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Earnings call · FY2025 Q1

N-able, Inc. (NABL) Q1 2025 Earnings Call Transcript

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Operator

Good morning everyone and welcome to the Enable First Quarter 2025 Earnings Call. My name is Angela and I'll be coordinating your call today. During the presentation, you can register to ask the question by pressing star followed by one on your telephone keypad. If you change your mind, please press star followed by T. I will now hand you over to your host, Griffin Geer, Investor Relations Senior Manager to begin. Griffin, please go ahead.

Griffin Gyr Head of Investor Relations

Thanks, operator, and welcome everyone to Enable's first quarter 2025 earnings call. With me today are John Paliuca, Enable's president and CEO, and Tim O'Brien, EVP and CFO. Following our prepared remarks, we will open the line for a question and answer session. This call is being simultaneously webcast on our investor relations website at investors.enable.com. There, you can also find our earnings press release, which is intended to supplement our prepared remarks during today's call. Certain statements made during this call are forward-looking statements, including those concerning our financial outlook, our market opportunities, and the impact of the global economic environment on our business. These statements are based on currently available information and assumptions, and we undertake no duty to update this information except as required by law. These statements are also subject to a number of risk and uncertainties, including those highlighted in today's earnings release and our filings with the SEC. Additional information concerning these statements and the risk and uncertainties associated with them is highlighted in today's earnings release and in our filings with the SEC. Copies are available from the SEC or on our Investor Relations website. Furthermore, we will discuss various non-GAAP financial measures on today's call. Unless otherwise specified, when we refer to financial measures, we will be referring to non-GAAP financial measures. A reconciliation of certain GAAP and non-GAAP financial measures discussed on today's call is available in our earnings press release on our Investor Relations website. And now, I will turn the call over to John.

