Good afternoon. Thank you for attending the Traeger fourth quarter and full year 2024 earnings conference call. My name is Cameron and I'll be your moderator for today. All lines will be muted during the presentation portion of the call with an opportunity for questions and answers at the end. If you would like to ask a question, please press star one on your telephone keypad. And I would now like to pass the conference over to your host, Nick Backus, Vice President of Investor Relations with Traeger. May we see you.

Good afternoon, everyone. Thank you for joining Traeger's call to discuss its fourth quarter 2024 results, which were released this afternoon and can be found on our website at investors.traeger.com. I'm Nick Backus, Vice President of Investor Relations at Traeger. With me on the call today are Jeremy Andrus, our Chief Executive Officer, and Don Blossel, our Chief Financial Officer. Before we get started, I want to remind everyone that managers' remarks on this call may contain certain forward-looking statements within the meaning of the safe harbor provisions of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. These statements are based on current expectations of the use of future events, including, but not limited to, outlook as to our anticipated first quarter 2025 and full year 2025 results. Such statements are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those expressed or implied herein. I encourage you to review our annual report on Form 10-K for the year ended December 31, 2024, once filed, and our other filings for a discussion of these factors and the uncertainties, which are available on the investor relations portion of our website. We should not take under-reliance on these forward-looking statements, which we speak to only as of today. We undertake no obligation to update or revise them for any new information. This call also contains certain non-GAAP financial measures, including adjusted EBITDA, adjusted net income or loss, adjusted net income or loss per share, adjusted EBITDA margin, and net debt, which we believe are useful supplemental measures. The most comparable GAAP financial measures and reconciliation of the non-GAAP measures contained herein to such GAAP measures are included in our earnings release and investor presentation, which are available on the investor relation portions of our website at investors.trager.com. Please note that our definition of these measures may differ from similarly titled metrics presented by other companies. Now, I'd like to turn the call over to Jeremy Andrus, Chief Executive Officer of Trager. Jeremy?

