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Earnings call · FY2026 Q4

Datamatics Global Services Limited (DATAMATICS) Q4 2026 Earnings Call Transcript

Concluded May 22, 2026 Audio replay
May 22, 2026 35:51 91 turns
Period
FY2026 Q4
Runtime
35:51
Sources
3 artifacts
Revenue 5.19B INR +4.4% YoY
Diluted EPS 7.48 INR/shares -1.6% YoY
Net income 442.10M INR -1.4% YoY
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35:51 Audio
Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, good day, and welcome to Datamatics Q4F526 earnings conference call. As a reminder, all participant lines will be in the listen-only mode, and there will be an opportunity for you to ask questions after the presentation concludes. Should we need assistance during the conference call? Please sign an operator by pressing star then 0 on a touch-tone phone. Please note that this conference is being recorded. I now have the conference over to Mr. Pratik Jakhtav from E&Y. Thank you. And over to you, sir.

Prateek Head of Investor Relations

Thank you, Nitesh. Good day to all the participants in the call today. And welcome to Q4FY26, earnings call of Datamatics Global Services Limited. The results and presentation have already been mailed to you. And they are also available on the website of Datamatics. In case anyone has not received a copy of press release or presentation, please do write to us, and we will be happy to send you all. To take us through the results today and to answer your questions, we have with us the top management of the company, represented by Rahul Kanodia, Vice Chairman and CEO, Ankush Akat, EVP and Chief Financial Officer, Mitul Mehta, EVP and Chief Marketing Officer. Rahul will start the call with a brief overview of the quarter on business, which will be then followed by Ankush, who will take us through the financials. Then we will open the floor for Q&A session. I would like to remind you that anything that is said on this call, which gives any outlook for the future or which can be construed as a forward-looking statement, must be viewed in conjunction with the risks and uncertainties that we face. These risks and uncertainties are included, but not limited to what we have mentioned in the prospectus filed with the SEBI and subsequent annual reports, which you can find on our website. With that said, I now hand over the call to Rahul. Over to you, sir.

Rahul Kanodia Chairman

Thanks, Prateek. Good evening, everyone. Welcome to the Datamatics Q4 and F526 learnings calls. I will begin by sharing a summary of our annual performance and the strategic progress. Following my remarks, Ankhush will present the detailed financial update, and then we will open the floor for Q&A. F5-26 was a productive year for Datamatics. We delivered revenue growth while improving operational efficiency and advancing our position across our target markets. For the full year FY26, our revenue grew 15.3% year-on-year to $1,987.2 crores. We achieved a significant milestone in profitability, delivering an EBITDA margin of 18.7%, the highest in data analytics history. The total EBITDA was $371.6 crores, representing a 62.1% year-on-year growth. This margin expansion was driven by operational efficiencies, disciplined cost management, and the realization of synergies from recent acquisitions. Our core strategy centers on delivering digital transformation, automation, and AI-led modernization initiatives. We are concentrating our focus on securing large deals with our primary vertical markets, BFSI, manufacturing, logistics, and publishing. To support this objective, we reorganized our sales team over the last year to prioritize engagements with existing customers. This structural alignment is functioning as planned, enabling us to expand relationships and drive deeper penetration within our current accounts. Reviewing our operational segments, digital operations, revenue-posted healthy growth led specifically by our digital content business, Margins improved due to process efficiencies and platform-driven automation. We expect this segment to lead our AI transformation efforts. Digital technologies. Revenue decreased slightly due to scheduled project completions, but we successfully maintained double-digit margins. The pipeline remains steady, and we anticipate revenue improvement in this segment for the current year. Digital experiences, the revenue and margins contracted as selected customers shifted work to captive centers, a factor we noted in the previous quarters. However, we have signed new contracts that will ramp up in FY27, which will drive stabilization and improvement. The integration of Dextrata and TNQ Tech is proceeding to plan. TNQ Tech delivered a solid annual performance. Through our Dextala capabilities, we recently secured a Salesforce-led CRM transformation program with a leading U.S.-based logistics enterprise. Integrating AI into our operations and client deliverables is our primary operational focus. Recently, we launched TrueAI, our enterprise suite for agentic automation designed for complex business processes. The initial solutions to AI underwriting enables insurers to assess financial and medical risks with increased speed, consistency, and accuracy. We have already acquired our first few customers for this platform. Additionally, we are seeing increased customer adoption for Finato, our authentic AI platform for finance transformation, and our CHI series of accelerators for legacy modernization. As organizations look to accelerate time to value, demand for digital transformation remains consistent in our focus sectors. Moving forward, our priorities are strengthening our AI capabilities and product suite, expanding our presence in key international markets, deepening customer relationships and wallet share, improving execution excellence across all delivery centers. Based on our operational performance and cash generation, the Board of Directors has recommended a final dividend of Rs. 5 per share, representing 100% of the face value for the financial year ended March 2026. I thank our customers for their trust, our employees for their execution, and our shareholders for your ongoing support. We remain focused on our stated strategy and operational targets. I will now hand over the call to Ankush for our financial update.

