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Hyvää huomioon ja välitämme Q1-investorin puolelle FLS. Minä olen Toni Laaksonen ja tänään CFO Roland Andersen. Aloitamme Q1-luvun huomioon. Ensimmäisenä mennään markkinoille ja komersiallisille huomioon. Yhteisön ja PCV-kaitsella nähtiin todella kuvaa kehitystä organiikaisemme. Tällaisiin koulutuksissa yhdessä yhdessä yhdessä yhdessä yhdessä yhdessä. Yhteisöiden yhdessä yhdessä yhdessä 19% organiikaisemme yhdessä yhdessä ja PCV 16%. Tämä on erittäin kuva kehitys, joka tarkoittaa, että markkattavuus tuntuu huomioon. Sitten näemme erilainen kehitys. Markkattavuus on enemmän suomalaisuutta. Emme saaneet ympäristöä. Odotuus järjestelmällä järjestelmällä järjestelmällä, mutta hieman markkattavuus tuntuu huomioon. Sitten, kun mennään tilanteeseen, tilanteeseen tilanteeseen tilanteeseen organikaisesti 7 % ja se oli liittynyt tämän päivän ja tämän päivän järjestelmällä järjestelmällä. Profitavillisuudesta nähtiin positiivinen kehitys järjestelmällä Q1-25, joten EBITDA-margin järjestelmällä järjestelmällä ja se oli 15,2 % ja se oli alueellisemme finansiivisemme tästä vuonna. Pohdalla on nähdä satustavuuden kehittämisen kehittämisen kehittäminen. Pohdalla on kehittämisen kehittämisen kehittämisen kehittämisen kehittämisen kehittämisen kehittämisen. Se on ollut yhdessä hyötyyppäinen vaikutus. Kuten strategisia ja korporatitutuvat huomioon uudestaan ja yhdessä huomioon uudestaan. Pohdalla seuraava korporatiohdon kutsuttiin. ja teimme kasvotuskustelua, ja se oli ollut yksi yleinen yleinen. Tällöin olemme uudet uudet järjestelmät, kun me olemme uuden järjestelmät ja uuden periaatun järjestelmien kehittämiseen. Tällöin yleinen yleinen yleinen, joka on kyllä yleistä tuotuksen aktiivitseista ja jollain markkinoista, että me olemme one repeat order from South Asia for one iron ore beneficiation project and we were awarded this in May 2026. So good development over there and reflects that there are certain underlying aktivitietoja myös innollisuuksia. Kiitos. Sitten aiemmin uusia onnistuvaa keskustelua, jota meillä on potensiallinen non-komplianteeseen liittyen sanktioihin. Kuten annunutin jälkeen, olemme identiteetet potensiallinen sanktioihin liittyen sanktioihin liittyen sanktioihin. Tämä on seuraavaksi onnistuvaa keskustelua, ja se on liittyen pre-kontrakti-tender-materiaaleja, joita olemme suunnitelleet ylimitettävä number of projects in Kazakhstan. And the cases only related to the tender materials, we have not signed any agreements, we have not delivered any equipment or services to these customers, and these customer cases are not part of our sales funnel, financial forecasts, and neither are estimates for this year. He eivät eivät eivät eivät eivät eivät eivät eivät eivät eivät eivät eivät eivät eivät eivät eivät. Olemme uudistuneet USA- ja Tänis-autoriteet siitä, että prosessi on ympäristöä. Initiaalinen informaatio on ollut ympäristöä, koska haluamme olla ympäristöjä ja ympäristöjä. keskusteluun ja sitten sitten tehdään seuraavaksi keskustelua keskustelua keskustelua. Tällöin seuraavaksi voidaan yhdessä yhdessä ja yhdessä keskustelua keskustelua prosessamme ja risiko-ohjelman prosessamme globaalissa. Ja haluamme yhdessä, että voidaan yhdessä näyttää näitä asioita tapahtumista tulevaisuudessa. Sitten näkökulmastamme näkivät keskusteluita uudelleen. Positivinen kehitys ja Skoop-3-luvustamme. Mutta sitten yksi negatiivinen hyöntekijä pitäisi sanoa, että keskusteluun näkökulmastamme näkökulmastamme. Tämä on seuraavaksi jotain, jota haluaisimme nähdä. näkökulmastamme. Hyvää on tärkeä fokussuunnitelmaa meille tulevaisuudessa ja viimeisimme hyväämme hyväämme hyväämme, prosessamme ja poliisamme jälkeen. Tällä tavalla markkinoinnat ovat melkein ympäristöjä koko ajan vuonna Q1. Ja kuten sanoin, näemme viimeinen kehitys- ja PCV-yhteisemme koko markkinoinnin kehitys- ja koko ajan vuonna