Sai Silks (Kalamandir) Limited (KALAMANDIR) Q4 2026 Earnings Call Transcript

Ladies and gentlemen, good day and welcome to the SAISELTS Kalamanser Limited Earnings Call for quarter and year-ended March 31, 2026. This conference call may contain forward-looking statements about the company, which are based on the beliefs, opinions, and expectations of the company as on the date of this call. These statements are not the guarantees of future performance and involve risks and uncertainties that are difficult to predict. As a reminder, all participant lines will be in the lesson only month and there will be an opportunity for you to ask questions after the presentation concludes. Should you need assistance during the conference call, please signal an operator by pressing star then zero on your touch-tone phone. Please note that this conference is being recorded. Today on the call we have with us Mr. Bharat Bhai Racha Madugu, CEO and Mr. K.V. Alan Sharma, CFO. I would now like to hand the conference over to Mr. Bharatwaj Racha Madhubu, CEO of the company. Thank you anyway to you, sir.

Thank you, Vikram.

Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us today for the Quarter 4 and Full Year FI 2526 Earnings Conference Call of SAASIS Kalamangar Limited. On behalf of the management team, I extend a welcome to all of our investors, analysts, shareholders, stakeholders who are joining on the call today. I hope all of you had an opportunity to review our financial results, presentation, and investor materials shared with the stock exchanges and are available on our website as well. Joining me today on a call is our Chief Financial Officer, KVLN, Mr. Sharma. FI26 has been an important and transformational year for SciSales Kala Mandir Ltd. Despite mixed discretionary demand environments and increased competitive industry intensity, we still delivered strong double-digit revenue growth, significant profitability improvement, sustained margin expansion, and also focused on our retail expansion. Before I move into our business performance, I would also like to briefly touch upon the broader industry environment and evolving consumption trends that are shaping the women's ethnic Indian market. The Indian ethnic wear and occasion-led market continues to remain structurally strong, which is supported by the wedding economy, the rising disposable income, premiumization, and also the shift towards the organized retail from unorganized. One of the biggest structural drivers continues to be the wetting ecosystem. India's wetting-led consumption remains highly resilient and wetting as well as the festive purchases continue to drive a significant portion of spending across retail categories. At the same time, organized retail also continue to gain market share across India. Consumers are more aware today, increasingly. are preferring brands and are trusting retailers due to the transparency that is available, better customer service, the omni-channel convenience, and a larger group of retail store network that they have. We are also seeing a strong growth coming from Tier 2 and Tier 3 cities, where rising aspirations, infrastructure development, and brand awareness is creating meaningful long-term opportunities for organized ethnic retailers. From a region standpoint, South India continues to remain one of the strongest ethnic wear markets in the country, particularly in categories such as saris and women's ethnic wear, which aligns well with our core positioning and brand strengths. However, the industry is also witnessing heightened competitive intensity, faster fashion cycles, increasing digital influence, which has an impact on the purchase behavior. Overall, we remain very optimistic about the medium and long-term opportunity in the Indian ethnic retail market. The structural demand drivers for the category remain firmly intact, and we believe organized players with strong brands, deep regional understanding, and disciplined execution are well positioned to benefit from this opportunity over the coming years. Coming to our operational performance, I will first discuss the quarter four performance followed by the full year 26 highlights. During quarter four, from a retail expansion perspective, we added approximately 24,000 square feet of retail addition during the quarter. We delivered a revenue of about 419 crore, representing a growth of 5.1% YOY, despite a relatively mixed consumption environment across certain mature markets. Our gross margin stood at 42.08 compared to 41.71 last year, an increase of 37 basis points. Our FAT for the quarter stood at 32.65 crores compared to 13.51 crores last year, an increase of about 140% YOY. Coming to the full year, FI26 performance. FI26 again was a significant year in terms of expansion, operational strengthening, and profitability. During the year, we have added 13 new stores and one extension store, taking our total network of our stores from 68 stores to 81 stores across five states. We added close to 78,600 square feet of retail space with a net retail addition of about 69,000, taking our overall retail area to about 7,85,000 square feet across five South Indian states. For the full year, our revenue grew by 13.1% to 1,654 crore compared to 1,462 crore last year, while the same store sales growth stood at plus 3%. Varamaha, Lakshmi, Silks, and Valli formats led the growth majorly this year. For the full year, FI26, our EBITDA grew by 128 basis points to 15.76% compared to 14.48% last year. Despite the changing market environment, we continue to maintain healthy gross margins at 42.07%, reflecting an improvement of 30 basis points over last year. Our tax for the year grew significantly to 141 crores compared to 85 crores in the previous year, representing a very strong growth of nearly 65%. Even after considering the one-time tax impact in the previous year, our operational FAT last year was around 105 crores. Against this 141 crore FAT that is achieved this year, the substantial improvement of about more than 30% of FAT improvement demonstrated a strong operational efficiencies, disciplined cost management, and overall profitability across the business. Additionally, Few other metrics, such as the ROE has improved from 7.78% to 11.78%, while the ROCE improved from 13.7% to 16.7%, reflecting stronger profitability and improved capital efficiency. Overall, FI26 was a year where we successfully balanced expansion, profitability, operational discipline, and strategic investments for our future growth. While continuing to the stand, while looking ahead in 2027, one of the key priorities for us will be to be able to focus on walk-ins across underperforming catchments. We have identified potential stores where the trends have softened and targeted hyper-local marketing initiatives along with localized digital and on-ground campaigns. This will help us improve customer acquisition and engagement. From a merchandising standpoint as well, we are undertaking detailed assortment correction initiatives to improve alignment between stock mix as well as the consumer demand patterns. Thank you, and I now wish to open the forum for questions and answers.

