Modine Manufacturing Co Q4 FY2026 Earnings Call

Hello and good morning. Welcome to our conference call to discuss Modine's fourth quarter fiscal 2026 results. I'm joined by Neil Brinker, our President and Chief Executive Officer, and Mick Luccarelli, our Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. The slides that we will be using with today's presentation are available on the Investor Relations section of our website, modine.com. On slide three of that deck is our notice regarding forward-looking statements. This call will contain forward-looking statements as outlined in our earnings release as well as in our company's filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission. With that, I will turn the call over to Neil.

Thank you, Kathy, and good morning, everyone. I'm pleased to report another strong quarter capping off our fourth consecutive year of record-breaking revenue in adjusted EBITDA. This is a testament to the hard work and dedication of the entire team. Even more importantly, we've built strong business momentum and significantly advanced our strategic transformation, accelerating the evolution of our portfolio to become more focused on higher margin and higher growth businesses. Earlier in the year, we announced three strategic acquisitions, Absolute Air, LB White, and Climate by Design, which collectively added $119 million in incremental revenue this year. These acquisitions added key products to our portfolio and opened new end markets and channel partners for our HVAC businesses. In the second quarter, we announced an incremental $100 million investment to expand capacity for our data center products in the U.S. We are more than six months into this work, and I'm happy to report that we are firmly on schedule with this crucial initiative. When completed, our investment to expand our operations footprint in the U.S. will provide critical capacity close to our North American customers, allowing us to further advance our market positions in this hyper-growth market. In January, we announced that we will further accelerate our transformation by spinning off our performance technology segment and combining it with Gentium. This transaction will allow us to focus on our high-growth businesses while providing an ideal home for our performance technology team and finally to close out this remarkable year i'm proud to announce a landmark long-term capacity locking agreement with a key strategic data center customer under the terms of this lta we will guarantee capacity to supply more than 4 billion of data center cooling products during calendar years 2027 through 2029. this agreement highlights the confidence our customers have in modin and validates our need for our current investment in capacity expansion. This has been a year of tremendous accomplishments. I'm so proud of our team's execution and commitment. While we celebrate these successes, we are even more energized by the significant opportunities that lie ahead. Please turn to slide five. Climate Solutions delivered another outstanding, record-breaking year. The segment reported a 43% increase in revenues for the full fiscal year, including acquisitions. Organic sales grew 32% in fiscal 2026. Sales growth in this segment was also driven by data centers, which increased 73% to $1.1 billion. We entered the year with a strong fourth quarter performance in data centers with over $400 million in revenue. To put this in perspective, our chiller production in North America increased fivefold as compared to the prior year. This was despite production delays where we lost 20 shifts due to severe weather MSL. The team worked extremely hard to overcome the impact of this misproduction and make sure we delivered on our customers' commitments, which included significant overtime hours. In addition, we ended the year with our second consecutive quarter of record order intake. I recently toured several of our data center facilities, and I'm pleased to report that the expansion plans are progressing well. We've already shipped our first chillers from Jefferson City, Missouri, and we shipped air handling units and CDUs from our Franklin, Wisconsin plant in the fourth quarter. Overall, I'm very pleased and proud of this team's work. Their efforts have been instrumental to our revenue growth this quarter and will continue to allow us to grow to meet future demand. As we continue to execute on our capacity expansion, we are proactively managing our supply chain to ensure our growth trajectory. We are currently addressing challenges with a few key suppliers, which is affecting our production schedules and efficiency. We began to see a shortage of certain components late in the quarter, and we are implementing corrective actions. We have a dedicated team actively working on solutions, including qualifying new vendors to ensure a stable supply of components. We're confident in our ability to manage