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Good morning, everyone. I will now turn the call over to Elizabeth Hamawi, Aya Gold and Silvers, Director of Corporate and Financial Communications. Please go ahead.
Thank you, Operator, and welcome everyone to Aya's fourth quarter and full year 2025 Earnings Conference Call. Here with me today, I have Benoit Lassalle, President and CEO, Hugo Landry-Tolchak, Chief Financial Officer, Elias Elias, Chief Legal and Sustainability Officer, Raphael Baudouin, Vice President of Operations, and David Lalonde, Vice President of Exploration. We will be referring to a presentation on this call, which is available via the webcast and is also posted on our website. We will be making forward-looking statements during the call. Please refer to our cautionary notes included in the presentation, news release and MD&A, as well as the risk factors included in our AIF. Technical information in this presentation has been reviewed and approved by Raphael Beaudoin, AYA's VP of Operations, and David Lalonde, AYA's VP of Exploration, both of whom are AYA's qualified persons as defined under National Instrument 43101, Standards of Disclosure for Mineral Projects. I would also like to remind everyone that our presentation will be followed by a Q&A session. With that, I would now like to turn the call over to Benoit Lassin.
Elisabeth, thank you. Welcome everybody to this Q4 2025 presentation and full year 2025 as well. I would like to remind everybody, that's for AYA, the year 2025 is a ramp-up year. That's when we started after the commissioning, which was in December of 2024. we did the commissioning of the new plant and then we went into the ramp up here so obviously each quarter was saw some improvement and today we're pleased to report that the fourth quarter was an excellent quarter and that the year overall is is finishing very very strong so in the presentation that you have I would ask you to go to page four and you see here that we have record revenue record net income, and operating cash flow. So for the year 2025, our revenues are at $202 million, always reporting in U.S. dollars. So $202 million compared to $39 million for the previous year. Our net income stands at $46 million after tax and compared to a loss of $26 million in 2024. I also would like to point out that the $46 million is after more than $14 million of stock-based compensation, which is our three-year option program for senior management, which is being expensed. So when you look at it on an earnings-per-share basis, at $46 million after tax, it's an earnings-per-share of $33, $32 or $0.33 per share. But when you look at it before stock-based compensation, you need to add $0.10 to the earnings-per-share basis. The cash flow is very strong. We had a cash flow of operating cash flow of $72 million compared to $9 million negative on the previous year. So we have a very strong position. And we're ending the year with a cash balance unrestricted of $136 million. And to that, you need to include $16 million of restricted cash, which is in an account for EBRD just as part of our long-term $100 million loan that we've obtained from EBRD for the construction of Zgunde. So globally, a very strong Q4 and a very strong year, knowing that it's a ramp-up year. Moving to slide number five, which is where the KPIs are, which I've been telling you about, and how we manage, starting on the left-hand side on the mining tonnage. If you see in Q4, we've mined more ton than we've processed, which is a great sign, meaning that now the mine is putting through more ore than we need at the plant. Therefore, we are increasing our stockpiles. So you recall that in Q1, Q2, and Q3, we were processing more than we were mining. Now, in Q4, we are mining more than we're processing. If you look at it on a yearly basis, you can see that we mine a million ton and we process 1.1 million ton. So for the year, we did eat up a little bit of our Rumpad. But for the quarter, we have changed the trend, and we're now building Rumpad, which is excellent. The total mining came 62% from the open pit. You know our goal is to be 70-30. We're getting there. But for the year 2025, we are at 62% from the open pit. the milling rate which is in the middle on page five is you see the milling rate how interesting it is if you look at q4 of last year we were at a thousand two hundred ton a day you recall that historically we were at 700 ton a day we were just commissioning the new plant by the end of q1 we were at 2,800 ton a day, nameplate capacity. So it took one quarter and we were at nameplate capacity. And then you see Q2, we were at 3,000 ton a day. Q3, we were at 3,300. And now Q4, we're 3,800 ton a day average. So by one year of ramp up, we're 1,000 ton a day above the nameplate of 2,700. So it's about 40% higher than nameplate. Exceptional plant, very well built. And if you go to the right and you look at the recoveries and the availability, well, that tells you everything. So not only are we operating 40% above nameplate, is the recovery for the year is at 88.4%, but the recovery for Q4 is at 91%. Again, you recall that in Q1 2025, we had issues with the oxygen plant. The recoveries were in the low 80s. We told you we would fix that. It was under-designed during the construction and the planning. We corrected