Thank you very much. We will now begin the question and answer session. Anyone who wishes to ask a question, may press star N1 on their touchtone telephone. If you wish to remove yourself from the question queue, you may press star and 2. Participants are requested to use handsets while asking a question. Ladies and gentlemen, we will wait for a moment while the question queue assembles. The first question is from the line of Rahul Jain from Credence Wealth. Please go ahead.

Thanks for the opportunity, my audience.

Yes, you are.

Yes, Mr. Harag, you are horrible. Yes, Mr. Harag. Thanks for the opportunity. So, sir, a couple of questions from my side. First of all, so how do we look at growth for the next year in terms of next perfect addition and also SSG G1? In the previous call, we had mentioned that we have a strong wedding season right up to one more quarter. So, somewhere, at this quarter also, the wedding season must have been good till now. What to understand? How do we look at the next perfect edition and overall SSG for whereby what kind of revenue growth we are looking for FY27? That is my first question.

Well, see, in terms of revenue addition, I think last year we have added close to 75,000, 78,000, close to about 10% of retail addition is what we have added. And this year, we tend to actually plan a little bit more aggressive store expansion. We have identified potential locations and the pipeline is more streamlined and solid this year. Therefore, we should be able to expect at least... 20% more than last year's square edition easily. However, I think probably after H1, if there's something else and additional stores might come up, I'll keep you posted. But at least for now, we should be able to expect at least 20% more than last year's square fit edition. Now, with that in mind, I think, yes, sorry.

No, no, sorry. This was net edition, right?

Yeah, see, generally, our net addition and the overall addition is same. Just in this quarter, we have reduced the capacity. We did not close down any stores. We have reduced the capacity in one of our stores, and therefore, that negative 9,000 square feet is there. That's the first time I'm actually talking about the net retail addition. Otherwise, it's always the same thing. We don't have any store closures that we anticipate in this year. But again, overall, to answer your question in short, yes, the net square feet addition in this year will be in the range of 100,000. On the SSSG front, the way we look at it is we generally look at the wedding calendar. The wedding calendar is positioned comfortably this year. There could be a small shift between quarter, but overall the number of wedding dates wise seem to be healthy. This is again spread between four quarters of Q1 and Q2, Q3, Q4. So we do anticipate similar to a little bit better SSSG numbers than we've achieved this year. So that's with respect to our SSSG front. And to your third question on the revenue guidance, I don't think with the proper stores that we are going to open, it will be difficult for me to give you a revenue guidance right now, because as I did tell you, we are aiming at 100,000. There could be chances where we might end up opening a little bit more as well. Now, keeping that in mind, our revenue targets will not have a right number if I can give you a number right now. But broadly, if I have to give you, it should be more than the guidance that we have, more than what we achieved last year, 25-26.

With regards to the productivity at existing stores, so typically we were targeting because Kamiladu has all the Varamalakshmi stores, and we understand Varamalakshmi is one of our best formats in terms of the growth. So, if we look at Tamil Nadu, today, the average spare fee for the entire year is roughly around 32,300. So, how do we look at this number for the coming quarters? Because last two, three quarters, it has somewhere been in the region of 95 to 98 crores.

I mean, see, overall Tamil Nadu averages are slowly picking up. See, the point here is Tier 1, Tier 2, Tier 3, Tier 4. Tamil Nadu is one state that has split between all four tiers of stores. It definitely will improve, but it will not be a significant improvement. I think YOY, you should be able to see about 5% to 10% kind of an improvement slowly. However, I think these matured stores, when they come into maturity levels, I think this will ignite the process a little bit sooner.

And the last question, gross margins, we have done reasonably quite well. We have been able to maintain somewhere near 42% gross margins. Just this quarter, your EBITDA margins, in spite of having 42% plus the kind of gross margins, our EBITDA margins have been around 15% only, or it's around 14.6, primarily due to the increase in employee cost and the And other expenses. So, within those two buckets, anything to read in terms of some kind of one-offs order? And going forward, do we look at a similar kind of quarterly run rate for these expenses?

