Operator
Thank you for standing by, and welcome to the E.W. Scripps Company's fourth quarter 2025 earnings conference call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. After the speaker presentation, there will be a question and answer session. To ask a question during the session, you will need to press star 11 on your telephone. To remove yourself from the queue, you may press star 11 again. I would now like to hand the call over to Carolyn Michelli. Head of Investor Relations. Please go ahead.
Thank you, Latif. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us for a discussion of the E.W. Scripps Company's financial results and business strategies. You can visit Scripps.com for more information and a link to the replay of this call. A reminder that our conference call and webcast include forward-looking statements based on management's current outlook and actual results may differ materially. Factors that may cause them to differ are outlined in our SEC filing. We do not intend to update any forward-looking statements we make today. Included on this call will be a discussion of certain non-GAAP financial measures that are provided as supplements to assist management and the public in their analysis and valuation of the company. These metrics are not formulated in accordance with GAAP and are not meant to replace GAAP financial measures and may differ from other companies' uses or formulations. Reconciliations of these measures are included in our earnings release. We'll hear this morning from Chief Financial Officer Jason Combs and then Scripps President and CEO, Adam Simpson. Here's Jason.
Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us. This marks our fourth consecutive quarter of reporting financial results that met or seeded expectation on nearly every reporting line. Our growth strategies around networks, streaming distribution, and Scripps Sports are helping us outpace local and national peer companies, supported by strong sales execution and disciplined expense management. I'll recap our fourth quarter 2025 results in a moment, but first I wanted to touch on a few important activities we've undertaken since our last reporting period. On February 11th, we announced a transformation plan to grow enterprise EBITDA by $125 to $150 million by 2028. Our plan balances right-sizing our current expense structure with implementing new ways to grow revenue and profitability. The EBITDA improvement is one aspect of our larger company transformation plan, which Adam will discuss in a few minutes. You'll start to see the financial benefits of our plan in the second half of this year. We expect total in-year EBITDA impact of 20 to 30 million dollars and to go into 2027 with an annualized run rate of 60 to 75 million dollars. We expect the benefits to contribute to a significantly improved leverage ratio by year end. This plan builds on the work we've already done to improve our division margins in recent years. In fact, for 2025 we exceeded our guidance for margin performance in the Scripps Networks division. We guided to 400 to 600 basis points of expansion over 2024 and delivered nearly 700 basis points. In the local media division, we kept expenses down despite new partnerships in valuable and growth-driving sports rights. In another strategic move to improve margins, we are exercising our option to reacquire 23 TV stations affiliated with ION that we had to divest when we bought the network five years ago. We anticipate the aggregate purchase price to be about $54 million. The transaction allows us to expand our already sizable spectrum holdings. After close, we will no longer be paying the owner of those stations affiliate fees, so acquiring these station assets will be immediately accretive to the Scripps Network's division segment profit and margins. We will seek waivers for the transaction under the FCC's current television station ownership rules. On February 9th, we announced the sale of CORE-TV, which did not require regulatory approval and closed on that date. This transaction reflects our disciplined approach to capital allocation. We've monetized an asset while also securing a multi-year spectrum lease that instantly improves our operating performance. The transaction is immediately accretive to the Scripps network's segment profit and division margin. The divestiture reflects Scripps' practice of growing businesses and in making strategic decisions about how we unlock the greatest value. We also were pleased to find a fitting owner in law and crime, founded and run by ABC News Chief Legal Analyst Dan Abrams. On the local media M&A front, we are progressing towards closing on our station swaps with Gray and the sales of WFTX in Fort Myers, Florida, and WRTV in Indianapolis. Gross proceeds from the Fort Myers and Indianapolis sales will be $123 million. We expect Fort Myers to close in the coming weeks and Indianapolis to follow soon after, pending FCC approval. We're also optimistic about closing in the coming months for the Gray Stations transaction. All of this acquisition and divestiture activity with the stations, the ION affiliates, and the sale of Core TV support our strategy of evaluating and maximizing the value of our assets, improving margins while reducing our debt and leverage ratios. Now let's review fourth quarter financial results and then I'll share some guidance for the first quarter and the full year. During the fourth quarter, our local media division revenue was $360 million, down 30% due to the absence of political advertising revenue compared to the prior year. Core advertising, however, was up 12% for the quarter. Let me repeat that. Core was up 12% in the quarter. All five of our top categories grew year-over-year, including our largest, services, at 19%. Gambling was up 32%. Our local sports strategy is a key contributor to our core advertising growth, and it's not just the addition of the Tampa Bay Lightning this year. We also saw continued strong revenue growth during Q4 in our existing local sports markets, Las Vegas, Salt Lake City, and South Florida. Local media distribution revenue was down 1.6%. Expenses for the division were down about 1% year-over-year. Local media segment profit was $50 million, compared to $199 million in Q4 of last year's political cycle. For the first quarter, we