it, and now you have a recovery rate of 91.2 in Q4, which is exceptional. It's actually above the design when we did the feasibility study. Our average was supposed to be around 88, and now we're exceeding that by three to four points. Plant availability, you see it on the right-hand side of the slide, page five. Plant availability in Q4 is 99%. I don't think you can beat that. It's extremely high for the year we're at 96 percent obviously it's a brand new plant so we you know we're comfortable with this so but all in all what this is telling us is the plant is absolutely running well it was built you recall a little bit under budget we were we commissioned it on time we ramped it up in one year or in three quarters and now we're running above nameplate so it's a very robust plant that we have we produce in Q4 1 million 547 thousand ounces some of which came from boom as in because you know that boom as in we're processing stockpile so globally it was a very strong quarter going to page six I think that is the the summary of our industry on the left hand side you see it's all about now margin. It's all about margin. Q4, 2024, the margin was at the time, because we were in ramp-up, so in commissioning even, so the margins were very, very small. And then you see to Q1, we get into a margin of $13. Q2, we have, well, $13 margin. And then in Q3, the margin becomes almost $20. Now the margin is $38 in Q4, and the margin for Q1, because we're now done Q1, we know that the average realized price for the period of Q1 is more like $80. So we're about $20 above Q4. But that is everything. This is what our industry is all about right now, is the margin. So the margin is very high. It's something that helps us manage the mining, the grade, the cutoff, but also is showing us and is creating a lot of liquidity. So on the right-hand side of the slide, you see the revenue from Q1 at $34 million to all the way up to Q4 at $75 million. And that Q4 at $75 million is based on a net realized silver price of $58. So you can imagine that going forward, we are a believer in the silver price. I mean, it's just going to get better. If you look at the net income, Q1 in the ramp up, and I said that in the previous quarters, you know, how many times do you see net income in a ramp up period? So net income of $7 million in Q1, of $9 million in Q2, $12 million in Q3, and $18 million in Q4. So very strong Q4 again, and in Q4 with an earnings per share of $0.12, and for the year of $0.32. Again, and this is after $0.10 of stock-based compensation. So a very strong quarter. The plant's running well. The profitability is there. The margins are there. And we have enough cash. And that's what takes us to slide number seven is we have a very strong balance sheet with $136 million in cash. In Q4 of this year, we generated, before working caps, $68 million of cash flow before working cap changes, $68 million. For Q4, it was $35 million, so $68 million for the year, $35 million for the quarter. That pays for all of our expenses. So, you know, the CapEx, the capital expenditure for the year was $33 million. The expiration was $42 million. That's for 2025. Now, for 2026, capital and expiration are similar, a bit higher on expiration. But you can see that the cash flow generated covers more than the capital expenditure and the expiration expense. So, very strong year again. The cash position unrestricted is at 136. and we also have a little credit facility of $10 million available with EBRD. It's a $25 million. We did draw $15 on it just because we had it and we did not want the credit facility to end, but we still have $10 million readily available. So these are the results, but we're looking at the year 2025. So we just talked about the financial results. the operation, the fact that the mine is producing more than what the mill needs. So the mine's running well, the underground's running where we want it to be, the open pit is running where we want it to be, the open pit needs to increase a little bit, it's throughput but we're exceeding what we need at the plant. What we did as well in 2025 was a new resource, a reserve resource update at Segunda. So we reviewed the mine plan, we reviewed all the geological model, we've you know we've changed the mining approach going from selective very restrictive mining where we would take the high-grade zone and we went to more of a bulk mining scenario, and the reason is because Gunder is very unique geologically. It's not a vein system. You're not following a vein like most silver mines, where you mine what you see, and you mine the vein, and you have, most of the time, silver, a little bit of gold. Some have lead and zinc. Here, it's not the case. Here, the Gunder mine is a loaf of bread. it's 200 meter wide it's 1.4 kilometer long it's 700 meter deep and it's mineralized in there you have some structures where the fluids went by and those structures are extremely high grade but globally the envelope is mineralized so we've changed the approach we've reviewed what was there of course with the new silver price it's extremely important to understand the geology because we do not want to leave behind pockets of 100 gram per ton silver though they're not in the model or they were deemed to be non-economical four years ago today this is absolutely economical so