See, on the gross margin side, I think I have to give you, this year, we have taken it as a very serious note, one of the top. High priority KPIs for us is to maintain the gross margin irrespective of the fact that we're coming with the newer formats and lesser gross margin stores. We have done a lot of activity around the improvisation in terms of gross margins, in terms of vendor discounts, and therefore, we were able to maintain the gross margins at this level despite all these changing economics, right? But when you talk about the EBITDA percentages in quarter four, there are broadly two heads where our expenditure head, the other expenditure majorly driven by advertisement cost. So, advertisement cost. We have been reducing the advertisement cost, and we have been split that between last year and this year. If you look at YOY, our advertisement cost reduced by almost like about 10 crore rupees. So, this is an effective cost exercise that we have done, and some of the expenditures fell into Q4. Secondly, one more thing is the employee cost. I think on the employee cost side, If you look at a store opening profile, majority of the stores, even in the 78,000 square feet, almost close to 50% to 55% of our stores opened between December 15th and March 15th. Therefore, a significant employee cost added to this. That's number one. And on the employee cost front also, there are other factors such as this bonuses as well as the labor code impact to a certain extent. All of this is where the EBITDA actually took a beating in the quarter four. Otherwise, we should be able to expect an EBITDA, decent EBITDA, about the full year EBITDA plus at least 50 basis points in the next year.

If I may add Rahul here, that Q3 and Q4 will have a slight increase in respect of personnel costs on account of issue of bonus. In one area, we will give in Q3, and one area we will give in Q4. Labor code commitment is a continuing process, so that will be there in the same lines as it is today. And Q1, Q2, we will not have that bonus thing, bonus expenditure that will be there. So if we are working out any variation, variation to the extent of bonus will be lesser personal costs on account of bonus should be there in Q1 and Q2.

Sure. Thank you so much, sir. Quite helpful. And wish you all the best. Look forward to the 100K plus spread cut edition going on.

Thank you.

Thank you. Next question is from the line of Bala Muralekrishna from Oman Investment Advisor. Please go ahead.

Hi, good morning. First of all, regarding this taxation issue, recently I predicted that the Income Tax Department we had out this taxation demand from the promoters. That's in the boat, that's because then... But when it comes to company acquisition issues, so the 21 pros demand, we immediately paid that. So why would I not appeal to the company side? How they agreed to remove this 51 pros acquisition from the promoter side? What is the experience?

The contention on which they have raised a demand was wrong. I mean, we cannot go into nitty-gritty of what all has happened, but they have taken a contention which was not tenable at that point of time. So, we went for an appeal, and the appeal was allowed, and finally, the liability on the promoter came to around 50 lakhs plus or minus. And the other thing was, it dropped because the contention of the original assessing officer itself was wrong.

Why aren't you playing with the first company? Thanks, man.

Company does. Company's aspect is, in fact, in a closed chapter last year itself. So, I have essentially explained about the company's taxation where we have agreed. Because we have given advances to the employees during the COVID period, and then we waved it off, initially keeping them as advances, the income tax people have taken that it is to be re-added back, and then we have agreed for that. In respect of liability of the promoter, it's entirely a different issue involving some personal intersea transaction between the promoter group and then they have taken a wrong contention and gave the demand on which the promoter group have gone in for an appeal and it was allowed. So, both sides, it was reasonably ended as of now, and the matters are fully closed by now.

I think the company side, I think last year, Q4 itself, the matter ended, and therefore, the tax provisions have been made. That's like Q4 of 24-25.

Yeah, we know that's when valid provisions are made. Of course, the investor community is raising concern about how this 50-clo is negotiated and how that 20-clo is paid immediately. So that is the concern.

As I did mention, the whole point was transactions between the promoter group and family members. I think we did explain again, but probably if at all you need a detailed explanation on this, I can probably give you separately. But broadly, the case here is there has been some transactions during the family trust creation from the promoter group side. So right now, all the shares currently that you see from the promoter group majorly are parked under the family trust. During this entire transaction process, there has been some assets that have been moved between the promoters, and therefore the income tax authorities have highlighted that and have marked against a demand notice. Now, all of that, we had a proper representation made to the government, I mean, made to the department, and therefore they have waved it off, and they have kept a nominal notice of about 25 to 50 lakh rupees, that is what is supposed to be paid, that has been taken care of.

I assume it's a trillion, but it meant rock. There is no way of it. Is that the earth or the rock?

This is the lowdown in the growth rate. Usually Q3 would be higher, but this time it's not much like that. So, is it the more valley sports tradition in the last two quarters? Is it less contributing for this forum? Because I...