expect local media division revenue to be up low to mid-single digits. The big story here again is growth in core advertising revenue, which we expect to be up in the mid-single-digit range. In addition to the live sports strategy that also helped drive fourth quarter growth, we have the benefit in Q1 of the Winter Olympics and the Super Bowl on our 11 NBC stations. In the back half of 2026, we expect local media division revenue to grow through record midterm election spending. In the 2022 midterm election, we took in about $200 million. This year we're expecting strong spending in our markets due to U.S. Senate and gubernatorial races in Arizona, Colorado, Michigan, Nevada, Ohio, and Wisconsin. We also are encouraged by Ed Impact reports showing local broadcasters and related media will retain about half of the projected record spending. We expect local media distribution to benefit from about 70 percent of our pay TV subscriber households renewing this year. For the year, we expect low single-digit growth in gross revenue and low teens percent growth in net distribution revenue as a result of both the top line growth and declining affiliate fees. Turning back to the first quarter guidance, we expect local media expenses to be up low single digits. Backing out the new expense to the lightning, local media expenses are down. Now let's review highlights for the Scripps Networks division fourth quarter results and first quarter guidance. In the fourth quarter, Scripps Networks revenue was $199 million, down less than 8% compared to Q4 2024 and well ahead of guidance and the marketplace. Connected TV revenue was up nearly 10% for the same quarter last year and 30% for the full year. The division's expenses for the quarter were down 13% due to lower employee-related costs and operational expense reductions. Scripps Network's segment profit was $64 million, and the segment margin was 32%. For the first quarter, we expect Scripps Network's division revenue to be down in the high single-digit range. We expect Scripps Network's expenses to be down in the low single digits for Q1. Turning to the segment labeled Other, in the fourth quarter, we reported a loss of $8 million. Shared services and corporate expenses were $22 million. For the first quarter, we expect that line to be about $27 million. The expected increase is due to higher medical claims and increased insurance premiums. For the fourth quarter, we reported a loss of $0.51 per share. The quarter included a $19.5 million non-cash charge for our held-for-sale core TV assets, $2.4 million in restructuring costs, and a $2.4 million loss on extinguishment of debt. These items increased the loss attributable to shareholders by $0.20 per share. In addition, the preferred stock dividend has a negative impact on earnings per share even when we don't pay it. This quarter, it reduced EPS by $0.18. Now, I'd like to share our four-year guidance for a few below-the-line items. For 2026, we expect to pay cash interest of between $180 and $190 million, cash taxes of $15 to $20 million, capital expenditures of $60 to $70 million, and depreciation and amortization of $140 to $150 million. We also are required to make a minimum contribution of $4.5 million to our pension plan this year. On December 31st, we had no borrowings outstanding on our revolving credit facilities. Cash and cash equivalents totaled $28 million, and net debt was $2.3 billion. Also during the quarter, we paid down $55 million on our B2 term loan. Net leverage at year end was 4.8 times per the calculations in our credit agreements. Looking ahead to the end of 2026, I expect a meaningful reduction in net leverage ratio as we execute our plan to improve EBITDA and reap the benefits of a robust midterm election cycle, our Scripps fourth strategy, and the creative M&A, and pay down debt. Improving the balance sheet and reducing both our debt and leverage ratio remain our highest capital allocation priorities. And now, here's Adam.
Thank you, Jason. Good morning, everybody. We were very pleased to close out 2025 with strong financial results that have, again, met or exceeded expectations across the board. We delivered these results by doing exactly what we said we'd do, getting more from the assets we have, our local stations and our networks, and executing with focus and discipline. What does that look like? Well, in the Scripps Network Division, we exceeded our full year 2025 guidance by delivering nearly 700 basis points of year-over-year margin improvement. This success was driven by our live sports strategy, our streaming revenue initiatives, and disciplined expense management. In local media, expenses remained flat for the year, even as we brought on new growth-driving local sports rights. We've kept expenses down partly by driving down network affiliate fees, reflecting a fundamental shift in the network affiliate dynamic that we expect will continue working in our favor. Now we're building significant momentum for 2026. This year, we expect our financial performance to be buoyed by record midterm election spending, local sports partnerships that are driving industry-leading core advertising performance, national professional sports on ION, the Winter Olympics and the World Cup, continued connected TV revenue growth that outperforms the market, and a creative M&A. Two weeks ago, we announced an enterprise-wide transformation plan designed to improve operating performance and unlock new value. As part of that plan, we will grow our enterprise EBITDA run rate by $125 to $150 million by 2028. We'll achieve this improved EBITDA through cost savings and, just as importantly, through revenue growth initiatives. We're leaning hard into the opportunities that technology, AI, and automation can deliver to how we operate, the tools we use in our work, and the revenue we generate. But we also are being thoughtful. After much research, experimentation, and testing in the space, I can confidently say that this shift will enhance revenue and not diminish the quality nor the quantity of our On the contrary, making full use of technology is exactly what is necessary to modernize and improve it and to ensure we can stay committed to American audiences and advertisers. While we're now unveiling our plan for investors and sharing quantifiable targets for