through these short-term challenges, and while this will temporarily impact our Q1 production plans, we do not anticipate any impact on our full-year outlook. From a market demand standpoint, we're in a great competitive position the outlook remains incredibly strong and we see no signs of slowdown the hyperscalers are continuing their significant investments with a heavy concentration in North America we're deepening our partnership with strategic customers co-developing innovative products to meet their current and future cooling needs one of the products I'm most excited about is our groundbreaking 3 megawatt chiller which delivers a 50% increase in cooling capacity with only a nine percent increase in footprint as chip densities increases data centers will require more cooling capacity within the same footprint our three megawatt chillers modular design will be the solution for handling higher heat loads within the same space we believe this will be a game-changer innovating alongside our customers for what our dynamic cooling requirements over multi-year periods is giving us greater visibility into future demand, allowing us to invest in our key growth initiatives and products with greater conviction. Now turning to the rest of our climate solution segment. Our HTS business delivered a great quarter with revenues up 19%. This was largely driven by higher coil sales to data center and heat pump customers. In HVAC technologies, revenues increased 51% from the prior year, driven by recent acquisitions. Our HVAC business on the East Coast and in the south, also lost significant production time due to severe weather. Looking forward, we have a great deal to be excited about across this segment. The commercial HVAC portion of the Scott Springfield business is poised for a strong recovery from a down year. This business was negatively impacted by tariffs this past year, but is expected to rebound in fiscal 27. We're also seeing continued momentum in our coils business, not only with data center customers, but also in commercial HVAC markets. Similarly, our heating businesses are also expected to have a good year, led by agricultural heating and markets served by L.B. White. In summary, I'm very pleased with the performance of the climate solution segment and I'm confident in our strategy as we head into the fiscal year 27. Please turn to page 6. The performance technology segment is making excellent progress on preparing for the planned spinoff and merger with GenThem. There are numerous work streams preparing for the separation, including standing up IT systems to ensure that we can deliver a standalone operating business to GenTherm at close. We have completed several major milestones and have others ahead of us, including GenTherm's S-4 submission to the SEC and its subsequent shareholder approval, as well as a receipt of our IRS determination letter on the tax treatment of the reverse Morse Trust transaction. Overall, this process remains on track and we are still expecting to close this transaction before the end of the calendar year presuming that all these necessary approvals are received the team is excited about the road ahead we have worked diligently to improve our business with higher adjusted EBITDA margins on flat to down revenues margins were lower this quarter as anticipated primarily due to higher material costs including the impact of tariffs we expect this to improve in fiscal 27 as we pass through and recover these costs while our vehicular markets have been challenging we are seeing bright spots and opportunities for growth the stationary power market continues to be strong and we expect this to return to growth in fiscal 27. we are also encouraged by the emerging growth in our automotive and construction equipment businesses regarding the latest 232 aluminum tariffs we are proactively working to mitigate their impact on our business we have a proven track record of managing these situations and are in the process of working through this current round. We have factored a range of expected costs in our guidance, which Mick will discuss in more detail. Before I hand it over to Mick, I'd like to remind you of our upcoming changes to our segment reporting structures. The performance technology segment, under the leadership of Jeremy Patton, will continue to be reported as a segment until the expected spin-off and merger, which ends the term closes later this year. Our climate solutions segment has been split into two segments beginning in fiscal 2027. Datasetters, led by Art Laszlo, and Commercial HVAC, currently led by Eric McGinnis. Eric has announced that he will be retiring in June, and his successor will be named at a later date. I'd like to sincerely thank Eric for his leadership and invaluable contributions to Modine over the past five years. We wish Eric a long, happy, and well-deserved retirement. With that, I'll turn the call over to Mick.

