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Weatherford International plc Q2 FY2024 Earnings Call

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Earnings Call FY2024 Q2 Call date: 2024-07-23 Concluded

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Mohammed Topiwala Head of Investor Relations

Welcome, everyone, to the Weatherford International second quarter 2024 earnings conference call. I'm joined today by Girish Saligram, President and CEO; and Arun Mitra, Executive Vice President and CFO. We will start today with our prepared remarks and then open it up for questions. You may download a copy of the presentation slides corresponding to today's call from our website's Investor Relations section. I want to remind everyone that some of today's comments include forward-looking statements. These statements are subject to many risks and uncertainties that could cause our actual results to differ materially from any expectation expressed herein. Please refer to our latest Securities and Exchange Commission filings for risk factors and cautions regarding forward-looking statements. Our comments today also include non-GAAP financial measures. The underlying details and a reconciliation of GAAP to non-GAAP financial measures are included in our second quarter earnings press release, which can be found on our website. As a reminder, today's call is being webcast, and a recorded version will be available on our website's Investor Relations section following the conclusion of this call. With that, I'd like to turn the call over to Girish.

Thanks, Mohammed, and thank you all for joining our call. I will kick off our prepared remarks with an overview of performance, the thesis on our capital allocation framework, key highlights, and broad market view. Arun will then cover detail on the results, guidance, and liquidity, and I will wrap up with some thoughts on the next phase for Weatherford before opening for Q&A. As illustrated on Slide 3, we delivered excellent margin and cash performance in a quarter that threw out some unplanned events and challenges. In the second quarter of 2024, adjusted EBITDA margins came in at 26%, carving yet another notch on the list of first in the new Weatherford. While this was lifted up by some asset sales, it demonstrates the viability of our thesis on continued margin expansion in the years to come. We delivered adjusted free cash flow of $96 million despite this being an interest-paying quarter. Second quarter revenue grew 3.5% sequentially and 10% year-over-year as every segment improved performance, both sequentially and year-over-year. We are cognizant that revenue came in at the lower end of expectations, and that was due to four main factors. Firstly, there has been significant social unrest in Colombia that curtailed activity for the entire sector. Given our strength in this market and the relative size, the impact on us was greater. Secondly, we had some shifts in activity in Mexico that were again broadly felt across the sector. Third, the storm in May in Houston, unfortunately, had some adverse impact on a few of our facilities that caused operational disruptions for over a week. Finally, we had some shift in timing on different types of asset sales in MPD across the quarters. I realize that this is a lot of information, but we have always believed in transparency. And in a quarter where we did have some softness on revenue, we want to ensure that we are very clear on the why. It is also noteworthy to point out that additional opportunities for offsets on revenue existed, but we remain steadfastly committed to pricing discipline and margin expansion. And given our margin performance, I believe that we continue to make the right trade-offs for longer-term value creation. Most importantly, I am very encouraged by our margin and cash results outperforming despite revenue being impacted slightly. This really demonstrates the potential for longer-term margin expansion that we have. From a regional standpoint, although overall North America revenue was down 6% sequentially, our US land business grew sequentially as production continued to increase with softness in the region, mainly due to Canadian seasonality and negative weather impacts. Our international business demonstrated continued strength, up 6% sequentially and 14% year-over-year, led by 29% year-over-year growth in the Middle East, North Africa, and Asia region. We have now had 13 consecutive quarters of year-over-year international revenue growth with the Middle East, North Africa, and Asia region being a big driver of that, showcasing our continued strength in that region. I also want to highlight that the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia is now the third country in our portfolio to be over 10% of company revenue. Saudi has grown over 35% year-over-year in the first half, and we remain optimistic about future growth potential for us. Over the last several years, we have made significant improvements to our balance sheet. As seen on slide 5, we have repaid over $1 billion of debt, reduced interest cost by over $100 million, added and expanded a credit facility, brought our net leverage ratio down to 0.5 times, and achieved top-tier ROIC of 27.4%. Our disciplined approach to capital allocation and the consistent deployment of free cash flow to repay debt has enabled us to fortify our balance sheet and position us well for the next chapter in our capital allocation story. All of you have been asking for a while now on when we will embark on returning cash to shareholders, and slide 6 lays out capital allocation framework, which consists of five pillars. We will not change our focus on business investment and reducing gross leverage. We will also look for inorganic opportunities that fit our strategic filters. We announced three small acquisitions in February, and I am very pleased with the progress and execution of our team on the integration plans on all of them. Our Board has authorized us to now introduce two new pillars to this framework as we launch our first-ever shareholder return program. The program comprises an annual dividend of $1 per share and a $500 million share buyback authorization to be executed over three years. We arrived at this decision after conducting a thorough analysis of our financial position and extensive modeling of various scenarios to determine the optimal and sustainable capital allocation strategy for us. The determination of the mix between dividends and buybacks was driven by several guiding principles. It was essential to ensure that the dividend was sustainable through cycles, and the buybacks provide a vehicle to ensure that we mitigate dilution and opportunistically return cash to shareholders. At the same time, we wanted to maintain our capital flexibility to pay down debt further, invest in the business, and pursue attractive organic and M&A opportunities. Our focus has always been on creating long-term value for our shareholders, and the process we follow to introduce dividends and buybacks reflects this commitment. Now, turning to our segment overview on slides 8 through 10. The operational and technical highlights showcased advancements in new market penetration, technology adoption, and continued innovation of our product and services portfolio. In Saudi Arabia and Kuwait, our MPD technology gained traction, demonstrating advanced capabilities in precisely maintaining bottom hole pressure, enhancing safety, and optimizing drilling performance in challenging environments. These two illustrations of MPD efficacy give us further confidence in the increased adoption of MPD and the opportunity that affords us. In digital, our ForeSite suite of technology continues to drive value for our customers with the deployment of our first ForSite Sense Fiber Optic monitoring system installation into a gas storage well for a major operator in the Middle East. We also launched ForSite Edge 2.0, our next-generation scalable IoT-enabled automation solution, enhancing customers' advanced autonomous production optimization in real-time. We'll now turn to the market outlook on Slide 12. Our market outlook remains largely unchanged. Across all parts of the well life cycle, there is a continued emphasis on technologies to support predictable, cost-competitive production and security of supply for our customers. We anticipate continued growth in international land and offshore, particularly driven by the Middle East and supported by pockets of double-digit growth in Europe, Sub-Sahara Africa, and Asia. Clearly, there has been a weakening of North America expectations relative to our initial guidance in February. Despite a fairly significant reduction in revenue estimates for North America, I am very encouraged that we continue to see total enterprise revenue for 2024 in the same range as February, due to the strength of the international markets, especially the Middle East. More importantly, we continue to have confidence in delivering approximately 20% year-on-year adjusted EBITDA growth and delivering slightly more than 25% margins coupled with adjusted free cash flow of over $500 million.