Q4. Q4 näemme viimeinen kehitys- ja koko ajan vuonna Q3. ja sillä tämä positive momentum with the brownfield sites is continuing. Most of the miners are investing in their brownfield operations, which is then visible with our service and PCV business line. Then on the other hand with the products, the market was relatively soft still in Q1. So no major changes over there. But then as the commodity prices are at the high level, Esimerkiksi koulu ja koulu. Se tarkoittaa, että kouluja ovat kiinnostuneet investointi-aktiviteet, vaikka kouluvun jälkeen, ja jotenkin suunnitelma voisi tulla jälkeen jälkeen tai jälkeen jälkeen. Tämä oli myös näyttänyt nyt, kun viimeistimme yhdessä ensimmäisen jälkeen kouluvun projektiin. Sitten jatkuvasti asioihin. Aloitetaan koulutuksia. Kuten puhuttiin, koulutusvaiheessa on todella kuva kehitys. Organiallinen koulutus oli todella kuva kehitys. Mutta sitten koulutusvaiheessa kehitys oli negatiivinen. Se oli ensimmäisenä koulutusvaiheessa koulutusvaiheessa. Koulutusvaiheessa koulutusvaiheessa. kohdalla ja tietysti sitten emme kokemuksia kokemuksia kokemuksia kokemuksia, joka oli kokemuksia kokemuksia. Ja sitten on tosiaan kokemuksia, ja myös hyvän liittyvät asioita, jotka ovat vaikuttaneet liittyvät liittyvät ja liittyvät liittyvät. Mutta kaikki seuraavaksi näemme, että positiivinen kehitys ja kiinnostamme on sitten reventoinen liittyvä viime vuonna. Eli emme näe mitään suurta asioita. Kun tuntuu koko ajan, niin koko ajan oli koko ajan koko ajan. Se oli huomioon koko ajan. Normaalisessa koko ajan oli koko ajan. Se oli koko ajan. related things impacted the Q1 revenue and margin level and as so as well that the input cost inflation which we were seeing but all in all that the normal level which we have had for the service business line which is 19 to 20 percent EBITDA we expect that to continue in the coming in coming quarter this was not a big surprise to us that what was the profitability level. So this was in line with our budgeted figures. Then on the product side, Q1 was low as described previously, so order intake wise we were down. Myös would be the revenue, and revenue of course is something that we can estimate pretty accurately based on last year's like order intake. So the bookings continued in line with our expectations. From the order intake point of view, we saw this up tick already in May with that one booking. ja mielentämme, että suunnitelma on niin, että esimerkiksi kohdalla ja kohdalla projektiin pitäisi nähdä jotain hyödyllistä kehitystä tästä vuotta. Sitten kunnollisuuden margina nähtiin positiivinen muutoksia. Olemme praktikallisesti kunnollisuuden perusteella yhdessä. Yksi erittäin vaikutus oli, että tällaisia projektiin kokemuksia oli tapahtunut, ja joten olemme voineet saada kokemuksia näihin projekteihin, ja se otettiin positiivinen momentum. But we have been also doing cost initiatives to take the cost level down so that it's in line with the current revenue level and that that's helping us then from the profitability point of view. So we can be happy with this development with our margin on the product side. Then with PCV, the strong development continued. So like said, significant auto intake growth. We were definitely gaining some market share with our pumps, cyclones and valves when comparing to the piers. Then with revenue, the development was stable and also with this business line, the bookings were done. in maturity during the back end of the quarter, so we expect that the following quarters will be a bit better than from the revenue point of view and we should see solid performance from the business line. Marginalaisessa PCV oli kuitenkin hyvin kuvaa, joten se jatkuu samaa ympäristöä ympäristöä. Me oltiin todella hyviä siitä, joten ei ole asioita täällä. Positivinen ympäristö. Katsotaan, että samanlaista uusia jatkuva jatkuva jatkuva jatkuva jatkuva jatkuva.