Thanks, Neil, and good morning, everyone. please turn to slide 7 to begin reviewing the Q4 segment results. Climate Solutions delivered a strong quarter with sales up 87% over the prior year. The main driver was data centers, which grew 246 million or 158%. HVAC technology sales increased 33 million or 51 percent, driven by our recent acquisitions partially offset by slightly lower sales of heating and indoor air quality products. Heat transfer solution sales grew 19 percent or 26 million, primarily driven by coils with higher sales to commercial HVAC and data center customers. I'm pleased to report that Climate Solutions fourth quarter adjusted EBITDA grew 63% driven by strong data center earnings growth from the prior year. As anticipated the Climate Solutions adjusted EBITDA margin was down versus the prior year but improved sequentially from the prior quarter. And all three product groups generated strong year-over-year earnings growth, including a near doubling in our data center business. One headwind during the quarter was severe weather and storms across the United States. As Neil stated, we lost 20 production shifts in data centers and another 35 shifts in other parts of the business due to weather-related shutdowns. The team largely made up this work, but with additional costs for overtime that negatively impacted gross margin as we discussed last quarter HVAC technologies is currently experiencing a negative mixed impact along with higher costs while we are integrating several acquisitions these factors are temporary and we expect that the margins will continue to improve we also saw a nice sequential margin improvement and heat transfer solutions contributing to the rapid earnings growth. With regards to the data center group, I'm happy to say that we saw another sequential margin gain in Q4. While the margin improved, there were some negative margin impacts during the lost production days tied to the weather and a shortage of some critical parts. As Neil discussed, we expect the team will address the shortage of a few critical components during our first quarter, and I'll provide some additional information in our guidance section. Despite some planned and unplanned challenges and growing revenue by more than 85%, our climate solutions segment delivered over 60% earnings growth. As Neil noted, starting in fiscal 27, this segment will be split into two, data centers and commercial HVAC. I'll discuss our outlook in more detail at the end, but we anticipate another year of earnings growth driven by strong top-line growth and further margin improvement. Please turn to slide eight. Performance technologies revenue remained relatively flat from the prior year with lower sales offset by FX, which positively impacted sales by 12 million. Heavy-duty equipment sales were down 5%, primarily driven by lower GEMSET revenue. On-highway sales were up 4%, with higher sales to automotive and commercial vehicle customers. As expected, the EBITDA margin was down versus the prior year, primarily due to lower sales volume, along with higher material and tariff costs. Given the difficult market conditions and higher material costs suggested EBITDA declined 15% from the prior year. As we've done in the past, we'll recover tariffs through surcharges and mitigate increasing metals prices with pricing mechanisms in our customer contracts. As a reminder, there is typically a three to six month lag before these price adjustments take effect. FGNA expenses were $5 million lower versus the prior year as the segment continues to benefit from cost savings initiatives implemented earlier in the year. The team has been quite diligent in managing all controllable costs this year with the full fiscal year EBITDA margin improving 30 basis points to 13.8%. This was a nice improvement given the lower revenue and various cost headwinds. We expect margins to further improve during fiscal 27 as we adjust commodity related pricing, recover tariffs and maintain our 80-20 focus and discipline.

