Paychex Inc Q4 FY2026 Earnings Call

Good morning, everyone, and welcome to Paychex's fourth quarter fiscal 2026 earnings call. Participating on the call today are John Gibson and Bob Schrader. Following the speaker's prepared remarks, there will be a question and answer period. If you would like to ask a question during this time, simply press star, then the number one on your telephone keypad. If you would like to withdraw your question, please press star two on your telephone keypad. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded, and your participation implies consent to our recording of this call. I would now like to turn the call over to Mr. Bob Schrader, Paychex's Chief Financial Officer. Please go ahead, sir.

Thank you for joining us to discuss Paychex's fourth quarter and full year fiscal 2026 results. Our earnings release and presentation are available on our Investor Relations website. We plan to file our Form 10-K with the SEC before the end of July. This call is being webcast live and will be available for replay on our investor relations portal. Today's call includes forward-looking statements that refer to future events and involve some risk. We encourage you to review our filings with the SEC for additional information on factors that could cause actual results to differ from our current expectations. We will also reference non-GAAP financial measures. A description of these items along with the reconciliation of non-GAAP measures can be found in our earnings release. I would now like to turn the call over to John Gibson, Paychex President and CEO. Thanks, Bob. I'll begin with

our operational highlights for the quarter and the full year, and then Bob will discuss our financial performance and outlook before we open the calls for your questions. We finished the year with strong momentum, delivering double-digit revenue and earnings growth in the fourth quarter and the full year, while also accelerating organic revenue growth in each quarter. Our team executed well against our strategic priorities, expanding upmarket, strengthening our advisory differentiation, and advancing our AI capabilities to drive better client outcomes. Our mission is simple, help businesses succeed. Today, customers are managing more work and complexity than ever before and want more than just the tool. They want a trusted partner that can help them manage cost, attract and retain talent, and navigate a dynamic regulatory landscape. That trust is reflected in our strong client retention across our payroll clients, who rely on paychecks for support and advice across a growing number of solutions. Our differentiated advisory and benefits solutions, including ASO, PO, and retirement, continue to resonate in the market and drive robust revenue growth. While other providers offer fragmented tools or limited support models, we believe we stand a part by combining technology with trusted human expertise to help customers solve their most important workforce challenges. That differentiation is driving higher engagement in our HR outsourcing. In ASO, engagements increased more than 60% this year alone, reflecting growing demand for support, navigating an increasingly complex HR landscape. We believe our investments in go-to-market and technology strengthened our value proposition and contributed to record worksite employee retention in ASO and PO this year. PO in particular remains a key growth driver. PO worksite employee growth continued to outpace the industry with high single-digit growth in the quarter and full year. The comprehensive solution helps businesses manage regulatory complexity and offer competitive benefits, often with little or no in-house HR staff. We continue to see a long, secular runway for growth in this business. Building on our advisory strength, we launched WISE, also known as our Workforce Intelligence Strengthened by Expertise, which is our AI-powered intelligence engine. WISE extends our capability into eugenic AI and is powering approximately 600 AI features and agents. Embedded into the workflow, WISE moves beyond insights and assistance to autonomous execution, helping scale our expertise, enhance productivity, and deliver better client outcomes, all with human-in-the-loop oversight, available-on-demand support, and strong governance. We believe differentiated access to large data sets will be a key driver of AI leadership and that Paychex is exceptionally well positioned. For more than 50 years, we have been at the center of HR, payroll, and benefits, giving us access to a vast, proprietary, and growing amount of data. WISE now draws on more than 26 trillion data points, helping make our solutions smarter, more relevant, and more proactive. What makes this unique is our patent-pending AI knowledge mesh technology, which helps unlock insights from unstructured data, including emails, calls, and other client interactions, and turns it into actionable intelligence. We believe that our unique technology, large data set, and deep HR and compliance expertise make our AI-enabled HR solutions truly unique in the market. We're already seeing the benefits in practice with meaningful reductions in administrative work. We can now automatically create and update client-employee handbooks as regulations or business needs change in real time. Our workforce management solutions intelligently generate schedules in minutes instead of hours and reduce timesheet approvals by more than 50%. Reflecting on our commitment to flexible service models, clients can submit payroll by phone or email through a service experience powered by WISE. In addition, our eugenic payroll solutions have continued to scale to significantly reducing wait times while maintaining the accuracy our clients expect. Over time, we see WISE as a meaningful driver of long-term value creation through direct monetization opportunities, as well as indirect benefits, including stronger upsell, higher revenue per client, improved retention, and greater pricing power. As AI automates more routine tasks, we believe differentiation will increasingly come from compliance expertise, advisory capabilities, proprietary data, and trusted execution, areas where we believe paychecks is structurally advantaged. Those strengths, combined with continued investment in our innovation roadmap, will position us well for the long-term AI leadership in our category. Turning to our enterprise business, we continue to perform well upmarket among clients with more than 100 employees. We exceeded our fiscal year 26 synergy targets associated with the PayCorp acquisition, contributing more than 50 basis points to revenue growth and generating over $100 million in cost synergies. We continue to make progress cross-selling advisory offerings such as ASO, retirement, and PO into the PayCorp base and are winning larger deals than originally anticipated. We also saw continued traction in the broker channel, including two new national partnerships this quarter alone, reinforcing our position as the preferred choice for HCM referrals. During fiscal year 26, we completed the organizational and sales territory realignments associated with moving the PACOR under 100 employee businesses into our SMB segment and integrating the Paychex 100-plus businesses into our enterprise segment. We enter fiscal year 27 with clearly aligned teams, brands, and platforms focused on the specific needs of each market segment. All of this is powered by our scaled, modernized, and modular infrastructure, including our new modern tax engine, which we expect to further enhance through integration with our WISE intelligence engine. Beyond shifting up market, two emerging growth areas for us are expanding employee-based revenue streams and growing beyond our payroll base. We introduced PERCS, our digital benefits marketplace, less than two years ago, and today more than 400,000 unique employees have already purchased affordable, transferable benefits through the marketplace. We are now expanding access to perks to employees on the PayCorps platform, increasing our addressable market by more than 2.5 million employees. More broadly, we now see meaningful opportunities to grow beyond our traditional payroll base. Historically, many of our solutions could only be sold in connections with a client being on our payroll platforms. With the modernization of our underlying infrastructure now complete, we are developing more payroll agnostic and standalone AI-enabled solutions, which we believe will significantly expand our addressable market to help more businesses succeed. Our momentum this year is also being recognized externally. Time named Paychex one of America's top work tech companies, and Newsweek recognized us as one of America's most trustworthy companies and greatest workplaces. This underscores the strength of our brand, culture, and the trust we have built with clients and employees. Taken together, this progress reflects strong execution against our strategic priorities. From integrating the largest acquisition in our history, to modernizing our infrastructure and rolling out WISE across our HCM platforms and operations. We believe we enter fiscal year 27 well positioned for continued growth and long-term leadership in the AI era of HCM. I will now turn the call over to Bob to discuss our financial performance

