Crescent Capital BDC, Inc. (CCAP) Q2 2025 Earnings Call Transcript

Good morning and welcome to Crescent Capital BDC Inc. second quarter and the June 30, 2025 earnings conference call. Please note that Crescent Capital BDC Inc. may be referred to as CCAP, Crescent BDC, or the company throughout the call. I'll start with some important reminders. Comments made over the course of this conference call and webcast may contain forward-looking statements on our subject to risks and uncertainties. The company's actual results could differ materially from those expressed in such forward-looking statements for any reason, including those listed in its SEC filings. The company assumes no obligation to update any such forward-looking statements. Please note that past performance or market information is not a guarantee of future results. I'll now turn the call over to Dan McMahon.

Thank you. Yesterday after the market closed, the company issued its earnings press release for the second quarter ended June 30, 2025, and posted a presentation to the Investor Relations section of its website at www.crescentbdc.com. The presentation should be reviewed in conjunction with the company's Form 10-Q filed yesterday with the SEC. As a reminder, this call is being recorded for replay purposes. Speaking on today's call will be CCAP's Chief Executive Officer Jason Brough, President Henry Chung, and Chief Financial Officer Gerhard Lombard. With that, I'd now like to turn it over to Jason.

Thank you, Dan.

Hello, everyone, and thank you all for joining us.

I'll start today's call by summarizing our second quarter results, follow that with some thoughts on the market, and touch on our portfolio. In terms of second quarter earnings, we reported net investment income of $0.46 per share compared to $0.45 per share in the first quarter. Excluding $0.02 per share of one-time accelerated amortization related to deferred financing costs, NII was $0.48 per share. Importantly, earnings remain in excess of our dividend with 110% base dividend coverage for the quarter. NAV per share was down approximately 0.4% for the quarter, driven primarily by the second of three previously announced five cents per share special dividends related to spillover income that was paid during the quarter. Now let's discuss what we are seeing in our markets and our positioning. Fuel activity remained relatively constrained in Q2, given ongoing tariff discussions and regulatory uncertainty. This policy-driven volatility has augmented an already robust pipeline of potential PE exits. Hold times for many private equity-owned assets continue to extend, furthering the pressure from LPs to both deploy dry powder and return capital. During periods of heightened volatility that typically include reductions in overall M&A volume, our deployment benefits from a large and diversified existing portfolio across the Crescent private credit platform. Across the platform, add-ons to existing portfolio companies accounted for approximately half of total investments by count during the second quarter. Additionally, incumbency is an important aspect of our origination efforts, whereby Crescent has demonstrated the ability to remain as lead lender in strong performing credits even after change of sponsor ownership without committing to portable capital structures. From an underwriting perspective, we benefit directly from seeing how these companies fared through the pandemic, wage inflation, and supply chain disruptions over our old period. From an execution perspective, this knowledge and familiarity with management teams allows us to move quickly and with conviction, and that is something that the sponsors with whom we partner with value greatly. On new opportunities, our private credit platform has maintained lead roles in the majority of our transactions, and we continue to drive stringent documentation. Given our focus on the core and lower middle market, we believe we are able to drive better structural protections than deals in the more competitive upper middle market segment or BSL replacement segment. Now let's shift gears and discuss the investment portfolio. Please turn to slides 13 and 14. We ended the quarter with just over $1.6 billion of investments at fair value across a highly diversified portfolio of 187 companies with an average investment size of approximately 0.6 percent of the total portfolio. Our top 10 largest borrowers represented 18 percent of the portfolio as we are believers in modulating credit risk through position size. We have consistently maintained an investment portfolio that consists primarily of first lien loans since inception, selectively representing 91 percent of the portfolio at fair value at quarter end. Additionally, we take comfort in the fact that our portfolio is focused on domestic service-oriented businesses that, in our view, carry lower direct policy risk from tariffs and other recently proposed and implemented government policies. Finally, our investments are almost entirely supported by well-capitalized private equity sponsors, with 99% of our debt portfolio in sponsor-backed companies as of quarter-end. We have partnered with our sponsors to invest in well-capitalized borrowers with significant equity capital beneath us. We note that the weighted average loan-to-value in the portfolio at time of underwrite is approximately 39%. Moving on to our dividend, we declared a third quarter 2025 regular dividend of $0.42 per This dividend is payable on October 15, 2025, to stockholders of record as of September Additionally, the third and final previously announced $0.05 per share special dividends related to undistributed taxable income will be paid on September 15 to stockholders of record as of August 29. This marks our 38th consecutive quarter of earning our regular dividend at CCAP, which we have accomplished while maintaining NAV per share within a tight band. Our positioning has and always will be for the long term. Overall, we are pleased with the strength of our portfolio and stable results this quarter. We believe they are representative of CCAP's longer-term track record of delivering a stable NAV profile and an attractive total economic return. To frame the point a bit further, let's look at performance since CCAP's public listing in February 2020, a period that captures the totality of the COVID pandemic, the rise in interest rates beginning in mid-2022, and at least part of the recent tariff volatility. Based on publicly available data, the average public BDC saw its net asset value per share decline by 10.5% from the fourth quarter of 2019 to the first quarter of this year. DCAP's NAV per share increased by 0.6% over the same timeframe and 0.3% through Q2. Over this period, we generated a total economic return calculated as change in net asset value plus dividends of 49%, well in excess of the public BDC average. I highlight this longer-term track record as it often feels as if we operate in 90-day earnings vacuums where sentiment can swing wildly, sometimes warranted, sometimes not. We do not believe CCAP's current discount to NAV is warranted, which is why our Board has approved a $20 million stock repurchase program. We believe that opportunistically repurchasing shares at certain levels is an attractive use of excess capital. As we seek to maintain a disciplined capital allocation approach at CCAP, we will balance our repurchase program with other factors such as our existing investment pipeline and leverage levels. With that, I will now turn the call over to Henry. Henry.