Thank you, Girish. Good morning, and thank you, everyone, for joining us on the call. Let us begin with Slides 14 and 15, where I'll walk you through our consolidated results. Revenue for the second quarter of 2024 of $1.4 billion increased 3.5% sequentially and 10% year-over-year. Operating income was $264 million compared to $233 million in the first quarter of 2024 and $201 million in the second quarter of 2023. Net income was $125 million compared to $112 million in the first quarter of 2024 and $82 million in the second quarter of 2023. Adjusted EBITDA of $365 million increased 9% sequentially and 25% year-over-year, with adjusted EBITDA margins of 26%, an expansion of 124 basis points sequentially and 314 basis points year-over-year. The adjusted EBITDA margin performance has been the company's highest in over 15 years. Now moving to our segment results on Slides 16 to 18. Drilling and Evaluation or DRE revenues of $427 million increased by $5 million or 1% sequentially, primarily from higher MPD activity, partially offset by a decrease in drilling-related services mainly due to project delays in Latin America and seasonality in Canada. DRE segment adjusted EBITDA of $130 million was essentially flat sequentially as higher MPD activity, including used equipment sales, was primarily offset by lower drilling-related services in Latin America due to project delays and seasonality in Canada. Well construction and completion or WCC revenues of $504 million increased by $46 million or 10% sequentially, primarily due to higher Completions and Liner-Hangers activity in the Middle East, North Africa, Asia, and Europe, Sub-Sahara Africa. WCC segment adjusted EBITDA of $145 million increased by $25 million, or 21% sequentially, primarily due to higher activity in the Middle East, North Africa, Asia, and Europe, Sub-Sahara Africa. Production and Intervention or PRI revenue of $369 million increased by $21 million, or 6% sequentially, mainly due to increased intervention services and drilling tools and artificial lift activity in the Middle East, North Africa, Asia, and pressure pumping activity in Latin America. PRI segment adjusted EBITDA of $85 million increased by $12 million, or 16% sequentially, primarily from higher overall activity and fall-through in international pressure pumping. Turning to Slide 19 for cash flows and liquidity. In the second quarter, we generated operating cash flow of $150 million, up $19 million sequentially, and adjusted free cash flow was $96 million, up $14 million sequentially despite higher cash interest, cash taxes, and CapEx during the quarter. Our net working capital as a percentage of the last 12 months revenue was 26.3%, a 117 basis points improvement year-over-year. This comes on the back of a 10% year-over-year revenue growth, representing significantly better efficiencies. Second quarter CapEx of $62 million, at 4.4% of revenue was up sequentially and year-over-year. Total cash was approximately $920 million, down $17 million sequentially and down $2 million year-over-year. Furthermore, during the quarter, we redeemed the remaining $82 million of our 6.5% senior secured notes. We now have $1.6 billion in long-term notes in 2030 outstanding. We also increased the credit facility by $40 million to $720 million in aggregate commitments and increased the accordion to have creative flexibility in the future. All of this results in total liquidity available to the company at the end of June 2024 at $1.2 billion. Our judicious approach to capital allocation has enabled us to pay down approximately $1 billion in gross debt over the past three years and reduced interest cost by over $100 million. Debt repayment and increasing access to liquidity have provided us with increased financial flexibility. However, as highlighted in the previous calls, while our net leverage levels remain best-in-class, we remain focused on addressing our overall gross debt levels with an intent to get gross leverage below 1x, while maintaining liquidity of approximately $1 billion to operate the business and manage event risk. As Girish highlighted, we are delivering on our intent to begin our shareholder return program and are initiating a regular quarterly dividend of $0.25 per share to be paid on September 12, 2024, to shareholders of record on August 13, 2024. This equates to approximately $73 million per year based on the current share count. This, along with the $500 million share buyback authorization for the final pillars of our capital allocation framework. This marks a significant turning point for our company and reflects our commitment to building shareholder value on a through-cycle basis. To summarize, our balanced capital allocation approach to investing in technology, organic and inorganic growth debt management, and shareholder returns underscores our focus on sustainable value creation. Turning to our third quarter and full-year 2024 guidance on Slide 20. We remain optimistic about the financial performance and market outlook for the year. Second half revenues will be up mid-single digits versus the first half. But the sequential increases will be more pronounced in the fourth quarter. We do have some potential timing shifts between September and October, and hence, our revenue range for the third quarter is between flat and up low single digits sequentially and mid to high single digits on a year-over-year basis. Across the segments, our total year guidance remains the same. However, there is potential for some mix shift on the latter part of the year, but we do not expect that to have an effect on margin performance. We still expect DRE to lead revenue growth for the year. Given the well life cycle, this is a positive as we continue to see strength in the upfront training programs with growth to follow in completions and production. Adjusted EBITDA margins for the third quarter are expected to be approximately 25%, an expansion of 150 basis points year-over-year. The sequential drop is a function of the acceleration of MPD asset sales from Q3 into the second quarter and shifts in mix. CapEx is expected to be in the range of $70 million to $80 million for the third quarter and approximately 5% of revenue for the full year. Adjusted free cash flow is expected to be approximately 50% higher than the second quarter. Our free cash flow in the second half of the year will be significantly higher than the first half with conversion to be expected over 40%. This will enable full-year adjusted free cash flow to be above $500 million, despite higher CapEx, cash taxes, and continued net working capital investments.