and outlook. Bob? Thank you, John. I'll begin with our fourth quarter and full year financial answer results and then I'll share our outlook for fiscal 27. For the fourth quarter, total revenue increased 12% over the prior year to 1.6 billion, reflecting the mid-quarter anniversary of the PACOR acquisition. As John noted, we accelerated organic revenue growth in each quarter of this fiscal year. Management solutions revenue grew 14% to 1.2 billion, driven by product penetration, price realization, and approximately 8 percentage points of growth from PACOR. PEO and insurance solutions revenue increased 9% to 370 million, driven primarily by strong growth in PEO worksite employees as well as an increase in PEO insurance revenues. Interest on funds held for clients grew 15% to 52 million. Total expenses for the quarter were relatively flat as higher compensation, amortization, and continued investments in our strategic priorities were offset by lower acquisition related costs. Operating income margins increased approximately 750 basis points to 37.7%. Adjusted operating income margins increased by approximately 170 basis points to 42.1% for the quarter. This was driven by increased productivity and cost discipline while increasing our investments in AI. Diluted earnings per share increased 43% to $1.17 per share, and adjusted diluted earnings per share increased 11% to $1.32 per share. Turning to the full year results. For the full year, we delivered on our total revenue guidance, accelerated our organic growth in the back half of the year, and exceeded our earnings guidance after raising expectations twice during the year. Total revenue increased 17% over the prior year to $6.5 billion. Management solutions revenue grew 20% to $4.9 billion. PO and insurance solutions revenue increased 7% to $1.4 billion. Operating income margins for the year were 38.6% and our adjusted operating income margins increased by approximately 70 basis points to 43.2%. Diluted earnings per share increased 7% to $4.89 a share and adjusted diluted earnings per share increased 11% to $5.51 a share. Our financial position remains strong with cash, restricted cash, and total corporate investments of $1.2 billion and total borrowings of approximately $4.6 billion at the end of the quarter. Cash flow generation continues to be a key strength of our model. Our operating cash flows for the year increased 35% to $2.6 billion and our free cash flows increased 36% to 2.3 billion dollars this fiscal year. Our capital allocation strategy remains focused on delivering long-term shareholder value. This year we returned 2.2 billion dollars to shareholders through 1.6 billion dollars in cash dividends and 600 million dollars in share repurchases. In addition to this we reduced our leverage ratio a half a turn through the combination of our strong earnings growth and repaying the initial 400 million tranche of debt from the OASIS acquisition that matured in March. We remain focused on the levers of long-term shareholder returns that are within our control, including strong EPS growth, sustained dividend growth, and disciplined capital deployment. Our 12-month rolling return on equity remains robust at 45 percent. Turning to our guidance for fiscal 27, our outlook reflects the current macro environment as well as the assumptions that employment levels will continue to remain flat. For fiscal 27, we expect total revenue growth in the range of five to six percent. Management solutions revenue growth is also expected to be in the range of five to six percent. PEO and insurance solutions revenue growth will be in the range of six to seven percent. Interest on funds held for clients is expected to be in the range of 195 to 205 million. This year-over-year decline reflects the full-year impact of the 75 basis points of cuts at the end of last calendar year and the lapping of one-time gains associated with the strategic portfolio repositioning we executed in the second quarter. The outlook also assumes no further changes in the Fed funds rate. Adjusted operating income margins are expected to be approximately 44% and our effective income tax rate is expected to be approximately 24%. Adjusted diluted earnings per share is expected to grow in the range of 7 to 9%. Now I'll provide a little bit of color on the first quarter expectations, we would expect total revenue growth to be consistent with our full year guidance with an adjusted operating margin of 41 to 42%. And of course, this outlook is based on current assumptions, as I mentioned, and remains subject to change. Our business fundamentals remain strong as we enter fiscal 27. As John mentioned, I think we're exiting the back half of the year with strong momentum. We believe Paychex is exceptionally well positioned to succeed in the AI era of HCM and continue delivering shareholder value. Our efficient operating model continues to generate industry-leading operating and free cash flow margins with meaningful opportunity for further expansion over time. The durability of our business, the strength of our cash generation, and our disciplined capital allocation support our confidence in continued revenue and earnings growth and sustained Rule of 50 performance. And I'll turn the call back over to John.

Thank you, Bob. We will now open the call to your questions.

Thank you, Mr. Gibson. Ladies and gentlemen, at this time, if you do have any questions or comments, please press star 1. As always, you can remove yourself from the queue by pressing star 2. Additionally, we do ask that you please limit yourself to one question and one follow-up. We'll go first this morning to Brian Keene with Citi.

Hey, guys. Good morning. Solid results.

Just hoping you guys could talk a little bit about the trend in organic growth that you saw in the second half of the year. What are you guys calculating it as?

As we jump off here in the fifth year of 27 with the range of 5% to 6%, what gets us to the low end?

What gets us to the high end for that as we think about organic growth, bookings, trends, all that adds up to the numbers?

Yeah, Brian. I mean, I'll start, and John can add some color. I mean, as you mentioned in your report last week or a couple weeks ago, I mean, we've definitely continued to see a sequential improvement in the organic growth of the business. I think if you go back to this time last year, we were, you know, exiting last fiscal year at around 3%. You know, we've nearly doubled the organic growth of the business with improvement each quarter as we move through the year. And so I think if you look at the Q4 numbers, you know, the Q4 exit rate from an organic growth standpoint, I would say is largely in line with the guide that we provided. And I think if you look at the midpoint of the, you know, the management solutions in the PO guide, I think you'll get to a service revenue growth rate that pretty much is in line with the organic growth that we're exiting the year at. obviously next year there's there's a little bit of a of a headwind we had a tailwind this year from from flow with the pay core balances and some other things next year there's a little bit of a headwind I'm expecting interest on funds to be you know down about four to five percent you got the full year impact of the cuts that happened last year as I mentioned in the prepared remarks and then we had some some gains this year from some repositioning that we did earlier in the year but I think you know those things added up together I think gets you to a guide next year that pretty much is in line with a strong organic growth improvement this year in where we're exiting the year. Obviously, it's early on, so, you know, better performance would drive. We're assuming a stable macro environment. We're not expecting that to change, but, you know, the typical things that you're aware of that could move the needle in one direction or another. I'd say the other thing, a really strong momentum in bookings. We talked about this last quarter. I think you highlighted it in your report, probably one of the stronger selling seasons that we had in Q3, and I think we followed that up. John can provide some more color on it, but we followed that up in Q4 with really another strong performance in bookings, and it was really broad-based across many categories. Certainly, we're benefiting from the PACOR acquisition. When you look at ASO, PEO, retirement, you know, it's really driving a lot of the growth, both of what you see in the P&L as well in bookings. And a lot of that is coming from the ability to go into PACOR's base and upsell them those high-value solutions. So I don't know if you have anything you want to add to that, John.