Now let's review the total company results.

Please turn to slide nine. Fourth quarter sales increased 47 percent driven by revenue growth and climate solutions. Gross profit increased 29%, driven primarily by higher data center sales volume, along with contributions from the acquisitions and climate solutions. The lower gross margin was due to the combination of factors that I covered with climate solutions and performance technologies. SG&A expenses increased, but at a much lower rate than overall revenue growth. We increased SG&A spending in climate solutions, partially offset that with performance technologies cost savings initiatives. As a result, SG&A as a percentage of sales fell by 190 basis points to 10.7%. I'd also like to note that the reported FGNA included $12.5 million of disposition costs related to the pending spinoff of performance technologies. These have been added back to arrive at adjusted EBITDA and are referenced in the reconciliation schedule. From an earnings standpoint, I'm pleased to report a 40% improvement adjusted EBITDA. And while I reviewed the temporary items that have impacted this year's margin, the adjusted EBITDA margin continues to improve with a 40 basis point increase from the third quarter while growing revenue at an exponential rate. Adjusted earnings per share increased 53% to $1.71. To summarize our consolidated results, Q4 represented another strong quarter of revenue and earnings growth. We're pleased to have delivered another record year. The team is managing well through a strategic transformation and exponential data center growth. This year represents the fourth year of earnings growth of 20% or more, resulting in a compound annual growth rate in excess of 40%. As we look ahead, we expect to continue to capitalize on this momentum and drive further margin improvement as the data center production volumes ramp. Now, moving to the cash flow metrics, please turn to slide 10. Pre-cash flow was a positive $153 million in the fourth quarter. As Neil announced, we reached a long-term capacity agreement with a key strategic data center customer and received an upfront cash payment of 165 million this payment is intended to support our capacity expansion and to meet future volume commitments under this agreement from an accounting standpoint the customer payment represents a down payment to secure future volumes it did not impact the income statement and was recorded as a contract liability and this liability will be reduced over the life of the contract based on future volumes. Net debt of $363 million was $84 million higher than the prior fiscal year end. This included the funding for the three acquisitions completed earlier this year. The investments in CapEx and working capital required to grow our data center our business. Our balance sheet remains quite strong with a leverage ratio of 0.8. And based on our earnings and cash flow outlook, we expect it will decline further in fiscal 27. CapEx for fiscal 26 totaled $143 million. As I explained last quarter, some of the data center capital investments will carry over into the next fiscal year as we continue with our capacity expansion to meet our future customer demands. Now let's turn to slide 11 for our fiscal 27 outlook. Similar to last year, there's a great deal of uncertainty across the markets in the global economy, especially around input costs, tariffs, and the overall supply chain. With regards to trade and tariff risks, our team is continually assessing the impact on our business, including the recent announced 232 tariffs on metals. We believe that we'll be able to recover the majority of these impacts with pricing and surcharges. While the net risk is quite manageable, we can be impacted by the timing of the material price adjustments. Our guidance ranges to start the year reflect the current level of uncertainty in the markets and input costs. Also, our outlook includes a full year of performance technologies. Once we know when the pending transaction will close, we'll provide an update on our full year outlook for the remaining business. For fiscal 27, we expect total company sales to grow in the range of 20 to 35%. For the data center segment, we expect sales to grow 60 to 80 percent. This is ahead of our previous multi-year estimate of 50 to 70 percent. We don't anticipate that the part shortages we started to experience in Q4 will impact our full-year production, but will temporarily impact our capacity ramp. Consistent with the previous year, we expect that each of the quarters will show very rapid year-over-year sales growth in excess of 50 percent and from a sequential standpoint we anticipate that q2 q3 and q4 will all show sequential increases for commercial HVAC we expect sales to grow five to ten percent this year this is driven by accelerated growth in our heating and IAQ businesses In addition, we expect that the recent growth trends in the coils business will continue with mid-single-digit growth in fiscal 2017. For performance technologies, we anticipate sales to be flat to up 5%, driven primarily by material pass-through agreements and growth in stationary power programs. We are expecting most other markets to be flat with opportunity for improvement in the back half of the fiscal year. With regards to our full-year earnings, we expect Fiscal 27 adjusted EBITDA to be in the range of $650 to $680 million, representing a growth rate in excess of 40%. And this implies at least of 100 to 200 basis points of margin improvement. We expect that this will be driven by a margin increase in all three business segments. From a free cash flow perspective, we expect we'll generate a higher level of free cash flow, and as a percentage of sales, we believe it will be between 4 and 6 percent. Please see the appendix in this presentation for all our key assumptions, including interest expense, taxes, depreciation, and amortization expense. As we currently look at the next several quarters, we expect that margins and earnings will increase sequentially throughout the year, driven by the data center trends I described in our material cost recovery plans. From a year-over-year perspective, we anticipate that each quarter will result in double-digit earnings growth with favorable margin comparisons to begin in Q2 and continuing through year-end. As Neil and I previously noted, we are now operating under three business segments and to assist everyone with modeling and analysis, we'll provide a recast fiscal 26 segment results and we'll begin reporting this way with our first quarter results. To wrap up, we're excited about our fiscal 27 outlook and fully expect to deliver another year of record sales and adjusted EBITDA. Very few companies are planning to grow earnings in excess of 40% this year and drive meaningful margin improvements. I'm proud to say that this team has executed on these types of results over the last several years. They've worked hard to execute on our strategy using 80-20 as a guide. The recent announcements related to the LTA and pending spinoff of performance technologies are truly historic. We remain confident that these actions are setting the stage for long-term, sustainable growth for Modine shareholders. With that, Neil and I will take your questions.

At this time, we'll be conducting a question and answer session. If you'd like to ask a question, please press star 1 on your telephone keypad. A confirmation tone will indicate your line is in the question queue. You may press star 2 if you'd like to remove your question from the queue. For participants using speaker equipment, it may be necessary to pick up your handset before pressing the star keys. One moment, please, while we poll for questions. First question comes from Matt Somerville with DA Davidson. Your line is now live.

Thanks, Morning. Um, Nick, I was wondering the question on margins, as we kind of think about looking at Modine in the context of a climate only sort of remain co entity, what would your profitability expectation be for the PT business? It's been factored into your guide is again, we think about how to best build and for others to best build, you know, a, a climate only remain co sort of model looking ahead.