financial models, we actually launched this effort a year ago. Last summer, we consolidated and centralized every technology, engineering, and IT function in the company to enhance efficiency and efficacy. We knew those changes had to be a precursor to this plan, given the role AI, automation, and technology will play in our future. The plan we are now executing will improve EBITDA by nearly a third, taking full advantage of opportunities for efficiency. But make no mistake about it, this is not about contraction. It's about growth. For Scripps, it has always been about growth. This company was founded nearly 150 years ago. Our founder, E.W. Scripps, was a savvy capitalist who understood from the outset that doing well and doing good weren't in conflict at all. Rather, they were critical to each other. E.W.'s entrepreneurial spirit has often driven this company to take a contrarian approach to the marketplace, and investors have benefited. For the entirety of our history, we have leaned into opportunities others overlooked, Starting with the company's founding, when EW built a newspaper empire directed at the working class, a segment of the population that had been mostly ignored by other newspaper barons of his time. That customer-first approach has continued into more modern times, such as when we were laying coax cable in the ground, even as skeptics said no one would pay for television. and when we built HGTV and the original Scripps Lifestyle cable networks while peers focused on their high-margin newspapers. More recently, combining the Cates Networks and ION allowed us to diversify away from retransmission revenue, increase the revenue yield on our spectrum, and move into the burgeoning marketplace of streaming. The networks business has allowed us to use ION stations to capitalize on our unparalleled reach with the collapse of the regional sports networks and to carve out a leadership position in women's sports, all of which is fueling the revenue growth performance differentiating us today. Now you are witnessing yet another Scripps inflection point that builds upon this recent success. Whereas in E.W. Scripps' day, information, news, and entertainment were scarce, today they are abundant. What is scarce is real human connection. Scripps is uniquely positioned to create value through a fundamental reorientation around what is becoming our company's greatest role in society today. That is, during a time of political polarization, disinformation, and discord, when Americans report feeling increasingly isolated and alone, we see an open lane for economic value creation by embracing the mission to help Americans make authentic personal connections. Today, Scripps operates in the parts of media where the opportunity for connection is real and shared. Local communities, live sports, trusted journalism, and entertainment brands that still gather audiences across generations. These are environments that drive engagement, deliver measurable outcomes for advertisers, and create durable customer and consumer relationships. Because of our company's long-standing reputation for independence and community stewardship, we are uniquely positioned at this moment to deliver what Americans need most, a coalescing sense of purpose and connection. Through our local neighborhood news strategy, we are connecting people to one another and to the communities where they live. Our sports and entertainment programming is connecting people to their passions, to their favorite teams, and to one another through meaningful experiences. Our advertising products are moving past aggregating eyeballs to connecting brands and businesses with the valuable customers they seek. And we're both growing and identifying new business opportunities similarly centered on the consumer and connection. Our transformation strategy has two major elements. First, we're going even farther to improve our operating results. This is the EBITDA growth that I discussed earlier. It's the accretive M&A and portfolio optimization we've been undertaking as a result of the long-overdue changes in the regulatory environment, and it's the continued focus on improving our balance sheet. Becoming more efficient, leveraging technology, AI, and automation, and consolidation-driven M&A are crucial to creating shareholder value. But they're not paths to organic growth. In some cases, they're merely short-term financial engineering. And so the second aspect of our transformation, we grow organically. Our new company vision, We Create Connection, is opening up opportunities that are both adjacent to our current businesses and outside of them where we have a right to win. We expect both adjacencies and greed-filled opportunities to produce benefits to the bottom line. For a good example of this strategy, look at what we're already doing with Scripps Sports. I defy you to come up with anything in this country that connects people to each other and to their communities right now more than live sports. When audiences, advertisers, teams, and leagues all told us that they were navigating distinct challenges in the fragmented media marketplace, we leveraged our unparalleled reach with linear television and streaming to solve their problems, moving us into an entirely new marketplace that is creating the revenue growth in our earnings that you're not seeing with our peers. That's a straight line between our focus on connection, the customer's problems to be solved, and economic value for Scripps shareholders. Our company is palpably energized by the opportunity. Several weeks ago, we gathered more than 200 Scripps employees together to begin executing this transformation plan, and in the weeks since, the circle has been steadily expanding. Our colleagues across the country are engaged in this work and are excited by the opportunity to drive this important company farther, faster, and into the future. And so am I. The next few years will be pivotal as we accelerate our momentum, so I'm grateful that the Scripps Board has decided to extend my contract until the end of 2029. I have the collective creativity and talent of nearly 5,000 colleagues behind me. I believe deeply in our ability to execute yet another Scripps transformation, and I am committed to seeing it through. And now, operator, we're ready for questions.