Yeah, no, I think if we go back a year on this call, we kind of laid out, We went through a pretty significant business together, and we said our view was as we execute the integration plan that we had, we believed that we were going to continue to build momentum each of the quarters, and I think there were probably some skeptics about the back half, and I'm very pleased and proud of the team for what they delivered. Every quarter, bookings got better and better. Fourth quarter was better than the third quarter, and the third quarter, as I said on our last call is the best I've seen in 13 years here. So I feel good about the momentum we have going into this. Certainly having all the disruptions behind us is going to be a positive going into this. I would say the macro environment, despite all the potential challenges that we have going on globally around us, has been stable. No signs of recession. And in fact, if you look at our index. The last several reports have actually shown an increase in index under 50. We continue to see a good growth, I'd say solid growth, not good growth, but solid growth in the 50 plus. And we'll be announcing our index next week. And again, I'm just amazed at the resiliency. So I think we're going into this year with all the disruptions behind us, with better focus, our product roadmap, our integration roadmap is just really accelerating. AI is helping us accelerate that even more in terms of the development roadmap. And so I'm very encouraged about what the setup is going into this fiscal year.

Great. And just as a follow-up, just thinking about the launch of WISE and AI in general, how do we think about the potential revenue opportunities that AI could bring paychecks, and how long will it take maybe to start developing some of those?

Well, I would say we're already generating some revenue from, say, enhancements to our current reporting capabilities, and we've launched that into the database, into our client base. We've gotten good success there. When you look at it at this point in time, we also did our intelligence timekeeping in We currently have about 10,000 customers that are in our soft launch of that, and again, we think that's going to be another opportunity. What we're seeing there in terms of just time savings, but more importantly, error predictions. So we're actually cutting errors down like 70% up front. And so what I see, that's going to be a good value upsell opportunity for us as we go into the year. So I think we're early in figuring out the monetization. I would say a lot of what we're getting right now from WISE has been turned internally. So our service concierge, we're now all of our service individuals have access to all of our knowledge systems across all of our products and services instantaneously. And then also a lot we're calling the Sales Guru, which is a WISE-based product, which again gives access to all of our data sets across all of our platforms and all of our service and sales interactions to our salespeople in real time to be able to both plan their calls appropriately and offer the right solution for the client. So a lot of it right now is internally. We're starting the product roadmap. You know, we've launched the first kind of AI-based product we launched was in 2022 with Retention Insights, and now what we'll do is we're going back and looking at refreshing those legacy AI products with the WISE platform. Okay, great. Thanks for taking the questions. Thanks, Brent.

We'll go next now to Mark Marcon with Baird.

Hey, good morning, John and Bob, and thanks for taking my questions. So, John, I wanted to ask you about a couple of strategic elements. First of all, you mentioned that you're developing payroll agnostic solutions in order to help businesses to a greater extent. Can you talk a little bit more about that in terms of what your outlook is for that? When should investors expect the launches? What areas do you think you can go into? and with the AI tools in terms of coding, how quickly do you think you can do that?

We have been investing really COVID ERTC era when it was being generated during that time. And we looked across the platform and said, how do we want to modernize operating layer? And as you all know, our operating layer of our business is best in class. That's how we get the margins we do. We wanted to modernize it. We wanted to modulize it and really allow us to begin to offer more on a standalone basis because most of our products and services that we built at Paychex, we really didn't have the means to bill a client, to engage a client separately outside of being part of our HCM payroll infrastructure. And so one of the key things we wanted to do was break that apart. It's orchestration that has been done and finally completed over the past. We have today is the capability that if a customer would leave our HCM platform, but in agency, they can now have something a lot of times that did not happen in the platform, and they like our 401k product, we could do that. It also gives us the potential to partner with those separate products separately as well, something we've historically not done. So we look at it as a big opportunity for us. That investment that we've made in that back office infrastructure is what allowed us to launch perks because it also allows us to treat every one of our clients' employees as potential standalone customers. And again, they can continue to be a customer of paychecks even if they leave their current employer and even if they're not on one of our HCM platforms. So this is in the early innings of really getting this put together. Of course, we're going to look at the economics, both in terms of go-to-market and capability. But what I would tell you, It enhances our ability to retain customers in some way across our multiple products. It gives us new go-to-market opportunities, and it gives us new customer segments that we could potentially go after. I also believe, particularly as it pertains to WISE and what we're putting together in terms of HR compliance and real-time advisory solutions that can be digitally enabled with our HR people in the background. I think that could be valuable for customers, small and mid-sized customers, or HR professionals, whether or not they're on one of our platforms or not. And so certainly one of the things I think is a great potential for us to help businesses succeed is to be able to turn our 50-plus years of HR advisory and HR and payroll and tax compliance capabilities and monetize that for the benefit for a broader market. and those are things we're considering as well.

Could you also get into more of the office of the CFO or the office of the CTO from a longer-term perspective?

I think, Mark, at this point in time, we see the opportunity within HR, particularly in the segment we serve, to be the best place for our investment in time. We still have a lot of opportunity, I think, and particularly most of our clients don't have an HR department. HR is becoming more complex. I think at this point in time, what we're focused on is continuing to do that and also try to put into our marketplace for their employees a set of benefits of an employer to mimic a large employer in terms of what benefits they can offer an employee without having to contribute to that from a financial perspective because those are the things that we hear from our small clients all the time that is more important to them than us helping

help be their CFO. That's great. Thank you so much. We'll go next now to Andrew Nicholas with

William Blair. Hi, good morning. Appreciate you taking my question. You've hit on a few of the reasons, but I was just hoping you could expand on kind of what drives your conviction in the HRMS acceleration next year on an organic basis, and any color you could provide on kind of expected growth by market segment would be helpful, like between mid-market and enterprise.