It's not necessary to look at. Yeah, so if you look at in terms of our revenue contribution between H1 and H2, we are still, ideally it is like between 45 to 55 in that range it moves. And if you look at this year number 25-26, it moved between 51 and 49, which looks like as if having a decent growth that we had. Nothing particular with respect to only silks. It's just that the factors, the overall factors, which is geopolitical factors, could be the consumption factors could be. In the month of late January to February, there has been some slowdowns in the overall consumption pattern, and that's what has caused us to this kind of a plus 5%. Otherwise, one more reason why we had a little bit of less of a growth here is because our store addition, again, even in Q4, the two stores, the 25,000 square feet, again, came between March 10th and 15th. If at all, we would have gotten a chance to open in maybe Jan or February, a significant revenue contribution would have been added overall. But it is just that the alignment of the store opening date happened to be at the late of the quarter four. And therefore, that particular store opening revenue didn't actually contribute to the overall top line.

And regarding this new store opening, 85,000 or 90,000 square feet, what could be the split between the formats? Could be some rough number? How many Varamah Lakshmi, how many Valdi, and that?

See, at this point of time, giving an exact number on the formats could be difficult, but again, Varamah Lakshmi, Kalamandir, Valdi are the formats that will lead the expansion for us. We still don't plan to add any KLM stores. It's just going to be Varamaha Lakshmi, Kala Mandir, and Walli stores that will lead the overall expansion that we anticipate in this financial year. And we hopefully plan to pivot into new state this financial year.

Thank you. Next question is from the line of Ankit Gupta from Bamboo Capital. Please go ahead.

Thanks for the opportunity. Sir, can you give us the form-advised backup of sales for FY26 and FY25 as well?

Normally, format-wise sales are something that dissemination of the information is detrimental to the interest of the company. Broadly, Varma Lakshmi did around 2% of the overall thing. So, the component of Varma Lakshmi is increasing in the overall file. How much did you pay for VML?

How much at percentage of sales?

It's about 52%.

Okay, okay, okay. And KLM, if you can talk about, like KLM, how much decline has we seen in this financial year?

So KLM, I think the decline has been around low

single digit, around about 3% or so, with the overall decline for KLM format. And the action plan, we are working on the action plan as well. And one of the store reductions that we have done from this net retail addition, I think 9,000 square feet of KLM reduction we have done to be able to, like, you know, have improved margin and improved profitability from that store. And these are the factors why KLM has shown a decline. Otherwise, the plan for us this year, again, will be able to, like, you know, continuously change this product mix and still be able to achieve a positive SSG growth on KLM front.

Sure, sure. And sir, on, you know, on the statewide sales, if we look at it, you know, our two major states, you know, Telangana, Andhra, you know, haven't seen growth. In fact, Telangana, FY23, we did 600 crores of sales and FY26, we are at 500 crores. Andhra, 443, and we are ending this year with 474. Of course, there would have been an impact of KLM on this sales. But, you know, broadly, these two states have been significantly underperforming for us. One of the states which was doing well for us because of the new addition of stores was Tamil Nadu. But Tamil Nadu also in last two quarters, we have started seeing a bit of flattening out as well as, you know, decline in sales in Q4. And we are saying Tamil Nadu, we shall not be expecting, you know, more than 5-10% of growth for FI27 also without any store addition. So, you know, what are we doing to, you know, at least increase the sales from Telangana, Andhra? There is one thing on addition of net square feet, but our SSHG has to increase significantly for us to improve our profitability as well as, you know, see higher growth rates.

See, I do agree that, you know, Telangana has been a slower growth, and this is majorly on account of KLM. But all the other formats seem to add growth. I think even if you look at AP, it's grew by almost 15%. Karnataka grew by 27%. And these growth is driven by majorly square foot addition. But on the SSLG's fronts, particularly I think because of the KLM format, we have been seeing some dip because majority, I think more than 60% of our, 60-65% of our stores of KLM is located in Telangana. So, that's the impact of that. I think we are doing, we are having plans on the KLM front to be able to revive that to still be able to deliver a positive SSGs. Apart from just the KLM front, all the other formats are continuing to deliver a positive growth, both on the SSG front, as well as on the store retail addition front. The reason why you're not seeing a significant jump is all the new stores that are coming up are not based out of in Telangana, majorly are getting added in outside of Telangana, and those are the ones that are contributing to the overall revenue. So, again, in this year, we did add like a few stores in APN Telangana, and those stores have not had a full run of operations, and once they run, probably they will also start adding. These are only format stores.

So, if you can give me, you know, for Telangana and Andhra particularly, what would be the Vimalakshmi SSHG in this state, Telangana and Andhra?

It should be in the high single digit number.

Okay, so at least BML continues to see decent SSHG in Telangana.

Yeah, yeah, definitely. High single digit number overall is what is there and I think similar trends will be in AP Telangana as well. Yes, you're right on that.