Operator
Thank you. As a reminder, to ask a question, you will need to press star 11 on your telephone. To remove yourself from the queue, you may press star 11 again.
Speaker 7
Please stand by while we compile the q a roster our first question comes from the line of dan kernos of benchmark stone x your line is open dan great thanks good morning um first uh adam let me just say congrats on your extension you've obviously shepherded the company through a lot of turbulent times so i think well deserved uh for you so um with that uh i guess two questions um first just on the broader environment you know adam you've always said and you clearly have demonstrated so far that you're open to unlocking value for shareholders a lot of moving pieces here with both acquisitions and divestitures do things change like how are you contemplating in sort of the we're running tangent here we've got a transformation plan but if the fcc eliminates the cap and then we see nextar tegna close does that change the landscape and the way um that you think things will maybe fall into place or other opportunity sets that could come about and then i have a follow-up
Yeah, thanks, Dan, and I appreciate the kind words. You know, from my perspective, transformation actually positions us better for the possibility of participating in M&A, but as I said earlier, consolidation, which, you know, I absolutely think is an opportunity and necessary, is financial engineering. And what we're after, what even a post-consolidation Scripps would have to be after, is organic growth. You know, relative to M&A, it's important to know we've been active in the M&A marketplace from the outset, you know, executing our plan to improve the performance of our portfolio and to improve the balance sheet. Every deal that we have announced has either put cash in our pocket or it will increase segment profit, and some benefit both. I'm referencing the announced sales of the two stations at premium sellers multiples, the gray swap, the sale of core TV, the acquisition we announced today of more than 20 stations from INYO that will fold into our network's portfolio and increase segment profit margins. And honestly, I don't think this work is finished. I think we'll continue to look for opportunities to optimize our portfolio and take advantage of changes to the regulatory environment.
Speaker 7
So with that said, Adam, you know, I think you gave a couple examples of how you plan on driving organic growth. But where will we see that? How long will it take to achieve? You've done great things with CTV, for example, and ION. Obviously, local sports and women's sports has been a driver. I assume you're not going to give us the roadmap on some of the adjacencies or even sort of some of the tangents, you know, given for competitive reasons. but is there any way for you to help us think through, you know, when we start to see some of these changes and to what degree and any other incremental examples you could give us besides the one you gave in your prepared remarks?
Yeah, absolutely. I mean, look, I think the growth is going to come from both work that we're doing to enhance the yield on our current businesses and from new opportunities we're seeing in extensions and adjacencies to the businesses we're in now, as well as new, you know, marketplaces of opportunity where we have the right to win. You know, the power, the platforms we have that we own today are so powerful. We see massive opportunities to leverage them to grow enterprise value, significant opportunities ahead. You know, I would also say, you know, there's significant top line upside from things like revenue yield management, improvements to seller productivity and accountability, and additional centralized decision making. This business has traditionally been, I would say, slow to adopt technology in the back office and the front office, this industry. And there's been a fundamental shift in the way technology opens up that opportunity. And we're going to change that tradition at Scripps. We're going to really lean into that opportunity to both improve the efficiency of the business but also improve the yield that we drive from our current assets while we you know explore and then move after other growth opportunities that we expect to be focused on bottom line improvement got it super helpful thank you adam appreciate it thank you our next question comes from the line of michael kapensky of noble capital markets your question please michael thank you um a couple questions um you mentioned uh some key advertising categories
we're driving core and congratulations on a very strong core in the fourth quarter i was wondering how um some of the more interest sensitive categories are performing like auto and some of the housing categories are performing in the first quarter if you can just kind of give us a sense of how that's performing in the first quarter.
Yeah, and so we guided to core up mid single digits in the first quarter, and we saw January start pretty strong. Four of our top five categories were up in January, two of them actually up more than 10 percent. And so there are some categories, you mentioned, for example, home services type categories that maybe is a little weaker right now, but services, our largest category, continues to be strong. Gambling has been strong, and automotive has showed some relative strength as well.
I would also add, Mike, besides the category level view, first quarter, particularly in local, is starting off very strong as a result of the sports partnerships that we have and the upside we have to continue the growth we saw in the fourth quarter with those partnerships.
Yeah, and I think an important point there, and we mentioned the script, but I want to reiterate it. It's not just the addition of the Tampa Bay Lightning, which is a new contract for us. You know, every one of our NHL deals in local is growing in the first quarter versus the prior year. So we're not only winning the deals, but we're continuing to grow them once we win them.
Gotcha. Thanks for that color. And then on terms of political, I know that in the last cycle we had such strong political that political was being booked and advanced. And so I was just wondering, how much visibility do you have in Q2 and Q3 in political advertising at this point?