Okay, thank you for that, Toni. So, the financial performance overview here for Q1. An order intake of $3.9 billion, a revenue a little less than $3.3 billion. A healthy gross profit and obviously a very large item here, operating net income, which is predominantly the sale of our former head office in Valby in Copenhagen. And running through the P&L, that of course leaves us with a relatively high profit for the period of 985 million Danish kroner. The gross margin for the quarter remains healthy. This is predominantly the mix in a period where the product business haven't picked up in revenue yet. And the service business line and our PC&V business is 80% or plus of our revenue stream, healthy gross margin. And an absolute number lower or lower than last year, predominantly driven by the nominal revenue level. Our next year and a cost continue to decline slowly but surely. So lower Q&Q, but also lower than the same quarter last year. That is a significant result from our simplification exercise and also the change to our new corporate model that now starts to sit more steady in the numbers. The adjusted EBITDA margin is improving to 15.2 compared to the same quarter last year on an adjusted basis. And the nominal number here, of course, impacted by the sale of the Valby office. Networking capital is driven up this quarter predominantly by inventories. So inventories from the relatively high order intake in both service business line and the pump business. There's a bit of commodity inflation in that as well, and the fact that the orders were back in load, then the Q01 means it now sits in inventories and will be delivered over the remaining part of the year. And all this needs to a solid cash flow for the quarter, traditionally a relatively low cash flow quarter. But cleaned for the Valby sale a cash flow from operating activities of 103 million Danish kroner. This means that our leverage continues to be low, 0.6x, and that leaves us ample room to do the M&A that we want to do as we move forward. Our financial guidance for 26 is maintained and that means an organic revenue growth of minus 1% to plus 4% for the company and an adjusted EBITDA margin of 15.5% to 16.5% and we are on track to deliver on that. The revenue bridge, a bit more flavor underlying how to get to minus one to plus four percent. Service business line unchanged, expected to deliver two to five percent organic growth. The product business line in revenue terms minus five to minus fifteen percent of organic growth. And the pump business PCNV will deliver four to seven percent organic growth for the full year. If we then apply the forex rates from the 11th of May for the remainder of the year, by coincidence our organic growth will equal our reported growth for the full year 2026. And the EBITDA margin bridge here, not so much here. The adjusting items for our PCM and ERP implementation is about a percentage point. And other operating income here is the sale of our Valby office that makes up the difference between the adjusted EBITDA margin and the fully forecasted EBITDA margin. Then we are ready to invite all of you to Capital Markets Day. It will be on the 17th of November. And we have decided to welcome you all to our new headquarter offices in Copenhagen, where we think we can host most of you guys. So we are looking very much forward to that event. And that will be again on the 17th of November, 2026. And with that, I think we can move to Q&A.
Thank you, sir. We will now begin the question and answer session. To ask a question, you may press star and then one on your telephone keypad. If at any time your question has been addressed and you would like to withdraw your question, please press star and then two. Again, if you would like to ask a question, please press star and then one now. The first question we have comes from Chetsana of J.P. Morgan. Please go ahead.
Good morning, Tony and Roland. Thank you for taking my questions. I have three, please, but I'll take them one by one. So the first one is just on the service margin. You previously spoke about this 19% to 20% range, so I guess the 16.6% margin was a bit surprising. Just wanted a bit more color on what drove that big shift and mix. Was it some kind of legacy issue or more consumables? Just trying to understand the swing in margin outside the range and the confidence you have to return back to that range in subsequent quarters. Thank you.
Kiitos kysymyksiä, joten on todella hyvä kysymys. Tervisemargin oli melkein täysin suunnitelmiksi tästä vuonna, ja seuraavallisemme modeliksi. Tervetulojen jälkeen jälkeen jälkeen jälkeen jälkeen jälkeen jälkeen jälkeen jälkeen jälkeen jälkeen jälkeen jälkeen, kun olemme tehneet finansiallisen jälkeen. Tämä oli modelilla, ja näemme, että EBITTA-margin, jota olemme promistaneet markkinoille, 19-20, tulee olemaan asioita.