And then on the new, you know, new square feet addition of 100,000, of course, you are saying, you know, we'll be expanding in VML, Walli and Kalam and this. But if you can give us, you know, in which states will this expansion come? So, and, you know, which new state, I think we had talked about entering Mumbai and Maharashtra particularly. So, if you can broadly give where will this new addition come and how will that have an impact on our margins given, you know, we are entering the new stage, there will be some higher advertising expenses, store opening expenses and other things which will come as we enter new states.

So far with the stores that we have in pipeline, majority of our stores are coming in Karnataka, and Kalamandir format in Karnataka is the one which is leading this expansion front. However, there is a new format that are going to come up, which is Varamaha Lakshmi silks in Andhra, and in Tamil Nadu as well, we have a few stores which are lined up with Varamaha Lakshmi silks as well. So, on the margin profile, it will not have much of an impact. Okay, Varma, Lakshmi, and Kalamandid do have a little bit of a margin profile difference, but overall, still the goal for us is to be able to maintain similar margins without having an impact overall, gross margin size. But I think there could be some more additions of the stores coming in, which I could probably be able to comment probably at H1 ending to give you a little bit more clarity in terms of the newer square feet that comes up. But at this point of time, it will be Kalamandar, and the state that will lead the expansion is Karnataka. To your question of Maharashtra and other zones, Yes, we are in advanced stages. I think probably this year you should be able to see at least one store outside of our core markets.

And so last question on, you know, our H1 outlook for this year. If you look at last year, Q1 and Q2 were pretty heavy. You know, we saw some Q1 because of Q1 FY25 having a low base, we had a very good Q1. And Q2 also because of early Diwali and the Sheta this year, we had a very good Q2. So, given the highways of, you know, first half in last financial year, how should we look at the growth for this financial year? Will we be able to grow at least 10, 15, 10, 12 percent or, you know, we'll have higher sales in the second half compared to H1 as we had seen in last year?

See, I think this year, I think H2 should lead than H1. There are a couple of reasons why. The first is, I think, Dashara is now moved back to Q3 instead of Q2. And two, there's some, in Q1, there's some slowage in terms of the Adhikamas that is going to kick in, which is going to start in probably like about four or five days and last till mid-June. And, but the point here is when you look at the wedding date calendar, right, I think the dates more or less are spread out. What I'm trying to say is like, it still does have a evenly spread out calendar. And keeping all of that in mind, whatever is maybe the slow edge that we can see in probably one month here should probably be moved to Q2. This is the kind of movement that could happen. But overall, the growth. Should be evenly spread out between H1 and H2 and this year, I am expecting that H2 should be better than H1.

In April, how much growth has we seen compared to last year?

If you're talking about April, April, I think April was about low single-digit positive for Al-Dubutra.

Okay, okay. Thank you, Michal. Thank you.

Thank you. Thank you. Next question is from the line of Nathan Jain from Fair Value Equity Advisory. Please go ahead.

Yeah, thank you for the opportunity. So, my first question is on the depreciation expense. It has gone down meaningfully this quarter. So, are we looking at smaller formats lately or with some atletalite expenses? Thank you very much. Thank you.

Thank you. It includes the, I mean, 116 AS, 116 workings. So, because some of the leases will expire, long-term leases will expire, and some new ones with a small store format will come with an extended lease period. So, it is mainly on account of the leaders as AS116 working, so that it has come down slightly. Two of the major leaders have expired. Obviously, when the lease period is extended, we have an extended lease period, and then one lease period expires, and the other kicks in the calculations. Depending on the calculations, there will be a change in that.

Right. And how do we see it in FY27? Should it go back to normal?

It will be the same for this period, and during the year, we will be contracting for further stores, no? When we contract for the further stores, the right-up use of assets, and thereby the depreciation thereon will be kicking in in that.

It's not a wound.

No, no, it's not a owned premises, no. So, everything goes by the lease, lease rentals, lease periods, and then the workings there on. So, obviously, when we are targeting 1 lakh square feet further during the year FY27, There should be an increase in the depreciation part.

And regarding the margin, you mentioned that there was an impact of the bonus payout in Q3 and Q4. Wouldn't it be possible to quantify the impact, the bonus impact?

It ranges, I think, Q4, we seem to disperse about four. 4 crores bonus. We spread it over the year, some in Q3, some in Q4, and the impact during the quarter was to the extent of about 4 crores.

So, in terms of basis points, how much would it be?

He has his points, for 10th month, he got

60 crores such not from there.

Nitin, does that answer your question?

No, I have a few more questions. Yeah, go ahead. Hello. Yeah, yeah. So, in terms of the wedding calendar, you mentioned that the dates are spread out evenly, but what about the absolute number of wedding dates throughout the year? Are they the same or is there any difference?

Okay. So, to answer your wedding dates calendar, I think that in terms of the absolute number, we have around extra days than compared to last year. So, yes, I think more than 5 to 10% of extra dates is what we have compared to last year.

Great. And regarding the revenue outlook for FY27, you mentioned that it will be better than FY26. If you could clarify, like, by 26, we have done 13% or so revenue growth. So should we be between 15 to 20% or 20 to 25%?