Look, I think that we feel very confident across the portfolio. Again, as we see, we've had continued momentum across the portfolio throughout the year. When you look at the enterprise side, continue to see good growth groups together. You go back and look at our enterprise bookings in the fourth quarter. We had the highest booking dollar volume we've had all year. And I think, as we told you before, that it continued to build through the third quarter. We've continued to add partners there. And I just think with the integration behind us and all the disruption that caused and having the focus, I think we're entering the year very well-focused with a good set of products and services to go in the market. Then when you look across HR solutions and benefits retirement, the acceleration there has just been phenomenal. It just really has. And not stopped. Our bookings have continued to grow in those areas, continue to show strong retention, continue to see strong cross-sell across the various teams. I think that cross-sell motion is really getting going, particularly in the legacy pay core sales teams. I think they're finally figuring out how they can leverage the full power of paychecks to drive not only meetings but also to drive deals coming to closure. So I feel good about where we are, again, heading into this fiscal year just with everything behind us, and I think all the things are in place. The organizational components are in place, the technology components, and all the focus we've been having on what I would say, and you guys don't see it, what we see, all the inside work we've had to do in finishing the transformation of our operating layer, Dealing with all the integration issues with the largest integration we've had. All the internal things we've needed to do organizationally around that from a sales and sales territory perspective. You guys don't see that. We've been seeing that. And now to not have to be focused on that and to be able to totally focus on execution. And then the tailwinds that I'm seeing in product development from AI utilization there, that's going to accelerate our ability to execute the roadmap faster and when the benefit that I'm seeing both our sales and service teams are having in leveraging these tools these wise tools that we've launched to them over the last quarter and the benefits we're seeing in their productivity really makes me encouraged about how we're setting up for this year it just the other thing I

would just add from a conviction standpoint Andrew I think this this next fiscal year sets up you know a lot differently than last fiscal year for all the reasons that John highlighted, but in addition, you know, to hit last year's guide, the 26th guide, there was an acceleration that was required in the back half. There was reasons for that. Some of it was on the compares, but, you know, we certainly delivered that, but now I think as we go into next fiscal year, you know, John talked about all the momentum that we have exiting this year, and really what we've set up next year, you know, from a guide standpoint is pretty much in line with what we're delivering and what we're exiting the year. So certainly from a conviction standpoint, the year sets up much differently than last year did. We don't have this big ramp in the second half. We delivered it, like we mentioned, but it certainly gives us a lot more confidence just given the momentum that we have exiting this year and not having to deliver a significant step up as we move through the year.

Helpful. Thank you. And then maybe I just switch over to PEO and insurance services. That was a result that was quite a bit better than what we expected. Can you walk through kind of what PEO revenue looks like compared to insurance services in the quarter and kind of level set where we're at heading into 27 in terms of the healthcare plan and those dynamics that you were kind of fighting against at the beginning of 26. Thank you. Yeah, I mean, the underlying operating

performance for the PO business has been strong for a number of quarters and a number of years. We know we had some challenges last year with some of the optics with the MPP enrollment. And, you know, you and I, we've talked about this. You're very familiar with the PO industry to me. It's all about driving worksite employee growth, and we continue to do that. And as John mentioned and the prepared remarks continue to outpace kind of the industry there. And it's really coming from strong demand. And we saw another quarter of double-digit demand in the PEO of business, as well as record worksite employee retention. And so we know the strength of that business model, the value proposition, is very strong. And that business grew double digits in the quarter. Obviously, the category was a little bit below that. you know, the agency continues to be a drag on the overall growth of that quarter. We are seeing some positive trends certainly in the back half of this year as it relates to the agency, both from a demand and retention standpoint. So we would expect, you know, prospectively, you know, that headwind from the agency side to subside somewhat, but continue to expect the momentum that we've seen in the PO. And the other thing, too, I would just say from an enrollment standpoint, as you know, we had the MPP challenges last year. We anniversaryed those, which helped with the compare, but we've also seen the enrollment growth not only overall in medical attachment across the PO within Florida where we have that at-risk plan. We actually drew that this year. And so, you know, we're seeing good enrollment. We had a good annual renewals in those books of business, as well as we're seeing, I would say, better attachment of medical up front, which really helps drive that worksite employee retention that we talked about, because it just really makes those clients much more stickier when they attach their health with us. So a lot of positive trends as we move forward in the PEO.

Thank you very much. Thank you. We'll go next now to Kevin McVeigh with UBS. Great. Thanks so much.

Commentary on the first quarter was helpful in terms of the revenue growth. And Bob, if I heard you right, I think you said the first quarter should be similar to the full year. Maybe just help us with the pacing over the course of quarters two through four. And as you start to comp, tougher comps, where's the offset to that? Is it just the way the bookings come in, or maybe just help us dimensionalize that a little bit?

Yeah, I think, listen, I think the year sets up, as I mentioned earlier, you know, the gating is fairly consistent. When you talk about comps, I mean, we certainly had easier comps in the back half of this year relative to the PEO. So you're not going to have, you know, we're comparing the back half of this year to last year when we were actually down in enrollment. but now we're going to be up in enrollment. So the comps get a little bit tougher, Kevin, on the PO business as we move in the back half. Obviously, we continue to expect improved performance from a bookings and retention and all the things within our control. But when you look at the quarters, the gating is relatively consistent. Quarter to quarter, there's always puts and takes. I don't see as much risks maybe as was perceived with this fiscal year.

Got it. And with with pay core in the base now, is there anything from a seasonality perspective that we should consider just as the year kind of shapes up?

I mean, nothing that comes to mind. I mean, similar to our business, there's a there's obviously a lot of year end processing revenue that that that hits the third quarter. And obviously that drives a lot of it's high margin. So it drives a lot of profitability in Q3. But outside of that, I can't think of anything offhand that would give you some differences quarter to quarter.

Anytime you have the larger deals, a lot of times we'll wait until the end of the year. So that's one of the things we constantly look at is the bookings. There's building larger segments, and a lot of times you'll either wait for a quarter or a lot of times they want to wait until the end of a calendar year. So, again, nothing that I would say is meaningful. Remember, we had a very large enterprise business before we bought PIGCORS. We're familiar with it, but certainly as we focus there, we're watching how the bookings develop because the bookings may be building, but then the implementation date isn't for nine months away. So we're looking at that as well, but we're not seeing anything that's meaningful to change substantially the gating we've seen historically in our business.

And, John, just on that point, that would impact your Q3 more, right, in terms of as they go live January 1st?

Well, in our business, but, again, because we're putting more resources against the enterprise area, we're also, again, we're doing ASO and we're doing PO at the point of sale as well. And, again, as we do larger deals, any larger deal, a lot of times those clients are going to want to do something on a clean quarter, whereas in the small business, you know, we'll do it during the middle of the week

Good. Thank you. Thank you. We'll go next now to Jared Levine with TD Cowan.

Thank you. I wanted to dig in in terms of the implied pay core X-slope growth right around 4% based on my math here in 4Q. I guess any way to size how much of that deceleration and growth is, you know, more so cross-sells of the ASO and PEO, thinking about kind of revenue shifting out of pay core to paychecks more so than kind of revenue churn or even, you know, weaker than expected bookings here?

Yeah, Jared, you know, I'll talk the way we talked last quarter, Orange's comparison just given the way we're managing the business this year versus the way it was managed last year with revenue and resources moving around between the two. I think the way we've been looking at that business is as our enterprise business, which is, you know, kind of 100 plus, you know, loosely defined. And when we kind of look at that, the growth of that business, I think, was fairly strong in Q3. And we saw similar trends in Q4 where our enterprise business, you know, across both platforms. So it really doesn't matter, you know, where the client was last year and where they are this year. you know, we saw high single-digit growth in our enterprise business during the quarter. And, again, I think we've talked about that. That's our expectation prospectively. When you look at the other assets in that space, you know, that growth rate is not too dissimilar to what the other pays are producing, and we would expect, at minimum, to continue to keep pace with that growth in that segment of the market.