Thanks, Mike. Yeah, I mean, we're looking at the races. The portfolio, our portfolio lines up quite nicely. We have 16 governor's races. Seven of them I expect to be highly competitive. There are six states and 26 U.S. congressional house races that are expected to be pretty competitive. As it relates to the U.S. Senate, I'd say, you know, we have a couple of very competitive races, notably in Kentucky to replace Mitch McConnell and the special election that will be taking place in Ohio to replace J.D. Vance. The good news is broadcast is going to take the lion's with projections of about 51% of total political spend going to broadcast. But I think it's also really important to point out that Scripps is not built like other local broadcasters because of our network businesses and the success we have in connected TV. So we're also competing in a really meaningful way with our CTV inventory, and that's also going to benefit us during political years. For example, during January, we already saw significant activity in political on CTV with the bulk of that spend concentrated in Texas, Kentucky, North Carolina, and Illinois. So we're taking dollars out of some of the markets today that we don't even have local broadcast in. So when you think about our opportunity in political, it is going to be reflected both in linear with local broadcast and a very strong year with linear political as well as CTV.
Gotcha. Thank you for that. And then in terms of your targeted $125 million to $150 million in annualized dividend growth, can you break down how much of that is expected through cost savings versus revenue initiatives? And then also, can you break down that between the segments?
Yeah. So, Mike, we are looking across each and every revenue and expense line. I don't think we're going to provide a breakdown of exactly how that's going to hit, but I will tell you, you're going to see an impact across the enterprise. Each segment, you know, corporate, you know, there's a focus both on the revenue side, as you said, revenue growth, improving our yield, identifying adjacencies, identifying greenfield opportunities, but also looking at operational efficiencies within our workforce, third-party spend, all of those sorts of things. I mean, we are turning over every rock here.
Yeah, just a little additional commentary. That number, 125 to 150, that's a bankable plan. I think you can take that to the bank as far as I'm concerned. And that should give you a sense as to what the split looks like. I do think there's going to be significant top-line opportunity in growth as a result of this transformation. As I talked about, this is a growth-oriented transformation as we reorient the company towards our new vision of We Create Connection. But, you know, the EBITDA improvement will absolutely be bankable.
Gotcha. And so, Adam, if I hear you correctly, then if there were, let's say, other disruptions and things like that, that you would then look at further cost reductions to achieve that target? Is that what I'm hearing?
I'm not sure I understand.
Like, in other words, like if there were, if we did go through, let's say, you know, some disruptions in the economy and things like that, that you're saying that the 125 to 150 is bankable in terms of achieving that goal, that you would look at other cost reductions to achieve that.
I am very confident in the 125 to 150 target. Gotcha. Just to, like, you know, sort of frame it up, we've spent months examining every opportunity in every corner of the business and the company, the front office, the back office. As I said, I'm confident we'll deliver on the EBITDA targets and be a stronger, more nimble, and more aggressive company. This is not some sort of notional plan. This is a well-laid out and executed plan.
Gotcha. Thanks for the color there. I appreciate that. Thanks, Adam.
Operator
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Stephen Cahall of Wealth Fargo. Please go ahead, Stephen.
Speaker 4
Thanks. A few more on the transformation plan. Maybe first, Jason, the $20 to $30 million that you talked about for 26, is that a run rate number, Or do we think about that as the actual contribution of EBITDA dollars that are additive to like a base case for 2026? And Adam, I mean, this is a massive undertaking. It's very ambitious. You know, I think it's like 30 percent additive to EBITDA. And you talked about how it's bankable. How do you just think about some of the risk of revenue impact? I mean, I imagine a lot of these things either touch current employees, maybe even spook sometimes a little bit of employees in this age of AI disruption. So how do you go about managing, you know, the employee base to make sure that everyone is able to execute against this and you don't face any of that? And then I just have a quick follow-up on M&A.
Steve, I'll go first. So, the $20 million to $30 million is the in-year impact, so it's additive to $26 million in any baseline model you have there. The run rate annualized savings we would expect as we exit the year this year is $60 million to $75 million.
Yeah, Stephen, I mean, there's no question this is a really ambitious undertaking, but I'll tell you, we have engaged employees across the company in the process. This is not a top-down process. This is a bottoms-up process that has really given many of our employees a tremendous sense of agency. And so there's a lot of energy in the company to get this done. Does that mean everybody is on board with the changes? Of course not. But I think the vast majority of our employees recognize that this company is just really, really important to our stakeholders, Not only our shareholders, but the communities that we serve, as well as, frankly, our democracy at this time. And they are bought in to this role that we can play in our society. Over the last couple of years, we have already been aggressively upskilling our employees relative to the use of automation technology and AI. on nearly every town hall I'm on I talk about the importance of employees upskilling and the role that technology is gonna gonna gonna have not only in this company and not only in this industry but more broadly in the environment the workplace environment overall and that's really a part of I would say the consistent approach we've taken to working with our employees to communicate with them with candor and with compassion. And so, you know, I feel really good about the behavioral change that will come as a result of this transformation. This isn't just the transformation of workflows, processes. This is actually a transformation that will see us evolve a much more nimble, aggressive, and competitive company where our employees are both combining a level of accountability and performance orientation as well as sort of the mission approach that Scripps has always been known for. So I feel really great about our about our employees and their engagement in this process.