The reason why I'm unable to give you a number is on the SSSG front, we should be able to similar to a little bit better than last year, which is more than 3%. On the revenue growth front, From the way we stand, it's all coming down to the total retail square feet addition that we are able to do. At this point of time, we seem to have a healthy square feet opening, which is spread between Q1, Q2, Q3, Q4. Keeping that in mind is why I said that we will have a better number compared to the last year kind of a number. But the reason why I'm not able to give you a number is because I should still plan for exactly how much square feet, and that's why I said I'll probably be able to give you this number at the end of H1, where I'll have... A visibility for the number of stores that I will be able to open till March. But overall, we should, I mean, broadly, if you look at, we should be able to do much better than this year's 30 number, something in the ranges that you mentioned.

So, gold has become more expensive, like more so with the beauty hike today. So, as a result of that, should we see some part of the wedding budget that was, you know, earlier earmarked for jewellery, now moving to apparel, like sarees, etc?

The two things, I think gold is directly and indirectly also in the same range, right? Like, you know, our raw materials also do have gold pricing. I mean, gold embedded into our products. I think all the zari that we use in the products is all made from silver and gold. Again, metal price do have an impact overall. When this sort of a phenomenon happens, and generally what happens is like the product ASP also starts shooting up. Just in the last six months to seven months, we have seen some increase in the overall pricing, and that has caused... The change in the consumer behaviors. But if you look at that, generally it should yield into positive trend because gold is becoming too expensive. The silver, the alternative for gold right now are picking up with respect to the silver jewelry and other similar categories. But again, in terms of salaries also, it's the same thing. I think the budgets now have moved beyond which was about one lakh kind of a purchase. Today stands about $60,000 or $70,000 on that front. So the bill values are also decreasing into that extent. So yeah, so that's that. On a lighter note.

Yeah, Saris under the ethnic wear has no foreign exchange involved. So, we are expecting that some of the money that was discouraged to be spent on gold might come to April and particularly Saris in the wedding season. So, we are hopeful that we should have a better uptake.

By getting the money diverted.

So just my last question, you mentioned that you would want to venture in at least one new state this year. So would that lead to significant marketing expenses as you would like to establish your brand in a new state? Thank you, and that's all for me.

See, yes, it is possible, but we still would, we have budget on the advertisement sites to be still be able to run the 4% kind of a number only, which is a similar number compared to this year. So we will reposition that whenever required. But yes, when we go to a new state, it does require some noise to be made. And we'll definitely go all in when we go to a new state, get the local influencers or celebrities to be able to influence and be able to showcase that, you know, we are now present in the event. Most of our store formats also when we open, I mean, apart from certain formats like Varamaha Lashni, most of the formats whenever we open stores, we make a loud bang. So, not just during the opening, even post that also, we do that for us to be able to get the eyeballs that we could get. And that's something that we do for every store. This year, particularly on the advertisement and marketing front, irrespective of the global, I mean, the BTL activity, we started focusing on the ATL activities as well and focusing more on digital marketing and hyperlocal marketing campaigns. That is something that we will continue to do next year as well in a few of our weaker performing stores in terms of the walkings. To answer the question broadly, the advertisement expenditure should be in the same range in the same as how this year ended up in terms of percentage points.

Thank you.

Thank you. Next question is from the line of Ankit Babel from Shipkham Ventures. Please go ahead.

Good afternoon, sir. Hello, Ankit, sir. How are you? I'm fine, sir. Sir, a couple of questions. Now, considering the store addition plans, you mentioned about adding 1,000,000 square feet and a better SSG, you know, compared to FI26, what kind of EBITDA margins we can look at in FI27?

EBITDA margins, since the Varma Lakshmi component is continuously growing within the entire pile, and we should surely see an improvement in the EBITDA margin this year also, because broadly, I would say, there is a potential of improving to the extent of another... 4,000 to 5,000 square feet in Varma Lakshmi format in Tamil Nadu. So, mostly that will add to the improvement in the margin profile as such. And also, one other thing is, Of course, that is not directly related, but since the company is totally debt-free and the company has enough resources for completing the entire expansion with the internal generations, there will not be any further borrowings, and we expect that the company will not have borrowings for the next two, three years. So, all these square feet additions and improved activities should improve on a total, leave out the EBITDA margins. So, EBITDA margins is one point, and subsequent EBITDA, there is no interest cost, no major interest cost will be there. So, the difference between EBITDA margins and the PAC margins will also shrink. Thereby the PAT margins you will be able to see much better improvement than it was earlier.

Okay, because a few quarters back you had guided for around 200 basis point EBITDA improvement every year. So, we were targeting some 19% margins by FI27. At the EBITDA level. So what are the new estimates? Where do you see? Because we have not seen much improvement in FY26.