Thanks, Nick, and good afternoon, everyone. I'll start today's call with an overview of our fourth quarter and a recap of 2024, and then we'll discuss our outlook for 2025 before turning the call over to Dom. I'm pleased with our solid finish to the year in the fourth quarter. From a revenue perspective, we delivered 3% growth in the quarter, with particular strength in our grills business, which was up 30% as compared to the fourth quarter of last year, and our consumables business, which was up 25% compared to last year. We continue to see strong margin gains in the quarter, with gross margin up 410 basis points compared to the prior year. This resulted in fourth quarter adjusted EBITDA of $18 million, up 41% from the fourth quarter in 2023, putting us above the high end of our adjusted EBITDA guidance for the year. Our fourth quarter capped off a solid year for our company. Despite ongoing challenges in the macroeconomic backdrop, results for the year ended significantly better than we initially guided to. Importantly, we saw an inflection in our grill business in 2024, with grill revenues up 8% for the year, substantially better than our outlook coming into the year. This was driven by strong consumer reception of our strategy to lean into promotions and peak selling periods, which contributed to market share gains. Notably, we were able to employ this strategy and drive sell-through while meaningfully growing our gross margin. Our initiatives to drive efficiencies in our supply chain and to improve our margin structure, in addition to lower transportation costs, drove a 540 basis point improvement in our gross margin for the year. This resulted in adjusted EBITDA growth of 34% in fiscal 2024. During the year, we also made significant progress on key strategic initiatives and our long-term growth pillars. This includes driving our brand awareness, which continues to grow. With our household penetration at just 3.6%, growing our market share is our largest long-term opportunity. In 2024, we made progress in this area as we gained share in our grills business. During the fourth quarter, the energy around the Traeger brand continued to build. We leaned into social media, brand ambassador, and influencer content, which remain key platforms for us to engage our audience. Our brand activation strategy in the fourth quarter centered around holiday-themed content, including a video featuring barbecue influencer Matt Pittman on the perfect holiday prime rib, cooked on the Traeger, and, of course, content on smoking a Traeger for Thanksgiving. Traeger leads the outdoor cooking industry and follower count across social channels and our audience continues to expand. This is particularly true for YouTube, where our recent launch of Traeger Kitchen, our weekly cooking series featuring chefs and pitmasters cooking on the Traeger, drove more than 50% subscriber growth in the fourth quarter. We also leaned into strategic partnerships in the culinary space as a brand activation strategy. This includes a collaboration with Maiden for a limited-release-enabled cast-iron brazier in the fourth quarter. We also partnered with Bullet Frontier Whiskey for a holiday collaboration, including a two-part video series that paired chefs and bartenders to craft the perfect holiday menu featuring food cooked on the Traeger as well as flavorful cocktails using Bullet Whiskey. Aligning ourselves with on-trend brands like Maiden and Bullet is a cost-effective way to increase awareness of Traeger with new audiences to drive buzz around the brand. From an innovation perspective, we officially launched our new Woodridge series of wood pellet grills shortly after the end of the year on january 16th and began to ship product to our retailers in the fourth quarter the woodridge series of grills features some of our latest technological innovations and offers enhanced features at approachable price points enhancements include an easy clean grease and ash keg which collects drippings and pellet ash more cooking space and our free flow fire pot which creates more airflow beneath the pellets generating more smoke for a deeper richer flavor the development and launch of the woodridge series was a cross functional effort across many parts of the trader organization i believe that this was the best launch in our history from product development to manufacturing to our go-to-market strategy every step of the Woodridge launch was executed at a high level. One area of note is product testing. We conducted more testing for the Woodridge than we ever have for any product launch and logged over 10,000 hours of cooking before the launch to ensure the highest quality experience for users. From a brand engagement perspective, the launch garnered significant attention and brought a ton of energy to Traeger, generating more than 1.2 billion impressions and record-breaking engagement across social channels. We also engaged and invested in retail training to support our retail partners like Ace Hardware and Home Depot. We've invested in on-site regional training focused on the new Woodridge series, as well as other key selling techniques to educate store associates. as the more they know about Traeger and the Woodridge line, the more they will sell. Early reads on sell-through for Woodridge have been strong, and we are encouraged by the consumer reception thus far. In the fourth quarter, Grills' revenues increased by 30% to the prior year as we benefited from the initial load-in of Woodridge and improved sell-through at retail. Grill performance was better than expected, and underlying sell-through of grills was positive in the quarter. We saw particular strength during our holiday promotional period. In fact, Black Friday 2024 was one of the biggest sell-through days in our history. As we have noted on prior calls, we are seeing outperformance in our lower price point grills. We believe this confirms that there is a significant demand for Traeger product at approachable price points. In 2025, we'll be focused on boots-on-the-ground sales activation efforts to drive consumer education and conversion at retail. A great example of this is our Roadshow program at Costco. Traeger's Roadshow program brings our wood-fired grills directly to Costco members. Traeger brand ambassadors set up product demonstrations in Costco warehouses to educate and sell grills to members on a consignment basis around the country. Our brand ambassadors are well-trained advocates of Traeger and engage with a high number of Costco members on a daily