Okay, thank you. And then my second question is just on the product margin. Here you've talked about the kind of reversal of provisions which supported the margin outside of the cost initiatives that you've taken. What would the margin have been excluding this impact, please? Or maybe another way to phrase it, maybe what's the breakeven rate now? Is it close to the $3 billion rate or $4 billion? Thank you.
Yeah, so the releases, they are not that much, 25, maybe 30 million. So it positively impacts the margin by a 5 percentage point or so. Was there a second part of the question?
I was just going to ask you what the break-even rate is, 3 billion or 4 billion.
Yeah, so the break-even rate that we're planning for coming out of this year will be a level of 2.8 to 3 billion.
Okay, very clear. My final question is just on service orders. I believe that some of the consumable products that you sell have a bit of tungsten in it. So I was just going to ask if there's any pull-forward demand that you saw in the service orders numbers in the quarter.
Joten sinä olet oikein, että meillä on Tungsteniä yhdessä. Kyseessä tarpeeksi on tarkoitettu. Eli tarpeeksi on tarpeeksi tarpeeksi, kun on tarpeeksi tarpeeksi. Tätä olemme ajatelleet. Tungsteniä tarpeeksi oli jotain tarpeeksi, Tungsten markkinoilla, jossa koulutukset haluivat katsotaan vähän enemmän kohdassa Q1, joka katsottui positiivisesti katsottamme. But the impact was not major Very clear.
Thank you so much.
Thank you. The next question we have comes from Edward Hussey of UBS. Please go ahead.
Hi, guys. Thanks for taking my questions. Maybe just a couple from me. So first of all, as you alluded to, obviously a very strong book to build in PCV and service. Do you mind just running through the phasing of deliveries through the year? I mean, should we expect a sharp revenue pickup in Q2 or should it be a bit more towards the back end of the year?
Thank you for that, Ed. So I think you need to expect that it will pick up slowly throughout the year and it will be back-end loaded just like last year. So it will pick up in Q2, come over Q3 and Q4, expectantly the high quarter once again.
And then maybe just touching on networking gaps in the build-up there. Do you mind just kind of fleshing out exactly where networking gaps have been building up?
Yeah, so that's predominantly on the inventories. So the inventories have been building up, and they will also run off slowly throughout the remainder of the year as we deliver the orders and the year will be back-end loaded. So it's been building up predominantly from the orders in the service business line and in the pump business line. There's an element of commodity inflation, there's an element of pricing from tungsten in that number, and it will run off slowly over the course of the year.
Okay, perfect.
Thank you. The next question we have comes from Christian Tinderaker, off Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.
Morning, Tony. Morning, Roland. Thanks for the time. You mentioned in the report that you've seen some clear market share gains in PCV. I wonder whether you can add some color there in terms of whether there's any specific regional skew in those share gains or indeed across the three product areas, PC and V, whether there's any notable difference. Any color here would be most appreciated.
Okei, todella hyvä. PCV-lopuolella on tärkeää, että mitä näyttävät näyttävät, ja seuraavaksi näyttävät, joita näemme näyttävät, että globaaliin ympäristöön ja ympäristöön me olemme tehneet markkinoinnin. Se on erittäväinen, kun nähdään autointakirjoitamme. We don't have any specific geographical areas where we see... better or worse like development, so it's overall throughout the product categories and throughout the countries where we operate.
And just how do we think about your pricing in this segment as well, interested in the trends on pricing for PCV?
So from the pricing point of view, what we can say is that when you look into the margins, the margins have been solid quarter by quarter. So no negative development there. So we are not using the price as the main argument to win business for us.
And then maybe finally just on margins, and apologies, Tony, because I know this was the first question, but I didn't quite follow the answer. You're saying that service margins were in line with budget, and I understand you said revenue weakness brought that down. Are you saying that effectively gross margins on the revenues delivered were in line with your expectations? ja että se oli tärkeintä tärkeää? Tai on se myös jotain, kuten servicemixin, kun ajattelimme konsumabuolista, modernisaatioista ja asioista? En tiedä sitä.