what we have is we now mine the entire structure we have created stockpiles So a lower-grade stockpile between 40 and 80 grams, which is set aside for later. We have the regular stockpile, which we quantify. Of that, we have 250,000 tons on the regular stockpile, and we follow the mining based on our mine model. But what we are mining is not, again, not a vein, but really a mineralized loaf of bread, which is, you know, we've gone from selective mining to bulk mining. It makes a big difference. And you see it on page 9. So on page 9, you have the new mine plan. The new mine plan accounts for 6 million ounces of production per year for 11 years. It has an average cash cost for the period of $16.26, an ASIC of around $19. And if you look at the mine plan in the 43-101 document, you see that for 2026, we're forecasting in that mine plan 5.8 million ounces per year with a cash cost of around $21. And the reason is because of the strip, is we're at the beginning of the open pit. We have a lot of strip. Strip ratio is between 13 and 15. So we have a lot of strip. And hence, that increases the cash cost in the first few years. And it reduces, the cash cost will reduce in the later years as the strip is going to be coming down seriously. but so today's good there is it's done it's build is debug it's running smoothly it has its own team it's accountable and we know and it's predictable so it will be six million right now based on what we know in geology because of course we're always looking for more but with what we know it's six million ounces per year for 11 years with an all-in with a cash cost of 1626. Also this year, and going to page 10, this year being 2025, we've completed the PA on Boumadzin. Now that's been, you know, in the making for a couple of years. We've done a lot of drilling. We knew that this was a very robust project. And we did it on the 2024 resource, which was available at the beginning of 2025, and we did a very thorough PEA with a lot of the work done to higher than a PEA level. And what this is showing us, the highlight of the PEA is the low initial CapEx. That's the highlight of the PA, $446 million of CapEx to build a company or a project that will be producing per year, for the first five years, 400,000 ounces of gold equivalent or 37.5 million ounces of silver equivalent. Now, we're showing it to you on a one to five years because year six and after will be compensated by putting in the 2025 drill program, which was not put in at the time. And we are doing this as we speak. And that will be ready for the end of June, beginning of July. And that's going to change the mine plan. And it's going to change your production profile in the later years. But based on the 2024 results, we do have a project using $2,800 gold and $30 silver. You have a project on a pre-tax basis that gives us $2.2 billion of net present value. It's got a capex efficiency ratio of 5 to 1, capex to NPV, an internal rate of return of 69%, and a payback of 1.3 years. And that is using $2,800 gold and $30 silver. So you can imagine that at the current price and with the production that's going to be updated, this project is even more robust than what we're seeing. And all of that for year one to five, the ASIC on a gold equivalent production will be around $920. So where do you have that kind of a project that can produce 400,000 ounces of gold equivalent on an ASIC of low 900 and a CapEx of 446? Extremely unique, extremely rare in a great jurisdiction, and that's what Boumadzin is all about. So when we looked at Boumadzin on page 21, on page, sorry, 11, it's a district scale project with low initial capex, extremely rare, extremely unique. It has a strong production profile with high-grade material. The mining permit is in hand. Strong economic base on production of three marketable concentrates. Now that's very important, is you have a lead concentrate, you have a zinc concentrate, and then you have a pyrite concentrate. And And out of the three concentrate, we will recover silver or gold, silver, lead, and zinc. Now, the pyrite concentrate, which historically people thought was a problem, well, it's actually now an asset because following the war and following what's been happening in the Middle East, sulfur has gone from $100 a ton to $500 a ton and is expected to go as high as $800 dollar a ton. Sulfur comes from the pyrite concentrate because we have sulfur in the pyrite concentrate. So the value of our concentrate has never been as good as it is right now and is expected to continue. So historically when people were saying projects like that are complicated and all that, sure if you have low grade material it can be more complicated. But in this case with a project where on a silver equivalent basis, you're at 450 grams per ton, or on a gold equivalent basis, you're almost 5 grams per ton. You're in an open pit situation and underground, and you have 45% sulfur in your pyrite concentrate. This is really a valuable concentrate. So we're fast tracking this we're pushing now on the revised PA which to show you exactly how profitable this project is going to be once we've inputted the new resource reserve resource model and and some of the new data that we have especially on the marketing side of the concentrate again to close the year 2025 we did a lot of drilling as I