basis, significantly driving brand awareness in the area. This program was an early growth driver of the Traeger brand, and we are planning to more than double the number of roadshows we do in 2025. Moving on to consumables. We had some exciting developments in our consumables business in the fourth quarter, and growth was strong, up 25%. This growth was driven by increased replenishment as both our core flavors of pellets and seasonal offering, Turkey Blend Pellets, saw healthy sell-through during the quarter. Additionally, in the fourth quarter, we launched new distribution of pellets and rubs into select doors at Walmart, a new retail partner for Traeger. For the last several years, we have been focused on increasing distribution of Traeger pellets and food consumables into the grocery channel. We believe that Traeger consumers want to be able to purchase their pellets not only where they bought their grill, but also at the grocery store where they shop on a weekly basis. Walmart, therefore, is an incredible partner to meet this need for our consumers. We began loading pellets and rubs into Walmart in December and are excited to offer a new channel for our consumers to purchase Traeger consumables. Critically, our consumer research indicates that the Walmart shopper has little overlap with their existing distribution channels with respect to their pellet purchases, and therefore, we think this is an incremental market share opportunity. Let's turn to our accessories business. Our accessories revenue in the fourth quarter were pressured by a decline at meter. Last quarter, we discussed meter's underperformance and our expectations for sequential improvement in the fourth quarter, which is meter's most important quarter while we did see some level of improvement in the rate of decline as compared to the third quarter fourth quarter results were lower than expected we believe there are several drivers of the underperformance at meter as we spoke to on our last call after having made a decision to pull back and marketing spend at meter earlier in 2024 we re-accelerated marketing spend in the fourth quarter. Ultimately, we didn't experience the lift in demand we were expecting from the incremental marketing spend in Q4, and return on advertising spend was lower than expected. We believe that the reduced efficiency of our demand creation was driven by heightened competition in the meat probe space, as well as higher cost of advertising in the fourth quarter related to the election. We also believe that growth in the meat thermometer category slowed in 2024 after seeing several years of strong gains, contributing to a tougher demand backdrop for meter. We have strategic plans in place to improve meter. This includes optimizing the balance of demand creation spend in ROAS, changing leadership of several key functions at the organization and reconfiguring our long-term product roadmap. Furthermore, we continue to view retail distribution as a large opportunity for Meter and have put resources behind our efforts to expand this channel. Notably, we recently launched distribution at select Walmart stores and expect to see additional distribution wins going forward. While we expect these strategic changes to drive improvement in METER's performance in 2025, we are planning for continued softness during this year, as we believe the benefits from these efforts will take time to bear fruit. We do, however, continue to feel confident in METER's brand positioning as a leader in the wireless meat thermometer category. In terms of our fiscal 2025 outlook, Dom will provide more details, but let me give some high-level thoughts. For the year, we are guiding to revenues of $595 to $615 million, or approximately down 2% to up 2%, an adjusted EBITDA of $75 to $85 million. Our top-line outlook anticipates growth in our grills and consumables categories, offset by a decline in our accessories category, driven by an expected decline in meter. With respect to tariffs, our current guidance does not build in the impact nor offsetting mitigation of recently enacted tariffs or any future tariffs. This is because trade policy is a highly dynamic topic and there is significant uncertainty around how exactly policy evolves and how tariffs will impact our industry and the U.S. consumer more broadly. With approximately 50% of our sales driven by goods imported to the U.S. from China, our organization has been analyzing news on trade policy and has been working aggressively on strategies to offset the potential impact of tariffs for some time. Our ongoing mitigation strategies include supply chain efficiencies and savings, negotiations with our contract manufacturers, and potential price increases. We are taking a proactive approach to mitigating tariffs, and our strategies will continue to evolve as there is more clarity in this fast-changing environment. It's important to note that nearly all of our consumables are manufactured in the United States, and the majority of our accessories are not sourced from China. Also, I want to emphasize that we have an extremely experienced and talented set of teams across supply chain, finance, and other functions, as well as great relationships with our vendors and retail partners, which will be strong advantages in this uncertain environment. Overall, despite an uncertain macro backdrop, my confidence in Traeger has never been higher. Indicators of our brand health remain very strong. We gained share in 2024 and consumer demand for our grills exceeded our expectations. We continue to have an industry-leading NPS score with a highly evangelical base of consumers. Moreover, the investments we have made into our product development engine position us for continued innovation in the years to come. We have driven efficiencies across our cost and margin structure, and we are well positioned for a strong flow through when industry demand becomes more robust. I'd like to thank everyone on the Traeger team for their hard work and contributions to the business. Lastly, as announced in our press release, Dom Blaisel has decided to transition out of his role as CFO. Dom has been an incredible partner over the last 11 years, and I want to thank him for his many contributions. He will remain CFO through our first quarter 10-2 filing, after which Joey Hoard, our current SVP of Finance and Strategy, will step into the role as part of a planned succession. We're excited to welcome Joey to the executive team. With that said, I'll turn it over to Dom. Dom? Thank you, Jeremy. I look forward