Yeah, I want to add on to this because, you know, the first thing I'm always cautious of because I don't want to come off as being defensive about this topic, but it's been challenging as we launch the integration. And I think what's probably not known is you look at the PayCorp business, and one of the things that attracted us to us strategically is this was a legacy business that had a rather sizable under 100, and probably the brand was known as something. But when we looked under, there was to keep that client base at least stable. And years ago, you're looking at a growth of both an under-100 and an over-100 business. We made a conscious decision, which I think is the best decision for the company, was we wanted to focus that technology and brand where it was resonating most and where it was getting the best traction. So when we separated the two, we took all the under-100 and moved that to our small business segment and vice versa. So, look, on an aggregate basis, it's aggregate basis. But in terms of, you know, PayCore is now a brand for our enterprise segment that we define as 100 employees and more. And we're selling complete solutions there. We're selling at the point of sale a PO, an ASO, and those are going into different parts of our business segment. So it's very complicated to do that. You know, what I'm looking at is the enterprise. Here's what I can tell you. Our enterprise business at Paychex is growing faster than it's grown, number one. And number two, our 100-plus retention is the highest it's been since I've been here in 13 years. So, again, the combination of having the right technology, the right capabilities focused on these, I think is benefiting us not only from accelerating our historical organic growth there, but also in retaining clients. So I certainly think we're better together. We're totally together now. We're totally integrated. And I think as we move forward, what we're going to be focused on is continuing to grow and serve that enterprise segment and making sure we're maximizing the product penetration, both PO, ASO, and HCM in the 100-plus segment in the marketplace. I hope that helps.

No, that was helpful. And then as I follow up here, In terms of the roughly flat client count growth this year, I guess anything to call out in terms of notable differences, whether it came to call it the core paychecks versus pay core, and when might this potentially inflect and return back to growth?

I think when you look at it from a retention perspective across the board, our client retention was record in our ASOPO business, work site employee basis. Our 100 plus, as I said, was record level as well. When you look at client losses, client losses tend to be in the lower end of the market and tend to be out of business, and that's just really where the year has gone. And as I said repeatedly, you know, we constantly are selective in clients that we're going to bring in to the business. We know what a good client is going to be, a client that we can attach, a client we're going to get lifetime value on. We understand the cost of acquisition very, very well, and we're not going to do irrational things just to add clients that are not going to be profitable clients. You cannot achieve the margin profile that we do and have a lot of unprofitable clients. So that's going to continue to be our strategy, and we think that's going to continue to not only grow revenue for us, but I think it's also going to make sure that we have the right underlying financial performance in terms of margins and margin expansion going forward.

Thank you. We'll go next now to Daniel Jester with BMO Capital Markets.

Great. Good morning. Thanks for taking my question.

On the revenue synergies, the outperformance that you had this fiscal year,

more than 50 basis points, it sounded like from some of the comments on the questions

that maybe the pay core sales force wasn't sort of fully engaged the whole fiscal year. And so is there any way to think about how that cross-sell could progress next year, the opportunity? Could it actually contribute more to growth next fiscal year than the past one?

Yeah, I mean, I'll start with you. Yeah, go ahead. Well, first thing, I don't want to categorize it as that they weren't engaged. We were very engaged, and we had good success. You look at ASO and retirement penetration really exceeded our expectations. PO, which is a longer sales cycle, we got several large deals, and that's accelerated as the years went on. You know, look, I'd go back and remind you, you know, we did change territories. We changed management. We changed leadership structure. And we retrained them on the various products and services, and all that didn't start until June a year ago. So what I would not characterize, it wasn't a lack of engagement. It's really just that point of kind of learning and then getting accustomed to, okay, how do I put this into my sales motion? How do I put these talk tracks in? And how do I engage my paychecks partners in the sales process? So, you know, as you can imagine, you just get better with that over time, and we're constantly learning on that. So I don't want to characterize it as we weren't having engagement, but there's no question, as we do it more frequently, And that success breeds more success and more people are doing it. And that's what we're seeing in our bookings. And our referrals this year across all the platform was stellar. It really drove a lot of the booking success that we had this year.

The only thing I would just add to it is that, I mean, it's the reason why we did the deal, right? I mean, it was one of the main reasons why we did the deal was the opportunity, you know, to go after those revenue synergies because we knew how successful that we had been in going in and monetizing our client base, particularly with these higher value solutions. And so we're already having a ton of success with the PayCorp client base. I think when we did the deal, we highlighted that that wasn't a one and done type of thing that we would continue to build momentum there over time as we went after that opportunity. We exceeded this year's number, and now we've got to grow over that, right? And we would expect, you know, probably even stronger contribution, you know, next year and beyond to growth. And I do think it is what's fueling a lot of the improvement in the organic revenue growth that we've talked about as we've moved through the year. That's really helpful context, so thank you. And then maybe to go back to a question earlier on AI monetization and WISE. As you sort of roll this out to customers,

is this something that you think is going to be more for SMBs?

Is this more enterprise? Who do you think is going to be able to engage with these tools kind of out of the gate? How do you see that ramping?

Yeah, look, I think that this product is going to clients of all sizes. Let's just talk about the HR compliance capabilities that we now have based on our 52 in real time. So when you're hitting thresholds because you now hired your fifth employee and now you've got certain state stipulations that you've got to do certain things, instead of you needing to wait or remembering it's five or for us reminding you you just hired your fifth, The system's automatically doing that and automatically taking the action to enroll you in a workers' comp program or unemployment insurance. So I think in the small end, I think this is going to give them greater peace of mind. I think we're going to have less errors on tax and tax ID issues that we have, which I think is going to be beneficial from a retention perspective. And then I think as you go upmarket, I think this tool in the hands of an HR professional is going to give them far more confidence and capability to be able to focus on strategic HR initiatives and have our AI models and agents actually do the work for them. Stop this. Our wise AI compliance tool, some of which we did through acquisition, integrates with most of the large HCM platforms that are in the market today. So, again, as I said, you can have the compliance AI, agentic AI, patent-pending paycheck compliance capability regardless of the platform that you're on, and we will integrate with your platform to help you have a digital HR agent keep you compliant.

Great. Thank you very much. We'll go next now to Jacob Smith with Guggenheim Securities.