Kurss-margin ja EBITA olivat huomioon. Olemme huomioon vähän loppuun kohdassa servicemme. yksityksestä. Nämä yksitykset, joita olemme tehneet Q4 yhdessä päivänä. Ja tiedämme, että olemme yksitykset Q2 ja Q3. Tämä oli seuraavaksi modelimme, mitä olemme kehittämään tämän vuoden. Joten yksitykset ja yksitykset oli aika paljon näkökulmastamme. Ja olemme, että se vaikuttaa marginaamme. ja se oli nyt näyttävä näkökulmasta, mutta... even though Q1 was slower as expected the whole year has been developed so that we are reaching that 19-20% level. So despite this Q1 we should be in a solid place to deliver the results in the end of this year. Then, of course, we knew the margin profile of the deliveries for Q1. And this was also in line with our expectation, so no big surprises there. so we knew that this is the level we would be seeing.
Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, just a reminder, if you would like to ask a question today, please press star and then one now. The next question we have comes from Tor Fangman of Bank of America. Please go ahead.
Thank you. Good afternoon. Thank you for taking my question. Two questions here from my side. First is a follow-up on the PC&B where you're taking market share. Could you let us know if you're taking market share, you think from like smaller players, third-party local players, or is it something where you are also taking business away from the large players such as we and so that's a concern. Thank you.
Kuten näemme markkinoilla on, että olemme tehneet markkinoinnin ympäristöä. Olemme eteenpäin yrityksiä, joilla olemme tehneet markkinoinnin ympäristöä. Olemme ympäristöäneet ovat, että se on ympäristöä ja ympäristöä. Olemme nähneet tätä kuvaa kehittämistä PCVin ympäristöä.
Okay, so just to clarify, that you go into the mine and you're like replacing the weird equipment for example, but it's just like rather you're just growing faster than you did.
Yes, correct. So that's one way for us to grow that we are selling to the brownfield sites and replacing the competitors' pumps or valves or cyclones. So that's one significant way for us to gain market share.
Understood, thank you. And then just secondly, one follow-up on the reversals in the product segment. I mean, it seems like you're performing better than you would have initially expected here. So could we see more of these reversals come through in the coming quarters of this relay one-off in Q1?
Yeah, so these reversals, it's not a reversal for the reversal, right? We will close out the projects when they are ready to close out. And this was part of the plan. But we're just calling it out because we've been talking about us. ...getting the business line back in black on a run-rate basis. And we just want to call out that's not the case for this quarter. So there may be a few others of this nature and then we'll call it out. But the fact remains that we expect only by Q4 to have it back in black numbers on a run-rate basis.
Understood. Thank you.
Thank you. The next question we have comes from Lars Tothholm of T&B Connie. Please go ahead.
Yes, thank you. A couple of questions here. First on your, what do you say, somewhat muted comments on market activity, which comes on the back of a booktube of 1.2 in both service and PVNC. And that just surprises me a little bit. So is this just your normal conservatism, or have you in fact seen any... Indications of slowdown, maybe in April, maybe there's a function of what goes on in the Middle East. That would be my first question.
Yeah, starting from the Middle East. So for us, the market in the Middle East is not a significant one. So that does not have any major impact on us. Then with both service business line and...
No, that I understand. I was not thinking... I was more thinking maybe it inflects decision-making among your customers?
No, no, not really. So with Service Business Line and BCV, we are mainly selling to the Brownfield existing mine sites and all those sites are heavily... utilitettiin ja että he ovat toimittaneet koko ajan ja he ovat kontinuullisesti investoittaneet, jotta toimittaneet koko ajan. Tämä uusikin näemme täytyy nähdä meidän koulutus- ja PCV-lain ja sitten myös se, että me olemme tehneet kansainvälinen koulutus- ja PCV-lain koulutus-lain Koulutus-lain Q1 oli vielä hankalaa, mutta ajattelimme, että aktiviteilijärjestelmä voisi yhdessä tämän vuoksi ja jälkeen vuoksi jälkeen yhdessä onnistunut aktiiviteilijärjestelmät, joita näemme pelkästään.
But still, when I read your comments to the demand outlook in service, You're still talking about hesitation from customers?
That's related to the products market. So with the service side...
I think you use the phrase in services.
With services and PC we say that the market continues to be stable or active. And with the products we see some softness.
Se on hyvä, niin se on vain minun. Se on liittyy mitä tapahtuu noin Middle East. mutta aloittamme nähdä yhdessä aloittaminen kohdallisuudesta, joita pitäisi säädä.
