than at this stage. So just curious if there's anything behind that.

Well, nothing specific. It's a whole host of a lot of improvements. Joe Venezia, who leads our stores organization of the new leadership team, has probably been here the longest. He's made traction in many different areas. We've already had one leadership meeting with the leaders of the stores organization. We've got another one I talked about coming up next month with all our store general managers and above. Those are just examples of us reinvesting back in our people and really putting effort into the store experience. It's clearly beginning to resonate with our customers. It's showing up in the metrics I shared with you. I believe it's important for Petco to have a great store experience. That's why we've leaned in initially with our store partners.

The next question will come from Kendall Toscano with Bank of America.

First thing I wanted to ask was just on the comp; could you comment on any of the transactions versus AUR trends that you saw during the quarter?

Sure. Overall, we're pleased with UPT and basket. Transactions are a place we are very focused on improving. That was really the biggest opportunity for us. Joel, do you want to...

No, I think that really covers it nicely. As we grow towards growth, the real focus will be on starting to invite customers back into Petco, and we've shared some examples of that with the store experiences.

Okay. That's helpful. And then the other question was just—so it sounds like there's been a lot of progress in key areas like inventory and in-stocks. I'm curious just where the biggest remaining execution gaps are that you're working to address before you'd be more confident to shift fully into Phase 3.

As I alluded to in my prepared remarks, our back half begins to contemplate reinvesting back in the business. It’s less about the gaps, and more about how pleased we are with the progress we've made to date. That progress gives us the confidence that we will continue to make progress. Sabrina talked about inventory; there are always opportunities there. But the teams made such progress that we're beginning to invest. Now the shift starts to be talking about those 4 pillars of growth that I alluded to in a couple of questions ago; that's where our focus is.

To elaborate on what Joel said, we think there's such a nice runway here, even just thinking about margins alone. We've been really focused, like we said, on AUC and AUR levers, including inventory management, pricing, promo, markdown and clearance. What’s yet to come that we're in the early stages of is we think there's a lot of opportunity in sourcing. We think there's a lot of opportunity in expanding categories like pharmacy to regrow over time our supplies business. So we still have a lot of levers left in front of us, which makes us very excited.

The next question will come from Simeon Gutman with Morgan Stanley.

Can you talk about the number of pet families? Can you talk about growing, declining? And then Joel, what are you learning about the families as far as the departments they're shopping, the services they're using you for? Anything that's surprising you from when you started?

Yes. Simeon, good question. I would say our industry data is showing that the pet space is relatively flat right now. For us, as we've been focused on the bottom line rather than the top line, we're pleased with our performance as we're not giving up much market share and at the same time, making significant improvement on the bottom line. I'm surprised at how many one-time customers we have. I think that's probably some areas where we were too bottom-of-the-funnel focused on our e-commerce channel. We have a significant number of customers that shop us for our services only, and we've got an opportunity to grow that share of wallet with our customers into some of our other categories, merchandise, and improve our repeat delivery capabilities.

Okay. And then you mentioned just toggling some inventory and bringing some new products. Is there any—sorry if this was asked, is there any inventory movement markdown risk associated with changing merchandise mix going forward?

Nothing significant, Simeon. When you change inventories and optimize inventory, our inventory was nearly down double digits, and that didn't come with a huge inventory risk at all. We have to be disciplined about it and go at it methodically, but I don't see any big inventory risk on the horizon.

To underscore that, the teams are really focused on improving the governance and processes around inventory and buys. We absolutely need more newness for our customers, and we're excited to bring it in. Those buys will be tight and well controlled; they will be seasonal and fast turning. We intend to manage it with a lot of good process and governance.

And the last question for today will come from Justin Kleber with Baird.

First off, Joel, you've been talking about cleaning up these empty calorie promotions for a handful of quarters. I'm curious if you could help us size the drag to the comp from this activity. If we normalize for what you're doing, is the business comping up excluding the cleanup of these promotions?

I don’t know that’s a little too specific to get into. It’s more important to look at it in terms of where we're at with the progress. Both Sabrina and I commented that Q3 is the toughest compare. We started in on this progress in Q4 of last year. As we continue to find opportunities where there were empty calorie sales, we offset those with some of the growth initiatives that are starting to take place, but we need to get through especially Q3 and the beginning of the holiday season.

The only thing I would add to that is—what Joel already said in his remarks, what we see under the covers is improvement in our store performance, which is really important to us because that's the vast majority of our sales. Just to reiterate, that was our first area of focus, and it's just great to see the improvement there. E-commerce is probably 6 months behind because the new leader just started; identification phase. We will get there because we know all the levers we need to work, but we're very pleased with what's happened in our stores.

And then just a follow-up on the implied fourth quarter adjusted EBITDA guide. It looks like at the midpoint, if you'd be at the midpoint of your third quarter guidance, you'd be down 2% year-over-year. I'm trying to understand what is driving the decline? Is it more about the tariff headwinds building or about your intentional investments back into the business as you set the stage for a return to growth?

Yes. I mean, we provided ranges. It kind of depends on where you model and end up. What I will reiterate about the fourth quarter is definitely tariffs will have the most meaningful negative impact in Q4. Secondly, we're excited because of our strong performance in the first half. We get to keep some powder dry in the second half for areas of investment should we deem them worthy of investing. The only thing we have committed to, by the way, is the Leadership Summit that Joel talked about, but we want to keep that dry powder. Finally, I think it's good to protect against volatility because I don't think the macro is completely out of the woods. We live in times where there's big news cycles nearly every day. We feel we've taken a prudent approach to the back half.

This will conclude our question-and-answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Ms. Tina Romani for any closing remarks. Please go ahead.

Perfect. Thank you so much, Joel and Sabrina, and thank you, everyone, for your time and your questions. We're looking forward to seeing many of you next week. And with that, that concludes our call.

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