Thanks, Arun. I want to close our prepared remarks with a glimpse of the future. The last 4 years have been nothing short of a remarkable turnaround, driven by the passion, commitment, and execution by this incredible One Weatherford team. From a company that was teetering on the edge of bankruptcy, never having delivered 2 consecutive years of free cash flow and with single-digit EBITDA margins to where we are today, announcing a shareholder return program, EBITDA margins of 26%, and the fifth consecutive year of strong free cash flow generation. It has been a privilege to speak about what this team delivers, and I could not be prouder of how far we have come. What is far more exciting though is where we see ourselves going. With the same rigor on operating intensity, but fueled with the capability of more differentiating technology, larger scale, and inorganic opportunities, we believe we have the opportunity to deliver EBITDA margins in the high 20s in the next three years. With a laser-like focus on net working capital efficiency and a further improvement in interest burden, we should be able to deliver free cash flow conversion in the 50% range over the same period. Our internal investments will be aimed at delivering return on invested capital that approaches 30%. All of this will enable significant cash generation, providing an opportunity to return around 50% of that to shareholders through the framework we have outlined, leaving sufficient dry powder for organic places that will reinforce this entire thesis. We believe that the international and offshore cycle remains vibrant, and we are excited about partnering with our customers and delivering value to them and to our shareholders as it unfolds. And now operator, please open the call for questions.