Speaker 4
Great. Thank you for that, Keller. And then just on the M&A front, I mean, I know we don't like to talk about sort of theoretical things that may or may not happen. You had a very specific situation over the last few months. I get the impression that, you know, the way Sinclair came wasn't necessarily the way that the board or management would like to engage. But I get the impression that, you know, after a proposal, things have kind of now ended. So I guess, is that correct that they've ended? And can you talk about maybe why there isn't scope for more engagement around that potential transaction? Thank you.
Yeah, look, back last year, the Scripps Board of Directors made it clear that Sinclair's proposal wasn't in the interest of all Scripps stakeholders nor shareholders, and they rejected the Sinclair acquisition proposal. Nothing new has happened sense. And I really don't expect it to. Great. Thank you. Thanks, Stephen.
Operator
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Craig Huber of Huber Research Partners. Your line is open, Craig.
Great. Thank you. My first question, can you talk about the cost savings plan here you have? Can you talk about, give me some examples, if you would, please, about how AI is going to help you save costs, improve your product, et cetera. Just give us some examples on that front, please.
Sure, Craig. So, look, there are both significant top line and expense side opportunities using technology and AI. On the expense side, I think opportunities include additional centralization and automation, leveraging cloud computing for production workflows, enhancing news gathering, marketing operations, and enhancing external spend. Again, two important points to be made about these examples. These aren't broad themes or broad brush sort of ideas. They're plans with real business cases. And that's how I have the confidence to know that we're going to execute on that 125 to 150 million dollars in EBITDA improvement. Second, you know, I believe strongly that the cost savings will actually improve our products because I think we're going to bring greater efficacy, more agility to the company. Both content and advertising will be improved. I think it's going to improve our service to audiences and advertisers and, of course, improve our opportunity for top-line value. Going back to Stephen's question, I make sure I answered it clearly. I don't see this in any way as diminishing top-line value. I see this as actually enhancing top-line value.
And then when you say helping with the news gathering, just go a little bit deeper on that, please, and the content, just how AI exists.
Yeah, look, over the last couple of years, as fragmentation has proliferated and people have turned to more and more platforms for their news and information, we have continued to ask our employees to do more with less. And that has diminished the quality of our product. AI opens up the opportunity for us to actually ensure that our reporters, our field journalists, are spending their time doing that which they got into the business to do. Actually report to ensure that they are connecting with the communities that they serve, to ensure that they are speaking directly to our consumer, to ensure that they are actually able to attend the news events and not have to rush off in order to, you know, then post something on the web and then immediately put something on social media and then do four live shots. And so using AI in order to care for some of those things is already opening up opportunity for our journalists to spend more time doing journalism and less time doing what I would characterize as some of the performative aspects or the distribution or production aspects of their job. We want them creating the content. That's where the value is. That's what differentiates us from the commodity news and information that's out there. We don't want them spending their time rewriting broadcast scripts into an AP style story that can go on the web. There's technology that can care for that and we're already using it.
Appreciate that. And then talk to us if you would please about your expectations maybe for the timing of possibly getting rid of the 39% ownership cap and maybe also maybe touch on where do you think things are at now in terms of virtual MVP as a local TV station operator as opposed to relying on the networks? What do you think the path is to get that fixed, to get it resolved? Does it have to go through Congress, or can the FCC do it on that second point? Thank you.