Thank you, Griffin. And welcome, everyone, to our call this morning. As cyber threats continue and uncertainty pervades the economic conversation, small and mid-market businesses face mounting pressure to stay secure and efficient. And with a cyber resiliency platform purpose-built for their needs, Enable delivers the protection and performance required to move forward. Our value and approach are resonating. At our recent Empower Conference in Berlin, more than 500 international attendees responded to the enabled vision with enthusiasm, underscoring the growing urgency around security and the confidence customers place in our platform. This confidence was echoed at our investor day, where we laid out our target to reach 750 million dollars in ARR by 2028. Three growth drivers underpin our path to this target. First, driving security success, second, scaling our go-to-market, and third, boosting customer expansion. Today, we will walk through updates on each and discuss why we believe Enable is ready for both the challenges of today and the opportunities ahead. Let's begin with our quarterly results. First quarter ARR grew 11% year-over-year in constant currency. First quarter revenue was was $118.2 million, and adjusted EBITDA was $31.6 million, reflecting a 27% margin. We once again exceeded our top and bottom line guidance as we executed against our strategy and set ourselves to gain share in our large and growing TAM. Turning to our growth pillars, let's first look at our security initiatives. We made excellent progress on our product roadmap, highlighted by the release of Breach prevention from Microsoft 365. We believe this offering solves a deep customer pain point. Microsoft serves as a core technology provider to a large portion of our customer base, and attackers are increasingly bypassing traditional endpoints targeting digital identities to infiltrate organizations. Our solution ingests Microsoft 365 user telemetry to proactively detect and remediate threats, securing this critical identity attack vector this is a compelling way for customers to enhance their microsoft security posture while positioning us to meet strong demand and drive growth we also launched vulnerability management as a new built-in feature in our unified endpoint management or uem solution this is a major step for the industry customers looking to identify and remediate vulnerabilities in their environments have historically needed to purchase and deploy two separate tools one to identify vulnerabilities and another to patch and remediate those endpoints enable now delivers the capability to accomplish these workflows with a single solution this is a differentiator for enable and a better way to do business for our customers we are reducing software sprawl reducing fragmentation and closing security gaps while making the technicians we serve more efficient. We have already discovered millions of vulnerabilities, and early positive customer reception gives us confidence that our solution hits the mark. In addition to launching new defensive capabilities, we also advanced our efforts to help customers operate more efficiently. Cove data protection shined particularly bright. The team improved Microsoft domain backup speeds at the 20%, extending Cove's value proposition as a trusted, cost-effective protector of data. Efficiency matters, especially in an uncertain macro environment, and Cove's clear ROI positions enable to win. When you deliver value, awards and recognition follow. We were proud for Cove to be named a champion in managed BDR by Canalis for the second consecutive year, reinforcing our technical capabilities and continued market strength. Not to be outdone, our AdLumen Security Operation Solution was recently named Market Leader for MDR in the 2025 Cyber Defense Magazine Global InfoSec Awards. This award and our market trajectory validate our approach, which we discussed in our recent 2025 State of the Salk publication. I'll give you some takeaways from the report. The volume, velocity, and cost of cybersecurity attacks and breaches remain at all-time highs. Security teams are overwhelmed. They can't process an unending number of alerts, and they also don't have the budget or expertise to hire the multiple security analysts needed to properly reduce their risk profile. Old paradigms simply don't work in the age of AI-driven threats. A customer example brings us to life. A security professional at a regional healthcare organization was single-handedly managing over 1,500 devices. This is a significant workload and involves substantial risk. He and his organization needed help. Recognizing the business risk, he decided to trial our AdLumen security operation solution. And during the trial period, we stopped three different security breaches. The thwarting of these threats immediately proved the ROI of our solution, leading to a six-figure ARR deal. We are winning because we were built differently. Our AI-powered solutions cut through the noise while our experts provide eyes on glass, contextualizing and remediating priority events. Technology is the mode for our AI-powered SOC. We are automating 70% of incident and threat remediation activities across thousands of end customers. This gives us a competitive edge against legacy approaches and empowers us to drive better outcomes for our customers. Our automated SOC, the development of breach prevention for M365 and vulnerability management, highlights that we are building on our technical differentiation. We are bullish on AI and security, and we are just getting started. A second pillar of our growth strategy is expanding our go-to-market. We are broadening our approach to capture the full spectrum of channel providers that small and mid-market companies rely on to protect the digital operations. Our leading position in the MSP community is driven by a simple formula, quality partnership coupled with purpose-built software. Resellers, system integrators, and distributors share similar needs and represent approximately twice the market opportunity of the MSP market. We are applying our proven channel formula to partner with these providers, positioning us to deliver cyber resilience to more businesses regardless of which channel partner they choose. This expansion has already taken shape. In the first quarter, we added resellers across the globe to our program, revamped our partner portal to better facilitate reseller transactions, and hosted a series of high-impact events with well-established resellers, including trade shows, roundtables, and executive briefings. And at our Empower conference we boldly showcased our commitment to delivering cyber resilience to businesses everywhere we're executing on a robust playbook and that work is resonating we were awarded a five-star rating in the crn partner program guide for the fourth straight year underscoring our commitment to providing exceptional support and resources that help our customers thrive in a constantly evolving cyber security landscape scaling our go-to-market goes beyond our sales and marketing motion. Technical considerations are also a key factor. This is why we were thrilled to announce our commitment to CMMC 2.0 readiness, which will enhance our go-to-market strategy by widening our appeal to deals across more regulated sectors, including our customers who support defense and critical infrastructure. A recent customer example validates the progress we're making in scaling our go-to-market efforts. A consortium of school systems serving thousands of users was evaluating the best way to protect their members working alongside a value-added reseller we educated the customer about our next-gen security capabilities ease of deployment high number of out-of-the-box integrations and commitment to partnership they saw the power of our approach signing a large six-figure arr deal stealing an enabled win against the competition this was our largest new deal ever make no mistake our channel expansion isn't just plans it's in progress. A third pillar is boosting customer expansion. Our multi-category, multi-product software suite underpins an approximately $2.5 billion cross-sell opportunity that we believe exists within our existing base. Helping customers realize the technical and service benefit of standardizing on a cyber resilience platform and executing this cross-sell opportunity is key to our growth algorithm and strategy. A customer win brings our platformization strategy to life. A roughly 300-person organization was frustrated with the patchwork of multi-vendor solutions and recognized the need for a more reliable and efficient security approach. Realizing the criticality of secure, streamlined operation, they turned to Enable as a trusted partner and adopted our unified endpoint management, security, and data protection solutions. The result? A high five-figure ARR deal. Wins like this are a testament to the impact of our approach. Our cyber resiliency platform addresses SMB and mid-market core security needs, and our customer success model is dedicated to their outcomes. Without us, these businesses are left to stitch together disparate tools and are often locked in line for customer support from larger enterprise-focused vendors. We believe our ability to profitably serve the SMB and mid-market is a competitive moat for Enable. We help them step off the IT treadmill, stay safe, and focus on what matters most, running their business. And with that, I will turn it over to our CFO, Tim O'Brien, then I will circle back for closing remarks.