Thanks, Jason. Please turn to slide 15 where we highlight our recent activity. Gross deployment in the second quarter totaled $58 million, as you can see on the left-hand side the page, of which 99% was in first-thing investments. During the quarter, we closed three new platformer investments totaling $22 million. Even as spreads have tightened, our focus remains on high-quality companies with strong credit profiles. These new investments were loans to private equity-backed companies with a weighted average spread of approximately 480 basis points. Each of these new investments were first-thing loans, consistent with our strategy of investing at the top of a capital structure for evacuator downside protection the remaining 36 million came from incremental investments in our existing portfolio companies 58 million in gross deployment compares to approximately 93 million in aggregate exits sales and repayments resulting in net realizations of approximately 35 million for the second quarter given we are currently operating in our target leverage range we do not expect to see meaningful increases in net deployment on a quarter-to-quarter basis. However, the Crescent private credit platform remains active with 1.3 billion of capital committed during the second quarter. Turning back to the broader portfolio, please flip to slide 16. You can see that the weighted average yield over income-producing securities at cost remains stable quarter-over-quarter at 10.4%. As of June 30th, 97% of our debt investments have fair value of floating rate with a weighted average for 78 basis points This compares to our 54% floating rate liability structure based on debt drawn with no floors. Overall, our investment portfolio continues to perform well with year-over-year weighted average revenue and EBITDA growth. The weighted average interest coverage of the companies in our investment portfolio at quarter end improved to 2.1 times. As a reminder, this calculation is based on the latest annualized base rate each quarter. Please flip to slide 17, which shows the trends in internal performance ratings. Overall, we have seen stability in the fundamental performance of a portfolio resulting in consistency in our risk rating and a weighted average portfolio risk rating of 2.1. On the right-hand side of the slide, you'll see that one and two rated investments representing names that are performing at or above our underwriting expectations continue to represent the lion's share or 86% of a portfolio of fair value. It is worth noting that at the quarter end of the percentage of total investments at fair value, CCAP's watch list, which we define as 3, 4, and 5 rated investments, was 14 percent, whereas our non-accruals at fair value were 2.4 percent, a nearly 12 percent gap. This is in contrast to the analysis of our public peers where this gap is approximately 6 percent. We believe this reflects our philosophy and our culture of being forward-looking in terms of maintaining our watch list. We do not, for example, wait until there is a default for moving something down the risk-gradient scale. We strive to be transparent about the healthcare portfolio with the market, and one of the ways we do so is by taking a preemptive approach towards how we classify our watchlist investments. With that, I will now turn it over to Gerhard.