Thank you, Rahul. Welcome, everyone, and thank you for joining us for our Quarter 4 FI26 earnings call. We have delivered a strong performance in our fourth quarter and for the full fiscal year 2026. Starting with our fourth quarter performance, our Quarter 4 revenue stood at Rs. 519.3 crore, reflecting a growth of 4.4% year-on-year. Our ongoing cost optimization efforts and operational efficiencies helped us improve our EBITDA to Rs. 110.6 crore, a growth of 48.4% year-on-year. Our EBITDA margin for the quarter stood at 21.3%, reflecting an expansion of 631 basis points year-on-year. Our EBITDA for the quarter stood at Rs. 88 crore, a growth of 61.3% year-on-year. Our EBIT margin for the quarter was 16.9%, reflecting an expansion of 597 basis points year-on-year. Before moving to the profit-after-text, I want to highlight that our profit-after-text was adversely impacted due to one-time exceptional charge towards fair-value changes of contingent consideration, payable towards acquisition of subsidiaries, and impact arising from the changes in labor courts. Our pet after non-controlling interest was 44.2 crore, down by 1.5% year-on-year. Our pet margin stood at 8.3%. Excluding the one-time exceptional impact, our adjusted pet after non-controlling interest would have been 72.9 crore, representing a margin of approximately 13.6%. In terms of segment, digital operations revenue for the quarter stood at Rs. 299.5 crore, which is up by 12.4% year-on-year. Digital operations' EBIT margin was at 23.2% for the quarter. Digital technologies' revenue for the quarter stood at Rs. 159.4 crore, which is up by 0.3% year-on-year. Digital technologies' EBIT margin was at 10% for the quarter. Digital Experiences revenue stood at Rs 60.4 crore, which is down by 15.8% on a year-on-year basis. Digital Experiences EBIT margin was at 4.4% for the quarter. Moving to the full-year Wi-Fi 26 performance, our revenue for the year stood at Rs 1,987.2 crore, reflecting a growth of 15.3% year-on-year. Our EBITDA stood at 371.6 crore, a growth of 62.1% year-on-year. Our EBITDA margin for the year was 18.7%, reflecting an expansion of 540 basis points year-on-year. Our EBITDA for the year stood at 287.6 crore, which is up by 58.7% year-on-year. Our EBITDA margin was 14.5%, reflecting an expansion of 396 basis points year-on-year. Our profit after tax after non-controlling interest stood at Rs. 194.2 crore, down by 5.3% year-on-year. Our PAT margin was 9.5%. As discussed earlier, our PAT was adversely impacted due to one-time exceptional charge during the year. Excluding the one-time exceptional impact, our adjusted PAT after non-controlling interest for the year would have been 253 crore, representing a margin of approximately 12.4%. In terms of segments, digital operations revenue for the year stood at 1,101.4 crore, which is up by 40.2% year-on-year. Digital operations EBIT margin was at 18.7% for the year. Digital Technologies revenue for the year stood at 626.5 crore, which is down by 4.5% year-on-year. Digital Technologies EBIT margin was 9.7% for the year. Digital Experiences revenue stood at 259.2 crore, which is down by 8% year-on-year. Digital Experiences EBIT margin was 7.9% for the year. In terms of geographical footprint, U.S. remains our largest geography, with 54% of our business coming from here, followed by UK and Europe at 22%, India at 16%, and ROW at 8%. In terms of industry footprint, education and publishing was the largest segment for us, contributing 26% of the revenue, followed by technology and consulting contributing 22%, BFSI contributing 19%, manufacturing and logistics contributing 12%, not-for-profit and government contributing 9%, retail contributing 9%, and rest are 3% of the revenues. Our client concentration remains healthy, with top 5, 10, and 20 clients contributing to 26%, 39%, and 52% respectively. Our bill DSO was at 63 days as of March 2026. We continue to maintain a healthy balance sheet. As of 31st of March 2026, our net cash and investment net of debt stood at 639.2 crore. Overall, we are pleased with our quarterly and yearly financial performance and remain confident in our strategy to drive sustainable growth. With this, I will now pass on the call to the operator to open the floor for questions. Thank you for your patience and continued interest in datamatics.