Thank you, John, and thank you all for joining us today. We had a solid start to the year with Q1 revenue and adjusted EBITDA both coming in above the high end of our guidance range and continued progress across our strategic priorities. We were also pleased to announce a $75 million share repurchase authorization program. While we haven't repurchased any shares to date, this program gives us an additional capital allocation option and underscores our belief in the enabled business. For our first quarter results, total ARR was $492.7 million, growing at 10% year-over-year on a reported basis and 11% on a constant currency basis. Total revenue was $118.2 million, $2.2 million above the high end of our guidance, representing approximately 4% year-over-year growth on a reported basis and 6% on a constant currency basis. Subscription revenue was $116.8 million, representing approximately 5% year-over-year growth on a reported basis and 7% on a constant currency basis. We ended the quarter with 2,398 customers that contributed $50,000 or more of ARR, which is up approximately 10% year-over-year. Customers with over $50,000 of ARR now represent approximately 58% of our total ARR, up from approximately 56% a year ago. dollar-based net revenue retention which is calculated on a trailing 12-month basis was approximately 101 percent on both a reported and constant currency basis turning to profit and margins note that unless otherwise stated all references to profit measures and expenses are calculated on a non-GAAP basis and exclude the items outlined in the gaps and non-GAAP reconciliations provided in today's press release first quarter gross margin was 80.6% compared to 84.7% in the same period in 2024. First quarter adjusted EBITDA was $31.6 million, $3.1 million above the high end of our guidance, representing approximately 27% adjusted EBITDA margin. Another free cash flow with $28.1 million in the first quarter. capex inclusive of 2.8 million dollars of capitalized software development costs with 6.1 million dollars or 5.1 percent of revenue non-GAAP earnings per share were eight cents in the quarter based on 189.1 million weighted average diluted shares we ended the quarter with approximately 94 million dollars of cash and an outstanding loan principal balance of approximately 38 million dollars representing net leverage of approximately 1.5 times approximately 43 percent of our revenue was outside of north america in the quarter turning to our financial outlook our guidance accounts for the following elements we are assuming fx rates of 1.07 for the euro and 1.27 for the pound for the remainder of 2025 along with updates to other currencies second while changing tariff policy is injecting caution and uncertainty into the macro environment the need for cyber security and resiliency remain persistent on balance we are raising our reported arr and revenue guidance to reflect our first quarter results and inclusive of updated fx rates on our business additionally we are maintaining our full year constant currency revenue and ARR guidance as we monitor the fast-changing macro dynamics closely. Third, on the expense front, we continue to balance profitability while investing for growth. Our operating plan includes multiple strategic priorities, including the development of our India R&D site, the integration and success of AdLumen, and new product and go-to-market initiatives. We are raising our adjusted EBITDA guidance and are confident we can deliver on these operational priorities. With that in mind, for the second quarter of 2025, we expect total revenue in the range of $125.5 to $126.5 million, representing approximately 5% to 6% year-over-year growth on a reported and constant currency basis. We expect second quarter adjusted EBITDA in the range of 34 to 35 million dollars representing an adjusted EBITDA margin of approximately 27 to 28 percent for the full year 2025 we now expect total revenue of 492 to 497 million dollars representing approximately six to seven percent year-over-year growth or approximately six to eight percent on a constant currency basis. We expect full-year ARR in the range of $519 to $525 million, representing 8% to 9% year-over-year growth, or 7% to 9% on a constant currency basis. We are raising our adjusted EBITDA outlook and expect full-year adjusted EBITDA of $134 to $139 million, representing 27% to 28% adjusted EBITDA margin. We reiterate that we expect CAPEX, which includes capitalized software development costs, will be approximately 6% of total revenue for 2025. We are also raising our expected adjusted EBITDA to unlevered free cash flow conversion percentage from 65% to approximately 68% for the full year. We expect total weighted average diluted shares outstanding of approximately 189 to 190 million for the second quarter and the full year. Finally, we expect our non-GAAP tax rate to be approximately 20 to 21 percent in the second quarter and for the full year. Now, I will turn it over to John for closing remarks.