Operator

Thank you. We will now begin the question-and-answer session. Our first question today will come from Luke Lemoine with Piper Sandler.

Speaker 4

Hey good morning.

Good morning, Luke.

Good morning, Luke.

Speaker 4

Girish, you hit another 15-year high here, 26% EBITDA margins despite the four factors you mentioned along with the Canadian breakup. Can you help us just bridge 2Q margins to 3Q margin guidance along with some of the main drivers? I know you already talked about where you see the margins heading over the next few years in the high 20s. But if you could just talk about 2Q to 3Q a little more, that would be helpful.

Yes. Sure, Luke. And I appreciate that it feels a little incongruous, sort of the irony is if we had come in at about 25% in Q2, it would have been a lot simpler. But look, I think a couple of things. One, as we mentioned in our prepared remarks, we had some MPD asset sales that happened in Q2 that won't repeat the same way in Q3. So that creates a little bit of margin pressure just the way those transactions are structured. So that is one piece. The second piece is we've talked for a very long time about the infrastructure improvements that we continue to make in the company that are paying off. We've got a little bit higher element of that coming into Q3. And the third element really is mix. So, we've got some mix changes that are happening between Q2 and Q3 with a little bit more pressure on margins from that standpoint. But look, I think what is really important to also consider is just the overall progression of margins at 25% in Q3; it's still 25%. Those are very, very strong EBITDA margins, and we expect to again see an uptick in Q4. So, the total year will now be slightly ahead of 25%.

Speaker 4

And Arun, you alluded to some of this with the 3Q revenue guide. This implies 4Q will be up fairly substantially to the full year in line with guidance. I know you'll give us the 4Q outlook on the next call, but can you just give us a high-level overview of some of the drivers in 4Q versus 3Q for revenues?

Look, typically, what happens, Luke, in the fourth quarter is we cannot uplift product deliveries. We have built up inventory for the first half, and you will see us scaling back on the inventory as we ship products out. So the way things evolve, there could be some shifts between September and October, and that is why we mentioned what we did. If product deliveries were to move out from September into October, there could be some revenue shifts between Q3 and Q4.

Speaker 4

Okay. Got it. Thanks very much.

Sure.

Operator

And our next question will come from James West with Evercore. Please go ahead.

Speaker 5

Hey, good morning, Girish, Arun.

Good morning, James. How are you doing?

Speaker 5

Good. Congratulations on achieving a significant milestone with the shareholder return framework. I know it has been a journey to reach this point, so I'm sure you are very happy to be here. Girish, I wanted to ask about the Middle East and North Africa markets. I know there is a lot of tendering activity in Saudi Arabia and the UAE, and you have historically had a strong presence in those markets. Could you discuss the trends you are observing and when, assuming you capture your fair share as you usually do, the additional work is expected to start reflecting in your revenue earnings?

Yeah. So, James, look, I think great question. First of all, I think you're spot on. We continue to see strong activity, and it's reasonably secular, I would say, across most of the countries. We've talked a lot about the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, but we see it in Oman, Kuwait, the UAE, etc., so multiple different countries. So that's why we are so optimistic about the vibrancy of the cycle. Now, kind of when it shows up, I would say, look, we are already seeing a lot of that. We talked about the Middle East revenue growth. So a big part of that is because we've been able to do well, both from a pricing standpoint as well as from a share standpoint, and I think that's important to highlight. We've been able to get both of those elements simultaneously. That's showing up now. We will continue to see that. I think just the nature of the math is going to suggest that the percentage might actually decrease a little bit because we have grown so much around that. But dollar-wise, we still think there is a lot of activity to come in the next few years.

Speaker 5

Okay, okay. Got it. And then, as you've gotten to this point with the balance sheet in great shape now, you guys have started to do some bolt-on acquisitions here. Does the M&A strategy shift at all? Is it going to be still kind of small technology tuck-ins, or do you start to look at bigger opportunities?