Eli ei ole erittäin kohdallisuudesta ja asioita kohdallisuudesta, joten emme nähneet kohdallisuudesta kohdallisuudesta. Tietysti kohdallisuudesta on vähän hieman kuin se olisi ollut, joten se voisi kohdalla logistikaisuudesta, mutta se ei ole erittäin kohdallisuudesta.
Then I have another question, and I know, of course, this happened on somebody else's watch, but if you look at Eiffel Smith, you have done very impressive right-sizing over the years, but now we have an issue with order backlog in products in Q3 and also a sanction issue. Is there any risk that right-sizing has been... ...taken too fast, or maybe you're wrong-sized, that your overhead functions are not sufficient to, what we say, to deal with the magnitude of your activities?
No, we are not seeing anything like this. Olemme näkökulmasta näkökulmasta, että esimerkiksi kansainvälisellä kansainvälisellä kansainvälisellä oli identitettävä meidän ehtävänsä. Se on myös näyttänyt, että jos jotain tapahtuu, meidän syytämme ja prosessamme toimivat erittäin ja voimme tukata asioita. Tällä jälkeen ei ole asioita. Tällä jälkeen, me olemme tehneet up with our delivery schedule so we don't have anything major ongoing with our supply chains so that we would see any red flags over there so we have been keeping up with the targeted delivery timeline so in that sense that the organization should be at the right level at the very moment Very clear.
One final question from me, that's more if you can give any news update on your M&A pipeline. I think after Q4 you indicated that you had some active discussions which might lead to something before the end of the year. I just wonder if that has changed or is it the same?
Joo, me voimme kehittää M&A-pipelijänä, ja mitä tapahtuu on, että kunnossa olemme uuden strategiimme, ja tietysti M&A-kaiset olisivat liittyneet strategiin, ja tietysti me haluamme aloittaa aloittamme joitain yhdessä yhdessä, ja esim. kun aloittamme uuden jälkeen-pipelijänä. Meillä on aiemmin aktiivisuuksia yhdessä ja toivottavasti yhdessä yhdessä tulevaisuudessa jälkeen yhdessä.
Fantastic. Thank you. Thank you very much for taking my questions.
Thank you.
Thank you, sir. The next question we have comes from Vlad Sergejewski of Barclays PLC. Please go ahead.
Gentlemen, good morning. Thank you very much for taking the time. Two questions. First one on service. I know you are saying service margin was in line with your expectation. But I think it was certainly below market expectations. So my question is, what do we as a market have underestimated? Have we underestimated the volatility of this business line from quarter to quarter? And going forward, there will be quarters with big swings and margins up and down in service? Or there was something very exceptional about this quarter? And we should hope for a more consistent performance from now onwards.
Yeah, so thank you for that, Vlad. So the predominant factor why the margin was down is because the revenue level was low. Q1 is a seasonally low quarter, and this in particular. And then in combination with a few bigger orders, a little bit of inflation and so on, the margin was slightly suppressed. So going forward, you can count on the service business line being 19 to 20 percent margin business. There'll be slight swings, not big swings around that, and we'll steer that business through with that margin number. So this quarter, it was a matter of leverage.
I understood that's helpful. If I can ask about market share gains and pumps, that's obviously a more poisty topic over here. Do you see or have any of your proprietary data that confirms market share gains, or are you just comparing your growth to public disclosure of competitors, including we are grouped to make this conclusion? Also, what are you doing differently to your competitors to win in this market? And is your ambition to continue gaining share from here?
Ja niin, miten näemme situatio on, että me näemme kontinuullisesti installaamme kun menemme nämä huoneet. Ja based on siitä data, näemme, että meidän pitäisi olla saada markkannuksia. Ja kuten sanoin, aiemmin palkit, syklonit ja valkit ovat jatkuvasti brownfieldissa. esittävät operatioita, esittävät he tekevät valitettavasti yleensä perusteella. Meillä on yleensä valitettavasti yleensä perusteella ja se on yleensä perusteella ja ei ole valitettavasti valitettavasti. Eli me venevät perusteella teknisellisen perusteella. Ja tietysti, kun otetaan enemmän installapaisuja, se impactaa positiivisesti järjestelmällä tai PCV-kaita.
Thank you very much. Can I just clarify this last point? Do you believe and do you think that indeed FLS now has superior technical offering in pumps compared to some major competitors?