Operator

Thank you very much. We will now begin the question-answer session. Anyone who wishes to ask a question may press star and 1 on the data stone telephone. If you wish to remove yourself from the question queue, you may press star and 2. Participants are requested to use handsets while asking a question. Ladies and gentlemen, we will wait for a moment while the question queue assembles. We have first question from the line of Vassal Shah from Anindya Financial Services. Please go ahead. Hello. Hello. Yes.

Vassal Shah Analyst — Anindya Financial Services

Good afternoon, sir. Congratulations for the great numbers. There are a couple of questions. The first one, what are you expecting for your upcoming two to three year plan? How your growth expectation would be? And at what percentage are you looking for year on year growth?

Rahul Kanodia Chairman

So the growth we are looking at is a high single digit for next year. Because we've just launched some of our Agenda KIA platforms, we've got some very good traction initially, but we still need to see the value of the performance. But we are by and large looking at high single digits in the next year.

Vassal Shah Analyst — Anindya Financial Services

So can you tell me about the quantity in numbers, like percentage, what percent, like high digits, what could be like 8 to 9 percent?

Rahul Kanodia Chairman

Yeah, 8-ish percent would be approximately correct.

Vassal Shah Analyst — Anindya Financial Services

Okay, sir. So another question is, like, you have 630 crores of odd numbers in cash. So, are you going to invest in other mutual funds or other investments, or are you planning for merger and acquisition with other companies?

Rahul Kanodia Chairman

We keep talking about acquisitions. We are in dialogue with several companies, but we are cautious because you don't acquire a company and then get stuck. So, traditionally, we have used our surplus cash for growth and M&A. So, that would be the primary agenda with this current cash balance. Having said that, we do have, yeah, sorry, go ahead.

Vassal Shah Analyst — Anindya Financial Services

Yes, sir, yes, at least, go ahead.

Rahul Kanodia Chairman

No, no, I'm done.

Vassal Shah Analyst — Anindya Financial Services

So, there was a loss in your 26 crores of loss in that you have said in exceptional item. So, what is the problem of making it a profit?

Rahul Kanodia Chairman

No, there is no loss in exceptional item. We had a labor code adjustment, and that was about 24 crores. So, I don't know where 26 is coming from, but 24 crores of adjustment because the labor code has changed. And it is across the whole industry. So, many companies have had that, particularly labor-intensive organizations.

Vassal Shah Analyst — Anindya Financial Services

Sorry, I missed it. It's negative net worth. 26 crores of net worth was, you know, in negative of your subsidiary company.