Yeah. Hey, Matt. I think it's going to be good news is relatively clean and your ability to estimate it until we do the recast and then eventually the disc ops after the deal closes. We're looking at this year, so I mentioned already, from a top line flat to 5%, So, relatively consistent top line with last year. From a margin, we see it early this year being between probably like a 14% to 15%. That'd be up maybe 25% to 100 basis points. So, that would give you a good idea of how to back that out. There's some complexities around corporate costs that will stay or go with, but net-net, there wasn't a large material difference in, you know, remaining SG&A. So for the most part, I think you'll have the pieces to try to estimate Modine.

Thank you. That's helpful. And then maybe if you guys could talk a little bit, But you're guiding fiscal 27 data center business to up 60 to 80. You have this massive long-term agreement for capacity that you disclosed yesterday. How does all of this influence, you know, the multi-year CAGR of 50 to 70 that you previously discussed for the data center business? And secondarily, do you see more LTAs? And is the one you just signed accretive to profitability? And if so, maybe talk about that. Thank you, guys.

Yeah, I'll go first. I don't see a reason to change our longer term outlook, and we'll do this year, later this year, we'll do probably, we'll go out another year of more formal guidance. But in short, Matt, raising this year up to 60 to 80, I don't think that changes being 50 to 70, or some people have asked, would that mean imply a decline?

No. will entertain the potential opportunities for smaller versions of that, yes.

Thanks, guys. I'll be back with you.

Our next question is from Noah Kaye with Oppenheimer.

Your line is now live. Just to follow up, and congratulations, by the way, I'm inking that LTA. So two related questions on it. First, does this result in you expanding capacity beyond the scope of the expansion that you outlined in July? In other words, is this incremental as an increase in your revenue capacity, how much so? And second, I think I understood you, Mick, but I just want to be crystal clear. The LTA, you're saying, is not really incremental to the targets you've already given us? or is it more that you are, after this fiscal year, going back to the 50% to 70% CAGR on top of where you'll exit fiscal 27?

Hey, Noah, this is Neil. I'll take the first part of that question. The LTA that was announced is in the numbers of the capacity expansion that we've talked about over the last few quarters. And we believe with the annual CapEx that we traditionally spend each year, particularly in the data center business, that annual cycle of CapEx spend will be sufficient for us to continue to grow capacity beyond this LTA.

And then to your question on growth rates, no, I'll try again. I'm glad to make sure there's no confusion. This year we see revenue growth higher, 60% to 80%, and after, as we roll forward then to next fiscal year, be to 70%.

All right, that's extremely helpful. And then just you called out the weather impacts, you know, across the business in the quarter. Just so we kind of have that as a data point heading into next year, can you maybe dimension what the cost impact was? You know, whether it was sort of a lost profitability, lost EBITDA numbers, that's something that you can have and can share with us?

Yeah, from a climate solution side, NOAA, I think 50 to 100 basis points in the climate business.

Thank you very much. Our next question is from Neil Burke with UBS. Your line is now live.

Hey, thanks for the question. Mick, I think you just mentioned data center growth of 60 to 80% for this year, but also for fiscal 28, if I heard that right. Can you just kind of remind us, like, the number of production lines that you had running, exiting the year, and how many you're expecting to get to by year-end?

Yeah, I'll go quick, and Neil then can talk about capacity. We see 60% to 80% growth this year on the data center side. So, that's, you know, call it $1.8 billion to the $2 billion range this year. And then, for the following fiscal year, I would still use a 50% to 70% range for our fiscal 28. We'll dial that in and we'll know more, that's why I said later this calendar year, either through an IR meeting or an IR day, we'll likely give a more firm fiscal 28 or even a 29 outlook for all of you. But in the interim, I would assume next year is still going to be a 50 to 70 percent growth Well, at 50 capacity, we have chillers and data centers.

We have half of the capacity running at various rates of efficiency today. We'll be doubling that by the end of the fiscal year.

That's helpful. And then just to follow up on, just to make sure I understand for the current year, I know you said calendar 2027 is when you start recognizing revenue for that $4 billion long-term agreement. Do you have enough visibility to say, like, is there just basically one quarter assumed in the guide for this year of revenue recognition? Because one quarter alone off of that four billion should be pretty substantial.