always say I as an exploration company but it has you know one project in operation one project in development and we do a lot of drilling so I was going there this year we completed 28,000 meters of drilling the budget was 25,000 and and and the the average cost of meter is $144 so extremely good cost. This is all core drilling. It's all diamond drilling. It's giving us a lot of information. We have many new targets. We have discovered extension to the Zgunder main project, and we also have many new targets that we will be drilling this year. At Boumadzin, we've drilled 150,000 meters this year this year being 2025 the target was 140 we exceeded the the target our cost of drilling is also similar at 144 dollar a meter diamond drilling we have discovered or we have discovered extension to the zones the three mineral mineralized zones that we have and we've also discovered new zones in in the Boumadin complex you know Boumadin is a very large piece of land it's a district we have this year we've added 10 new permits we have a footprint that is in excess of 300 square kilometer under the exploration permit and we have an additional 500 kilometer under a reconnaissance permit which is an exploration permit, but not yet turned into the exploration permit that gets transferred into a mining permit. So it's different steps in how they approach exploration in Morocco. So we've had a fantastic year drilling almost 180,000 meters in 2025 with beautiful results at Zgunder and at Boumadine. Moving just to the guidance, this is already public. We told you that this year we expect to produce between 6.2 and 6.8. We know that in the mine plan at Zgunder, it's based for 5.8 million. Again, just to be conservative, we've given a guidance of 5.2 to 5.8, and we've put in 1 million ounces silver equivalent at Boumadine, where we're treating tailings. the cash cost as when there is asked for the mine plan again I would refer to you to the 43 101 document of 2150 and boom ad in is is a $10 that is extremely conservative you will see that in in Q4 we were a lot lower than this sustaining and growth capital for the year is that 36 million which is as Gunder mainly is to push the the ramp down to the granite to the contact of the granite where we see high-grade mineralization so we're going to be pushing this all the way down we will also be putting in an ore sorter and we are working on increasing throughput capacity though we are at 3,800 we're putting a little bit of work to bring our throughput capacity to exceed 4,000 ton per day so very reasonable capital to be spent this year and the exploration program of course the 60 million dollar in exploration program and that is mainly you know 200,000 meters at at Boumadine which we really hope to exceed and I have to say that as of now we are ahead of schedule there on our drilling and we will be drilling 20,000 meters as soon there as well so the going forward for 2026 that the guidance is straightforward and the costs are well under control as we are now and you know in cruising speed as good so just to close the what's the focus and and where are we going so the focus is to accelerate boom admin we do not need debt financing we don't need new equity financing we can do boom as in with our own cash we turn totally have 130 million in cash if everything stays where we are right now we could be generating net net of all expenses 200 million this year so we can fast track the feasibility study in which we are fast tracking feasibility study all the work that needs to be done every chapter in in the feasibility study is being worked on right now and we will start the the construction of every element that is completed in this feasibility study as quickly as possible the drilling as I've mentioned is ongoing at 180,000 meters of infill drilling on the main structures which is to convert inferred resource into measuring and indicated and the regional is really depending on what we see and what we find but currently budgeted at 20,000 meters but again this is completely open as we're drilling some very high priority targets on the Boumadzin regional play. At secondaire, we will continue to optimize mining operation. As I said, we want to increase the open pit a little bit more. We want to better control the grade in the open pit. We still need to work on that. Of all the KPIs, the only one left is to really control the grade in the open pit a little bit better. The underground is done. The throughput is done with the underground. so we will continue to optimize mining operation we have steady state production of course our goal is to take the 3,700 ton per day and push it up to 4,000 ton per day and we always look at other means to increase plant capacity so the story is very simple is you have an asset that's in production, that's built, that's debugged, that has 100 million ounces of measured and indicated resource, that will give you 6 million ounces a year at an ASIC of $19, let's put it, 16 cash costs plus about three. So let's say $20. So you have 6 million ounces with a $20 all-in cash cost, or costs, not cash, costs. and with that it generates enough money to build the second asset which is currently in development which is called boom as in imagine today stands at 450 million ounces of silver equivalent but that is being updated