So, this is in one of the subsidiary companies where we have the negative net worth. We continue We continue to see now profitable growth in that particular subsidiary as well, and we are confident in terms of we will be able to recoup it and then improve the overall performance.

Rahul Kanodia Chairman

Yeah, probably we will recover in the next two years or so.

Operator

Okay, sir. Thank you so much. Thank you. We have next question from the line of Bhavya Cheda from Seven Iceland PMS. Yeah, hello. I am Audubon.

Bhavya Chedda Analyst — 7India PMS

Yeah, so your EBITDA margins have been quite high at this time. So, will they be sustainable considering your product businesses contributing more and more to the top line? And what is the expectation for next year? Will the margins improve or stay the same?

Rahul Kanodia Chairman

The margins will move. So, we are at about 18.7%. Hello, there's a background noise. Yeah, hello, hello. Yeah, so our EBITDA margins are about 18.7. We are looking at another 500, roughly 5200 basis points next year. So, by and large, it will remain steady. I don't see that moving substantially higher.

Bhavya Chedda Analyst — 7India PMS

Okay. My other question is, can you elaborate more on this product, Finanto, and is there any new client additions in this? Can you extend more about this product?

Rahul Kanodia Chairman

Yeah, so we've now made Finanto into an agentic AI platform, so we had to re-engineer the platform quite a bit, and we're getting some very good traction with some large opportunities on agentic finance transformation on Finanto.

Mitul Mehta Other

Yeah, hi, Bhavya. So, FNATO is a finance transformation platform which automates the entire finance, which is AP, AR for several companies, specifically in the manufacturing and logistics space. This platform is a fourth generation platform, which is currently in production. We are now upgrading and adding agentic AI into it, which is what will, you know, with more AI capabilities in it. So, that is what is the innovation or the next development which we are doing on that platform. It's a backbone of our entire finance transformation.

Operator

Okay.

Bhavya Chedda Analyst — 7India PMS

Okay. My other question is, can you give me a bit of ANQ and Lumina at Betamatic?

Rahul Kanodia Chairman

Um, I don't have it handy right now, but we can, we can, we can share that with you offline.

Bhavya Chedda Analyst — 7India PMS

Okay. Okay. Okay. Fine. Thank you. Thank you. That's it. Thank you, sir.

Operator

Thank you. The next question from the line of Aditi from iWealth India. Please go ahead.

Aditi Analyst — iWealth India

Uh, hello. Uh, hi, sir. Uh, my question was, uh, relating to EBITDA only. Like, don't you think the 5200 basis points will you conserve it? Because right now, also, like, your costs have been, from three to four quarters, it has been nearing to 400 croods. So, even if we take that number, we can still do a margin of 20 to 21. So, is that not possible?

Rahul Kanodia Chairman

It depends on how much we invest in our AI going forward, because we have to invest in the agentic AI platforms that we are building. And some of that will influence this EBITDA percentage. And as you know, we are expensing out all our investments. We do not capitalize any of it.

Aditi Analyst — iWealth India

Understood. Understood. That is it. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. The next question is from the line of George. John from Equity Intelligence. Please go ahead.

George John Analyst — Equity Intelligence

Yeah. Hi. Good evening. I hope I'm audible. So, yeah. So, my question is on the newly launched true AI insurance underwriting solution. I believe you've already added clients in this. Yeah. So, could you please talk in detail about this tool and its monetization? Like, is it primarily a one-time implementation that offering, or is it going to be like a platform with recurring revenues?

Rahul Kanodia Chairman

Yeah, it will be a platform with recurring revenues. It's not a one-time implementation, so there's an ongoing license fee, and then there are some services that will be ongoing as well. Underwriting, as you probably know, is the core of insurance, and it's a very complex process because they have to analyze financial statements, medical statements, and assess the risk of each individual before you do any underwriting for his health insurance. So, that's what it is. Our next step is to expand that to claims on processing using agent DKI. Mitul, here, if you want to just add in a little bit.