We actually have that built in to our current guide and part of it is we know where the LCA is and we have windows where they give us firm commits. I don't think we're quite there yet to know what that exact number will be in Q4. And then also, I would just add, as we've tried to do in previous years, I would say we've got the most firm commitments and delivery schedules for the next six months, Neil. And when we get to our Q4 and where we've tended to update our Q4 or raise guidance, if we're fortunate enough would be probably we get halfway through the year. So Q4 is kind of our best placeholder for this time and we're just balancing the known and unknown at this point with regards to that.

Okay, thank you.

Our next question comes from Chris Moore with CJS Securities. Your line is now live.

Hey, good morning, guys. So in terms of data center growth, 60-80 percent this year continued rapid you know 50 to 70 percent um and and and strong beyond that so that that recognizes the market is a dynamic the mix of products you know to get there might might change maybe just strictly from a from a fiscal 27 perspective is the mix pretty locked in and And, you know, if so, roughly what percentage of that is chillers?

And that's why we have the modularity with our factory so that we can adjust and pivot to whichever design that we move forward with. The last number we gave was around half of that was chillers.

About 40%.

40% this year. And then it'll be about 50%. Up to 50. A little bit of a mix shift there. And then the balance of that, the other side would be air handling units.

On the heat transfer side, so the growth this quarter you've talked about driven both by data center and heat pump customers. Moving forward, just from a data center perspective, how much of that growth is on the data center side? And is that going to be kind of a constant moving forward, you know, over the next five years, that piece of the heat transfer growth?

So within the coil side of heat transfer solutions, clearly the largest rate of growth is coming out of the data center side. I would say the balance of it tends to be more based on replacement cycles or GDP cycles. Neil, anything you want to add?

Yeah, and it's pretty new in terms of the growth on the data center side that we're seeing. It's over the last quarter or so. We're still building out the funnel. We're engaging with customers to understand, you know, what the short-term and long-term commitments are. But definitely there's interest there on the data center side as we see our customers wanting to lock up some support.

Got it. I appreciate it, guys. I'll jump back in line.

Our next question comes from David Tarantino with KeyBank Capital Markets. Your line is now live.

Hey, good morning, everyone. Maybe following up on the LTA, understanding that there's often NDAs covering this, but could you give any color on kind of profile the customer is it new or an existing customer and what technologies the agreement covers and then maybe within that how should we be thinking about how the four billion dollars shows through in terms of timeline as the capacity continues to ramp here yeah thanks david so it's with an existing customer yes it's someone you know we've had a relationship we've got great relationships with uh with our data center customers and this is just further evidence and this lta specific for our chillers right and any

thoughts on how no go ahead david just any thoughts on how the four billion shows through kind of has capacity still ramping here yeah so we mentioned uh a minute ago it's calendar so we'll see some ramp beginning in q4 we'll know more here probably in you know another quarter or and then um like it is over three years and don't know the exact ramp but we don't see any more than two billion so still early days but hopefully that kind of helps if you look at uh four billion over three years and no more than two billion in any one year definitely in a ramp up Okay, great.

And then maybe looking at data center as a whole, could you give any – some more color on the pipeline here, maybe X the LTA. I think you mentioned another quarter of record order intake, but kind of any color on continued opportunities as we think about the long-term growth profile. And then maybe talk about your confidence in delivering for those other customers as you ramp the capacity for the LTA as well.

Yeah, certainly we will balance this to make sure that we meet our commitments with all of our data center customers. There's no doubt about that. So before we commit to this or we agree to any kind of long-term agreement around capacity, we want to make sure that we keep all of our customers in mind and we are able to deliver on those commitments. So that's considered, to your point. What was the second part of your question, David?

And just the pipeline as a whole, if you kind of exclude the LTA from this quarter, kind of give some color on how it continues to evolve as you kind of put up these record order numbers, how much more is out there?