to supporting a smooth transition. It's been a privilege to work alongside you and the incredible Traeger team over the last 11 years. I'm extremely proud of all we've accomplished together. Traeger is a special brand with an exciting future ahead. Moving to our financial results for 2024. I'm pleased with both our fourth quarter results and how Traeger performed throughout 2024. We exceeded our adjusted EVO.Guidance for the year despite persistent meter challenges. In addition, our efforts over the past three years to improve profitability and strengthen the balance sheet have resulted in significant gross margin expansion, strong EBITDA growth, and sequentially lower balance sheet leverage as compared to 2023. I believe these efforts position the company to capitalize on an eventual industry recovery and unlock capacity to invest in initiatives that will catalyze future growth. For fiscal year 2024, gross margins expanded by 540 basis points, and adjusted EBITDA grew by 34% and ended 23% above the midpoint of our original guidance. Shifting to our fourth quarter results, fourth quarter revenues grew 3% to $169 million. dollars grill revenues were 78 million dollars up 30 percent year over year driven by strong sell-through during the holiday promotional period improved replenishment sales and load in of our new woodridge series consumables revenues increased 25 percent to 31 million supported by strong replenishment due to higher sell-through and new distribution at walmart accessory revenues declined 24 percent to 60 million dollars as negative sales growth at meter was partially offset by increased sales of Traeger branded accessories by geography North America revenues increased 11 percent while rest of world revenues declined by 39 percent fourth quarter gross margin was 40.9 percent up 410 basis points year over year the key drivers of margin expansion included supply chain cost favorability of 360 basis points warranty expense improvements of 110 basis points improved dilution of 90 basis points and other benefits of 20 basis points these were partially offset by unfavorable product mix of 170 70 basis points sales and marketing expenses were 34 million dollars up from 33 million dollars in q4 2023 primarily due to higher employee costs general and administrative expenses were 27 million compared to 26 million dollars in q4 2023 given by higher professional service fees partially offset by lower stock-based compensation net loss for the quarter was seven million dollars compared to a net loss of 24 million dollars in q4 2023 net loss per diluted share was five cents compared to a loss of 19 cents in q4 2023 adjusted net income was two million dollars or one cent per diluted share compared to an adjusted net loss of nine million dollars or eight cents per diluted share in q4 2023 adjusted ebitda grew 41 to 18 million dollars up from $13 million in the fourth quarter of 2023. Turning to our balance sheet and liquidity, we ended the year with $15 million in cash and cash equivalents compared to $30 million at the end of 2023. We ended the year with $409 million in short and long-term debt. Total net debt declined by $9 million year-over-year to $394 million. Cash flow generation remained strong, with cash flow from operations totaling $24 million, inclusive of a $15 million impact from a change in contingent consideration related to the meter acquisition. From the liquidity standpoint, we ended the quarter with total liquidity of $165 million. Inventory at the end of the fourth quarter is $107 million, up from $96 million a year ago. we believe inventory levels are appropriately positioned on the balance sheet and in channel to meet current demand expectations i will now review our outlook for 2025. as jeremy mentioned our fiscal year 2025 guidance does not incorporate the impact of recently implemented or proposed tariffs for fiscal year 2025 we are guiding to revenues of 595 to 615 million dollars representing a range from down 2% to up 2% versus fiscal year 2024, and adjusted EBITDA of $75 to $85 million. Several key factors are shaping our revenue outlook. First, we expect low single-digit growth in grill revenues, balancing optimism around our brand and innovation pipeline against an uncertain macroeconomic environment and tough year-over-year comparisons second consumables revenues are expected to grow supported by recent distribution gains and third we anticipate continued pressure on accessories revenues connected to the forecasted performance of meter while we have strategic initiatives in place we are taking a prudent approach given recent trends on margins we project gross margin in the range of 42.2 percent to 42.8 percent with potential movement of down 10 basis points to up 50 basis points compared to fiscal year 2024 benefits from supply chain efficiencies and improved pellet margins will likely be partially offset by a shift toward lower margin grills from an operating expense perspective we anticipate a step up in employee related cash compensation of approximately $7 million in fiscal year 2025. This increase stems from a shift in our compensation structure, moving a greater portion of incentive compensation from equity-based to cash performance bonuses for certain employees. While overall compensation expense remains relatively unchanged, this shift negatively impacts adjusted EBITDA. However, we believe this realignment better reflects market practices and strengthens team incentives. While we are not providing specific first quarter guidance today, we anticipate a year over year decline in revenues and adjusted EBITDA in the quarter. In closing, we made meaningful progress in 2024, highlighted by a positive inflection in grill revenues, gross margin improvement, and strong adjusted EBITDA growth. while we are cognizant of an uncertain economic environment in 2025 we believe we have positioned a business for long-term profitable and sustainable growth the underlying drivers of value creation remain in place and we are confident in our strategic direction with that i will turn it