Mitul Mehta Other

Yeah, so, as Rahul mentioned, it is, underwriting is the heart of the insurance business and extremely manual and complicated process. So, with True AI underwriting, we are automating that whole process to a high degree, which makes two things. One, it improves productivity, it improves accuracy, and it improves the client. So, since we've launched about Quarterback, roughly, we've seen some really good traction. It's a platform, and therefore it is not a one-time implementation. It is something which we are anyway, you know, we're moving towards more outcome-based pricing. So, it follows an outcome and a transaction-based pricing approach.

Rahul Kanodia Chairman

Yeah, so we've got very good traction. We are talking to several companies. We've already signed up three or four. So I am very positive. This market is about a $30 billion market globally, and I think we've got an early start. So our key element will be now how do we capture market share. Right now, we're targeting the health insurance market. We will then take it to PNC and Life.

Mitul Mehta Other

Life and, no, sorry, so it is for Life, and then we will take it into the general insurance, PNC, Health. So that is where we are, where the opportunity is.

George John Analyst — Equity Intelligence

So these clients, are they domestic or foreign in nature?

Rahul Kanodia Chairman

Both. We've got a few domestic and a few overseas as well.

Mitul Mehta Other

We are speaking to overseas, right, but right now we are doing more overseas.

Rahul Kanodia Chairman

Yeah. U.S. and India right now. Yeah.

George John Analyst — Equity Intelligence

Okay. And could you just walk us through some of your recent case studies? Because I know you've been going into AI projects, and I think you've delivered some 70 projects already. And it would be helpful to understand, you know, the nature of these engagements, the kind of, you know, problems that they've addressed, the industries and client segments, and the kind of outcomes that you've achieved. Yeah. So, if you could explain those.

Rahul Kanodia Chairman

I'll just give you a very high level, otherwise we'll go into details of each.

George John Analyst — Equity Intelligence

Yeah, yeah. That's right.

Rahul Kanodia Chairman

So we've addressed the logistics industry, the banking, insurance, retail. So these are the industries we've largely addressed. Some of them have been generative AI, some of them have been agentic AI. So we've had a combination of both. The productivity gains have been anywhere from 30% to 60% for customers. That brought their TCO, the total cost of operations, down substantially, improved the accuracy, and also improved the quality. The accuracy, the turnaround time, and the cost, all of them were impacted. We've got very good traction on that, but now we are trying to focus very specifically on certain verticals. So we want to focus on insurance and logistics as two major ones. And therefore, we want to expand the scope or the coverage of those platforms. So we try to concentrate on two or three and expand it. The other one that we are doing very active work with is Finato, which is an agentic finance transformation solution. And there also we've shown it to some very large organizations and got a very encouraging response from them. On that front, the earlier version of Finato is installed, and we've got a customer base. The new version, which is agent-KI, we've shown it, but we have not yet signed up any customer. I hope that in the next one quarter, we should have a few sign-ups. On the case studies, we can give you details on computer vision kind of AI-driven case studies, agent-KI kind of case studies, the different types, but maybe offline, we can share that with you.

George John Analyst — Equity Intelligence

Yeah, yeah, that'll be helpful. So, thank you so much. Yeah.

Operator

Thank you. Reminder to all the participants that you have a star event to ask a question. Reminder to all the participants that you have a star event to ask a question. The next question from the line of Jay Ahuja, an individual investor, please go ahead.

Rahul Kanodia Chairman

Hello, yeah, your voice is very muted. Hello.

Jay Ahuja Analyst — Individual Investor

Now audible, sir?

Rahul Kanodia Chairman

Now audible, but still cracking, but we can hear you.

Jay Ahuja Analyst — Individual Investor

Great number, sir, that you have highlighted how you are going to invest in AI and all. I just want to know about the CapEx. Are you going to increase the capital expenditure on intangible assets or on plant and equipment, anything?