Yeah, it continues to evolve, you're right, and it's growing at, you know, significant rates. I think if you look at the trends in the last couple years, it continues to follow that trend line. And as we move things through our probability funnel, we get to points where we can publicly announce LTAs, which gives hopefully everybody further confidence that we can execute on these things. So the funnel is large. It continues to grow. Our hit rate continues to increase because of our technology. And because of that, we feel very confident with the guidance that we gave relative to data centers.

Our next question comes from Brian Drabb with William Blair. Your line is now live.

Hi. Thanks for taking my questions. I'm curious if you would say anything about what the probability was that you had assigned to the orders or the opportunity associated with the LTA when you gave us the 50% to 70% forecast for 27% and 28%.

We factored in, Neil always talks about the funnel, and when we set those longer-term goals, building a customer by customer opportunity. So there's some of that that gets...

Yeah, so I'm trying to get a sense for, is it really incremental? You know, we don't know if you had $4 billion in sales over that period with an 80% probability on it, or was this something like a win where it was like 30% and it's more of a surprise, but you can't help any further with that?

No, maybe the way I would say maybe it will help is when we give a multi-year look like that and we talk about the funnel, we'll clear that LTA, we don't have multi-year POs. and what this one did is it gave us a really high confidence in a big portion of our two, three.

If you run that 60 to 80 and 50 to 70 percent, being north of 2 billion and that applies we're at, you know, a 3 billion type plus, this is a big component of it that in that funnel that gives us more visibility of that outlook yeah I would just say when we get out to outside of the fiscal year we're in it's really difficult to have certainty and on what those order rates could potentially be you see the projects for sure you have them in that 25 to 50 percent range but anything outside of a calendar year can be really really difficult to predict so if you're looking at things in 27 and 28 and 29 those are going to be the lower end of the probability funnel the lpa simply you know accelerates it through the probability funnel to a high degree of confidence so it's um yeah i mean it feels really significant i'm just going to press one with one more on it just because you know if it's $4 billion over three years, and you're doing, you know, you said not over $2 billion in a year, I think, a second ago, but I mean, on average, it's like $1.4 billion.

And if you're hitting a run rate, you know, in fiscal 28 of $3 billion plus in data center, and a little more than half of that is killers, you know, you're doing like $1.5 billion plus in killers, but this one LTA is $1.4 billion on average over three years. So I'm just trying to, you know, see if that, you know, thinking makes sense. Because what it feels like, observing from the outside here, is that there's a big step up, like, step function increase in data center revenue coming in either fiscal 28 or 29 because you have a lot more customers than just this one.

But I know there wasn't a question there. Yeah, that's true. Well, no, that's true. That's the way you're thinking about it in terms of they absorb a huge amount of capacity. And we can always add further capacity based on demand with our annual CapEx budget that we have in place. We've looked at that. We've done the analysis, and we're comfortable with growing with our customers and having further conversations on if we want to invest in more chiller lines and how to go about it. So it's a fair point.

Okay, and then just the last one. Can you give any further color on the first quarter? You know, you said supply chain impacting volume. I don't know if you said if volume would be down year over year or up year over year. You know, like how directionally can you give us some sense for how to model first quarter and then also first quarter margins for climate solutions?

Yeah. Yeah, are you, Brian, just to narrow that down, were you talking about data centers in particular or the total company or?

I guess just climate solutions EBITDA margin, first of all, I'm wondering, because I think you said favorable comparisons or something along those lines for the second, third, and fourth quarter. I'm just wondering what you're trying to tell us about the first quarter for climate solutions EBITDA margin and then also, you know, how much is volume, sales volume going to be impacted for, I guess, data center or, you know, or climate solutions, however you want to talk about it for the first quarter.

Yeah. So, margin standpoint, maybe I'll just kind of talk about revenue. I think total company revenue in the first quarter should be right in line with our annual revenue range, probably closer to the midpoint top line. From a margin standpoint of the prior year, we expect that the HVAC and data center businesses will be, margin will be down year over year in Q1, similar to the trend we've had the last few quarters starting in Q2 last year where we've been improving the margin. but on a year-over-year basis, it's been down from a year-over-year comparability. And then, as I mentioned at the beginning of the call, we expect that to flip in Q2, three segments, and continuing in that, in addition to that, have favorable year-over-year margins for the balance of the year. The Q1 is really working through from a data center, continue to ramp our volumes on the data center side and then HVAC it's will be on a holiday will kind of anniversary on those three acquisitions and that'll have their beginning and cute okay thank you very much yeah as a reminder if you like to ask a question please press star one on your telephone keypad one moment