Hey, thanks for taking my question. How did PayCorp broker referrals trend during the quarter? Did you continue to see acceleration in bookings, like you called out last quarter? Then on the Hub International Partnership you announced back in May, I'm curious what's actually different in that arrangement versus how you and PayCorp worked with the broker channel before. We've also had several quarters now to gather feedback from partners on what they want to see. I'm wondering if this is an evolution of the Partner Plus program and whether this model is something you're looking to take to other national brokerages to drive new business referrals going forward.

Yeah, no, our bookings holistically through the pay court, again, our enterprise continued to grow in the third quarter. So, again, even if you strip out seasonality, which there is in that business in terms of timing, we're seeing, I would say, is pre-acquisition levels in that area. We did sign actually two. One is named, Hubb, you mentioned one. There's another one unnamed that we have already signed, and it is part of our Partner Plus. The thing that is different about the Partner Plus program that we're going to market with is it is holistic. They are able to represent all of our products and services, any product and services that we have in the Paychex portfolio. We're also partnering with them on some of the HR compliance and some of the HR capabilities that I just mentioned to you. So I really think when you begin to look at the holistic, both advisory solutions, compliance tools, and then the breadth of the capabilities we have from a technology perspective, we're bringing all that to bear in our Partner Plus program for brokers. And so we actually are getting good feedback from those loyal brokers that have been there, and as we're adding new brokers, they like the approach that we're bringing, that it's a holistic approach.

Great, thanks. And a quick follow-up as well. Just on pay core sales headcount, last quarter you mentioned intention to expand there. Maybe just an update there. Should we expect that to help FY27 bookings or maybe a little bit further out since there's a ramp period?

Yes. I mean, we're committed, as we said, when we did the acquisition to continue to add a sales headcount that is in our plan, and we are actively building sales headcount. So if you know anybody.

Thank you.

Thank you. We'll go next now to Samad Samana at Jeffries.

Hi, good morning. Thanks for taking my questions. Maybe just unpacking the fiscal 27 guidance a little bit. If I think about the assumptions around unit growth versus pricing contribution versus new bookings, I know you guys don't guide to those components specifically, But just as we think about the fiscal 26 contribution, how are you tilting those variables? Like, what are you assuming? Are you assuming retention is flat up or down? How are you thinking about the amount of price you can take in fiscal 27 versus 26 to selfless understand the growth algorithm given all the changes that have occurred over the last 18 months?

Yeah, I mean, we always put together a plan where we're trying to, you know, sell more and lose less. So, you know, retention has improved significantly, you know, over the last five years. particularly when you look at the ASO in PO, it's pretty remarkable how much retention has improved. But the teams always challenge themselves, and we're always trying to get better and improve retention, obviously trying to look to grow sales, as John mentioned, you know, look for opportunities to add headcount. And so when you look at our client base, Samad, and our assumptions, listen, our client base has been relatively flat. We're not getting a ton of growth from that. You know, really, we don't need to get a ton of growth out of that. We're trying to be thoughtful and make the right investments and really trying to attract the right client. And so, overall, you know, we're trying to, you know, outsell our losses and grow our client base a little bit, but really trying to grow our client base in the right client sizes. I mean, that was one of the reasons why we pulled the trigger on the pay core acquisition, you know, trying to, you know, get larger clients in the door, because we know where we've gotten all of our growth from, you know, ASO and PO retirement services, you know, a lot of those solutions meet the needs of larger customers. But our assumption is, you know, not that we're going to generate a ton of client-based growth, that we would, you know, continue to, you know, maintain our client base, but maybe improve in the right client sizes to really execute on our model, which, you know, I think you and I have talked about, this is really a revenue per client model, really our ability to go in, get a larger share of wallet out of our client base. When we look at the penetration rates of the key solutions, you know, within the Paychex Flex client base, they're still relatively low, so we see lots of opportunities there. And then, obviously, there's the huge opportunity in front of us that we've been executing on with the PayCor client base. And so, when you look at the plan next year, you know, it's that. it's assuming that you know client base will be you know relatively flat but maybe improving a little bit and in the right client sizes and then it's really going to be an increase in revenue per client which is really our model you know roughly you know half of that is coming from pricing and half of it's coming from from share of wallet and as I mentioned there's a there's a bit of a headwind on float this year just given what happened with short-term rates at the end of last calendar year so that that's kind of how we're thinking about

the year. Great. And I just want to ask one follow-up on the, especially since you just mentioned kind of revenue per client, I thought the discussion around, you know, I guess being able to have products and not, while not having the payroll or core payroll module is a good strategy for the retention component, but how is that impacting maybe the initial land? Are you seeing the funnel either brought in to where you're getting like a greater mix of non-payroll customers at the outset of joining the paychecks journey and is that changing maybe what the average revenue per new customer added looks like and and how should we think about that maybe in your guidance as well no I think Samad what

you should think about is you know as we've now had now that we have this capability and we've been using this capability you know to you know let's say just somewhat defensively let's don't lose everything let's you know If there's opportunities for us to add a client on a standalone basis that is non-standalone payroll, let's go and do that. I think what you're going to see is now that we have this capability, we will try to begin to integrate that into our sales motion so that if it's not the right time for a client to transition their payroll provider, their HCM provider, it may be the right time for them to leverage our compliance tool. or it may be the right time for them to use another one of our products or services like one of our benefits, et cetera. So I think one of the things that is probably different in the motion that we now have the capability to do that we just have to figure out the economics, the go-to-market strategy around is, okay, when I'm in that deal and I'm trying to sell the entire bundle, which is typically what we're trying to do, we're trying to convince someone to move to our HCM and payroll platform, and then we're bringing our 401k partner in at the same time, those things are generally, or insurance or ASO, those things were generally done as an integrated bundle. If you didn't win the HCM payroll, you didn't win anything. And now what we have an enablement to do technologically, that's the start, right, is that we can actually bill it and we can actually collect it and we can actually service it. That's the breakthrough here. And I think now we're just really to the point of saying, okay, can you do that profitably? What are the economics of that? But certainly the capabilities, what I'm excited about, because I do think it gives us an opportunity to be able to impact more customers in the marketplace and then build a relationship with them. And I think over the long term, what we've proven is over the long term, if we build a relationship with a client, they're going to buy more from us and they're getting value. I look at our retention this year, for example, our price value losses were down significantly. Again, it's a very competitive environment, and I think it just indicates that customers are seeing the value that we're providing. And I think as long as we continue to do that, and now that we have more products and services that we can serve those clients with, I think it gives us more opportunities to get hooks into a client. And then I think if we get a hook into a client, I think we know how to monetize that relationship over the long term.

Great. Thank you so much.

Thanks, Matt.

We'll go next now to Ashish Shabhadra at RBC Capital Markets.

Hey, good morning, guys. This is Bill Chee on for Ashish Shabhadra. Appreciate you guys taking a question. Maybe just on the fiscal year 27 margin guidance, 44% came in a little bit above our expectations. I think you alluded to some of the factors with better client selection, but just wondering if we could break out the drivers there as we kind of rationalize increased resources towards Salesforce, but also general kind of prudent cost management and optimization across the rest of the time.