over to the operator operator thank you we will now begin the question and answer session if you If for any reason you would like to remove that question, please press star followed by two. Again, to ask a question, press star one. And as a reminder, if you are using your phone, please remember to pick up your handset before asking a question. We will pause here briefly as questions are registered. The first question is from the line of Hannah Glaston with E. Riley. May proceed.

Hey, good afternoon. Thanks for taking my questions. I'd like to start with the accessories business, you know, fully understand you guys are embedding a bit of softness here in 2025. I'd like to expand a bit on is do you expect there to be an inflection at any point in the year? Or would that be upside to guidance? Any thoughts there would be great.

It's a good question. I mean, at this point, we aren't providing detail quarterly on our guidance, and certainly we wouldn't provide that on a category basis. I think that the general theme is that, you know, we're conservatively forecasting meter under the current circumstances and kind of based on how the business performed in Q4 in particular, which is their biggest quarter. I think I've reaffirmed that our confidence in the brand, in the disruptive product that they sell, as well as their leadership position in the space reinforces our conviction and our ability to pull levers over time and sort of course correct on what we're seeing in this softness. in addition to the fact that we have levers that currently remain to be either unlocked or exploited by way of retail expansion, for example, as we think about a growing opportunity to drive what is currently a highly D2C business into retail. So there are certainly opportunities ahead, but as of today, we believe it's prudent to manage our guidance with a degree of conservatism around on the trends that we're seeing in meter.

Got it, and you noted one point of impact was elevated advertising spend around the election impacting 4Q. Have you seen a normalization of return on ad spend as we've moved away from the election in 1Q?

I mean, I think at a macro level, that's right. Unfortunately, the proof points in Q1 for meter aren't indicative of the future in part because as we've talked about in the past, they deliver 50% or more of their revenues in Q4. So any insights we may gather in Q1, especially around like advertising spend and ROAS may not be the best proxy for Q4. And so certainly we'll take those learnings over the next couple of quarters to inform updates to how we think about the year for meter but as of right now it's just a little bit early to suggest anything other than what we

are planning in the business got it and then just one more if i could um the commentary around 1q uh is the decline largely related to expectations around meter or um is that reflective of declines

in the other segments as well no it's it's it's it's reflective of of multiple um you know segments I think in part because as we consider the sort of impact on demand as a result of tariffs, the pacing related to that and kind of the revenue recognition associated with that pacing is going to create some challenges in, you know, predicting quarter to quarter, you know, how the year sequences. And so what we are sort of sticking to right now from a guidance standpoint is, you know, we believe it's prudent to, you know, consider Q1 down on top line as well as EBITDA. And then we're just not in a position to share kind of sequencing across quarters for the year, just given the uncertainty in how, you know, tariffs will sort of influence the pacing between quarters.

Got it. Thanks, guys.

Thank you. The next question is from the line of Brian McNamara with Anacor Genuity. You may proceed.

Hey, good afternoon, guys. Thanks for taking the questions. I guess first off, I'm curious your view on the overall grill market in 2025. We've had three straight years of material decline. So kind of what's your expectation for the industry overall? You've taken share the last couple of years. And Jeremy, if you could just remind us where we are today, or I left it at the 2019 levels. I think we're like 20% below, but just refresh my memory, please.