But the target would be the same. The target, I think, this year we have reached about 16 point odd, and our target with the plan of action on Varamalakshmi, and I think we should be able to reach at least 18. We have already reached together.

Yes.

16 we have already reached, so it should be possible that we should at least be in the 17 and half to 18 guaranteed.

17 and a half to 18 guaranteed. Okay. Okay. And sir, I just wanted to understand that, you know, since you mentioned that you have enough financial resources to expand your retail network. So, just wanted to understand why you are constraining you to just one lakh square feet and not adding one and a half or more lakh square feet. Is there any execution challenge or you don't see that kind of a demand in the industry? Or you feel that the balance sheet doesn't allow this? Why only one lakh and not one and a half lakh?

That is the target we have put in for the current year, but shortly we will make an effort to improve the square footage. It's not as though we try to locate a place and put up a store and do it. There is a lot of work, preliminary work that goes in to locate a store. Currently, we have a visibility of approximately 1 lakh square feet on which we have closed the entire process of identification of the stores and then the other modalities of it. That is how Mr. Bharadwaj was mentioning that at the end of H1, towards the H2, we will be able to give. So, perhaps we can give an indication that the store addition would be slightly better than this, one lakh also. It's not about the resources, but consider that we have never closed stores on account of operational issues. So, there is a lot of work, preliminary work that goes on while locating the stores, and once... That is located, obviously, we will have enough resources to put up the stores, and we should surely make an effort to go well beyond 1 lakh square feet this year.

See, adding to this, I would want to mention that it is always not about adding too much square feet. It is also about retaining and maintaining the margin profile, maintaining the EBITDA profile, maintaining the profitability profile aspect of it. I think it is fair to say at this point of time that in our industry, we command one of the highest gross margins. I mean, again, I'm talking about a saree retailer here. We are commanding the highest EBITDA margins and PAT margins. The challenge is not opening retail stores and be able to be okay with reduced margins. The challenge is to be able to identify carefully, handpick carefully, and be able to handhold these stores. And majorly, I think we have seen many in the cases in the market that too aggressive expansion also can cause consolidation of stores. Our goal is not about like opening the stores for the sake of like, you know, just because there is a healthy funds in the cash system and then be able to look at a system where we had to consolidate the stores. I think the careful approach that we have been taking and slowly start incrementing this process and continuously delivering that growth year or year is our prime focus. I think during our older conversations also, I think I mentioned the same thing. While we do have the balance sheet support to open more, I think here it all comes down to the strategy piece, where it is all about being able to maintain the similar kind of... Productivity levels, efficiencies, while still focusing on the growth. So when you try to balance this, I think it has to go with a balanced approach and neither one can take precedence and one cannot take. So that's the approach overall. But overall, if you look at YOY, we are continuously improving the retail square feet addition YOY.

Okay, so mathematically, even if I take a 15% kind of a top-line growth for next year, I mean this FI27, and you did mention about 17.5% EBITDA plus no increase in interest cost, so at least a 200 basis point improvement in net margin. So this gives me a pack of around 200 crores for FI27. So are you guys also targeting that level?

We will discuss this, I mean, May is too premature to discuss the finer aspects of this, but surely we will make an effort to improve our turnovers vis-à-vis profitabilities continuously. But the specific mathematics will be discussed in the Q2 call.

No problem. And my last question is, where do you see your inventory days in FI27 and your debt levels? We have seen slight improvement in inventory days.

Even in this year, you would have seen, despite adding 70,000 square feet, the increase in inventory was only 34 crores. So, there is a concerted effort, a constant whistle on that to improve the inventory days. But if you are following us, you would have remembered that I think second half of... 23, year 23 or 24, FY24. When we put a KPI on the inventory part, there was a huge reduction in the turnover during that quarter. So, we are broadly balancing between the inventory optimization and the sales achievement. And accordingly, we will be taking a call on that. But surely, there is an effort to continuously improve the inventory turnover.

Any targets, sir, for this year? How much improve? Because 180 days was the last year's inventory days, which is still too high. So any targets here?

It's a continuous thing. See, if I convey a KPI on this within the system, then it is taking a negative toll on the inventory part. Sorry, the sales part. So, we will make an effort to continuously improve that. If I have to broadly give you an indication. From the year FY24 to this date, if you see our balance sheet, we have improved, we have reduced the inventory per square feet by around 1000 rupees. What was around 11,533 has come down to 10,480 or so. So that's a concerted effort, but we have to get an equilibrium between the inventory days and the sale achievement that we will continuously monitor.

On the overall other side to this is, I think the format that we open, I think Kala Mandir has a different inventory requirement, KLM has a different, I mean, Varma Alexman has a different inventory requirement, and the store opening dates also does have an impact, right, at the end of the year. I think, again, talking about the inventory keys, again, coming to this decision after H1 could be a better way to look at it.