Well, let me start by saying I said approximately 44%. So you can leave that to interpretation. So listen, And I think we typically are looking for ways to, you know, in a normal year, we're looking at 25 to 50 basis points of margin expansion. This is probably on the, you know, the guide probably assumes the higher end of that. And, you know, I think we've talked a lot about this. I think the investments in technology and what we're seeing from a productivity standpoint, you know, know, if you asked us a few years ago, whether we'd be able to get the 44% margins, we probably would have had a different answer. But we continue to look for ways to be more productive, more efficient. You know, one of the metrics that John and I are holding ourselves and the team accountable to is really trying to drive higher service revenue per employee. And that's growing at a rate, you know, higher than our revenue growth rate. And so that certainly helps with driving margin expansion. And then I'd say the other thing to think about there, too, is, you know, we bought a business that had structurally significantly lower operating margins than what we had, and we came in and we applied our operating model to it, got a lot of synergies associated with that, and you're going to see the full year, you know, a lot of that was realized this year, but you're also going to get the full year impact of that next year, which helps from a margin standpoint. And we're not done. I'm not sure we'll talk further about expense synergies as we go forward. It'll be BAU, but we see further opportunities there, certainly from a procurement standpoint as contracts come up for renewal and those types of things. But I would say those are probably the things that contributed to maybe being a bit on the high end of a normal year, but not too dissimilar than what we've been able to deliver. I think it was 70 basis points this

year. It's in that range next year. Yeah, I don't, again, I'm going to harp on this a little bit because this is something that doesn't get exposure. You can't go to HR Tech and look at our back office systems. You go to HR Tech and you look at all of the client-facing components. And so I know for some people it's a mystery how we can have the margins we have, you know, 42, to 44%, and it really has to do with the heritage rural service company that invested a lot of technology and having a very tight operating model and system internally. And so I always say that because this modernization that we've been able to unlock and do systematically across each portion of the back office component of what we do, I think has been one of the reasons why you've seen this constant progression it's why when we went into an acquisition even i remember in the oasis days when we did the oasis acquisition and someone from their operations comes in and looks at our tax capability and go like well when can we get off of ours things you begin to have that because in our business the most expensive is generated by mistake you have to clean up a tax error then it takes a lot of manual work to do that with the government etc so the capability now to prevent these errors up front, and now to be able to use eugenic AI to actually proactively identify those issues and get in front of them and actually fix them on our behalf. At the scale that we operate, that is a significant benefit, and it really frees up resources for us to move more resources to an advisory and support capability so that we can be more responsive to our clients when they need us. And a lot of that benefit, we're going to be able to drive more value to customers. And so I'm real excited. Again, as you guys know, I'm the old operator here. So, you know, these are the things that I was dreaming we would have someday, and now we have them. And I think there's a lot of potential and a lot of runway because literally we just got this completed. And so more to come, I think, in the years ahead here.

Thank you, guys. We'll go next now to Kardec Mehta at North Coast Research.

Hey, good morning, John and Bob. Yeah, I wanted to go back to a comment you made or Bob made on client growth and kind of just to understand your philosophy on client growth and looking at that, and I know you said it's going to be kind of flat to obsolete, and how you're approaching that. And do you think you can accelerate client growth, or would that be bad and hurt margins? I'm just interested to get your perspective on that.

Well, Cardik, I think the first thing we want to do is we want to to make sure we're driving retention in our highest lifetime value customer segments. So we already said record, PO, and when you look at where you go back, retention is at pre-couples at the time for paychecks. So at the end of the day, from a retention perspective, I think we're holding our own in the marketplace. Where we are putting our go-to-market motions are in our higher value segments, and what What we're trying to do as you look in the lower end of the market is we're trying to make sure that we are not overpaying from a cost of acquisition for a client that we know we will not make a long-term return on or monetize. And again, that's been our philosophy, I think, is that's how we get the margins we do, that's how we, you know, focus on, you know, driving more value over the long term. And so that is our, that's our operating model. As Bob says, it's not been a big part of our growth story over the past several years. And really, that's been our strategy at this point in time.

Perfect, John. And just to follow up, just your perspective on competition, obviously, based on the bookings growth you've talked about, it looks like Ptex is holding its own better than holding its own. So, curious as to what the competitive environment looks like.

You know, I don't – look, I think the competitive environment remains exactly the same. I think it's a very competitive market. I think that we have a – I think, obviously, our value proposition is resonating well with our existing clients given the retention we've had. And I think when you look at the bookings accelerating, we're doing very well. We're certainly doing extremely well in the PO business, and I would say the HR advisory side, just given the growth rates that we're seeing in comparison to the other benchmarks that I've seen in the industry. So I feel good about the way we're positioned. We have a competitive product, and I've not seen any major shifts in the competitors or in competitive behaviors.

Perfect. Thank you very much.

as always, appreciate it. We'll go next now to David Grossman with Stiefel.

Good morning. Thank you. So, you know, health care costs have been fairly elevated this year, actually quite elevated. And I'm just curious, what impact, if any, do the changes in health care inflation have on the growth of the PEO? And if you could just remind us on whether the PEO renewals are skewed to any particular quarter or quarters like it is for some of your

peers. Yeah, I mean, I'll start, and then John can add on. I think in general, medical inflation, which is high, and we would expect to continue to be high, I think that is a tailwind for the PEO business. I think it's helping drive our growth. Certainly, you know, I think we have a long history of trying to help small businesses punch above their weight, and I think that's one of the strengths of that PEO business model, that we can typically leverage our scale in being able to offer rates and benefits to small businesses that are cheaper than what they'd be able to offer on their own, and so I see that as contributing to the strength of that business model that we're currently seeing, and we would expect that to continue in the future. As it relates to our renewals, David, I think there's two. There's one that happens just based on acquisitions and so forth. We haven't fully aligned those. There's one that happens in the fall timeframe, and then there's one that happens at the beginning of the calendar year. We went through both of those this year with successful renewals. And when I look at across the PEO, whether it's our Florida at-risk medical plans, whether it's maybe attachment within our agency and the open market, or whether it's, you know, outside of Florida on our other master plans, our medical enrollment was up really across the board. And, again, I think that just speaks to the value of that business model in really helping small businesses deal with a pretty big challenge for them, you know, not only inflation but the cost of medical inflation.