Thanks, Tim. Our earnings reflect continued progress advancing cyber resilience for businesses worldwide our customer confidence demonstrates a continued belief in the value we deliver and our industry accolades are proof points that our efforts are resonating while evolving trade policies can create uncertainty cyber threats don't pause and neither do we the launch of new security capabilities the growth of channel partners in our partner program and our largest new bookings deal ever showcase that enable is innovating and growing. We look forward to building on this progress throughout the year. And with that, operator, you'll open up the line for questions.

Operator

Thank you. Everyone, if you would like to ask a question, please press star followed by one on your telephone keypad now. If you change your mind, please press star followed by two. When preparing to ask you a question, please ensure your device is unmuted locally. The first question comes from MySQL with Neal. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Mike Sicos Analyst — Needham

Terrific. Thanks for the questions here, guys. I just wanted to see before getting into it, but with the AdLumen acquisition, can you segment how much the acquisition contributed to revenue growth or ARR just so we can get an organic growth rate for you guys.

Hey, Mike. Yeah, I would point to, we sized the kind of starting point of revenue from the abdomen acquisition upon the point of acquisition was about $21 million of ARR or so. And that has no impact from like 606 rev rec on that. So that's kind of recognized radically. So that should help you guys back into an organic growth rate.

Mike Sicos Analyst — Needham

Okay. And the follow-ups here, I know it's relatively new with the new disclosures, but just as we think about the rest of the year, are there any considerations we should have in our models when thinking about seasonality or on a quarterly basis throughout the year?

Yeah, Mike, I would expect it to be fairly consistent as the way we set it up with, I would say, some slight improvement as we go through the year. We gave that similar color on the last call as well that we'd expect ARR sequential growth to kind of be building as we went through calendar 2025.

Mike Sicos Analyst — Needham

I'll turn it over to my colleagues. Thank you.

Brian Essex Analyst — JPMorgan

Thanks, Mike.

Operator

Thank you. The next question comes from Brian Epsics with JPMorgan. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Brian Essex Analyst — JPMorgan

Hi, good morning, and thank you for taking the question. I guess, you know, first question is just overall view on the market and the health of the spending environment, particularly after, you know, beginning of April when things seem to have gotten a little bit noisier from a macro perspective. We'd love to hear what you're hearing from, you know, both enterprise customers and MSPs and, you know, how they're experiencing the current spending environment.

Sure. Good morning, Brian. This is John. Thanks for the question. Look, whether it be data protection or the thwarting of the threat actors, the need for cyber resiliency, it's a must, right? It's not like a nice to have. So we continue to see the demand, and that's both reflected in our bookings and our pipeline remain strong. strong. So we're not really hearing, we're not really seeing any major differences from the demand point of view. The offerings continue to resonate in the market. That being said, I'd say anecdotally, with some of the channel checks, we do hear folks talking about, you know, certain deals taking a little bit longer, or just, you know, a little bit more of a measure twice kind of cut widens approach before folks are launching a big project.

Brian Essex Analyst — JPMorgan

But overall, demand remains strong, and the offerings continue to resonate in the market. got it and that's that's helpful and then i guess maybe could you decompose dollar-based net retention for us you know how do you do you anticipate that this is a trough here um is there further to decline there and then maybe the key components of that in terms of churn um cross-sell upsell any pricing increases just so we can kind of get an idea of the dynamics And understanding it's a trailing 12-month metric, but just trying to understand when we might start to see that kind of, like, head in the other direction.