please while we poll for questions our next question comes from jeff van cinderen with b riley securities your line is now live uh good morning everyone um i'm just wondering is there a way to break out how much of your data center business is ai related versus cloud and i guess what are your latest thoughts on how the longer term mix of of that will evolve between ai and cloud um and then just maybe how long do you believe the rapid growth of ai data centers can continue just trying to get i guess a sense of how you think about longevity of there

versus kind of the ongoing cloud demand we look at we have projects at different levels of scale in our funnels we look at and we talk to customers and we have our technology roadmaps that obviously go beyond that as well. So, we feel pretty confident over the next several years into 2030 with our projections and our guidance based on the supply chain and the data center capacity that's being added globally. It's difficult for us to know where the product is being used in certain applications. Our product is universal, so it can go into cloud, it can go into to compute, it can go into hard to know exactly what some of these data centers are actually used for high degree of certainty that that's part used to grow at the rate reason to think it's going to be any less than that over the next couple of years.

And then just, I guess, thinking about obviously this LTA is going to be a pretty substantial part of your business.

And I guess as we think about kind of challenges ahead that you're navigating relevant to further ramping production um maybe you can just touch a little bit more to the degree that you want to on those um and maybe speak to initiatives to kind of get beyond those obstacles uh to getting production higher yeah that's good you know it's a good it's a good question and i just have to commend the team at modine for this i mean all the businesses pitching in to support the data center business the entire organization pitching in to support the data center because that we have It's such a well-hand product that the demand is so high. It's all hands on deck. We've doubled the data center business hard, and this is the first time we've actually started to bump up against them. So we're talking with our suppliers. We're working with our suppliers, and we're engaging in a way we haven't engaged in the past to ensure continuity of supply. We're looking at our suppliers strategically, and then we are also helping our suppliers with the daily cadence and the daily management to ensure that we can keep bouncing at. It's a mix of tactics and strategy. It's one of our top priorities as a company. We've invested there significantly with the human capital to support that. We've hired some very talented people to support that. The radar for us is we continue to double our capacity, or I should say double the business.

Okay, great. Thanks for taking my questions. I'll take the rest offline.

We have a follow-up question from Matt Somerville with DA Davidson. Your line is now live.

Thanks. Just a couple quick ones. As we think about the context of this LTA and the chiller lines that you publicly disclosed you're standing up, the 14 lines in the U.S., the two lines in the U.K., when all of those lines are ramped, how much of your chiller capacity will be spoken for potentially by this LTA? And how should we think about Modine's sort of playbook who at some point down the road, you know, serve the two hyperscalers that you currently have onboarded as customers, but those that you're not able to supply chillers to at this moment? And then I have another quick one.

Yeah, well, the ones that we are having conversations with that are beyond the LTA today. Absolutely, we can make adjustments and we can make pivots, but we're looking for certainty to deploy any additional CAPEX. So we would engage in similar conversations and discussions and how we could potentially lock up capacity for a specific customer. We know how to do it. We know the process. We know the playbook. We can do more of it. It's just once we get to that point in negotiations long term, what years would that impact? I don't have an answer for that right now because we're in capacity that we have today a high degree of it is going to be for the LPA I can't give you a specific number because these are all ramping at different rates and the government just finally maybe kind of get off of the DC topic for a minute can you talk about your M&A funnel action ability and how we should be

thinking about M&A in the context of fiscal 28 or excuse me fiscal 27 for Yeah, we're still maintaining an active funnel, Matt, and that's important. It took us a while to build those relationships, and we want to keep doing our homework on those. In the next, you know, I'd say for the bulk of this calendar year, it's still going to be heads down. and we talk a lot about the data center business and how many people at Modine and Neil talked about are supporting a business growing at that rate. And then some of the same people or those that aren't doing that are also actively working daily to stand up the performance technologies group so we can complete the bulk of this calendar year. That's a lot, plus the three acquisitions we're integrating in HVAC. Anything could happen, but I really think for Neil and I are focused on it.

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