Tietysti, kuten sanoin, meillä on kuitenkin tärkeää, kun vettämme Brownfieldissa, ja me olemme veneet siitä. Ja kuitenkin on tietoja teknisiä ympäristöjä, joita kuljettaisivat, koska me olemme tehneet niin paljon aloittaa.
Thank you very much. That's very clear.
Thank you, Sol. The next question we have comes from David Farrell of Jefferies. Please go ahead.
Hi. Thanks very much for taking my question. I've only got one, and I contradict one of the previous questions. I actually thought you sounded more positive in terms of the evolution of order intake going forward. I wondered to what degree that is triggered by the levels of order intake we're seeing from the upstream competitors. I think I'm right in the same. Historically and civically, you'd expect a six- to nine-month lag between the likes of Repiroc and Stamvik, securing orders and then that's going through downstream. Is that fair and if that theory is correct, in reality, what's driving that? Is that more raw is going to get produced, which then needs to be crushed and grind, et cetera, or what are the exact dynamics?
Jep, so you are right there that the upstream players are seeing the auto intake uptick first and of course it's easier to invest in the mobile equipment than in the processing plants and gain the efficiencies from there because with the processing plants it takes more time to configurate the new setup and then also implement the greenfield operations. Mutta näemme nyt, että up-stream-pailijat otetaan enemmän kohdetta, joka tarkoittaa positiivinen momentum. Mutta se voi olla enemmän kuin yksi vuonna, jolloin näemme seurauksia. Mutta kyseessä markkino on aloitettu jo up-stream-pailijat, ja olemme nähneet sitä. And the engineering activity on our side is gaining momentum, which indicates that in the back end of this year or early next year, we should also see positive movement with our products business line.
Kiitos.
Thank you. Just a final reminder, if you would like to ask a question, please press star and then one now. We have a follow-up question from Christian Indereka of Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.
Thanks, gentlemen, for fitting in my follow-up. I just want to come back on the shipment phasing issues in the revenue lines and wonder specifically if there was any impact from delayed deliveries. As a function of the events in the Middle East, or perhaps as a separate point, there's been a number of specific mine site issues. Indonesia, Boladin, I think, as well, has had some challenges. Yeah, any specific site issues would be helpful to understand.
No no specific site issues as such from our perspective and the Middle East has not impacted on our deliveries as such so as mentioned previously in the call the Middle East market is not a big one for us and then on the other hand we don't have any any suppliers any significant suppliers in that territory and most the our deliveries are then coming from from other countries to our main markets. So no significant issues there. And then with the mine sites... On jotain maistuksia, jotka ovat suoraan esimerkiksi Crashberg, mutta sitten kunnossa katsotaan kautta myös serviseita, jotka ovat luonnistumisemme näkökulmasta.
Very interesting, thank you.
Thank you. The final question we have comes from Klaus Kahl of NYCredits. Please go ahead.
Yes, hello. Klaus Kahl from NewCredit. Olen, a question related to your cash flow. Could you update us on your thoughts about cash flow from operations and investments, et cetera? That would be my first question.
So normally we guide you a bit on where we think CFFO is going. So the thinking is that the CFFO for the year will be up to 1 billion. So that was a short answer.
And what?
Yeah, go ahead Klaus.
Yeah, and what about your CAPEX level?
CAPEX level is around 3% of our revenue.
Okay. And then in this regard, you have announced that you most likely would start a share buyback here in Q2. But do you see financial room for both making a share buyback and at the same time perhaps carrying out M&A in the second half of the year?
Yeah, we do. We think we can do both. So there's no change in our stance on that.
Thank you very much.
Thank you, sir. Ladies and gentlemen, there are no further questions on the conference. I will now hand back to management for any closing remarks. Please go ahead.
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16:21 to 44:48 · One card per analyst, follow-ups included. Each plays from its start, and the one being answered is marked.