Yeah. Look, I think the filters stay the same. I think we are certainly more open to variation on scale. So it was really important for us to make sure that we had the operating muscle, first of all, internally to execute. I think we have gotten very confident and comfortable with that, though we never take it for granted. And then, secondly, we wanted to make sure we actually knew how to go ahead and do these acquisitions. So the capability that we have now developed over the past several months with doing due diligence and integrating small acquisitions, we feel comfortable that we can scale that up. But what will not change is the strategic filters that we look at, which is really making sure it's something that gives us a strategic advantage. It is ultimately margin-leveraging through synergies, ultimately. It's deleveraging, ideally, for the company generates cash and really ultimately creates longer-term value. That will not change. But yes, look, I think we're open to multiple different ideas, but it's got to fit that filter.

Speaker 5

Okay. Got it. Thanks, Girish.

Thanks, James.

Operator

And our next question will come from David Anderson with Barclays. Please go ahead.

Speaker 6

Hi, good morning, Girish. How are you?

Good. How are you doing?

Speaker 6

I'm doing great. So look, if we look back the past few years, the margin expansion story really stands out here. A lot of it is in so-called self-help that you reset the cost structure and improved operations. Now it doesn't sound like we're seeing much in the way of pricing increase across the market. Let's assume we don't get any from here. You highlight – you were targeting kind of high 20s EBITDA margins from here. So what's going to be the bigger driver of margin expansion kind of 2025 and beyond? Is it going to be mix from increasing revenue from, say, TRS and NPDs, offshore ramps up? Or is it more likely to come internally as you consolidate repair maintenance facilities to make improvements to the supply chain? So I'm just kind of curious, is it market? Or is it internal in order to achieve those targets?

Yes, great question, Dave. I believe there are a couple of important factors to consider. First, I would assert that pricing has played a crucial role in our growth, benefiting both our top line and our margins. Notably, as indicated in our earlier report, approximately 20% of our increase in 2023 can be attributed to pricing. This has been significant for us, and we are committed to ensuring that we do not sacrifice margins for the sake of increasing volume. Looking ahead, I think there are a few different elements to consider. I don't anticipate that mix will be a major factor; while there may be quarterly fluctuations, it is unlikely to be a fundamental driver of long-term margin changes. Instead, I see three key elements at play. First, we have technology introductions, which can help us gain incremental market share and improve pricing as we demonstrate added value. Second, our fulfillment efforts are something we’ve discussed, and I expect they will start yielding benefits in 2025 and 2026, leading to better asset utilization and lower costs. Finally, while our team has made impressive strides in operational efficiency, I believe there are still opportunities for further improvement in our structural costs, which we will focus on in the coming years. This outlook gives us confidence in our long-term objectives.

Speaker 6

Great. Very clear. Thank you. I want to go back to a really strong quarter. While we may not know the exact situation in the Middle East, the growth in the Middle East, North Africa, and Asia, which is up 9% sequentially, is leading all the other peers who have reported so far. This growth appears to be quite broad-based. You pointed out that Saudi Arabia is up 35%. In the first half of the year, Kuwait and Abu Dhabi were also mentioned. I'm curious about how much of this growth is driven by natural gas, which is increasingly becoming a significant resource from the Middle East. Additionally, is the growth we're witnessing due to new contracts being signed, existing programs that are ramping up, or are you simply gaining market share in your core services, which you hinted at earlier?

Yeah. So look, I would say from an incremental standpoint, I think natural gas is certainly a factor in it as we are seeing more of a shift in the broader region towards that, both onshore and offshore. So that's certainly paying a big factor and especially offshore look when it comes to some of our specialty services around MPD, TRS, etc. that creates additional value that falls through. In terms of the contracts themselves, Dave, though, look, I think, again, it's a little bit of a mix. A big part of it is the two new contracts that we won and announced towards the end of 2022, and that really ramped up over the course of last year and this year, which is our LSTK contract in Saudi and our integrated projects contract in Oman. So they have certainly been a big factor of the incremental growth that we have seen. But at the same time, as I pointed out in, I think, the earlier question, we are seeing on the contracts that we're bidding on, we are so far being able to get both pricing and share, and we're not going to make a trade-off on getting just more share without getting price. So that's something that we are very focused on and the way to bridge that gap, we believe is through technology differentiation and find something that actually fits customer value requirements.

Speaker 6

Fantastic. Thank you very much.

Thanks, Dave.

Operator

And our next question will come from Ati Modak with Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.