Rahul Kanodia Chairman

We will have some capital expenditure in some of our real estate needs, a little bit of an investment to just upgrade, but beyond that, no major capital expense. We may have some of it from a building, because the buildings we have are little old, and we may need to do some upgrade there.

Jay Ahuja Analyst — Individual Investor

And so, could you just tell me about the current order book?

Rahul Kanodia Chairman

I don't have that number handy, but regardless, it remains quite robust and strong. So, I think we are okay for next year.

Jay Ahuja Analyst — Individual Investor

So, any rough idea about the numbers? It would be really helpful.

Rahul Kanodia Chairman

I don't have that handy at McUniteps, but maybe for the next call, I'll keep that number ready.

Jay Ahuja Analyst — Individual Investor

Okay, sir. And, sir, one more question. Like, it's about three years that we are working with the hyperscalers. And are you expecting any bigger move come from that?

Rahul Kanodia Chairman

Yes, so we are working closely with both Microsoft, Google, and Salesforce. On the Salesforce front, we've got some large deals in the pipeline, and we are hoping that they will materialize very soon. A few deals have already closed, which is very good, and a few larger ones are still in the pipeline. The company we acquired called Dextara, Their average deal size ranged between $50,000 to $70,000. Our average deal sizes are now ranging between half a million to $1 million. So we've got a significant uptake. As far as Google is concerned, we have engaged with Google on all our agentic AI platforms. So our TrueAI and Finato are all using the Google technology behind it. The underwriting technology is all Google. And also, the Finato, KyBRE. KyBRE is another one where we are using that for legacy modernization. And that, again, uses a combination, actually, of Google, Microsoft, and Cloud. So it's a mixture of multiple things working together. So, all these hyperscalers, I think, are panning out quite well, and more from a technology perspective, but given the technology, I think we will get a good traction because they have the heft in the market to pull business.

Jay Ahuja Analyst — Individual Investor

That's really good, sir. So, one more question. I've seen a component in other non-current financial assets. There was an unbuilt revenue. Yes. So, could you just light up something like when are these revenues going to come back?

So, it's part of the regular cycle. So, as part of the services, we provide the services while the billing may happen at a feature date, specifically for the fixed price engagements, based on the milestone achievements, while the revenue is recognized on percentage completion basis, the invoicing happens in the feature dates. So, we don't see any issues in terms of from the collectability perspective on the unbill that we are having. So, there is no exposure per se.

Jay Ahuja Analyst — Individual Investor

But, sir, from past three years, it's increasing only.

So, one of the reasons what you see is in terms of our AFC business, which is the government business that we have, we have the terms which are agreed. There is an annuity component which is there, which is basically the billing will be done in the future dates. And that is the reason you see a slightly higher amount because of that reason. And as and when we are completing Some portion we collect it and some portion is deferred to the future collection while the work is delivered. And that is the reason you see a slightly increasing trend right now. It will taper down in the next one-year time frame. It will start to taper down then. We will start invoicing it.

Jay Ahuja Analyst — Individual Investor

Okay. Thank you, sir. Thank you so much.

Operator

Thank you. The next question is from the line of Jadash Shah and a New Jersey investor. Please go ahead.

Jadash Shah Analyst — Individual Investor, New Jersey

Hi, sir. Congratulations on a good set of money. Thank you. I just had a question regarding the P&Q tech acquisition. So, we are supposed to finish it up by July. So, has the valuation changed significantly the balance payment, and what would be that figure if you can give it out?

Rahul Kanodia Chairman

Yeah, the valuation has increased, so their performance has been very good, and the balance payments that we had to do, we had a variable component which would go up or down basis business performance, and because the performance was good, we are buying out at a little higher value than what we had originally planned. So, the total, if you see the total exceptional items, our total exceptional items comes to about 65 crores, out of which 24 crores is for the labor code, and about 41 crores is for the payouts. Not all 41 is excess, but some of it is excess. Excess meaning more than what we have planned, just because their business performance has been better.