Good morning, Tony and Roland. Thank you for taking my questions. I have three, please, but I'll take them one by one. So the first one is just on the service margin. You previously spoke about this 19% to 20% range, so I guess the 16.6% margin was a bit surprising. Just wanted a bit more color on what drove that big…
Toni Laaksonen: Kiitos kysymyksiä, joten on todella hyvä kysymys. Tervisemargin oli melkein täysin suunnitelmiksi tästä vuonna, ja seuraavallisemme modeliksi. Tervetulojen jälkeen jälkeen jälkeen jälkeen jälkeen jälkeen jälkeen jälkeen jälkeen jälkeen jälkeen jälkeen jälkeen…
Also speaking: Roland Andersen
Hi, guys. Thanks for taking my questions. Maybe just a couple from me. So first of all, as you alluded to, obviously a very strong book to build in PCV and service. Do you mind just running through the phasing of deliveries through the year? I mean, should we expect a sharp revenue pickup in Q2 or should it be a bit…
Roland Andersen: Thank you for that, Ed. So I think you need to expect that it will pick up slowly throughout the year and it will be back-end loaded just like last year. So it will pick up in Q2, come over Q3 and Q4, expectantly the high quarter once again.
Morning, Tony. Morning, Roland. Thanks for the time. You mentioned in the report that you've seen some clear market share gains in PCV. I wonder whether you can add some color there in terms of whether there's any specific regional skew in those share gains or indeed across the three product areas, PC and V, whether…
Toni Laaksonen: Okei, todella hyvä. PCV-lopuolella on tärkeää, että mitä näyttävät näyttävät, ja seuraavaksi näyttävät, joita näemme näyttävät, että globaaliin ympäristöön ja ympäristöön me olemme tehneet markkinoinnin. Se on erittäväinen, kun nähdään autointakirjoitamme. We…
Thank you. Good afternoon. Thank you for taking my question. Two questions here from my side. First is a follow-up on the PC&B where you're taking market share. Could you let us know if you're taking market share, you think from like smaller players, third-party local players, or is it something where you are also…
Toni Laaksonen: Kuten näemme markkinoilla on, että olemme tehneet markkinoinnin ympäristöä. Olemme eteenpäin yrityksiä, joilla olemme tehneet markkinoinnin ympäristöä. Olemme ympäristöäneet ovat, että se on ympäristöä ja ympäristöä. Olemme nähneet tätä kuvaa kehittämistä…
Also speaking: Roland Andersen
Yes, thank you. A couple of questions here. First on your, what do you say, somewhat muted comments on market activity, which comes on the back of a booktube of 1.2 in both service and PVNC. And that just surprises me a little bit. So is this just your normal conservatism, or have you in fact seen any... Indications of…
Toni Laaksonen: Yeah, starting from the Middle East. So for us, the market in the Middle East is not a significant one. So that does not have any major impact on us. Then with both service business line and...
Gentlemen, good morning. Thank you very much for taking the time. Two questions. First one on service. I know you are saying service margin was in line with your expectation. But I think it was certainly below market expectations. So my question is, what do we as a market have underestimated? Have we underestimated the…
Roland Andersen: Yeah, so thank you for that, Vlad. So the predominant factor why the margin was down is because the revenue level was low. Q1 is a seasonally low quarter, and this in particular. And then in combination with a few bigger orders, a little bit of inflation and…
Also speaking: Toni Laaksonen
Hi. Thanks very much for taking my question. I've only got one, and I contradict one of the previous questions. I actually thought you sounded more positive in terms of the evolution of order intake going forward. I wondered to what degree that is triggered by the levels of order intake we're seeing from the upstream…
Toni Laaksonen: Jep, so you are right there that the upstream players are seeing the auto intake uptick first and of course it's easier to invest in the mobile equipment than in the processing plants and gain the efficiencies from there because with the processing plants it…
Kiitos.
Thanks, gentlemen, for fitting in my follow-up. I just want to come back on the shipment phasing issues in the revenue lines and wonder specifically if there was any impact from delayed deliveries. As a function of the events in the Middle East, or perhaps as a separate point, there's been a number of specific mine…
Toni Laaksonen: No no specific site issues as such from our perspective and the Middle East has not impacted on our deliveries as such so as mentioned previously in the call the Middle East market is not a big one for us and then on the other hand we don't have any any…
Yes, hello. Klaus Kahl from NewCredit. Olen, a question related to your cash flow. Could you update us on your thoughts about cash flow from operations and investments, et cetera? That would be my first question.
Roland Andersen: So normally we guide you a bit on where we think CFFO is going. So the thinking is that the CFFO for the year will be up to 1 billion. So that was a short answer.
Also speaking: Toni Laaksonen