No problem, sir. Okay. All the best. Thank you so much. Thank you.

Thank you. Next question is from the line of Nilesh Doshi from Prosperity AMC. Please go ahead.

Thanks for the opportunity. Sir, many questions were asked by the earlier analysts. So, my question in connection to the earlier analysis that how the future expansion and the maintenance of the margin, so within how many days the new, once the new store is open, will match the EBITDA margin of the matured store, and within how many days they achieve the breakeven?

Or at what revenue level they will achieve the breakeven? Depending on the format, Varmalakmi format will give a payback within 8 to 9 months, whereas to reach the EBITDA margins to get the store matured, it will be approximately 1.5 years to 2 years. The maturity part we consider is that we leave out the year in which the store was established. And we leave one more year for the store to see the three cycles of a wedding date and other things and then go on to the base figure. So, obviously, for the store to mature and get established to the average EBITDA margins of the company, it will be anywhere between one and a half years to two years. And in respect of formats like Kalamandir, etc., it will be slightly higher.

Okay, sir. And sir, we are operating the different format stores, but our blended GP margin is around 40 plus percentage and EBITDA is around 12 to 13 percent. So which format is generating the higher GP and higher EBITDA compared to the other format? And are we expanding in particularly in that format or we are expanding the all formats?

They are location-based. Tamil Nadu, Varmalakshmi format is the best format which gives higher gross margins and higher EBITDA margins. Whereas we have seen Kalamandir format has a good brand value in Karnataka, particularly Bangalore and other places. So, when we have expanded in Tamil Nadu, we expanded on Varamalasmi format. Now that we are expanding in Karnataka, particularly Bangalore with Kalamandir format. So, each format will have a different matrix depending on the location where its brand value is there. Currently, Kalamandir, see, we have reached some kind of a... Reasonable size in Tamil Nadu, where the stores are in the process of maturity and improving the productivity. Now, we see a potential in Karnataka, particularly Bangalore, where the Kalamandir format is in good brand, has a brand equity. So, obviously, current expansion will include. Kalamandir format and also on a need-based Varumalakshmi format. Broadly, I think it should be about 40 to 60 VML and Kalamandir. We should implement approximately in the range of 60 VATI between Kalamandir and Varumalakshmi formats.

And so, ultimately, all formats are generating the near to equal margin, EBITDA margin, or it generates the difference between the one format to another?

No, no. Parma Lakshmi format, it will definitely give better EBITDA margins, but it cannot be put everywhere. It cannot be unlimitedly expanded. So, wherever there is a potential for that, we will be placing Varma Alakshmi format, and the other places, though Kalamandir format in Bangalore might give a lesser EBITDA margin, but it has a potential to give higher turnovers, and by volume, we will be able to achieve the absolute number of, absolute amount of the EBITDA there. So, we make a decision between, we make an analysis of these two, between the volumes and the margins, and then we take a call on that. So, that's how, this year, Kalamandir in Bangalore also is a focus area, along with Varma, Lakshmi in general.

Okay, and sir, my last question is related to inventory. How do you identify the slow-moving item? Particularly, there are many number, N number of sadis kept in the store, so there must be some slow-moving items. So, how do you tier that inventory, and how do you value the inventory at the end of the year?

Inventory, valuation is the same principle. It is the cost or market value, whichever is lower. So, valuation part, it is very much predefined. And with regard to the, you see, in SARI, we have one advantage is that it fits all size. It fits everyone, and then size is not a constraint, and then it can be stored depending on the product like cotton sari or silk sari or jargett, etc. The shelf life is much longer there. So that is, and secondly, we have many number of stores, and then we keep moving the stock from one place to other. So, depending on the suggestions that comes from out of our AI and machine tool suggestions, we have an elaborate packages built within the company where they will be continuously monitoring and the data analytics give which area, which place these kind of series are getting sold and accordingly we move the product. So, there will not be any issue on that with regard to the aging of the series and keeping the series marketable above the cost price. Only if it comes to below the cost price only, we need to be providing anything for that. And in respect of saris, we also have the provision of converting them into half saris or baby frogs, etc. And since we have other formats like Kala Mandir and KLM where these products can be put. We will be putting these things there, and then we ensure that each product is fully sold in whatever form, and then the expected margin out of those product is realized.

Thank you. Thank you. That's all from my side.

Thank you, sir.

Ladies and gentlemen, we will take that as the last question for today. And I'll have the conference back to Mr. Bharatwaj Rajamadu for closing comments. Over to you, sir.

Thank you, sir. Thank you again for joining today. I think we had a good year, 25-26, and we look forward to having a healthy year, 26-27, and looking forward to connecting you back at our Q1 results. Thank you, everybody, for taking time and joining today. Thank you so much. Thank you.

Thank you very much. On behalf of CITES, Kalamandir Limited, that concludes the conference. Thank you all for joining us today, and you may now disconnect your lines.