Yeah, hey, Brian, this is Tim. I would expect where we're at to be more in that trough. I think with the trailing 12 months, I would say this kind of fully captures the impact that we saw and some of the dynamics back in 2024 that we've covered previously. I would say overall, gross retention's been steady. and impact on the improvements we're looking to drive will be driven mostly through the cross-sell opportunity that we have within the customer base. So that's where we're focused on executing in 2025 here on pushing that price per device up as we cross-sell the white space opportunity that's sitting within the customer base okay and what what that's helpful and what kind of considerations will we need to make on the pricing side um i i expect pricing to be in the in the one to two percent range um for calendar 25. got it very helpful um i won't be very material thank you okay thanks bro thank you the next question is from matt headbutt with rbc capital markets

Operator

Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Matt Hedberg Analyst — RBC Capital Markets

Thanks for taking my questions, guys. You know, John, I wanted to ask you about the reseller traction. You know, it seems really exciting, you know, as another growth vector. It sounds like we're still early. I kind of wanted to see, like, where are we at? Like, I don't know, what inning are we in that kind of reseller motion? And, you know, how do you think about, you know, potentially that aiding growth this year? I have to imagine you probably haven't embedded a ton in guidance for that. Just sort of curious on that element.

Yeah. Hey, Matt, great question. And so just maybe to remind the audience a bit, we've traditionally were focusing on the route to the SME or mid-market via the MSP. And now we're widening that net, so to speak, and really beginning to invest a little bit more in other type of channel participants, value-add resellers, even some SIs and some of the folks like that. Matt, I categorize it as early innings for sure, but it's already seeing some green shoots. We're focusing right now on adding resellers, active resellers, both in North America and international. One of the benefits from the Adlumen acquisition is they had a reseller network in the U.S. And so what we're doing there is we're adding to that network, but we're also now adding other items for their shelf, so to speak, and their line card with Cove and with our UEM offerings. And so that's been getting some good traction. And then in Europe, we've added some cams in the UK. We've added some cams in the dock markets. And those are already starting to throw off some green shoots. And so you know our business. I often refer to it as a snowball business. We're 20,000 plus customers. And so we're lining up those pipeline we're starting to get deals bookings are starting to come in it will have an impact on on 2025 but not necessarily material just because of the nature of the way the snowball kind of builds we do expect it to have a bigger impact in 2026 but so far so good the demand is there the products the products resonate uh and um and we're really beginning to seed and we're starting to see that pipeline build nicely that's fantastic yeah it does seem like a really interesting additional growth factor versus historical MSP distribution.

Matt Hedberg Analyst — RBC Capital Markets

I guess the other thing that really stood out to me, you know, John, you mentioned it kind of early in your preparer remarks, was sort of your VM management solution. You know, we often hear of a lot of, you know, customer issues with sort of that both the VM side and the patch management side, especially I can imagine that's even more relevant in the SMB space. And, you know, it sounds like you're having some strong early traction with that as well. Wondering if you can give us a little bit of sense, too, on, you know, maybe where you're seeing that success. And is it competitive displacements or is it the case where, you know, they may be not using anything for VM in some of your customers? Sure.