We have done the fair valuation of the contingent consideration, which was payable, and that's the impact which has been taken in the book.

Rahul Kanodia Chairman

So, ideally, what would have happened is, in a very traditional model, this would have been an investment in the old accounting rules. The new Indias accounting rules requires us to write it in the P&L. So, these come as the exception items in the P&L.

Jadash Shah Analyst — Individual Investor, New Jersey

So, as I understand, this 40 crores approximately is for the contingent, like the balance payout?

Yes, contingent competition, correct.

Jadash Shah Analyst — Individual Investor, New Jersey

Okay, so will there be an impact in the next quarter as well, or it's all now factored in?

We are not expecting anything material in that.

Jadash Shah Analyst — Individual Investor, New Jersey

All right. So, as I understand, this year closes the TNQ acquisition, and now we, like, 100% own it.

Rahul Kanodia Chairman

That is correct. So, the transaction is that we'll pay out in July, but because the payout is for the financial year ending 26, March 26, that's already behind us, and therefore there's no more payout, but the payout cash flow will happen in July.

Jadash Shah Analyst — Individual Investor, New Jersey

All right. Okay. Thank you, sir.

Rahul Kanodia Chairman

Thank you. You're welcome.

Operator

Thank you. The next question from the line of Jay Ahuja, an individual investor, please go ahead. Hello.

Rahul Kanodia Chairman

Hello.

Jay Ahuja Analyst — Individual Investor

Yes, sir. I was having one question about the digital technologies and experiences segment. We have been facing a decline in revenue and EBITDA margin for the past two quarters. So could you just enlighten anything about it?

Rahul Kanodia Chairman

So the digital technologies has been really scheduled project completions. That's been the major driver in digital technologies. However, we maintain the margin in digital technologies even though we had a degrowth in top line. As far as digital experiences is concerned, we mentioned in even earlier two quarters of quarterly calls that we were expecting some customers to move to their captive units, so that materialized, and that's why you see a dip, and that's also impacted the margin. However, we've signed a few large deals in the last quarter of the year, and those will start ramping up now. So, I think this year will be a better year because we'll have the ramp-up objectives that we've signed. And the scale-down has already happened.

Jay Ahuja Analyst — Individual Investor

Also, sir, in the digital operations segment, we have consolidated the results of TNQ. So, is that why the Abilita margins have been improved because of the TNQ business we are getting? Because their Abilita margins are about 24 to 25 percent, if I'm not.

Rahul Kanodia Chairman

It has improved for both reasons, partly the TNQ and partly our own operational efficiency and automation that we've done. So both have increased.

Jay Ahuja Analyst — Individual Investor

Okay. So can you just give a guidance about the organic and growth from acquisitions for the next three to four years? That would be very helpful.

Rahul Kanodia Chairman

So the next one year is around the high single digits that we talked about earlier in the call, about 8-ish percent. Two years, three years down the line, we don't know yet. Having said that, we are in dialogue with some companies from an acquisition point of view, but none of them have matured to the stage where it needs any announcement. So, yeah, we have a strong cash reserve, and we will use that for growth and M&A.

Jay Ahuja Analyst — Individual Investor

So, would it be fine to assume that we grow organically 4% and the other 4% to 5% comes from acquisitions? Would that be fine?

Rahul Kanodia Chairman

No, I am talking about organic growth of a high single disease around 80%. And then on top of that would be the M&A.

Jay Ahuja Analyst — Individual Investor

Okay, sir. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Reminder to all the participants that you want to start around to ask a question. Reminder to all the participants that you want to start around to ask a question. As there is no further question from the participants, I now hand the conference over to management for closing comments.

Rahul Kanodia Chairman

Thank you very much for participating on this call. We've had a good year, and I'm very hopeful and bullish about a year going forward. So I look forward to speaking to all of you again next quarter. Thank you once again.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, on behalf of Datametrics, that concludes this conference. Thank you for joining us, and you are not listening to us. Thank you.

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