Yeah, well, I mean, I think that you asked two different things. I'll talk first about, you know, maybe my view on the cap. Look, I think the FCC recognizes that local news, local sports, and local programming now entirely depends on the durability of local television, right? The newspapers are just a shell of what they are, and standing in the way of that durability are the rules that essentially prevent consolidation, both in market and nationally. So we think the lifting of the cap and consolidation is necessary to compete on an equal playing field with the national diversified media companies, frankly, to give us the leverage necessary with the networks that are already using their leverage, essentially, to impair our ability to serve local communities. And I think the chairman rightly recognizes that, you know, using their economic leverage to control the local airwaves is a de facto violation of the Communications Act. And so, you know, I believe that the chairman and the FCC will ultimately rectify that by both allowing limited in-market consolidation as well as lifting of the cap. You heard us announce today that we're acquiring the the rest of the stations that we divested when we acquired ION, the INU stations, that will require a waiver or a lifting of the cap to get done and I have a lot of confidence that we'll be able to see that through. I believe this Commission is acting in a way that will rebalance the marketplace. I don't think it's about favoring one platform or another. I think it's just in a way that's trying to make things more fair so that the American people know that they can rely on local television for generations to come. At the same time, I'm now more optimistic that the DOJ has come to recognize that its approach to the local market definition should evolve, because I think the evidence is fairly obvious to anyone who examines it. The net effect should be that the FCC will adopt the court's ruling that strikes down the prohibition against owning two big fours, and then the DOJ will recognize what, you know, Chairman Carr already has, that, you know, we don't just compete against local TV stations. We compete for ad dollars in a crowded and a complex video marketplace, and some in-market consolidation is not only okay, it's actually going to benefit consumers because it's going to safeguard journalism in the markets that we serve. As far as the virtual MVPDs, you know, I'm not sure that that's top of anybody's priority list right now from a government regulatory perspective. Clearly, we would be better off, and we think that both the networks and the local affiliates would be better off if we were to negotiate directly with the virtual MVPDs. In fact, in some cases, I think the virtual MVPDs and the network relationship is compromised because of cross ownership. So, you know, I would expect us to continue beating that drum. And I know that there are folks in Congress that agree. I do think it probably takes a reclassification of the virtual MVPDs as MVPDs. But you just saw that happen in Europe. And, frankly, I don't think there's any reason why we should differentiate between the delivery of our product over Wi-Fi or coax or broadcast. To me, you know, all the same rules apply, the same copyright rules apply, and, frankly, so should the same business dynamics.
So just a quick follow-up there. So what do you think the timing is to lift or eliminate the 39% ownership cap? Do you think it might get done here in the next, say, two months?
I mean, you know, honestly, Craig, there are people far smarter than I am who, or better connected than I am, who might know that answer. Any answer I gave you would be pure speculation. I think it's in the offering. I think it's in the offering. I think it's coming. Whether it's within two months, I don't know. You know, my job is to run this company in a way that adheres to the rules of our regulator. And we will continue to do that while recognizing that we have a regulator who is certainly open to, you know, doing the things that are necessary in order to benefit the business and rebalance the ecosystem. them.
Sorry, one last question. Just can you give us a little more meat on the potatoes of you? What about this ion transaction you're looking to do to pick up these additional TV stations here? What it means for your company? Why you're excited about it? Maybe some financial metrics? Thank you very much.
Yeah, Craig. So just a reminder, you know, that we had to divest these stations to comply with the FCC rules back in 2021. And with current regulatory environment, we think it's the right time to reacquire them. You know, the ownership of these stations is immediately accretive from of the segment profit and a margin perspective, plus we also get some favorable tax benefits. So we have, this transaction will ultimately relieve a significant one-time tax liability we've been carrying on our balance sheet. So when you kind of put all of that together, it just seemed like the right thing to do. There is some regulatory approval, as we said, but ultimately this deal allows us to see an immediate lift, because right now we're paying an affiliate fee to the INYO party for these stations, which goes away as soon as this transaction is closed. Great.
Thank you very much, guys.
Operator
Thank you. My next question comes from the line of Shanna Chum of Barclays. Your line is open, Shanna.
Good morning. Thanks, guys. I realize it could be smaller, but could you provide any additional color on the proceeds from the court TV sale and maybe any economics in terms of multiples there? And then I guess, are you guys looking to sell any other assets like Core TV?
Yeah, thanks, Shanna. So, you know, we were really pleased, as we said, to find a buyer for such a, you know, great and distinctive brand like Core TV. We are not disclosing any specific financial terms, but I will point out the transaction includes both a cash consideration up front as well as a long-term distribution agreement. So, you know, that kind of ultimately created the economic package that we felt was in our best interest to go ahead and execute.
And Shanna, I guess I'd say broadly, we will continue to look at opportunities in the M&A marketplace, particularly in our local media division, where we have the opportunity to get premium multiples for non-core assets that we think can both improve the operating performance of our portfolio and help us improve the balance sheet.
Thanks. And then just on Scripps Networks, I know in 4Q and 1Q, when you guys don't have the WNBA, there tends to be a bit more pressure on Scripps Networks, top line. I think the guide was a little softer than expected, even under the seasonality. So just, you know, you guys talked about positive commentary on political on CTV and growth in advertising in that channel. I guess is the guidance based on heavy live sports at the Super Bowl and Olympics and OneQ that diverted some ad dollars in that channel? Or are you seeing increased competition on the CTV side with more and more players adding kind of fast channels?