When we surveyed our managed service providers in particular, the two biggest areas of need were around security operations and XDR, MDR activity, and a close second was vulnerability management. Matt, I say it's a hybrid. Some have disparate tools that they were using. No one really had it in one unified platform inside their UEM. And so this is definitely will be a differentiator in our UEM for sure. We're starting with the scanning of endpoints in the applications, and then we're going to add to that and add on with scanning of networks and then to the cloud. And so I'd say it's a little bit of a hybrid in that we'll probably be displacing some folks at the first tranche or the first horizon with the endpoint, but then it'll be a little bit more of a green field or blue ocean, so to speak, with the network and definitely with the cloud. And so it's really exciting. Right now, we actually have it. It's actually included in our UEM. We're not charging our MSPs for it. And it's showing up. Look, I often refer to this as left-hand, right-hand clapping, right? You need to scan and understand what the vulnerabilities are, and then you need to patch. Our patching, we believe, is best in class. The level of automation, the level of policies that folks can do, it all goes squarely right into our mission, right? We're helping these MSPs be more secure, helping their customers be more secure, and making sure they can do this effectively and efficiently. So this is right in the crosshairs of really our mission. And like I said, this was one of the top two priorities that MSPs were looking for. And it really, frankly, is a gap in the industry. We know that there's a lot of enterprise players. And some of our MSPs are forced to use some of those enterprise players. And it might be a little bit heavier than what an MSP needs. They're not necessarily architected in an N tier so that they can deploy this across their group. And now what an MSP can do is run certain and common policy across all of their customers, which drives a tremendous amount of efficiency. So we're really excited about it. And the reception has been great. We announced this in berlin at our empower event and we had 500 plus attendees there and the place went nuts um literally the audience started screaming when our cto announced announced that this was going to be included in in central and an insight both of our uem so we're looking forward to it this will help us make the the the platform stickier it this will help us displace competitors as as we're going in because the the competition does not have this so this is truly a differentiator sounds great best of luck guys thank you the next question is from keith batchman with bmo your line is open please go ahead hello keith your line is open please go ahead

Keith Bachman Analyst — BMO

yeah thanks very much i just wanted to ask three questions if i could good morning um the first is could you uh tell us how much did the rev guide change due to fx hey keith um this is tim um primarily the yeah we we held our constant currency outlook for the year so um all the all the increase on rev guide is related to fx um for the year okay great then the second question is thank you the second question is um sort of where brian was digging in little bit. You mentioned that there's more scrutiny on deals. Just to be clear, though, is the pipe the same, but there's deal elongation, or are you not even seeing the deal elongation or sales cycle expanding? Is there any change in the cadence?

This is John. What I mentioned is there are really more anecdotes that we're saying, but that being said, we wanted to maintain, I would say a prudent kind of outlook given some of the uncertainty. But no, look, the bookings are strong. The pipe remains quite strong. And we're not really seeing anything that's materially different in the metrics. But it's more some of the anecdotes that we're hearing from some of our channel checks, not necessarily what we're seeing in our direct business. Fair enough. Fair Okay, thank you, John.

Keith Bachman Analyst — BMO

And then the last question I had is really related to slide 25 on the deck. And just wanted to maybe you could revisit on the EBITDA margin expectations as we go And what's interesting is, you know, your EBITDA dollars are roughly consistent to what they were, say, in 23. and while the revenue is expanded. So is the thesis that EBIT margins will remain constant here or go up? Just give us a little – remind us how either the EBIT margins will transition and or the dollars as you aspire to the larger ARR targets.

Yeah, Keith. I think looking at calendar 2025, we're squarely focused on growth reacceleration and a couple of key investment initiatives. One, on AdLumen, making AdLumen successful. Two, on launching our new site in India. and three is driving the expansion of our channel in both North America and internationally on adding new resellers and getting that channel adding points of growth to the overall business. So from 2025 standpoint, that's focused. I would say we're staying conservative on EBITDA there with the number one focus on growth. But as we look at 26, I would expect us to move back into the low 30s from an EBITDA perspective as we balance the investments between profit and growth in 26.

Keith Bachman Analyst — BMO

Yeah, that was really the spirit of the question was 26. Is where can those margins return? Fair enough. That's it for me. So low 30s kind of margins as we conceptualize 26? Yes. Okay. That's it for me. Thanks, Keith.

Operator

Thank you. The next question is from Jason Ada with William Blass. If you align yourself in, please go ahead.

Jason Ader Analyst — William Blair

Thank you. Good morning, guys. First, I wanted to get a clarification. So the $2.6 million beat on the revenue side versus guidance, and you had $2 million positive impact from FX. Just wanted to make sure those numbers are right and whether that was contemplated in the original guidance. In other words, if not for FX, you would have beaten by $0.6 million. Is that the right way to think about it, or was it contemplated in the guidance?

No, what was going to be in the guide was the rates that we stated back in Feb. So there was some FX upside on the Q1 results. The other part on the revenue side, Jason, is we had some, I would say, some impact from 606 to the positive, which doesn't carry through for the full year in Q1 as well.