because that did not take into account the 2025 drill results that's being put in as we speak we'll have the revised PA available for you in in a couple of months but on page 15 to the right that to me is the future of AYA is you look at AYA and what kind of strength it has well it has a project that will produce 6 million ounces called Gunder and it has a second project which is discovered geology geology done metallurgy done flow sheet done water identified power from the grid people available we're taking the same construction team many suppliers are the same and that project once built will produce 37 million ounces per year of silver equivalent so as a company we will be approximately 43 million ounces silver equivalent as a company so when you look at this and you compare this level to others we're clearly the up-and-coming silver producer with the these two assets not taking into account their regional boom has been regional and the other assets that we have so going to page 16 to close is I always say that to be successful you need three things and these are the three the end of each of the triangle is you need geology, which we have in Morocco. You need jurisdiction, which we have in Morocco, because it is absolutely one of the best jurisdictions in the world. And you need the people that have done it, that have built mines, have developed mines, have made discoveries, and we have that. So if you have geology, you have jurisdiction, you have people and you are disciplined in not issuing too many shares this is the success to have the best return on equity meaning you have strong production and we have here so if you look at our triangle geologies at the top strong growth profile absolutely moving from 6 million ounces to 43 million ounces of silver equivalent core asset strength we have two districts and we're adding more districts to the story as we're putting in more permits expiration track record I think we have the best in the industry having discovered 550 million ounces of silver equivalent in the last five years so you have a tight capital structure with only 141 million shares outstanding No need to increase that number. We have cash in the bank. We're generating cash, and we're building a Tier 1 asset, which is Boumadine, that will add 37 million ounces of silver equivalent as soon as it's ready to get into production. So when you look at this triangle, this is why you want to be with us in AYA, because you have the three elements that really create success so this completes the formal part of the presentation I will now operator open it up for questions thank you to ask a question please press star 1 1 on your telephone and wait for your name to be announced to withdraw your question please press star 1 1 again please stand by while we compile the Q&A roster and our first
question comes from the line of Justin Chan of SCP Resource Finance. Please go ahead.
Hi, Benoit, Raphael, Hugo, and team. Congrats on a big year. And yeah, my first question is just, you touched on sulfur today. I was just curious, I guess, maybe both on both the positive and negative aspects of current events. Can you talk us through, are you seeing any changes in terms of fuel pricing, and I guess how do you plan ahead for that this year? And then on sulfur, for the updated PEA, could you give us a sense of how the payabilities might look? I realize today's terms might not be what you've modeled long-term, but I'm just curious if you can kind of give us a quantum on the payabilities from the prior PEA.
Yeah, thanks, Justin. It's a very, very good question and very current question. and we're on that on a regular basis. I'll turn this over to Hugo, and Hugo and Ralf are managing that part, you can imagine, of the PEA. So Hugo, do you want to go ahead?
Yeah, so on sulfur, there's a few things. Obviously, sulfur pricing has gone from, I call it $150 when we did our PEA to close to $700 today. And also gold and silver prices have significantly increased since our PEA. The second thing is that because we're selling our tailing, we also have a much better idea of the market. We actually have some guys in China right now meeting with some of our clients. And so we expect that the payabilities that we have in our PEA to go up pretty substantially. Will we get paid for sulfur? I don't think we're going to have that as a base case in our update. But we are looking at some stuff in Morocco. We do have one of the largest purchases of sulfur in the world in the OCP. And with current price environments, obviously, us exporting a pirate, which is very high sulfur content, I think they'd like to have some of that. So we're looking at that as well. But I think that's going to be a kind of a separate thing from the main project.
But Justin, just in the PEA, the payability was established at 73%. Since then, they had revised their offer to 75% payability, and there's no long-term agreement yet signed because they're indicating to us that this will also improve, as Hugo said, considerably. So we're keeping all of the options open. We have an agreement that is signed for the Bumadzin tailings because that is being exported every quarter right now to the probably similar clients or the same clients that we're going to have for the Bumadzin main production in a couple of years. Is that the answer?