So first of all, as we think about the last three years, pace of decline from 2022 until last year, it certainly appears that we have found bottom. 22 was an aggressive sort of mid-high teens decline, you know, high single digits in 23. And then last year, we believe that the industry was flat to slightly up. Our expectation for this year has been that grills will grow modestly flat to up 1% to 2%. You know, of course, that was a, that forecast is many days old now. And so, you know, there are, it's going to take some time to understand the impact of tariffs on this industry. You know, our expectation is that we will see price increases. And I think whereas we should be getting into a more normalized replacement cycle for grills, just given the massive of replacement since the pandemic and the units that were pulled forward, we would expect to see some modest growth. Well, of course, we're doing business in a highly dynamic environment and we're tracking it. I think it's important to note that Traeger did gain share in 24. We had a nice acceleration, notably from a unit volume perspective during the promotional period. But I'd say especially in the fourth quarter, I highlight in my comments that Black Friday was one of the highest volume sales days in the Traeger brand history. And so in terms of relative to 2019, we still believe we're down somewhat meaningfully from 2019. And we believe over the next, you know, sort of 12 to 12 to 36 months that the industry grows, begins to catch up with pre-pandemic levels. And, of course, there's a macro backdrop that we're also being sensitive to as well.

Great. That's helpful. Secondly, you guys have a lot of success with the Pro Series 22 last year. That's kind of that sub $400 price point when it was on promotion. I'm curious, how are you going to attack that lower price point in 2025 that served you so well? I mean, I know the Woodridge looks like a great product, but it's definitely at that kind of higher price point. So I'm curious your thoughts there. Thanks.

Yeah. So Woodridge, you know, it certainly hits a price point, a premium but accessible price point. We think it's very well positioned in the market from a value perspective. We did, you know, we learned a lot about price point and access to a broader segment of consumers as we promoted the Pro 22 three times last year at $389. You know, we had just an incredible response. It was, you know, it was a supply chain feat between our team and our retail partners to keep up with the man. But no question, the sub $500, the appetite for our brand beneath $500 was meaningful. And, you know, we have the ability to not only anniversary that this year, but to, you know, to ensure that we are fully, fully in stock with our retailers. And, you know, we feel good about, I think it really spoke to not only the demand for the brand, but it spoke to the position of the brand where we promoted sub $500. And there was a clear step function in volume in that price point. So we feel good about the learnings and we expect to continue that this year. And in the meantime, we also, you know, I think if you compare the Pro-22 to the Woodridge, I think it allows us to access different customers. Very, very clear step-up or step-up story or trade-up story between the Pro-22 at $499 and the Woodridge, which is currently priced between $799 and $1599.

Great. And if I could just squeeze one last one in, did you guys build any, I know inventories are up, you know, a decent amount in Q4. Or did you build any inventory ahead of like the inauguration kind of anticipation of tariffs given your China sourcing exposure?

No, I mean, what I would say is in Q1, we've been focused on bringing in as much inventory as possible ahead of anticipatory tariffs. The increase in inventory at the end of the year is really tied more to the Woodwich launch and the fact that there's continued load in taking place ahead of peak season, which is just normal seasonal sort of inventory moves within this business. As you think about launching new innovation, I think the overarching theme here is inventory levels on our balance sheet and in channel continue to be well balanced. and, you know, we feel confident in those levels. And you also have to consider, you know, how much drawdown there's been over the last handful of years. And we're sort of back into a normal working capital cycle where you invest in sort of drawdown over the course of a season, but within a range we're now sort of comfortable with. So you look at DIIs, for example, they fit within kind of our normal plan and they're in a good spot.

Great. Thank you very much.

The next question is from the line of Peter Benedict with Baird. You may proceed.

Hey, guys, this is Zach back on for Peter. Thanks for taking our question, and best wishes, Dom. Curious if you guys can quantify the benefit to Q4 grill revenue from the load-in of those Woodridge grills. And then just on the strength you guys are seeing during some of the holiday sale periods, it's been a couple quarters now, any changes to how you guys think about promotions either in 25 or longer term yeah so I don't know

if we can quantify specifically what the load-in was I think what I can say is that it's not just Woodridge Woodridge load-in you know we did build in some of this coming out of Q4 knowing that we would be delivering on our Woodridge load-in in Q4 it did exceed expectation but some of that capacity was unlocked due to the fact that our core line of grills and market exceeded expectations from a sell-through standpoint on the back of what continues to be a very high-performing promotion. So, again, I think there's a balance between the two. Certainly, there's an uplift because of load-in. That's just normal, again, as part of the ebbs and flows of innovation cycles. but I think the underlying theme and I think a key underpinning to the performance is certainly around sell-through as well and the fact that also contributes to added replenishment.