Jason Ader Analyst — William Blair

Okay, very helpful. And then on the customer expansion side, can you just talk about, I don't know, anything that you didn't talk about in the prepared remarks in terms of some of the things you're working on, bundling or other initiatives, go-to-market initiatives, and then specifically, like, what metrics should we be looking at going forward to, you know, check on the success of some of those initiatives?

Hey, Jason. This is John. Yeah, look, so one of the things that the Illumin acquisition afforded us is if you think about the economic stack that we bring to market, that's now $30 per user per month, right? And which the Illumin ASP by itself was anywhere from $5 to $12. So it's a substantial uptick in our economic stack. And that allows us the ability to do a little bit more of a bundling and packaging, which will help our customers, both the mid-market customers and the MSPs. What we believe is that at the mid-market and at the low end in particular, if you're buying things in a silo, those silos are not as efficient, not as effective, and potentially not as secure. So by bundling via one kind of platform, the end customer is getting the benefit of that. And so we're going to package that up. that should drive, that will drive, you know, our ASPs up. What you can look for proof points there in acceleration and ARR, you know, an uptick in NRR as well as we go through because we should get some of that upsell or, excuse me, cross-sell as we go through. And we try to give a little bit of an example of that in the prepared remarks. I mentioned that, you know, 300 employee healthcare organization, right? And that's a high five-figure ARR deal. Before AdLumen, that might have been more like a $12,000 to $14,000 ACV type of deal if it was just UEM or one of our offerings. But now bundling that together, we're getting four or five times, six times the ACV for a 300-person organization or a 300-device MSP. So the bundling and packaging, I expect to actually have benefit both on the low end and the high end, but maybe even an overweight impact on the lower end of the market, because that's really where they can drive some of the economic benefit for themselves, but more importantly, drive the efficiency for the technicians that those organizations are, frankly, a little bit overstretched if they're using more of a siloed Is that where you've seen, on the end market side, is that where you've seen most of the success for um maybe some of your competitors like in the low end of the msp market just some of that um so kind of full full platform yeah so uh so so let me split that answer up because it's important the the ad lumen automated sock that's resonating on the low end that's resonating in the middle that's resonating on the high end that's resonating in the mid market like that's that remains our fastest growing skew, and the cross-sell has been really, really strong across all the entire spectrum. The bundling, and yes, the bundling, I'd say the success is a little bit more on the middle to the lower end.

Jason Ader Analyst — William Blair

Very good. Thank you.

And frankly, we're actually really just getting started with some of that, where it's more, I would say, in testing, and we look to bring a little bit more of that systematically to the back half of this year into 2026.

Jason Ader Analyst — William Blair

Yeah, good question.

Operator

Thank you. The next question is from Joel Fandrick with Scotiabank. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Joel Fandrick Analyst — Scotiabank

Yeah, thanks for the question. John, if you could talk about, you know, traction you're having with the Blumen. Remind us what's the catalyst for greenfield adoption? Is it typically a breach? Someone trying to get cyber insurance?

Maybe some other reason really just trying to understand why this market is poised to take off now sure thanks joe uh you know based on our research but also research of of analysts in the space the um the i call the xdr mdr uh is is really a blue ocean uh type of um uh market for the I'd say the majority, and we've seen as low as, you know, 55 and as high as like 70%, depending on the survey, do not have a solution in place today. And so that's exciting. What's driving that? You kind of hit it all. I'd say it's like hitting for the cycle, right? Yes, if somebody has a cyber breach or an incident, that's a catalyst. if it's a need for insurance, or hopefully it's also SMBs, mid-market companies, and MSPs being proactive, saying that they can't handle the threats that are needed. They can't handle it. They shouldn't be building a SOC. It's millions of dollars for a lot of these managed service providers or mid-market companies to build a SOC. So if they can rely on a company that's leveraging AI to help them in a much more automated way, you know, search for threats and thwart the threats. And the biggest part of the Adloomin solution that we believe is a differentiator is what we refer to as big R and that we remediate. So before a customer can even be, they can be sleeping and we'll already take action and remediate. One of the more interesting things, and I mentioned this in the prepared remarks, we also went to market with Microsoft 365 breach prevention, right? So we were at RSA last week, the first time it was ever an exhibitor at the cybersecurity event in san francisco last week and one of the big themes is identity and and m365 really is one of those bits that's it's effectively completely automated and where if we're seeing any anomalous behavior with the signing in or just a logging in or a user or an identity under m365 which you can you can imagine covers a large part of my base we can actually shut down that access and so you know whether it be a mid-market company or an msp they could still be sleeping and we'll take action for them on their behalf, making sure that there's no lateral movement, making sure that that person no longer has access to their information. So what might have taken hours before and in prior technologies is now taking minutes for us to detect and then respond and go from there. And that's resonating in the market. It's a differentiated approach. It's very much an AI-powered automated SOC, and it seems to be really resonating.