Thanks, Henry, and hello, everyone. Yesterday evening, we reported net investment income of 46 cents per share, or 48 cents, excluding the one-time accelerated amortization that Jason noted compared to $0.45 per share in the prior quarter. The increase in net investment income was driven by an increase in the distribution from the Logan Joint Venture and a stable quarter over quarter portfolio yield of 10.4%. Net income per share of $0.41 for the second quarter compared to $0.11 in the prior quarter, driven by a reduction in changes in net realized and unrealized losses on a quarter-over-quarter basis. Turning to the balance sheet, as of June 30, 2025, our investment portfolio at fair value totaled $1.6 billion. Total net assets was $725 million as of June 30, 2025. NAV per share was $19.55. A decrease of $0.07 per share from 1962 at the end of the first quarter. As Jason noted, this quarter's change in NAV was largely attributable to the $0.05 special dividend paid in June as NII outpaced our regular dividend, offset by modest net unrealized and realized losses per share. Let's shift to our capitalization and liquidity. I'm on slide 19. At the beginning of April, we right-sized our SDV asset facility from $500 million to $400 million and reduced the spread by 50 basis points from $245 to $195. This facility resizing provides us with sufficient capital to address any potential draws on our unfunded commitments while minimizing interest expense related to excess unfunded capacity. Following the one-time impact of the acceleration of the deferred financing cost, we expect to see the full benefit of the repricing in our future quarterly operating results. Our capital structure reflects our target size and leverage with our current equity base today. We have ensured that our borrowing capacity is consistent with our investment mandate. This quarter's activity brought our debt to equity ratio down modestly from 1.25 times in the prior quarter to 1.23 times, which is within our stated target leverage range of 1.1 times to 1.3 times. As you can see on the right side of the slide, approximately 74% of total committed debt now matures in 2028 or later. The weighted average stated interest rate on our total borrowings was 6.09% as of quarter end, compared to 6.36% as of March 30. As Jason noted, for the third quarter of 2025, our board has declared a regular dividend of $0.42 per share. Additionally, the third and final previously announced $0.05 per share special cash dividend is payable in September. Our existing variable supplemental dividend framework remains in effect as well. DCAP will not pay a Q3 supplemental dividend as the measurement test cap exceeded 50% of this quarter's excess available earnings. And with that, I'd like to turn it back to Jason's proposed new remarks.

Thanks, Gerhard. So, to sum up, CCAP posted stable results in a quarter that, from a macro perspective, was anything but stable. Historically, in periods of market volatility, Crescent's focus on disciplined credit underwriting, capital preservation, strong free cash flow generation, and robust debt service coverage has enabled us to stay on the right side of performance and returns across managers. Earlier, I highlighted CCAP's performance since listing in 2020. We believe Crescent and CCAP will continue to be on the right side of this performance dispersion spectrum over the long term, and we look forward to delivering on that in the quarters to come. As always, we thank you for joining our call today and look forward to connecting with many of you soon. And with that operator, we can open the line for questions.

At this time, I would like to remind everyone in order to ask a question, please press star, then the number one on your telephone keypad. We will pause for just a moment to compile the Q&A roster. Your first question comes from the line of Robert Dodd with Raymond James. Your line is open.