Gotcha. That's helpful. And then you guys have made some nice progress on deleveraging the past couple of years. Curious if you've communicated a longer-term goal here and then maybe how are you thinking about free cash flow this year relative to 2024 and maybe catbacks versus

debt pay down within that thank you sure on the leverage front um yeah i think our long-term goal is to drive at or below three turns of leverage i think we feel comfortable kind of within a range of two to three turns you've clearly seen the progress we've made sequentially over the last couple of years and that continues to be a main focus so we feel good with the progress we've made, but there's still some work to do to drive to those levels that we believe are appropriate and sustainable for our business. On the free cash flow side, I would say that one, we'd expect free cash flow in 2025 to be similar to, if not maybe slightly down compared to 2024. And that's really driven by the fact that there continues to be a need to invest in working capital. We're just in a new environment where, you know, if you rewind to 2023, there was a massive drawdown in inventory that contributed meaningfully from a free cash flow standpoint in an abnormal way because we were cleaning up our balance sheet and in-channel inventory levels. Our working capital is now normalized, and so you'll see sort of investment slash drawdown on a quarter-to-quarter basis. So I wouldn't expect anything out of the ordinary there in terms of a swing in one direction or the or or another save it's probably prudent to to assume some degree of investment in working capital that would be offset by capex um you know capex was sequentially down from uh 23 to 24 we think that it'll probably be flat to slightly down in in 2025 you know we're sort of forecasting at the guide at the midpoint of our guidance similar profitability levers so there really isn't a a meaningful unlock there. So I think net net from a free cash flow standpoint, it should look similar to 24, if not slightly down, depending on where working capital lands for the year in your model. But certainly as we think about prioritization of excess free cash flow, we'd first and foremost consider debt pay down in part and in conjunction with the broader strategy of driving leverage down to that target goal in conjunction with EBITDA growth over time.

Great. Thanks, Tom. And then last one for Jeremy. You mentioned pursuing that large manufacturing partner in Vietnam as of last quarter. Just curious where those efforts stand today and maybe any insight into the timing there. Thanks, guys.

Yeah, sure. So I would say, first of all, we've been manufacturing in Vietnam for a number of years now. And this is our second global manufacturing partner who has a footprint in Vietnam going well. I was there about six weeks ago. And look, this is, you know, fortunately, we have, you know, we have been working on some diversification of our sourcing base outside of China for a few years. We have some, you know, we have the ability to scale nicely. Supply chain doesn't move quickly, but we've been working on that and we'll be in production, mass production with that partner in this quarter. And so, you know, we have options uh and and we continue to develop those options and i think we're trying to be um you know really balance uh a dynamic environment that you know that that is changing day by day with making good decisions and acknowledging that you know um ensuring that uh that that that the sort of shifting sands have settled before we make uh reactive decisions so we're sort of focused on both those things but fortunately you know we do have about 25 percent of our grill production has been in vietnam and we have the ability to scale that up awesome thanks i'll pass it off

the next question is from the line of peter keith with piper sandler you may proceed uh thanks uh

Good afternoon, and Dom, it's been great working with you, so I wish you nothing but the best. I think on Q1, I hate to ask a short-term question, but it seems like a super dynamic consumer environment right now. Maybe you could contextualize what you're seeing so far, quarter to date, with the negative revenue guide. Has there been, I guess, recent weakness in the last couple of weeks or anything that's more category-specific that you'd want to highlight?