Speaker 7

Hi, good morning team. Can you talk about the debt paydown cadence we should expect and what timeline you're thinking about in terms of achieving the interest coverage parity?

You should continue to see debt paydown in a manner that makes sense. Additionally, the cost of debt is important. We aim to reach a gross leverage of less than one, and it's essential that this is achieved at the right cost. While we haven’t provided a specific timeline, you can expect us to keep paying down debt while also working on reducing the cost of debt.

Speaker 7

Got it. And then as we think about the potential sizes of M&A and the cash component, how rigid is the $1 billion in liquidity? Is that cash and revolver? And how do you expect to manage that over time as you pursue M&A?

Look, we believe at this point that $1 billion is what we want to have approximately, while we do every other thing, run the business, manage risk and also indulge in other capital allocation topics. So I would expect to be around $1 billion, including RCF at all times.

Speaker 7

Thanks. I’ll turn it over.

Operator

And our next question will come from Jim Rollyson with Raymond James. Please go ahead.

Speaker 8

Hey good morning, Girish, Arun.

Good morning, Jim.

Speaker 8

Girish, on the new capital allocation framework that you've added some pillars too, which congrats on that. I'm curious how you guys think about the share repurchase program, because we've seen some companies that do this just pretty systematically and we've seen some guys that do it more opportunistically. And obviously, the $500 million has a three-year time horizon. So how are you thinking about the approach to that?

That's a great question, Jim. We don't want to commit to a very specific formula at this point. Ultimately, what you'll see is that it won't be a rigid, predetermined amount every quarter. Instead, we will adopt a combination of strategies over time. We will definitely maintain a systematic approach while also allowing for the flexibility to seize opportunities as they arise. Our goal is to create value rather than strictly adhering to a programmatic amount each month or quarter.

Speaker 8

Yeah, that makes perfect sense. And then you highlighted a couple of the issues that hit you in the quarter, one being some of the issues in Latin America, one being in the storm you had in Houston earlier in the second quarter. Just curious how Latin America is kind of trending today? And how that outlook is going forward? And similarly, any impact from the hurricane in Houston here in July?

I'm gaining a deeper understanding of storm systems than I expected. Regarding Latin America, all those factors are included in our guidance. I mentioned Colombia, where the situation is changing. There are some positive signs, but challenges remain. We've considered all of that. Now that the elections are over in other Latin American countries and Mexico, there's still some uncertainty. We believe it will be a much better quarter, and things should improve sequentially. However, we are being careful not to get too ahead of ourselves. I would describe our outlook as cautiously optimistic. This region has been excellent for us, showing significant growth in Latin America. Our overall expectations for the year for this region still align with what we discussed in February.

Speaker 8

Perfect. Thank you. Appreciate that.

Thanks.

Operator

And our next question will come from Scott Gruber with Citigroup. Please go ahead.

Speaker 9

Yes. Good morning.

Yeah, Scott. Good morning, Scott.

Speaker 9

I just want to come back to the medium-term margin outlook, which is great to hear in the high 20s. How do you think about the cadence of margin improvement in the years ahead, given that most of it is within your control via how you're pushing forward with the internal efficiency efforts and technology rollout? Would you expect the improvement over the next three years to be fairly ratable, the more front-end loaded, back-end loaded? How should we think about it?

Yeah. So Scott, there isn't a definitive formula. Let me sort of though, however, reiterate some of the things we have talked about and our overall philosophy on margins. We always taken this view that we plan our business around flat activity, and then we hold ourselves accountable to make sure that we improve our margins, I'll call it, this 50 basis points sort of range, plus or minus a little bit, right? And then when activity comes through and you have fall-throughs, they're typically higher that accelerates the achievement of the margin increases amplitude. So that's really how we think about it. So what I would say is as we go from this sort of 25% to high 20s, that baseline is sort of 50-ish a year, 50 bps a year. And then as activity comes in and revenue growth modulates up or down, that will sort of be the incremental or decremental on that, if you will. But from an internal standpoint, that's really what we are trying to get to at a very minimum on flat activity each year.

Speaker 9

Got you. I was curious about your opinion, I mean, you have some great growth momentum, particularly in the Middle East. But obviously, energy investors are skeptical of oil service earnings pretty much across the board in 2025. But just looking at where consensus sits for your growth in the next year, it's kind of the higher end of mid-single digits. Do you think that's a reasonable starting point with how you see the project schedule come together later this year?