Hi, guys, and congratulations on essentially the NAF stability this quarter, but just want to focus on credit quality a little bit again. As Henry said, right, so the watch list is at 14%, but I believe it was like at 12 or 13 last quarter, so it does seem like it's ticked up just a tiny bit. And also on the internally rated fours and fives, which are the lowest categories, that ticked up this quarter as well. So in that, with the fours and fives, 3% of the portfolio at fair rates, any assets in that category that are not already on non-accrual? And if there are, you know, what's the risk there of incremental credit deterioration in the portfolio?

Yeah, Robert, thanks for the questions, Henry. I can take a first stab at the responses. With respect to the watch list, more generally, what I would say is that, you know, our view, and we alluded to this in prepared remarks, is that we want to be preemptive with how we designate investments on the watch list. So we've always relied on the fundamental operating performance and the near-term outlook to guide us to whether or not replacing the investment on watch list. And it's not going to be purely driven by if there's a credit event pending. So from that perspective, we just want to make sure that we're both being forward-looking and also being transparent around what the nearest term outlook looks like for our portfolio companies. With respect to the fours and fives, what I would say there is that, you know, those are all investments that are certainly most challenged with respect to potential near-term outlook in terms of recovery. However, what I will also say there is that what we do want to make sure that we factor in, and this is both in terms of the risk rating as well in terms of the mark, is first, where we think the recovery is going to look like on a near-term basis, just given that existing outlook of the company today. And secondly, even if there is a longer path to recovery, we want to make sure that we're not being too short-sighted around near-term challenges that companies are facing. So what I would say is if you're in that category, it's certainly kind of the largest variance in terms of potential outcomes with respect to ultimate recovery here. But what I will say is that, you know, when I look back at our track record, at our loss rates, and our ability to create recoveries, even in situations that are kind of, you know, higher risk, I'd say that we certainly have the capabilities and the track records to back that. And what I would also say there is that it's really kind of more of a earlier forward look as opposed to demonstrating a leg down and like further portfolio weakness.

Sorry, Robert.

It's Jason. I just want to add two points. on the first point on the watch list, you know, I think it's also important to point out that as a lower and core middle market investor, three out of four companies in the portfolio have financial covenants. And so that might be high relative to some of our peers who focus in the upper end of the market. And the nice thing about having covenants is it really enables frequency of dialogue and interaction with the management teams and sponsorship. And so I think from an insight standpoint and a dialogue standpoint, we may be in closer contact with folks given the covenants that we have in place, which might give us more real-time visibility and outlook. The other point that I just wanted to make is that while are not a cruel rate, I think is let's say generally in line with the broader industry it is certainly not something we're pleased with it's not representative of how we think of our portfolio or underwriting process or frankly consistent with our historical metrics and that's something that we are looking forward to seeing some progress on in terms of bringing that down but i appreciate all that color kind of sort of related, as you say, with all the tariffs, et cetera, and the outlook on tariffs seems to change day by day.

Have you seen anything, to your point, you're in contact with a lot of these portfolio companies more frequently than the upper market might be. Have you seen any change in thoughts from portfolio companies about how manageable the tariff exposure is? Obviously, it keeps changing, so they might have to keep changing plans. But any thoughts on how the portfolio companies think they'll be able to manage this volatile period?