Yeah, I think what I would highlight is just pacing, right? We've talked in the past about a shift to direct import, for example. And when you think about the dynamics across the value chain as a result of the tariff news, you're working with multiple parties along that value chain, and it can dramatically influence the timing of revenue recognition. So this is really more, you know, information around the fact that we can't really forecast pacing from quarter to quarter. I think we have a good point of view, X tariffs on how we think about the full year. That's what we've guided to. It's just hard right now to put a stake in the ground on a quarter, knowing that there can be some fluidity in how orders are moved and recognized from a revenue standpoint. And that's really the main driver to the, not guide, but kind of the qualitative, you know, points we made on the call around Q1 specifically.

Okay. I think that's an important distinction. So I guess interpreting that, have you seen any change in sell-through trends or are those pretty steady and it's really just a timing issue?

yeah again we don't we don't speak you know intra-quarter um to sell through uh even at a directional level so i would just leave it at my previous comment appreciate the question though

oh okay fair enough um let's talk about international um so rest of world down 39 i think last quarter you call that meter um i guess just get us up to speed on what's happening with international because i i think that's a nice growth opportunity for you but it's the

numbers suggest otherwise no that's right it really is a function of meter um meter does a significant portion of their business in rest of world um and and so that just has an over indexing influence on how we report rest of world and so at the end of the day it's just it's just a function of the the softness we're seeing in meter which is dragging the uh the the consolidated

view on rest of world down okay uh all right fair enough i'll leave it there thank you very much

the next question is from the line of megan clap with morgan stanley you may proceed

hi good evening thanks so much uh maybe just a couple follow-ups from me the first dom i think you mentioned your guiding to or in your guide is an expectation for low single digit girl revenue and i think you called out kind of some puts and takes one of which was tough compares and i was just wondering if you could elaborate on whether that's a shipment or pos comment i i understand the shipment compare is hard but i thought that was kind of more related to lapping some dynamics in 23 but at the same time you did you know lean into promotions a bit more in 24 so i just wanted to clarify kind of what exactly the tough compare

is that you're referring to? In the guide, correct? Yes. That was your question? Yes. Yeah, it's really two things. The first one is related to lapping what was an increased promotional sort of approach to 2024. So we are lapping the promotions that benefited better growth, specifically in grills over the course of 2024 especially in Q2 and Q4 so there is some lapping to that that creates the a slightly more challenging comp and then the second element to that is just the Woodridge load-in you know these are sort of one time in nature before you enter into a more normal cycle of sell-through and replenishment so that creates a slightly tougher comp in Q4 with respect to that load-in so those really the two that the two main points. Okay that makes sense and then on on the

direct import comment I'm not I won't ask about 1Q again but I just want to make sure I understand exactly what you're seeing. Are you seeing less or fewer direct import orders from retailers than you have in previous years? I maybe would have thought you would be seeing more um just given and the fluidity of the tariff environment, especially as we go into peak selling season. So is that kind of the read between the lines that retailers are pulling down direct import orders?

No, I think again, it's just a function of the timing of tariffs and how we think about what that means from a pricing dynamic and how you think about that within the context of the impact it could have on a direct import partner and so again it's it's less about like what we specifically know in the more in the moment and more anticipatory in relation to what we don't know to ensure that we're not committing to something that could shift dramatically the next day because this is such a highly fluid environment and the entire value chain and the associated partners we have across that value chain are reacting in kind as well. And so we just believe at the moment, sharing full year guide is the right thing to do. And we believe we have good line of sight into the core business X tariffs. Again, it's just very hard to establish precision quarter to quarter, DI being one component of that, right? If you have DI orders at the end of the quarter and, you know, there's something that dramatically shifts, you know, the timing of that order and the window shifts into the next quarter, the size of these orders can be very influential to a specific quarter. And that just exposes us to pacing that may or may not play out based on what we know So it's really not a comment on how we think about the full year X tariff and more the fact that there's just really a lack of uncertainty as to how these orders pace, given the fact that we plan, you know, our business early in the year as we budget, you know, and it's a combination of direct import and many other things. And as we strategize with our retail partners, it may dictate a different approach to how orders pace. So really that's the main point that we're making here is it's an uncertainty surrounding revenue recognition, sort of timing of orders as we work with our retail partners to strategize through this tariff uncertainty. And we can't really provide more certainty or precision than that.

Okay. Thank you. That's clear and helpful.

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