Yes, I think that's a very diplomatic way of asking for 2025 guidance, Scott, but no, look, we have been not giving guidance on 2025 yet. But I do think, look, we have talked about a couple of things that are relevant, right? One is we don't see the cycle going away anytime soon. We've talked about it being vibrant. We continue to see contracts come up. So I think all of that suggests that there will be continued growth in the overall sector, and we're optimistic about that. Now what is the exact magnitude around it? We're going to have to wait a little bit for us to actually come out and give some specific guidance around that, right? I'm not going to get drawn into a range right now, but I think it is definitely reasonable to say there will be revenue growth as we head into 2025.

Speaker 9

Yes. I appreciate the color. Thanks guys. I'll step back.

Thanks, Scott.

Operator

And our next question will come from Doug Becker with Capital One. Please go ahead.

Speaker 10

Girish, the capital allocation framework indicates that about 50% of free cash flow, or more accurately, adjusted free cash flow, will be returned to shareholders. Do you consider this an annual target for flexibility, or a multiyear target that also offers flexibility while serving as an annual target as we think about shareholder returns moving forward?

Yes, Doug, there is no specificity on an annual target on this. This is sort of over the course of the program. Look, again, our whole intent on this is a couple things. Number one, most importantly, is to make sure we create value. We've got all of the mechanics and the mechanisms in place. But at the same time, we want to preserve flexibility to do the things that matter in creating longer-term value for the company, having dry powder for M&A, making sure we're driving the organic investments that we need to. Look, the dividend obviously is pretty prescriptive. It's pretty specific. So that kind of sets a baseline, but the rest of it really is over that period. So it's not an annual and certainly not a quarterly target.

Speaker 10

I believe that makes sense. Arun, I wanted to return to the revenue growth discussion. Can you provide more detail on the annual guidance? I understand this might seem a bit meticulous, but when I examine the third quarter guidance and the annual guidance, to achieve high teens growth in DRE year-over-year or mid-single digits in PRI, it indicates we are looking at significant sequential growth. However, WCC might see a slight decline. Am I understanding this correctly? Any further insights on the revenue growth outlook would be appreciated.

Hey, Doug, you are right that there is quite a bit of dependence in Q4 overall for the enterprise. And again, a lot of that has to do with product deliveries, as I mentioned, activity in Latin America picking up the way we anticipate. So you should see activity, which is comparable in terms of the growth as you've seen in the past, in Q4; there will be more products going out this Q4 than what you would have seen in the past. So yes, you are right, while the sequential growth between Q3 and Q2 is a little muted, but we fully anticipate to make up for that in Q4.

Speaker 10

Got it. Thank you.

Operator

And our next question will come from Kurt Hallead with Benchmark. Please go ahead.

Speaker 11

Hey good morning, everybody.

Good morning.

Speaker 11

Thanks again for all the color and the extended outlook in terms of the margin improvement and free cash flow conversion. Obviously, continues to speak to the growth story being intact. And given your ability to deliver over the last couple of years, there should be little doubt that you're going to get there. So anyway, that's my advertisement for you guys. So Girish, really kind of curious here in terms of the international business. And as you kind of think about the prospect for the pace of contracting and again, not looking for specific percentages or anything. We're really looking at some qualitative assessment on your front? And where do you think the bulk of future growth is going to come from, again, not looking for percentages, just some qualitative commentary.

Yes. We still view the broader Middle East region as the primary driver of future growth. This is due to a combination of offshore gas and ongoing oil activities, considering the decline rates in reservoirs. There's a considerable amount of discussions and tender activities happening. As we look ahead to the next few years, we're not very worried about a drastic change in that outlook or a significant slowdown. Conversely, Latin America performed exceptionally well last year. While it continues to grow this year, the pace is lower due to shifts towards energy independence and more export opportunities. This region could also see substantial growth. On the North America side, we anticipate that activity will remain relatively flat for a while, with the potential for improvement in the latter half of next year. Overall, we expect the majority of growth to emerge from the Middle East and Latin America, with the Middle East being the key area of focus.

Speaker 11

Okay. That's great. And I know you made some reference to some M&A dynamics and some small things that you've done so far. Like when you think about it in the context of either product line technology or geography? What do you see on the horizon, again, not specifics, but what do you see on the horizon that can really add to your current portfolio?