Yeah, I'd say I'd start off by commenting on, you know, when we were sharing with the market our initial review of the direct impact of our portfolio as tariffs, it was a relative minority in our book. It was kind of low single digits where we viewed our portfolio as having direct impact. And this was the kind of the highest level of kind of tariffs post-liberation day that we were doing our assessment around. But what we've seen since is, you know, we've done a refresh of that and reviewed and really first to check how close we were in terms of the impact and our assessment around potential tariff impact. and secondly, to determine how the companies, to your question, how the companies are able to respond. I'd say on the first conclusion from that refreshment analysis, I'd say our analysis still holds. We haven't seen that direct tariff impact population expand in any meaningful way, nor contract. The companies that we thought were going to be impacted directly by tariffs are certainly ones that are still navigating that environment. On the latter point, I'd say there's a few ways that we've seen companies address the upcoming changes in tariffs. The first is, you know, we always look to invest in companies that have high pricing power and the ability to demonstrate the ability to pass through prices. We had a good lens into that in the 2023-2024 timeframe when we saw a pretty marked increase in wage inflation. And given that we invest primarily in services businesses, that's going to typically be the largest component of the cost structure for the vast majority of our borrowers. And being able to see that dynamic play out on the price side with respect to material input costs as well in the context of tariffs, That's certainly the primary lever that we've seen management teams employ in this current environment. On the second side, which is for those that are sourcing directly from, I'd say, kind of higher up the list, tariff impacted, geographies, what we've seen management teams do is take a proactive response to looking at alternative sourcing mechanisms. and there's a lot of work that the companies that we invest in that do have some sort of supply chain procurement abroad coming into the U.S. We saw that that's an approach and diligence that was done after the first wave of tariffs during the first Trump presidency, and we're seeing that kind of repositioning happen real time now as well. I think in terms of seeing it play out of the numbers, it's probably going to be a back half of this year when we really start to see the benefits of those actions as well as the impact of the tariffs actually show up in the borrower financials. But I'd say, you know, kind of summarize here. First, the direct tariff impact in our portfolio is just a small percentage to begin with. And secondly, given the dialogue, the access that we have to management, we've been able to see them address this up front, both on the price side as well as on the supply chain side.

Got it. Thank you for that, Carla. One more question, if I can, unrelated to all those issues. So you're operating it basically right back in the middle of your target leverage range. So, you said you don't expect a lot of net portfolio growth going forward. But would you like, you know, if market activity does pick up, and obviously the platform as a whole is still, you know, very active, which obviously in principle, if you get some repayments at the BDC, you know, it gives you relatively quick opportunities to redeploy the capital. But is there anything you'd like to modify in the mix, you know, within that, that, you know, while maintaining kind of midpoint of the leverage range, maybe would you like to rotate out of any sectors and into different ones or shrink average position sizes or things like that, all of which can go on while the portfolio isn't net growing? So, any thoughts on any repositioning, relatively speaking, that you'd like to do while you're at that kind of target leverage? Yeah, it's a great question.

Go ahead, Henry.

I'll follow up. Yeah, that's a great question. And I'd say on a couple points, the first is in terms of rotation from an industry perspective, I'd say we feel good about where we are in terms of our industry focus. You know, we're very focused on investing in high free cash flow generating, non-typical industries with defensible revenue streams. And, you know, we've started that positioning from the very beginning of CCAP and continue to maintain that. so i wouldn't say that there's specifically any industry concentrations that we're looking to reduce in the near term or on the other side of that augment as well you know our focus is always going to be on those industries i'd say the same for the average position size as well we have 187 obligors in our portfolio average position size is 60 basis points so we we really from the beginning have also really sought to maintain a diversified book. And given – we have the added luxury, if you'll call it that, of being attached to a platform that even though the C-cap on a net basis during the quarter, the portfolio shrinks, we've seen $1.3 billion of new deployment come through the platform in just the quarter alone. And so we're able to pick our spots in terms of what is accretive to us just from a pure yield perspective, as well as where we want to be in terms of industry without having to sacrifice diversification at all. So I'd say on that piece, we're in a good position. Where we are focused on rotating is, and we've mentioned this in prior commentary, is the acquired assets. You know, we are a little over halfway through the rotation of the acquired first Eagle assets, and we're almost entirely through the rotation of the Alcentra assets. But that's really, I'd say, where the heaviest focus is in terms of our rotation efforts, because, you know, we have the ability to reallocate and redeploy those investments into Crescent Directly Originated Opportunities. It's just a matter of rotating the acquired assets. at levels that we find attractive.