Yeah, look, I think this is one of, you know, the top three issues that I think our market segment faces is in order to compete for small, medium-sized businesses to compete with, you've got to be able to have a competitive benefit packages against larger companies, okay? So I've got to do it to be competitive for labor. And then when you look at the cost, the cost is in many ways unsustainable for both the employer and the employee. So it's a double-edged sword. While you get the tailwind of a rising cost of your insurance that may show up in your revenue, the problem is that rising cost also scares people away from being able to afford it. So it's kind of balanced itself out. And I think to Bob's point, that's why we've had a multitude of different ways in which we can procure and provide health insurance, both in our PO and more generally across our business. And I think it's the other thing that we continue to try to do is come up with innovative approaches to be able to assist small businesses. We look at our Perks product. So, again, we offer these type of health and dental and other traditional big company benefits. In our Perks marketplace where an employer can say, I offer these benefits, but they don't pay into it, And then we're providing a discounted and a better user experience, just like in an open enrollment, for one of their employees to be able to buy it a la carte. We have over 400,000 unique employees buying from that marketplace today. And as we mentioned, we're now rolling that out to the pay core, 2.5 million employees. We also have a health reimbursement arrangement solution that we've brought to market and will continue to bring to market to try to help businesses. So, look, I think this health care inflation issue is real. It's a real squeeze for small and medium-sized businesses that want to compete for labor, and they're at a disadvantage. And we're providing a ton of different options, and that's why they're gravitating towards RPO, because it's not one size fits all. We can give you a multitude of different solutions, and your employees will have very similar experiences if they were on a master plan. So I do think that's another differentiator for us in the marketplace there.

Great. Thank you very much for that. And just one other quick one. You know, Bob, I know you said the cadence of growth should be relatively consistent across the year. However, you know, given we all over-index to very small variations in growth quarter to quarter, just based on the comps, Is it reasonable to expect that they be closer to the high end of the range in the first half or the higher, you know, the upper half of the range in the first half of the year and maybe the lower half in the second half of the year just based on the tick and the comparisons?

Yeah, David, I'm not sure I want to get into trying to parse the quarters at this point in time. you know there's puts and takes as we go through the year we'll kind of update you guys and try to provide more color on at least the the next quarter again I'm kind of looking at it in front of me and there's there's not really a lot of variation quarter to quarter so we'll provide more color on the on the splits as we move through the year but just kind of given we're at the beginning of the year and it's fairly consistent as we move through the year you know I'm not going to kind of get into the puts and takes between the different quarters at this point in time.

Great. Fair enough. Thank you very much.

Thank you.

We'll go next now to Scott Wurzel with Wolf Research.

Hey, good morning, guys. Thanks for squeezing me in. Just one from me, just thinking about the potential cross-sell opportunities with the PEO. Have you given any thought to sort of bringing the PEO platform and functionality over to the PayCorps side, or is it going to continue to just remain on the Paychex platform? Thanks.

So, Scott, I think the complexities of PO tax and unemployment insurance are a pretty heavy lift. We feel like we have a very solid platform. We've worked a lot on managing that migration because, remember, we did that internally as well. I would say that we continue to look, particularly with the advances we're seeing from product development perspective with the use of AI. And as I talked about before, as we now have completed the modularization of our various back office components, that's certainly something that we'll continue to look at. What we are committed to is offering a client a seamless migration path across our platforms and across our solutions. And, you know, whether that's done from moving them to one platform to another platform and doing it in an effortless way or whether that's empowering each one of our platforms to offer the full suite of capabilities is really going to be a, you know, cost-benefit analysis.

Thanks, guys.

And we'll go next now to Jason Kupferberg with Wells Fargo.

Hey, thank you, guys. So just reflecting on your midterm target for upper single-digit revenue growth, I mean, this year, obviously, we're guiding five to six, very consistent with what you had previewed last quarter. But just conceptually, as we think about that medium term, does upper single-digit still feel like the right range, or is it possible we need some more M&A to get there? We'd love some perspective on that.

Yeah, I mean, I think if you look at kind of historically the business, I mean, we updated the slides in the investor slide. So when you look at the revenue CAGR, it's obviously much higher. I think it's a 13, I think, on the top line over the last five years. Obviously, a big contribution from PayCorp. But if you strip that out, you know, Jason, we've typically been in that 7% to 8% range historically. And when you look at the growth formula, whatever you want to call it, it typically we're driving one to two percent from M&A, and that continues to be an area of interest to us to look for opportunities. I don't expect us to do anything, at least in the near term, like we just did with the PAYCOR acquisition. But there's certainly opportunities out there, and we would expect to leverage M&A prospectively, like we have in the past to drive growth in our business where we see opportunities. And so I think if you look at the organic growth of the business coupled with what we've historically contributed over a longer period of time, 1% to 2% from M&A, you can clearly see where it's in that upper single-digit range.

That color is helpful. And just coming back to the conversation earlier about some of the recategorization between paychecks and pay-for, I know you took the sub-100 employee clients from PayCorps, put them in paychecks, and then the 100-plus, obviously, going to PayCorps, and that's making some of the comparability in the apples to apples harder to really discuss. But sitting here today, if we look at management solutions revenue based on all this recategorization, what percent of MS revenue is now enterprise, i.e. the 100-plus?

you know I don't I don't have that breakdown in front of me to be fair and I don't really want to try to guess I mean when we look at that enterprise segment we're not just talking management solutions we're looking at the entire business so certainly in the in the PEO we have larger clients as well so I just you know maybe that's something that we can add to just based on your feedback we can add to a future IR deck but but I don't have that that

would be great. Thanks, Bob. Thank you. Thank you. Gentlemen, it appears we have no further questions this morning. Mr. Gibson, I'd like to turn things back to you, sir, for any closing

comments. Thank you, Bo. Well, listen, thanks, everybody, for your questions and for joining us today and your interest in paychecks. We're entering the fiscal year 2027 position better than ever. We've had strong strategic priorities, including our upmarket expansion and the integration of PACOR, the work that we've done to drive advisory differentiation that we've done and the teams have done across the board. It's just really been, if you think back what this team and this organization has been through the last year since we just all came together just one short year ago, and the amount of work that needed to be done in the back office, the amount of work that needed to be done in the integration front, and the progress we've made, I'm just so proud of the company. And to deliver these results that we delivered, again, to have hit the original guidance that I think there probably were some skeptics about a year ago on the back half, to be able to land that and to be able to raise guidance twice on earnings per share as we went through the year because we demonstrated our best operator capabilities and were able to exceed the expense synergies in the acquisitions. So, you know, look, I think we sit here today with the teams in place, with the technology and platforms that are built for purpose for the markets that they serve, and now an AI-enabled organization that I really think is just really going to continue the momentum that we've seen build over fiscal year 26. So we believe this enhances our competitive position. As I said, we're stronger together, and I think it really supports the growth and value creation for paychecks, not only in 2027, but I think well beyond. So, again, thank you for your support, and we'll talk to you next quarter.

Thank you, Mr. Gibson, and thank you, Mr. Schrader. Ladies and gentlemen, this does conclude the Paychecks fourth quarter fiscal 2026 earnings call. We'd like to thank you all so much for joining us today and wish you all a great remainder of your day.