Yes. Look, I think from a couple of different angles. First is more offshore capability, that would be something that is really interesting just given how confident we are in the cycle. I think getting more of a portfolio advancement capability there would be interesting. And then secondly, on the very longer-term basis, right, more production orientation, those are the kinds of things. But ultimately, look, for us, what we really try to do is across our portfolio, we've got a portfolio that is a little more production and development-oriented, but it's all based on differentiating technology. So, things that can help in that help us conquer some white space, gain additional share through creation of that differentiating value, those are things that we are very interested in.

Speaker 11

Okay, great. And maybe just to kind of wrap it up on the shareholder distribution. You made a reference on the share repo to pretty much keep share count creep in check. But as time goes on, do you think that there is an opportunity to outright reduce the share count?

There is definitely an opportunity, and that was the core idea behind our approach. However, we want to avoid being too prescriptive about this. Ultimately, it will depend on what makes the most sense at the right moment.

Speaker 11

Excellent. Thank you. Appreciate it.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Operator

And our next question will come from Saurabh Pant with Bank of America. Please go ahead.

Speaker 12

Hi, good morning Girish and Arun.

Hey Saurabh. Good morning.

Hey Saurabh.

Speaker 12

Good morning. Maybe I want to start with a question on your three-year outlook, especially on the free cash flow front. I think it's really important that you see a path to 50% intent of free cash flow conversion, right? It's a big step-up because if you just look at the implied guidance for this year and using $500 million of free cash, right? It's about 35%, maybe a little more than that free cash flow conversion, right? Can you just walk us through the path of how do we get from 35%, call it, round number to 50%. What are the moving pieces? Just talk to that a little bit maybe?

So, Saurabh, it's really about the efficiencies we see ourselves achieving consistently. Currently, our revenue stands at about 26.5%. Over the next three years, we aim to bring that down to below 25%. This means improved conversion and reduced interest costs as we pay down our debt and manage the associated interest expenses, leading to greater conversion and tax efficiency. Over the next three years, we expect our effective tax rate and cash taxes to gradually improve. While this won't happen immediately, our cash taxes are currently between 14% and 15%, and we anticipate a reduction of a few percentage points. The combination of these factors will contribute to better conversion.

And Saurabh, if I can add, look, I think it's also important to again remember, we had a little bit of a switch this year in our free cash flow given the acceleration of some payments into Q4 of last year that we talked about in February. So, as a result, we had much stronger Q4 in 2023 and the free cash flow sort of shifted. So, on a normalized basis, this year is probably in the low 40s.

Speaker 12

Okay, that's very helpful, Girish, because it's important to establish a starting point for investors to set their expectations for next year and 2026. This is very useful. Additionally, as a follow-up regarding your capital allocation framework slide, you indicated that CapEx should be in the 3% to 5% range. It's notable that you believe the current 5% represents the peak on a sustained basis. Under what conditions should we expect CapEx as a percentage of revenue to drop below 5%?

Our 3% to 5% range is tied to the business cycle. We expect it to be closer to 5% during an up cycle when we focus more on growth-related capital expenditures, while it may drop to around 3% in a down cycle, where it would be more centered on maintenance capital expenditures. As long as we maintain our current cycle and see ongoing growth, we anticipate it will trend closer to that 5%. It's essential to emphasize that this is not a specific quarterly target; it's more of an ongoing outlook over an 18-month period due to the variability of our capital expenditure outflows.

Speaker 12

Absolutely. I understand completely. If I may add one more question, Girish, could you provide more details about the shift in activity in Mexico that you mentioned in your prepared remarks? What specifically are we referring to? Should we anticipate any changes or a return to normal in the near future?

Yeah. So look, again, I think first I'll start with the latter part of the question. We did indicate that overall, Latin America should be better this quarter versus Q2 on a sequential basis. So we will see some of that reversing. And all it was really was just customer planning around wealth sequences and what they decided just to shift it out a little bit in the latter part of the quarter. So that's really what it was. Nothing untoward, nothing that gives us any signal for longer-term body or anything. It's just normal operational changes that happened. We just didn't have enough opportunity to offset that. That's really all it was.

Speaker 12

Okay, perfect. No, that’s very helpful. Okay, Girish, Arun, thank you. I’ll turn it back.

Thanks, Saurabh.

Operator

This will conclude our question-and-answer session. I'd like to turn the conference back over to management for any closing remarks.

Great. Thank you all so much for joining the call. Appreciate the time, as always, and we'll be back in three months to talk about the Q3 results. Thank you.

Operator

The conference has now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect your lines at this time.