Joel Fandrick Analyst — Scotiabank

That makes a lot of sense. Okay. And you've also talked a lot about the value of selling the entire platform. I think I heard the word platformization. So I'm curious, is there an effort to integrate all the offerings together into a single pane of glass? And does that add further value? And where are you on that journey?

Sure. When you think about the technician's need, It's really about the workflows. And that culminates, or people speak to it as a single pane of glass. But the reality is it's all about automating of the workflows. So what we have is effectively three best-in-class offerings, our Cove data protection offering, our UEM offerings, and the AdLumen offering. So best-in-class. So if a mid-market company or an MSP has a need for one of those three offerings, they can consume that. And then, frankly, we do pitch and do believe that it is a better together story. It makes the MSPs or the technicians more efficient. It makes the solution more effective. And why? It's because the workflows. They don't need to log on. They don't need to manage that. The roles-based account controls and all the access is there, pushing and pulling of the We can automate things. We can make the offerings more secure by looking at if there was any anomalous detection. So I'll give you an example. we actually had a customer that was using both Cove and Edlumen, and a breach was detected. So that breach was remediated. And just for a belt and suspenders approach, because they had Cove, they were able to go back and recover from the previous day just to make sure that there was no threat actors in their environment, none of their data was corrupted. And so that's a good example of the cyber resiliency platform where we're detecting, we're remediating, and then we can recover just to make sure that the environment's clean. And we believe that having that complete resiliency story is differentiated both for Enable, both of the MSPs we serve, and the mid-market companies that are dealing with the threats.

Joel Fandrick Analyst — Scotiabank

Thanks so much for taking my questions.

Operator

Thank you. We have a follow-up question from Mike Seacos with Neil. Your line is open. Please go Hey, guys.

Mike Sicos Analyst — Needham

Thanks for getting me back on here. I just had a quick follow-up. I believe it was in response to Jason's line of questioning, but just wanted to make sure we were being thorough here. If I go back a quarter ago, management said that they expected a five-point headwind to 1Q revenue and a four-point headwind to calendar 25 from ASE 606.

So, did that five-point headwind to 1Q play out as expected, and are we still maintaining that four-point headwind to calendar 25 from these uh the rev rec dynamics hey mike yeah we we saw we saw things come in um very close to where we uh where we had kind of projected things for both q1 and for 2025 q1 was slightly less as we had a little bit of impact positive impact from 606 but that headwind for the year um is is uh is still consistent it is well what what percent of the customers today are on longer-term contracts versus monthly? That's north of 50%. It's in the mid-50s from an LTC, or committed contract, ARR standpoint.

Mike Sicos Analyst — Needham

Great. And final follow-up, a free cash flow conversion, the fact that we're bumping up by three, is it fair to assume that really being driven by the lower tax rate assumption for the year? And then secondarily, why is the tax rate coming down by 4.0?

Yeah, that's primarily the driver on the change in the conversion. And the key driver on the lower tax rate is due to some of the benefit we're getting from the AdLumen acquisition. We're able to realize a little bit more benefit than we originally expected there.

Mike Sicos Analyst — Needham

That's great. Thank you, guys. Thanks, Mike.

Operator

Thank you. We currently have no further questions, so I'll hand back to John for closing remarks.

Thank you, operator. And thank you, everyone, for checking in with us today and spending time with Enable.

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