Got it, thank you. Before going to the next question, again, if you would like to ask a question, please press star one on your telephone keypad. Your next question comes from the line of Mikish Lion with Clear Street. Your line is open.

Yes, hello everyone. Jason, just one question from me today. I think investors and analysts really appreciate your transparency about the breakdown of your portfolio by the type of security. And I see that less than 2% is in unit crunch last out investments. As you know, that structure can help boost portfolio yield without giving up much control over an investment. So how are you evaluating the opportunity to increase that to help offset potential declines and so forth.

Hey, Mickey. Thank you for the question. It's Jason. That segment of the portfolio has always been relatively small for us. And I'd call out a couple of things. First off, I think we've always been in the Unitron segment of the market. In fact, Crescent's Heritage is really also as a junior debt lender. So we've historically been quite comfortable lending deeper into a capital stack of middle market companies. The last opportunity is not so voluminous, I would say, these days, you know, as direct lending managers have more capital to put to work. And that's certainly the case for Crescent, too. I would say we are opportunistic in those pursuits, generally only getting comfortable if it's a very small amount of first-out leverage ahead of us where we feel quite comfortable that we could take control of that first-out if needed. But it's often driven by the portfolio company having a banking relationship and wanting to bring a relationship into a first-out piece of a capital structure. But otherwise, I would just say it's not all that frequent of an opportunity for us today.

I understand. Thank you for taking my question.

Your next question comes from the line of Christopher Nolan with Leidenberg Salmon. Your line is open.

Just following up on Robert's question from a different angle. Are you, given the decline in energy prices and your companies, do you see your companies having increased operating leverage where if energy inputs go down, your profit margins go up and so forth?

Yeah. Thanks for the question, Chris. This is Henry. I'd say that fuel input costs are really not a large component of the cost of it sold for the vast majority of our borrowers. You know, it's something that we really seek to avoid in underwriting where there's a lot of exposure to um potential material cost inputs um both on the both both as a as a reduction in margins as well as a way to potentially augment margins so um i i wouldn't say that that would be a necessarily a material driver of operating leverage within our portfolio as a whole um generally i would say what you'll see given our service orientation our portfolio is that the the largest component of cost of goods sold in the vast majority of our portfolio company's cost structures is going to be queuing capital as opposed to pure kind of fuel input costs. However, I would certainly expect to see some benefit. I just don't expect it to be a material driver of portfolio performance, if that makes sense.

Yep. And then the follow-up question, I see that the balance of second lien loans has gone down year to date. I know it's a small part of the portfolio, but is this something which you sort of pop into more cyclically when the economy starts going up and the pricing on second liens are attractive, then we should start seeing those increase incrementally?

Yeah. Go ahead, Henry. Yeah, I wouldn't say that the second lien portfolio mix is one that's ever going to be a large component of our portfolio. We've, from the beginning, outlined that the investment mandate of CCAP is really going to be focused on top of capital structure, first lien investments. I would say that currently in this market, the relative spread premium that we're seeing in second liens um relative to the first lien is is is in quite a bit so it's difficult from just a pure rel valve perspective to have conviction around coming in behind five six sometimes seven turns of first seen leverage uh without getting the appropriate risk premia if that changes this, then it's certainly something that we'll look at, but we'll always be selectively deploying to second lien. I would never expect it to be a large component of the portfolio, given our focus here is to continue to weight our portfolio towards first lien.

Okay, thank you.

I will turn the call back over to Jason Burrow for closing remarks.

Thank you very much, Kate. Thank you all for your time and attention here today. We appreciate having this conversation with you and look forward to speaking with you again soon.

Ladies and gentlemen, that concludes today's call. Thank you all for joining. You may now disconnect.