Yeah, so above 75 and potentially materially above that? exactly yes okay perfect and yeah just maybe the other part of the question was just in terms of um i guess what are you guys seeing in terms of fuel prices consumables i'd imagine where you are it's not a question of availability but just curious how you guys if you have any if you have anything to manage with regards to price and you know protecting yourselves i guess in the long term yeah so on that look for sure what's happening right now is affecting fuel prices everywhere morocco is not special uh morocco's fuel prices have gone up uh basically 30 cents in the last
it's by law so the law states the fuel prices and so they've gone up they've gone up pretty substantially um so we have that we have zinc uh and we have cyanide those are our three main aspects our procurement teams are on it um we we have quite a bit of of cyanide and and zinc on site already so I think on that we're quite fine and then fuel we have to manage and it's not so much a price it's obviously gonna affect cash costs like everybody else and then on availability we're keeping a close eye on it and we're working with our contractors and ourselves to see if we can get more storage locally and we have a pretty healthy stockpile as well so even if
ever we'd have to stop the mine we are we don't run we run our our plant on electricity and so we can still run for a good while even if we had if there was never a constraint on fuel yeah Justin the big element here is our energy is from the grid it's solar and wind as we know and and unlike many other production assets in Africa where they have to buy fuels for energy we do not have to buy fuel for energy so our consumption is actually quite low when I compare that to what we were doing historically at semifo and what we're buying right now in in ayah it's much much lower so the uh the risk exporter is is quite it's much smaller and uh
as you go said we we have stockpiled but but we don't see any issues at the moment except for a small increase in the price gotcha thanks no that's that's really helpful and just just one last one is um we're almost through the first quarter now i i know it's q4 reporting but um I'm just curious, I guess, with almost done a quarter, I'm just curious what you're seeing in terms of mining from the open pit and underground. So in Q4, you did really well and great from the underground, good on volume. The open pit had a ton of volume, a little bit lower grade. I'm just curious if Q1 looks similar to Q4 or quite different, actually.
Well, Ralph, do you want to take this question?
Yes. Hi, Justin. So the beginning of the year went quite well. We have continued to increase our stockpile, we have continued to increase our mining rate in the open pit. As I've mentioned before, with what we call the super pit and our change in mining strategy, everything is focused on ounce recovery to increase the recovery in the mine of silver, especially in this pricing environment. So this is what the team is focusing on. Continue to accelerate the open pit, sustain the underground as it is, and focus on ore recovery. So if there's silver in it, we mine it. The head grade has been stable as of what we've seen last year. And we continue to evaluate what's the best way, the most cost effective and the fastest way to increase and to sustain plant throughput. So this year, we have several projects on the go to sustain throughput and to even increase it further. And that's reflected in our guidance. Now, as for the grade, as you said, Q1 is almost over. And it's been quite similar, but the strip is slowly decreasing, throughput is stabilizing, and we continue to increase our stockpile. And as the year goes on, we will also continue to at least sustain the throughput and find ways to improve it.
Okay, thanks. That's really helpful. Thanks, Justin. All right, thanks, guys. I'll figure it out. Thank you very much.
Thank you. And as a reminder, if you have a question, please press star one one. And our next question comes from Don DeMarco of National Bank. Your line is open.
Good morning, Benoit and team. Thanks for taking my call. So, Benoit, you mentioned that a focus is to accelerate Bumadine. And, of course, we're looking forward to the updated PEA later this year. But what are the levers or potential bottlenecks that you have to fast track the FS and then even looking at the construction beyond that? How can you potentially expedite that and how much wiggle room is there in a schedule in certain optimal scenarios?
Well, the fact that you don't need debt is major because, as you know, if we needed some debt, you'd have to complete the feasibility study, give it to the lenders. They would hire outside consultants that would come over for a couple of months, review the work, question the work. We'd have to answer your lot. You're looking at six to nine months of time that is needed just to put the debt facility in place, as we did with when we did there with EBRD. And, you know, we went through a whole process. In this case, assuming the silver price stays where it is and is or increasing, we don't need that. So the team is doing, like, let's take water. So water, we're putting together the strategy where the water is coming from. We probably will have to build some pipelines in between some of the villages where we're going to take gray water. We're also going to use one of the aquifer. So we, as soon as that's done, the team will look at what can be done immediately and we will start that right now. Same thing for power. Power will come from the grid. Power is built, as you know, with the National Utility Company. We're not going to wait for a banker to accept the PEA and give us the depth. We will get going immediately. So every chapter that we do, we look at what we can do and how fast we can do it. So it's, you know, of course, it's not as nice as having a Gantt chart and you say, we'll be ready by the mid-2027 and then we'll do the debt financing and then we'll do the construction. Our mind is let's get this done as quickly as possible. So we, you know, we are not cutting corners on technical things. We're not cutting corners on the flow sheet because it's still a 8,000 slash 10,000 ton per day flotation plant. So not complicated, but you still have to build it. So we're not cutting corners. But clearly, the fact that you don't need equity or debt will accelerate the construction of this project.