Yeah, I can take that. So from From a Q1 guide perspective, you are correct, you know, that networks, because of the sports franchises we have there, typically sees a bit more strength in the summer months when we have the WNBA and NWSL, and so, as such, you know, I think we would be looking to have probably a more favorable guide and comp in second and third quarter. When you kind of unpack the guide of down-high singles, there's a couple things, and one of which I just talked about on the last question is core TV. Core TV is going to create a negative comp for us as we move forward through the rest of this year. So the guide we gave had five weeks of revenue for Core TV in it versus the prior year, which had, obviously, the entire quarter. So you have the Core TV comp issue there. We did see some weakness in DR pricing as we entered the quarter tied to kind of just some of the macroeconomic factors that would impact the DR category. And then the last thing is, and it ties back to my comment on sports, we talked quite a bit last year about the up front. And the fact that the up front from last year, which is currently rolling through our P&L, generally outside of sports programming was a weaker up front. And so we saw that reflected in our Q4 results and in our Q1 guide. But we are, you know, we did do really well in the up front last year tied to our sports properties. So we, you know, we hope to see that and we'll see that benefit as we move into the second quarter.
On the fast front, I would say, yeah, there are more fast channels out there than ever. But, frankly, our channels are among the most premium channels in the marketplace. We have terrific partnerships with the distributors. And so, you know, we don't expect to see growth abate. I mean, I think we've forecasted double-digit growth, and I expect to continue to see that.
Operator
Thanks, Jana. Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Ken Silver of Stiefel. Please go ahead, Ken.
Hey, guys. Thanks very much for the time. Just two topics. First, on the core advertising guide that you gave for the first quarter, I think you said up mid-single digits. I just want to clarify, does that include the Super Bowl and the Olympics? Yes, it does.
It includes the Super Bowl and Olympics. We have 11 NBC affiliates, so we did see some benefit. tied to those, as well as a lift tied to all of our local sports rights, our NHL deals we have.
Got it. So, I guess, I don't know if you want to parse it a little bit, like if you excluded the Olympics and Super Bowl, any sense of how much it would be up?
So, I don't think we're kind of breaking that out. You know, we did see strong performance in our Olympics revenue. We were up about 13% versus where we were back in 2022 and saw a bit of a lift on the Super Bowl as well, switching from Fox last year to NBC. But I don't think we're breaking out beyond that level of detail. I think you also said that our partnerships with live sports on the local level was already seeing significant growth in the first quarter also, which we – each of our NHL contracts – I mean, Tampa Bay is obviously new in the first quarter, but all of the rest of our NHL contracts are showing nice growth year-over-year in their second and third year with us.
All right. Well, hopefully you'll get a bigger lift now after the gold medal. So I hope that goes well. And then just – I want to just ask you one thing.
You mentioned in your prepared remarks about lowered reverse you know network you know reverse comp you know fit to the networks and maybe this is review but can you just talk about that why you expected to be down yes so we've we've been talking about that for the last couple of years I feel like where we there was a paradigm shift from from affiliate fees from increasing to flattish over the last call it two to three years and and now as we see continued pressure on top line with subscriber churn and you know frankly in terms of the product we receive where there's less exclusivity more you know take the MBA example with NBC where you know a lot of that product is available on Peacock we've we've been able to successfully reading here to negotiate decreases as we move forward on the affiliate fees and so while we do expect to see some continued growth on our top line retrans revenue and we guided to kind of upload singles I think the bigger story is the expectation for declining affiliate fees this year okay and you mentioned NBC because is it but is it with the other networks too yes yeah okay all right great thanks appreciate it thank you we have a follow-up question from the line of Craig Hoover Hoover research partners please go ahead Craig yeah thank you just a couple follow-ups if I could um
Adam, how would you describe the advertising environment right now, say versus a year or two years ago? Do you feel it's any better out there, the environment that you're operating in, both on the Scripps network side as well as the local TV station side? Just give us some puts and takes on how you're feeling broadly.
I'd say probably the same, and I'd chalk it up to macro uncertainty. In the same way that Wall Street has its days in which uncertainty drives it up and drives it down, I think on the local and the network side, that level of uncertainty, an unclear picture on what tariffs are going to be, has had an impact on marketers' willingness to spend and has often resulted in buys being placed later. a little bit more of a murky environment for media. I don't see travesty. I don't see advertising recession as much as I see just general softness. I will say our strategy in sports has been all about acquiring the premium inventory for the must-watch programming that advertisers still flock to. And so when I look at what we've got with respect to ION and women's sports and the way we've been able to leverage that inventory in order to drive value across our portfolio in networks, I think that's been a huge driver of success for us. And you can see that when you compare us to our peers in networks. And likewise in local, sports has opened up entirely new categories of advertisers and new advertisers that weren't necessarily local television advertisers that come to the table for us with our local sports franchises. So again, while we have seen what I would characterize as sort of a sideways environment, we have been excelling at opening up new opportunity for us and expanding the number of advertisers and the kinds of advertisers we serve because of the strategies we're executing great thank you very much thanks greg thank you ladies and gentlemen that that is all the time we have for q a and does conclude today's conference call thank you for participating you may now disconnect.