Okay. Yeah, that's a good point. And on the debt, I mean, you've got a little bit of debt on your balance sheet right now. And looking at the cash flows that are coming in, are you thinking that maybe you might delever some of that ahead of, you know, as the FF gets finalized and ahead of the Boumedine construction decision?
Yes, absolutely. So the debt, as you know, is with EBRD. They're very, very good financial partners. They've been great. They are important in the country. We don't want to pay them down. And if we have even small penalties to pay, which we do have, that's pretty agreement. So we're looking at what we can do with them. On the other hand, the fact that it's a repayment over four years allows us – we think of the CBRD facility today as funding for Boumadin. We could pay it down almost today if we wanted to and be done with the debt, but we're also keeping it there while we see where the silver price goes, what's the cash flow per quarter, because think of it as being utilized. whatever is generated is utilized on accelerating boom adin so but we do have the flexibility and yes you will see over the next quarters and next year that the debt will be lower knowing that if we wanted to at one point in time in in country we could utilize gun there to uh to to to you know if we needed some debt which we don't but if we need need some debt there could be also So the backbone of a special financing, you know, balance sheet financing, not project finance.
Okay, excellent color there. Thank you. And then just finally, the last question, what are your thoughts on M&A at this stage? I mean, I think over time there's been some discussion about there might be some smaller opportunities in Morocco, whatever stage that might be, maybe even close to production. But is that part of your strategy going forward over the next few years, or is it more singularly focused on Boumeddin?
No, it is. And we do review opportunities all the time, but we're extremely, extremely disciplined. So we have something fantastic, two districts, Zgunder and Boumeddin. Often people say, what about, what after Boumeddin? And I say, well, there'll be boom ads in two, boom ads in three, boom ads in four, because of the size of the district. So there's a lot to come. And we do look at things. And if we don't like the price, because they're asking too much and we don't think it's justified, we are extremely disciplined. You're not going to see anything outside of Morocco. We have a lot of work to do. We have a lot of potential in Morocco. So we're staying focused to this jurisdiction. We like it. We're comfortable. We have our team there. And so we are disciplined. Are we looking to buy in Morocco? Absolutely. But very small transactions, that's not going to affect really, and most of that is not for share. Most of it is also for, you know, small cash payments and payment over time. So, yes, we are looking to increase the portfolio. We do want to have a third and maybe a fourth district, but I'm quite comfortable that something's going to get done in 2026.
Okay. Thank you very much. Congratulations and good luck with Q1. Thank you. Thanks, Don.
Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, that concludes our Q&A period. I'd now like to turn the call back over to Benoit for closing remarks.
Thank you, operator. Thanks, everybody, for being on the call today. Look, Q1 is done. It's done today. So what's coming for AYA in the coming few quarters is you will still see some Zgunder and Boumadin drill results. We have a very large program at Secondaire and an extremely large program at Boumadin, so you will see drill results on a regular basis. You will see, of course, our Q1 financial results mid-May. I believe May the 15th will be issuing our Q1 financial results. Also, we didn't talk about this yet, but we are completing our U.S. listing. We were waiting to have our financial statements for the year 2025. Those are going to be filed with the NASDAQ Stock Exchange, and hopefully in a couple of weeks, we'll be able to announce that we will start trading on the NASDAQ in the States. Coming is the Boumadzin Technical Report, as we said, over the summer. As soon as we have that available, we will be putting this out to show you the strength of this Tier 1 asset. And as Don asked, for 2026, there's going to be an in-country consolidation of new districts that we like, that we see, and we believe that there's a silver component to it. Some may have silver gold. Others that we look at are silver copper. But we definitely are looking to increase our land package with silver exposure. So, look, that is the end of this call. I believe we had a very good year, 2025. The ramp-up is a ramp-up. It ended very, very well. We had a strong performance. We're getting into 2026 with a very strong view on silver, and we're very happy with our new mining method, where we go bulk mining, because we believe that bulk mining silver is extremely rare, but it's also very appropriate when you have a strong silver price. Thank you all of you for being there. We will see you in 45 days in May for the Q1 financial results. Thank you and have a good day.
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